Why the Revolution needs a little elitism in it's blood

[Rhys]

The rEVOLution needs to be a little more elitist.

Lame people like Denis Kucinich should not be so welcome. He makes us all look bad. Public Perception is like High School. If you sit with the geeks at lunch, you don't get head from the cheerleader.

You don't have to agree with me saying this, but you should at least agree I'm right. We have a country to take back. Being 'nice' wont cut it.

Yes, it would be 'nice' to include everyone, but first they must include themselves ito us. If someone wants in our clique, they need to walk the walk and talk the talk.

The problem is, a lot of people think liberals can help us. They can't. Snob them. Their entire way of thinking needs to be driven from the face of the Earth. This means, being cooler then them so that they want to be like us.

Liberals don't get laid. (methephor). If they did, John Kerry would be president. They're geeks and don't have a clue how to get laid. (still with that metephore)

anyway... reverse your thinking if your not on these lines.

Never forget, this is a BATTLE of ideas, a WAR of words and it's us or them. CFR of Founding Fathers. If you sit with the CFR at lunch, don't expect the Founding Father's to let you date their daughter.

[gerryb]

I don't know why there is still so much ignorance and name calling here.

"Liberal" = Ron Paul.

Look it up and stop being ignorant to the meaning of the word. Twisting of words has gotten us to where we are - to the point that otherwise "conservative" people argue FOR neo-conservatism.

[Rhys]

I don't know why there is still so much ignorance and name calling here.

"Liberal" = Ron Paul.

Look it up and stop being ignorant to the meaning of the word. Twisting of words has gotten us to where we are - to the point that otherwise "conservative" people argue FOR neo-conservatism.

neoconservative is liberal.

i'm using the definition of liberal which states, liberals believe in big federal government being able to fix a problem.

just so you don't think i'm twisting a word.

and if we're gonna play semantics, cause it's fun, by saying there's ignorance and complaining about it, along with name calling, you engage in both.

name calling for calling me ignorant
ignorance for not understanding that

now we'll go back to what I was saying. focus that ignorance on the other team.

[gerryb]

I'm just acting elitist.

Now you see the folly in your advice. You said this is a WAR of words. You can't do that if you don't understand the meaning of the words you use. The problem is the words do not have the same meaning to any 2 people. Check out what G. Edward Griffin has to say about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Dhv59JYpA

There is no "other team". If you attack "Liberals" you will alienate people who believe in the RP platform. We need to show them they already believe in RP's platform, not that they should.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism



Within liberalism, there are two major currents of thought that often compete over the use of the term "liberal" and have been known to clash on many issues, as they differ on their understanding of what constitutes freedom. Classical liberals, believe that the provision of negative rights, that is freedom from coercion alone, constitutes freedom.[4] As a result they see state intervention in the economy as a coercive power that restricts freedom when enforced coercively by law, emphasize laissez-faire economic policy, and oppose the welfare state.[5] Social liberals argue that freedom from economic as well as physical coercion is necessary for real freedom. They generally favor such positive rights as the right to vote, the right to an education, the right to health care, and the right to a living wage. Some also favor laws against discrimination in housing and employment, laws against pollution of the environment, and the provision of welfare, including unemployment benefit and housing for the homeless, all supported by progressive taxation.[4]

[Rhys]

I'm just acting elitist.

Now you see the folly in your advice. You said this is a WAR of words. You can't do that if you don't understand the meaning of the words you use. The problem is the words do not have the same meaning to any 2 people. Check out what G. Edward Griffin has to say about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Dhv59JYpA

There is no "other team". If you attack "Liberals" you will alienate people who believe in the RP platform. We need to show them they already believe in RP's platform, not that they should.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

i know you're acting elitest. That's why i'm saying to focus it on the socialists. not the people who agree with you on most everything. it's zeitgest shifting method. this is why it's not the folly in my advice, but my advice.

also, neither of those definitions of liberal describe this movement. they describe the antithesis of this movement. individual and economic liberty is inseperable. The true fight is there. the method is to remove the notion that we fight for civil rights. we fight for freedom. liberals do not. that is a matter of fact, and not just a word.

[constituent]

The rEVOLution needs to be a little more elitist.

Lame people like Denis Kucinich should not be so welcome. He makes us all look bad. Public Perception is like High School. If you sit with the geeks at lunch, you don't get head from the cheerleader.

You don't have to agree with me saying this, but you should at least agree I'm right. We have a country to take back. Being 'nice' wont cut it.

Yes, it would be 'nice' to include everyone, but first they must include themselves ito us. If someone wants in our clique, they need to walk the walk and talk the talk.

The problem is, a lot of people think liberals can help us. They can't. Snob them. Their entire way of thinking needs to be driven from the face of the Earth. This means, being cooler then them so that they want to be like us.

