Random thoughts- are we doing this wrong?

[pinkmandy]

Years ago I was into network marketing. I read so many books on leadership, learned about the law of attraction, yadda yadda. I was just thinking- we are doing this wrong.

We are wasting time trying to wake up the entire country. Can't be done. We are expending valuable energy trying to "convince" others and that is counterproductive to our cause. People don't like to be "convinced". Instead, we should simply focus our energy and lead by example. Have so much fun doing it, be so full of life and energy that others will come to us wanting to know "our secret". That's how it works. You make people want what you have, you can't just convince them they want it. So maybe we should be making grand plans together (including massive relocations!) and freaking ignore everyone else. Let them come to us because they sense our energy and want in our club.

What do you all think? Let's just forget the MSM, forget the sheep, plan OUR revolution, and get busy. Thoughts?

[nodope0695]

Years ago I was into network marketing. I read so many books on leadership, learned about the law of attraction, yadda yadda. I was just thinking- we are doing this wrong.

We are wasting time trying to wake up the entire country. Can't be done. We are expending valuable energy trying to "convince" others and that is counterproductive to our cause. People don't like to be "convinced". Instead, we should simply focus our energy and lead by example. Have so much fun doing it, be so full of life and energy that others will come to us wanting to know "our secret". That's how it works. You make people want what you have, you can't just convince them they want it. So maybe we should be making grand plans together (including massive relocations!) and freaking ignore everyone else. Let them come to us because they sense our energy and want in our club.

What do you all think? Let's just forget the MSM, forget the sheep, plan OUR revolution, and get busy. Thoughts?


If the campaign would have spent our money wisely, and demanded equal airtime on the networks, perhaps word would have spread better.

[uncollapse]

are you suggesting to form a mass orgy group?

[EvilNight]

Relax, man. We're doing that too. I think we could focus on it a little more, perhaps, than we do. Once the pressure of the election is off (one way or another) it'll be less frantic.

We're all new at this! Competence will come with time. We're not going anywhere.

[pinkmandy]

Oh, I think we've done awesome considering we are mostly beginners! We've accomplished so much! At the same time, though, it seems there's a lot of misdirected energy. If we could just round up that energy (not in FEMA camps!), if we could just "consolidate" it into something much bigger. I'm not sure where I'm going with this. ;) I just feel like there's something bigger we should all be doing and I don't know what that is, something that would draw the attention, would secure our rights, a way to carry on the revolution WHILE protecting ourselves from what's to come. The revolution is going to take YEARS. Our country, our economy don't have years. I feel very strongly that we should not be spread out across the country. We have strength in numbers and we need to come together.

And yes I'm a delegate and I was also a precinct leader. So let's not go there, that's not what I mean (unless you aren't a delegate then you should be!) :)

[GoPaul08]

Relax, man. We're doing that too. I think we could focus on it a little more, perhaps, than we do. Once the pressure of the election is off (one way or another) it'll be less frantic.

We're all new at this! Competence will come with time. We're not going anywhere.



I think that is the point he is trying to make. the pressure of the election IS off. Even Ron Paul himself knows it. He is NOT trying to win the nomination anymore.

In fact, if Ron Paul ever came to this site and read the threads about lying as delegates to try to get him nominated at this point, he would be EXTREMELY upset and would tell you to stop. Becuae it would be counterproductive. If it ever happened (which it won't) all it would do would be to hand an unanimous electoral college victory to Obama, and at the same time, destroy Ron Paul's political career. The public doesn't take too kindly to someone using back door techniques to get the nomination with just 5% of the vote.

I mean, do you honestly think that the people who voted for McCain would say "Well played! I tip my hat to you...here is my vote for Ron Paul in November!" Of COURSE they wouldn't. Now, when you factor in that he has gotten 40% of the vote consistently, that is 40% of the Republican party that would never vote for him. Ever again. For any office. OR who would ever vote for someone that Ron Paul endorses.

That is why it is so important that people accept reality and stop this counterproductive plan. It won't work, but the more it gets out, the more it hurts him.

It is ALL risk, and zero reward.

[jrich4rpaul]

The grassroots focused too much time and effort into educating the masses rather than gaining support for Ron Paul. A quick look over the majority of the grassroots created flyers and newspaper ads that are crammed with tiny print and too much information rather than to-the-point issues about Ron Paul will show that.

