anybody here NOT KNOW about the NAU, SPP?

[Lord Xar]

I am curious. One of the reasons why I chose Ron Paul was because of his stance on illegal immigration but also for his knowledge of the NAU and SPP and how it will destroy americas soverignty.

Does anybody here NOT know about the North American Union and the planned goal of the globalists?

[McDermit]

I didn't until about a week ago. I'd heard stuff, but dismissed it as conspiracy theory nonsense. (Being spammed about (fake) "Amero coins" through one of my meetups contributed to the conspiracy nut label.)

But I read some stuff RP put out about the NAFTA Superhighway/SPP/NAU recently, so I now I'm aware.

[Shink]

People need to stop discounting this. There are a lot of people down in Texas that could tell you about it, what Rick Perry has done, how Giuliani stands to profit from it, etc. Ron Paul isn't talking about it for no reason. There's a lot of complaining about mainstream news, so why not try listening to the Alex Jones Show? You don't have to agree with everything, but he cites mainstream news and digs up and mentions a lot of stuff that is FAR more important than the next Paris Hilton appearance or 20-person event for a "frontrunner."

[paulitics]

Yeah. This is a mainstream issue now. RP ralks about it, Lou Dobbs, BEck.
This is an issue we can win the campaign on. Anyone who learns about the NAU will never vote for a neocon again. People are wondering why the open borders, and he incessant attempts to steamroll amnesty, and why Bush is for it. This is why.

[im_a_pepper]

Freedom to Fascism- Director's edition is currently being played on Google video right now! Watch it if you have not, before it gets pulled down again. (+3 million views last time)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

[Give me liberty]

Well on Monday or tuesday we will see what will happen.

[guntherg16]

Useful Links for Learning More About the SPP and NAU (http://www.jbs.org/node/5211)

Congress tells Bush: Back off SPP agenda (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57203)

[McDermit]

People need to stop discounting this. There are a lot of people down in Texas that could tell you about it, what Rick Perry has done, how Giuliani stands to profit from it, etc. Ron Paul isn't talking about it for no reason. There's a lot of complaining about mainstream news, so why not try listening to the Alex Jones Show? You don't have to agree with everything, but he cites mainstream news and digs up and mentions a lot of stuff that is FAR more important than the next Paris Hilton appearance or 20-person event for a "frontrunner."

The problem for me was that all of the anti-NAU activists I came in contact with treat the subject like it IS a giant conspiracy. They don't back anything up with real facts or sources. To anyone not already in-the-know, it sounds like a big radical fear mongering operation. I don't listen to anyone who isn't backing their statements up. If it walks like a duck, I assume it is..

If you're trying to educate people, you've got to site your sources and stick to the facts. Example - I didn't even know that SPP.gov existed up until a week ago.. despite having seen posts on various message boards and recieving probably 50-100 emails regarding the NAU. I also didn't know that Ron Paul had written statements about the NAU/SPP... despite receiving 50+ emails from RP Meetup members about NAU rallies and other "propaganda. The NAU was even briefly mentioned at 2 meetups I've been to, and on one conference call. No one ever cited RP though, or the SPP website, or anything else that would have made me take them seriously.

Any time you talk about it, you need to be showing people that SPP.gov really exists, and pointing to Ron Paul's own words about the NAU. Otherwise, people aren't going to listen. Just saying "Ron Paul is against the NAU," won't do it. People said the same about him being a truther. Link me to a youtube where he mentioned the NAU, get me to read RP's statements on the NAU and NAFTA Superhighway. THEN I'll listen.

[Shink]

I personally throw around about 10 or 15 links verifying my stance when I try to convince. I especially don't like it when RON PAUL SUPPORTERS of all people, however, write it off when their candidate denounces it quite often...it just makes me care less about convincing people.

[McDermit]

Well, not every RP supporter has heard Ron paul speak 500 times or read everything he's published. In the videos/debates I'd seen, he never mentioned it. I've been actively supporting for maybe a month, if that.. and I've still got a lot to learn.

Keep in mind that a lot of RP supporters are completely new to politics. We've never cared before, or at least not in many years.

[slantedview]

Ron has a Texas Straight Talk article covering this topic:

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst082806.htm

[paulitics]

I see people give facts, links and sources until they are blue in the face and I still hear people disregard it as "conspiracy" despite Lou Dobbs extensive coverage, the many books on it, SPP publications downloadable that spells out the whole thing, amnestly integrating SPP legislation that was attempted to be steamrolled through despite public outcry. And the rumors have been going around for at more than a decade, with all of it coming to a head now. I used to remember all the fuss over nafta, and the warnings that were given, now I understand.

Sometimes I wonder what it takes, look what happened to Europe. The public never wanted an EU, but it was stealthily implemented over decades, until they finally announced it. Surprise, surprise, now its too late for them to turn back. And their constitutions are being supplanted by the EU. I''m sure there were plenty of people that were told they were wackos while it was going on.

I think the problem is you can talk about anything that is not well known, or broadcast on the nightly news, and it comes across as a conspiracy. The problem is, the media doesn't tell us what we need to know. As a matter of fact, many broadcasters sit on the CFR and are sworn to secrecy about what is said. OOPs, now I'm sounding like a conspiracy theorist. Look at who is on the CFR. Every major presidential candidate, with the exception of Paul, Tancredo, and a couple of others. We need to trust ourselves to investigate facts, instead of waiting for politicians or media anchors to tell us.