Liberals don't get laid. (methephor). If they did, John Kerry would be president. They're geeks and don't have a clue how to get laid. (still with that metephore)

anyway... reverse your thinking if your not on these lines.

Never forget, this is a BATTLE of ideas, a WAR of words and it's us or them. CFR of Founding Fathers. If you sit with the CFR at lunch, don't expect the Founding Father's to let you date their daughter.

i think rhys is projecting his own insecurities on "liberals" in this post.

my nomination for most portentous post of the month

[libertarian4321]

The rEVOLution needs to be a little more elitist.

Lame people like Denis Kucinich should not be so welcome. He makes us all look bad. Public Perception is like High School. If you sit with the geeks at lunch, you don't get head from the cheerleader.


Have you seen Kucinich's wife? That geek is doing more than "date" the cheerleader...

[amy31416]

Elitism is the most obnoxious form of close-mindedness.

I learn from other people, I'm not a weak-willed individual who is swayed by BS. Civil discourse just might open their minds. I'm only dismissive of those who are elitist.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Anybody can join... But if someone actually believes in Big Govt. Liberalism and supports Ron Paul, they should be confronted about it.

After all, it is exactly what we are fighting against.

[pcosmar]

LEFT VS. RIGHT: THE ILLUSION OF OPPOSITES
Analysis © 2007 - 2008 by G. Edward Griffin. Updated January 28

Would you rather be a Neoconservative or a Progressive? That is a trick question. The trick is in the fact that, although there may be differences between the rhetoric and short-term agendas of these groups, their long-term goals actually are the same. They may differ over how to fight a war in the Middle East but not over the right of the President to wage such a war empowered by the UN instead of Congress. They may differ over what kind of speech should be forbidden ("subversive" speech vs. "hate" speech, for example) but not over the right of the government to forbid it. They may differ over how fast to bankrupt the nation to provide benefits for its citizens but not over the assumption that providing benefits is what governments are supposed to do. They disagree over tactics, timing, and style, but not objectives. They fight for dominance within the New World Order, but they work together to build it. That is because both groups have embraced the underlying ideology of global collectivism.

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=left_right&refpage=issues

Freedom Force not only supports Dr. Ron Paul, they are the Message that he is spreading.
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/

Freedom Force International is a network of men and women from all parts of the world who are concerned over loss of personal liberty and expansion of government power. They are not mere complainers. They have a plan to do something about it. They also share a common belief in The Creed of Freedom, which is a statement of principles that guide them in their mission to build a better world.

Totalitarianism is on the rise everywhere because advocates of big government have taken leadership control of the power centers within every society. Power centers are organizations and social groupings – such as political parties, labor unions, church groups, media centers, and professional societies – that hold political power based on their claim to represent their members and on their ability to lead public opinion. It has taken many years for them to achieve this dominance over society, but they have succeeded. It does no good to complain or to theorize about what should be done. As long as advocates of big government hold the power, nothing will change.

[pcosmar]

Freedom Force on Ron Paul,
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=ronpaul


WORK FOR RON PAUL OR FREEDOM FORCE?
That’s a trick question that needs to be explained. Some of our members have asked to be excused from working on Freedom Force projects because they feel it is more important to devote their time to the Ron Paul campaign. I am delighted to know that they are doing that because, as we have stated many times in our Monthly Reports, that is a top priority of Freedom Force. However, this is not an either-or situation. Being active in the Ron Paul campaign IS the number-one project of Freedom Force.

Political campaigns come and go. Every four years, large numbers of people become motivated for political activism because they can see (or hope for) a specific victory with a specific date. When that date passes, most of them drop out. They return to inaction and wait another three years before doing much of anything.

[ItsTime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJcnoDfFWhM

[MikeSmith]

The rEVOLution needs to be a little more elitist.

Lame people like Denis Kucinich should not be so welcome. He makes us all look bad. Public Perception is like High School. If you sit with the geeks at lunch, you don't get head from the cheerleader.

You don't have to agree with me saying this, but you should at least agree I'm right. We have a country to take back. Being 'nice' wont cut it.

Yes, it would be 'nice' to include everyone, but first they must include themselves ito us. If someone wants in our clique, they need to walk the walk and talk the talk.

The problem is, a lot of people think liberals can help us. They can't. Snob them. Their entire way of thinking needs to be driven from the face of the Earth. This means, being cooler then them so that they want to be like us.

Liberals don't get laid. (methephor). If they did, John Kerry would be president. They're geeks and don't have a clue how to get laid. (still with that metephore)

anyway... reverse your thinking if your not on these lines.