Some will argue that this has been all about educating the masses all along. I say that would have been easier to do if we had gotten Ron Paul elected first. It's hard to educate the country under a police state.

[clintontj72]

I think that is the point he is trying to make. the pressure of the election IS off. Even Ron Paul himself knows it. He is NOT trying to win the nomination anymore.

In fact, if Ron Paul ever came to this site and read the threads about lying as delegates to try to get him nominated at this point, he would be EXTREMELY upset and would tell you to stop. Becuae it would be counterproductive. If it ever happened (which it won't) all it would do would be to hand an unanimous electoral college victory to Obama, and at the same time, destroy Ron Paul's political career. The public doesn't take too kindly to someone using back door techniques to get the nomination with just 5% of the vote.

I mean, do you honestly think that the people who voted for McCain would say "Well played! I tip my hat to you...here is my vote for Ron Paul in November!" Of COURSE they wouldn't. Now, when you factor in that he has gotten 40% of the vote consistently, that is 40% of the Republican party that would never vote for him. Ever again. For any office. OR who would ever vote for someone that Ron Paul endorses.

That is why it is so important that people accept reality and stop this counterproductive plan. It won't work, but the more it gets out, the more it hurts him.

It is ALL risk, and zero reward.

hmmmm....and they are going to vote then for? They are going to vote for Obamasocialist or Hitlery? If they did...they are not real conservatives. It is all reward to shake the living shizzle out of the party...to take it over...to change its direction to a limited government, constitutional direction...we all want nothing but freedom for ourselves and our countrymen. We do not want 'Power'...you sir are acting alot like one of those creatures under a bridge oh Mr. Realist...get your hind end out there and fight and help make reality and stop pissing on people who are trying to make change.

I do agree that it may at times seem hopeless...what I can guarantee you though brother...it is 100% HOPELESS if you do nothing. It may be 99% or 90% or 50% hopeless if we do something...but that is better odds than 100% HOPELESS. So grab yourself by the bootstraps and do what you as a Sovereign Individual Citizen thinks will help the most...but stop crapping on others with win all/lose all statements like "It is ALL risk, and zero reward" ...you DO NOT know this...we don't either. Like I said...to try is better than not trying.

[pinkmandy]

Point is we don't HAVE to tell people who to vote for. We need to lead by example, not beg people to pay attention to us. You can't push a rope uphill. When we stop giving a crap about them, ignore them, and just get busy, stay focused and energized THEY WILL COME. It's human nature.

Sheep are followers. They follow leaders. So we have to start acting like leaders and they'll end up jumping on board. We just need to act and act big.

Say we have 1,000,000 supporters. Can you imagine if 90,000 of those decided to come together in a specific monthto effect massive change? Say 30k went to NH, 30k to Wyoming or Montana (where you guys want), and another 30k all moved to the same area in Texas to fight NAU? We would TERRIFY the powers that be with that kind of movement. And people would become curious. People don't like being left out and at the very least will pay more attention to events if so many people think it's serious enough to move.

Another thought- wouldn't it be awesome if we could coordinate to go en masse wherever we were needed?

ETA: I think pp have misinterpreted my thoughts. I'm not thinking about changing direction, I'm talking about coming together, ramping up and focusing our energies.

[acptulsa]

I think that is the point he is trying to make. the pressure of the election IS off. Even Ron Paul himself knows it. He is NOT trying to win the nomination anymore.

In fact, if Ron Paul ever came to this site and read the threads about lying as delegates to try to get him nominated at this point, he would be EXTREMELY upset and would tell you to stop. Becuae it would be counterproductive. If it ever happened (which it won't) all it would do would be to hand an unanimous electoral college victory to Obama, and at the same time, destroy Ron Paul's political career. The public doesn't take too kindly to someone using back door techniques to get the nomination with just 5% of the vote.

I mean, do you honestly think that the people who voted for McCain would say "Well played! I tip my hat to you...here is my vote for Ron Paul in November!" Of COURSE they wouldn't. Now, when you factor in that he has gotten 40% of the vote consistently, that is 40% of the Republican party that would never vote for him. Ever again. For any office. OR who would ever vote for someone that Ron Paul endorses.

That is why it is so important that people accept reality and stop this counterproductive plan. It won't work, but the more it gets out, the more it hurts him.

It is ALL risk, and zero reward.

Is this all you can say? Is this the only reason you're here? Feh.