[4Horsemen]

A person is smart, people are stupid. Group thinkers that only hear want they are prepared to hear. Example, typical German citizen back in the last 1930's. "I heard the SS is rounding Jews and other undesirables into camps and killing them in the masses". Shut up! Take that tin foil hat off! As they say, the rest is history...:rolleyes:

[LibertyEagle]

People need to stop discounting this. There are a lot of people down in Texas that could tell you about it, what Rick Perry has done, how Giuliani stands to profit from it, etc. Ron Paul isn't talking about it for no reason. There's a lot of complaining about mainstream news, so why not try listening to the Alex Jones Show? You don't have to agree with everything, but he cites mainstream news and digs up and mentions a lot of stuff that is FAR more important than the next Paris Hilton appearance or 20-person event for a "frontrunner."

Or one could listen to Lou Dobbs. He talks about it frequently. In fact, there are a plethora of Youtube videos out there where he has covered it. There are also a bunch of articles about it on Human Events, World Net Daily and the JBS' publication, The New American.

Here are some other links:

http://www.stopthenau.org/
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15954
http://www.judicialwatch.org/SPP.shtml
http://www.american.edu/ia/cnas/pdfs...monyCanada.pdf

This video will bring you up to speed:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...rican+union%22
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do... ican+union%22

Check this out:
http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/fina/pr...=eng&menu=fina
http://americas.irc-online.org/am/386
http://www.asu.edu/clas/nacts/bna/

Grand Strategy for a Divided America
By Charles A. Kupchan and Peter L. Trubowitz
From Foreign Affairs, July/August 2007
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070701faessay86406/charles-a-kupchan-peter-l-trubowitz/grand-strategy-for-a-divided-america.html?mode=print

[Margo37]

Canada Global Research has an excellent website for info on SPP/NAU and so much more not reported in USA:


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6539

http://newswithviews.com invaluable also, follow the links, more sinister than can be imagined and it's all out there documented, FEMA and UN population centers, martial law plans, the North American Highway, I've collected a lot over the last 2 years.

In part:

The North American Union and the End of Democracy in Canada


by Kevin Parkinson


Global Research, August 13, 2007


Unfortunately, democratic rights in Canada are quickly becoming an illusion. In a sinister plot being carried out underneath our noses, the Canadian government has been working collectively with Mexico and the United States to create the conditions for a merger into a North American Union (NAU). To date, there has been absolutely no public participation concerning this merger.

The plot will thicken even more on August 20-21 when George Bush and Felipe Calderon, the presidents of the United States and Mexico, meet Stephen Harper at the Fairmont Hotel in Montebello, Quebec. Further planning and analysis of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), an informal agreement signed by the leaders of the three countries in 2005, will command center stage.



If Canadians understood the substance of the SPP they would be appalled since it is a direct threat to the existence of Canada as a sovereign country. Internal SPP documents released under FOI requests have shown that U.S. administrative law is being written in stealth to “integrate” and “harmonize” 100’s of regulations in Canada and Mexico.


As Dr. Jerome Corsi has pointed out in “The Late Great U.S.A.”, the European Union is being used as a model for the NAU. The European Union was created incrementally over a 40 year period with public disclosure, but the North American Union have been placed on an incredible 5 year timetable with no public disclosure!


Government leaders, the corporate elite and senior bureaucrats have been meeting secretly for the past 2 years to “fast track” the eventual rollout of the NAU by 2010.

[Mel46]

Margo provided one of the latest informative articles on the NAU and the Monday-Tuesday, Aug 20-21 meeting in Canada. I am a native Texan, lived there 60 yrs till 2006, retirement, moved out of state, majorly because of the negative devastation caused by illegals throughout my home state. A previous post stated....the NAU is why there is NOT border fence or any protection implemented except dog & pony shows on the border. As we, who know, continue to give evidence to our email friends, friends, family...anyone we can reach with the truth we KNOW..to be the truth....and one of those "truths" IS Ron Paul.., what he firmly stands for the American people and his proven track record...the SPP is real....the NAU is real..but what was signed "in secrecy" Waco, Tx, March, 2005....we in Tx knew but we didn't know WHAT the NAU REALLY was...and the NAFTA hwy started being built...land taken from owners....the plan between China and Mexico to flood even more products into the US with NO inspection until Kansas City, KS....and THAT inspection ONLY by Mexicans.....the new Consulate built in KS.. .... there will be no border security....or else there would have been yrs ago....we attempted when Bush was Gov....to strongly inquire WHY "all of a sudden illegal Hispanics were flooding into Tx....to have about the same response as now.....go in one ear, collect speed, go out the other. For those who ARE going to SPP & NAU websites and reading the truth....end year 2010....but who do not know the history of it....and certainly US media is deafenly silent...
WE the PEOPLE.....as Ron Paul's firm stand is based....CAN do something NOW...
we must join together. We must have a leader, strong, mission focused...
on protecting the sovernity of the USA....and the Canadians FEEL the same way after this "truth" is being known. I just joined tonight. I am inspired by your comments. I am secure in knowing I'm not the only in the wilderness. Thank you all.

[Bryan]

Apparently Fred Thompson doesn't know about the NAU so I made a video for him on it in the spirit of the "Educating Rudy" video- well, I think it's pretty good. :)


Educating Fred (on the NAU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXevDajb2lo