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Ex Post Facto
03-17-2008, 08:55 PM
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AUDIO: General William Odom Says Congress Should Impeach and Stop Funding the Occupation
David Swanson

David Swanson
March 17, 2008
In a wide-ranging hour-long discussion on live radio, General William Odom said he sees two useful things Congress can do: cease funding the occupation of Iraq, and impeach Bush and Cheney.

General Odom earned a national reputation as an expert on the Soviet Union. In 1977, he was appointed as the military assistant to Zbigniew Brzezinski, the hawkish assistant to the president (Carter) for national security affairs. From 2 November 1981 to 12 May 1985, Odom served as the Army´s Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence. From 1985 to 1988, he served as the director of the National Security Agency, the United States´ largest intelligence agency, under president Ronald Reagan.

Odom was energized during the radio show and continued the discussion off the air, at which point he told me he'd wished to mention that al Qaeda's websites show a new theme: al Qaeda wants to get the United States to attack Iran. Odom remarked on a situation in which Lieberman, Olmert, and al Qaeda all agree.

In addition to Iraq and Iran, we discussed on the air the question of the NSA's warrantless spying, not that the NSA couldn't hear us off the air as well.

Find the audio of the show archived at

http://www.thepeoplespeakradio.net/audio/2008/#march

Ex Post Facto
03-17-2008, 08:57 PM
Quotes from General Odom


Also, General Zinni, who commanded central command, was very much opposed to the war in the first place, as I was. We were both quoted to that effect in February of 2003.
William Odom

But I would make it unambiguously clear that we are going to withdraw, and if Iraq falls into civil war and if all these unhappy things occur, we're just going to have to accept them.
William Odom

Firing off 1,000 or 500 or 2,000 nuclear warheads on a few minutes' consideration has always struck me as an absurd way to go to war.
William Odom

I don't think that the war serves U.S. interests. I think Osama bin Laden's interests and the Iranian interests are very much served by it, and it's becoming a huge drain on our resources both material and political.
William Odom

I have never belonged to a party. I don't have party affiliation.
William Odom

I remember serving in Vietnam in that war, and many of us at the major Lieutenant Colonel, colonel level were frustrated that no one in the U.S. wanted to debate it that way.
William Odom

I will make a general statement that we have not had anything like the policy of holding people in high office responsible for their acts that I think we should.
William Odom

I've decided that the political context is such that the only way reform will finally come about in the Russian military is that the deterioration goes beyond the point to which these old generals can stand up there and resist it.
William Odom

In fact, it struck me when we invaded last year that if we did it without European and East Asian support, we were risking losing our alliance in Europe in exchange for Iraq, and that is a very undesirable exchange.
William Odom

In reality, I don't think that many of the policies we've attempted to apply to deal with it are going to have any serious effect.
William Odom

In World War II in Germany, we had a ration for one U.S. soldier, or one allied soldier for every twenty inhabitants. The ratio in Iraq is about one for a hundred and sixty.
William Odom

It was not in our interest to enter Iraq in the first place.
William Odom

It was, however, in the interest of Osama bin Laden for us to destroy a secular Arab leader; it was very much in the interest of the Iranians because they wanted revenge against Saddam Hussein for Iraq's invasion in 1980.
William Odom

Military officers from different countries, when they meet each other, tend to sort of fall in love, become mutual admiration societies, at the expense of realities.
William Odom

Once we destroyed the Saddam regime, we knew there was going to be a civil war.
William Odom

Our presence in Iraq risks turning it into a country that could become the base for terrorist operations and organizations like al Qaeda.
William Odom

Second, recent polls over there show that the majority of Iraqis want us to leave precipitously.
William Odom

So the idea that you could put Kurds, Shiite Arabs, and Sunni Arabs in a nice, liberal, federal system in Iraq in a short amount of time, six months or a year, boggles the mind.
William Odom

The presidents I served under don't have anything to do with my politics.
William Odom

The real nuclear threats, I don't think are going to come from Russia. They're going to come from other countries.
William Odom

The whole notion of land property rights in the Arab world is different from that in Europe.
William Odom

Therefore, once U.S. forces leave, it is almost inevitable that an anti-Western, anti-U.S. regime will arise.
William Odom

To say that you now trust the Russian military command and control system because some Russian general told you from the bottom of his heart that's the case, strikes me as most unrealistic.
William Odom

We need to go to the niceties of approaching the U. N. and let them have a chance to take it over, but we should set some sort of date and begin to move out and leave it to whoever takes over.
William Odom

We've already seen proliferation. We started it with Britain, then France. Then we benignly let the Israelis do it. The Pakistanis and the Indians have recently done it. The Chinese have nuclear weapons.
William Odom

While people out there on the spot certainly have to be held accountable for what they've done personally, the chain of command responsibility for this strikes me as just as important and should be dealt with.
William Odom

LEK
03-18-2008, 07:56 AM
Excellent - I love these logical facts that expose the true absurdity of this invasion. Ron Pual uses the same kind of logic and it is accurate and undebateable YET all people hear is "protection from the evil doers."

Even with the huge amount of evidence that this invasion was propagated on lies and false claims.

Wake up people!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If3g8I7sflw