How can Dr. Paul not have gotten wind of this? He can't say "go" because that would piss off the G.O.P. faithful and disenfranchised "team player" conservatives we're trying to win over. Fact is, though, he hasn't said stop. In fact, if memory serves he was the first to emphasize delegates. As for whether or not Republicans will vote for him, the voters of the Fourteenth District of Texas don't seem to care what the rest of the country thinks. And, considering he's pretty much guaranteed to be working to age 74 or so, I doubt he's particularly worried about his own power or his next meal.

As for Republicans taking kindly to a ten (not five) percenter taking the nomination, I think you forget that the only reason McCain won any primaries before the press crowned him and called it over was that Romney, Huckabee and Thompson and Dr. Paul were splitting the conservative vote. Conservatives may like playing the game, but that does not mean they like McCain. Besides that, I contend that, if we do it right, this delegate business will get our other candidates attention, and that need not be negative attention. We're not trying to do this by gunpoint, but by the system.

Mandy, I apologize for letting this troll-like behavior lead me to help this character hijack your thread. Back to it.

I believe that Reagan's secret was his cocky smile and his humor. Unfortunately, our man isn't exactly long on these suits. I do think that some of us are. Even though this situation we face is very serious business, you're certainly right that attraction would work better than hitting people over the head with facts. I think a worsening economy will be beating them about the head and shoulders soon enough. We could stand to laugh and smile.

I think satirical humor could be a good way to slide our message in under people's defenses. Witness The Onion's story on Diebold letting the election results slip out early. Perhaps we could go up against them. Our site could use less social and more political humor. Go a little deeper, and at the same time be a little simpler.

Humor on the web. There's a market, it's an attraction, it's a vehicle for truth. Would that work for us?

[pinkmandy]

I think humor is an excellent vehicle. I've met people who depend on Jon Stewart as their sole source of news. ;) So we need a funny RP Repub on Comedy Central or a RP Jeff Foxworthy.

And we need massive movement. I really think we all need to move. When shtf (and it will, does anyone doubt that?) then we need to be together. How hard would it be for an agent to pluck you out of your house in the middle of the night right now? How hard would it be if they first had to quietly enter a RP community to take one of our own? Think about that.

[Conza88]

Most of you really have no idea do you..
It WOULD NOT have mattered what the campaign did, HOW they spent the money, on WHAT ads or not..

FFS get some perspective. Bloody hell.

Who are we up against?
THINK ABOUT IT.
It's not some god damn picnic walk. There is TRILLIONS at stake. From all the industrial complex's (medical, military etc.) if Ron Paul is elected, or his ideas are implemented. Not to mention, NWO plans if you want to kick it up a notch, or also involve the FEDERAL RESERVE, aka bankers etc.

And not to mention, their method of control.

The MAIN STEAM MEDIA.

We cannot CONTROL them, they choose what to cover etc. Its the sad reality.

We did AWESOME despite this MASSIVE hurdle.

No way you can easily compete against FREE msm coverage for your opponents for a year... is there?!@?!?

But its NOT over yet. The process that the MSM CANNOT CONTROL is the delegate process.
This is where you can use DEDICATION, PASSION and pure DRIVE;
it doesn't simply end with a vote.

It's our time to shine.

[acptulsa]

I think humor is an excellent vehicle. I've met people who depend on Jon Stewart as their sole source of news. ;) So we need a funny RP Repub on Comedy Central or a RP Jeff Foxworthy.

And we need massive movement. I really think we all need to move. When shtf (and it will, does anyone doubt that?) then we need to be together. How hard would it be for an agent to pluck you out of your house in the middle of the night right now? How hard would it be if they first had to quietly enter a RP community to take one of our own? Think about that.

I think these are excellent suggestions. A show will almost certainly have to be web based, as I don't think the media will have anything to do with us (unless we get so popular that all they can see is the potential revenue, of course).

As for the community, well, unfortunately we really should think hard about this. We could do this without moving into a communal sort of space, also using the web. Our meetups and these forums could be used. We could have a sort of buddy system--in case I suddenly stop posting for a week, contact so and so, for example. Or we could trust Liberty Forest and register. I don't like the latter idea as that would make it easier for "them"--one warrant from a secret court and the whole database is theirs. Nonetheless, we should put some thought into it. With one percent of the population in jail...

[pinkmandy]

We could do this without moving into a communal sort of space, also using the web. Our meetups and these forums could be used. We could have a sort of buddy system--in case I suddenly stop posting for a week, contact so and so, for example. Or we could trust Liberty Forest and register. I don't like the latter idea as that would make it easier for "them"--one warrant from a secret court and the whole database is theirs. Nonetheless, we should put some thought into it. With one percent of the population in jail...


^^^^^^

Exactly. We need to do SOMETHING. Look at how many people have disappeared from the forums. Yeah, they could have been trolls or not very passionate. Or not. How do we know? And how would we know later?

The way I see it, people like us are the only obstacle elites are facing. And here we are openly discussing our views, spread out across the country, all of our info out there somewhere and easily located. I prefer we move to designated geographic areas but for those who can't then we at least need an online system. Recognize, though, that an online system may only notify others after you are gone and will also be more susceptible to infiltration. Irl, your detention could be prevented altogether which is ideal imo.

[amy31416]

^^^^^^


The way I see it, people like us are the only obstacle elites are facing. And here we are openly discussing our views, spread out across the country, all of our info out there somewhere and easily located. I prefer we move to designated geographic areas but for those who can't then we at least need an online system. Recognize, though, that an online system may only notify others after you are gone and will also be more susceptible to infiltration. Irl, your detention could be prevented altogether which is ideal imo.

I agree about moving to designated geographic areas, our views can be discussed more privately, along with our plans. There's also the benefit of sharing resources and skills if the shtf. We could survive it and hardly miss a beat. Within the community, we could actually have our own bartering economic system for most everything we need like food, clothing, whatever else we can produce.

[acptulsa]

Back to the satirical news site, could we pull this off? Would we start with text and move up to video? Thoughts?

[acptulsa]

Why is it that whenever I try to suggest humor as a vehicle for us, the thread slips away into the night like a thief?

I realize it isn't funny. I see the economy and the loss of rights. I see the violations inherent in Gitmo. I understand why Dr. Paul is always serious as a heart attack. The fact remains, humor and satire are very, very useful tools.

Someone has a quote in their signature that says the most effective way to educate is to pass on the information in such a way that the recipient doesn't know they're learning until 'tis too late. That is the beauty of satire.

If The Onion can do it, why can't some of us?

[pinkmandy]

I agree w/you on the humor. ;) I just don't know how to get it done. It would have to have broad appeal to be effective, though.

[acptulsa]

I agree w/you on the humor. ;) I just don't know how to get it done. It would have to have broad appeal to be effective, though.

Well, first you throw out a headline, then you write a story.

McCain given Congressional Medal of Honor for Ridding Navy of Five Obsolete Aircraft

Hannity Slams Ron Paul as Kook, Then Asks him for Investment Advice

[acptulsa]

Lakota Sioux Secede, Return 1875 Gift Blankets to Cholera Ward

Throw them a goofy headline, make them laugh, surprise them later when they discover there's truth in it.

[acptulsa]

McCain Voters Up in Arms Over Ron Paul Delegates--Ten Thousand Diebold Machines March on Convention

[acptulsa]

Barak Obama Spends Three Hours in Senate Eloquently Denouncing Obama/Feingold Bill

[SilentBull]

I agree with you on one thing. I think we are focusing too much on waking people up.

In my opinion, we should do the same thing these corrupt politicians have done. Infiltrate and become the politicians ourselves.

We can save this country without the sheep even knowing that we just saved their lives.

Of course we need to keep waking people up to join us, but the ones that plan to do nothing about the problem don't help our cause.

[pinkmandy]

Love the headlines! So we'd need our own "news" site? That could be a lot of fun, too!

Anon, exactly. Sheep follow and they will follow those they assume are leading. We just do our thing and they WILL come. I know it. I was reading an interesting thread on the FSP forum today. The poster was commenting on how many people in NH have come to "look to" the freestaters for advice because they have started accepting them as authorities on certain issues. We just need to assume these roles of "authority" and I think that's something most RP supporters do naturally. We know our stuff! So do your thing, be natural, and forget trying to convince. SHOW them. Make them ask questions. Make them think of YOU when they have a problem.

[acptulsa]

So we'd need our own "news" site? That could be a lot of fun, too!

I'd do what I can in a heartbeat. Only thing is, I may be able to set up some pretty decent punchlines, but I couldn't set up the site to save my life.

[Nate K]

Holy hell, i've been trying to gather people up for months, do people ACTUALLY want to work towards something?

[acptulsa]

Holy hell, i've been trying to gather people up for months, do people ACTUALLY want to work towards something?

Can you set up a website?

[Mordan]

lead by example.. domestically and internationally

[Nate K]

Can you set up a website?

www.smartrebel.com

all i have to do is tweak it a bit and it'll be in full gear. I have so many plans, all i need is other people to help. I suggest if anyone wants to do some planning that we get together on AIM.

make an account at www.aim.com if you don't have one. my sn is Celgos

[acptulsa]

U.S. Military Gears Up to Liberate Renegade Democracy

[TruthAtLast]

Point is we don't HAVE to tell people who to vote for. We need to lead by example, not beg people to pay attention to us. You can't push a rope uphill. When we stop giving a crap about them, ignore them, and just get busy, stay focused and energized THEY WILL COME. It's human nature.

Sheep are followers. They follow leaders. So we have to start acting like leaders and they'll end up jumping on board. We just need to act and act big.

Say we have 1,000,000 supporters. Can you imagine if 90,000 of those decided to come together in a specific monthto effect massive change? Say 30k went to NH, 30k to Wyoming or Montana (where you guys want), and another 30k all moved to the same area in Texas to fight NAU? We would TERRIFY the powers that be with that kind of movement. And people would become curious. People don't like being left out and at the very least will pay more attention to events if so many people think it's serious enough to move.

Another thought- wouldn't it be awesome if we could coordinate to go en masse wherever we were needed?

ETA: I think pp have misinterpreted my thoughts. I'm not thinking about changing direction, I'm talking about coming together, ramping up and focusing our energies.

I can see both sides of the argument. On one side, you are correct that mass organizations can have a huge impact and we would leave a wake of Freedom wherever we go. But it costs money to travel all over the country. If we all moved, it assumes that people can afford to move and have jobs to support their family (not to mention the demand would drive up home prices at a time when they probably got LESS out of their current home when they sold it). I can see the theory of your proposition but it doesn't seem practical.

Plus if we all gathered together, it make it that much harder to have a broad range impact to take over a country. We may have 99% of the vote in any election where we'd move to, but if we only needed about 51% to win (for example in a Congressional race) then our voting power is being wasted. We would also be limited to the number of new supporters we'd attract because all of our supporters would be located in one place. We could be canvasing each other. :D

I think the MLM idea is an interesting one. There are aspects of Network Marketing and downline management that might be very applicable in politics. The whole idea of (If I recruit 5 people, and each of them recruited 5, and each of them....) is very powerful and having a basic MLM infrastructure could actually create the excitement similar to the fundrasing transparency widget where people get really enthusiastic about reaching that next level.

So I can see there being a lot of potential there if it was well thought out. But all moving to a single place may not be the best idea (even though I'd love to have a bunch of Ron Paul supporters as neighbors). Maybe my solution should just be to convert my neighbors into Ron Paul supporters. LOL Not always as easy as it sounds though. Some people are very stubborn about their views even when there is absolutely nothing to back it up. ;)

Plus, if we were all in one place, wouldn't it also make it easier for our enemies to identify and control us (or round us up)?

[TruthAtLast]

Love the headlines! So we'd need our own "news" site? That could be a lot of fun, too!


Too bad our combined resources couldn't do a hostile take over of one of the major news agencies. :D

[pinkmandy]

I can write. I think most on this board can although some may need a bit of editing for grammar and such. ;) Lots of wit here. I giggle several times a day at the responses I see to different threads. Randy can have his own column. :)

So we could be like News with Views except add satire and humor? Videos would be good, too and perhaps as we grow we'll add more features?

Shall we do this? :)

[Nate K]

Real collaboration won't be achieved through forums, when will people realize this?

[pinkmandy]

Real collaboration won't be achieved through forums, when will people realize this?

No, we can't work out details on the forum. We can gather help here, though. There are 3 of us (sorry if I missed anyone) who are interested. We need more than that. Keep the thread bumped and they'll respond. Then we collaborate privately w/the details. ;)

Nate, I was just looking at your site. Is that a personal blog?

[Nate K]

No, we can't work out details on the forum. We can gather help here, though. There are 3 of us (sorry if I missed anyone) who are interested. We need more than that. Keep the thread bumped and they'll respond. Then we collaborate privately w/the details. ;)

Nate, I was just looking at your site. Is that a personal blog?

no, it's going to be used as a 'database' of ideas, the only thing holding me back is the lack of enthusiasm it seems from everyone else. if people really want to do something, we can do it.