Never forget, this is a BATTLE of ideas, a WAR of words and it's us or them. CFR of Founding Fathers. If you sit with the CFR at lunch, don't expect the Founding Father's to let you date their daughter.

Umm................................. We have 9/11 truthers and white supremacists on our side... They don't make up a very large portion of our group, but still, what the hell are you talking about!!!!!! Look, I posted this in another thread... please listen... Everyone needs to stop being elitist:


I don't like calling someone a nut at any time, but when we are the minority it's especially ridiculous.

According to Gallup:

-Americans are pro-choice (67 percent)
-Americans support the Geneva Conventions with regards to torture (57 percent)
-Americans don't want the government snooping in their bank and internet records (67 percent)
-Americans want the USA Patriot Act changed or eliminated entirely (81 percent)
-Americans support protecting the environment at the expense of economic growth (55 percent)
-Americans believe that global warming is happening (86 percent)
-Americans believe that it's the government's responsibility to provide health care (69 percent)
-Americans support the decriminalization of marijuana (55 percent) and support the legalization of medical marijuana (78 percent)
-Americans think we've lost the war in Iraq (64 percent)
-Americans are opposed to attacking Iran (68 percent, according to a CNN Poll)
-Americans support labor unions (60 percent)
-Americans want government funding of embryonic stem cell research (56 percent)
-Americans believe that free trade hurts American workers (65 percent)
-Americans believe rich people and corporations aren't paying enough taxes (66 and 71 percent respectively)
-And overall party affiliation? 54 percent of Americans are Democrats (with leaners) and 39 percent are Republicans (with leaners).

Apparently, Kucinich represents most of the the majority views of the American people.


Everyone arguing with me is missing the point entirely... I wasn't even taking a position on whether Kucinich should be invited to the March or not. I was simply stating that we should be talking and discussing instead of yelling and dismissing since our view points are in the minority... We need to bring a larger segment of the population to our way of thinking. We're not going to do that by calling them socialist nuts...

PS if you were being ironic, well done

[Peace&Freedom]

Umm................................. We have 9/11 truthers and white supremacists on our side... They don't make up a very large portion of our group, but still, what the hell are you talking about!!!!!! Look, I posted this in another thread... please listen... Everyone needs to stop being elitist:


Actually 9-11 truthers are HALF the movement. If I hear any more of this faux association of truth advocates with white supremacists, I'll start saying "umm, we have Federal Reserve bashers and white supremacists on our side" to provide balance.

[FreeTraveler]

Actually 9-11 truthers are HALF the movement.

Source?

[MikeSmith]

Actually 9-11 truthers are HALF the movement. If I hear any more of this faux association of truth advocates with white supremacists, I'll start saying "umm, we have Federal Reserve bashers and white supremacists on our side" to provide balance.

Sorry, I didn't mean to associate truthers with white supremacists... it's just that both of them are seen as way out there by the mainstream. Those who have been vocal about both 9/11 being an inside job and their support for Ron Paul have hurt the movement.

edit: I mean, doing those two things simultaneously, obviously... if they don't know, and there's no way they could know that you're a Ron Paul supporter, you can say whatever you want.

[pcosmar]

Sorry, I didn't mean to associate truthers with white supremacists... it's just that both of them are seen as way out there by the mainstream. Those who have been vocal about both 9/11 being an inside job and their support for Ron Paul have hurt the movement.

edit: I mean, doing those two things simultaneously, obviously... if they don't know, and there's no way they could know that you're a Ron Paul supporter, you can say whatever you want.

No.
They may have affected public perception.
They may have affected the primary elections.
They have NOT adversely affected the Freedom Movement.
They are part of it.

[ItsTime]

LMAO? Seriously? You do not think truthers, skin heads and the kkk have not hurt the movement? But you think K would hurt it? Am I reading this right?


No.
They may have affected public perception.
They may have affected the primary elections.
They have NOT adversely affected the Freedom Movement.

[MikeSmith]

LMAO? Seriously? You do not think truthers, skin heads and the kkk have not hurt the movement? But you think K would hurt it? Am I reading this right?

nm

[pcosmar]

Some people confuse the Freedom Movement with the Campaign, two related but distinctly different things.

[jacobin]

The rEVOLution needs to be a little more elitist.


What is our goal? To win? To take back out country? Than we need to think like Karl Rove et al. It is about effective strategy not passive hope.

We need all of Peter Schiff's friends, Jim Rogers' friends etc.

We need the smartest people in our movement to be involved with Ron Paul Grassroots and other national groups to help direct the movement.

We need to join our opponents' groups (e.g. the CFR) and start building relationships with our political enemies to convince them that the Austrian Economists are correct.

I personally would of rather had RP2008 hire Karl Rove than Kent Snyder and Lew Moore. That is a bit of a joke, but with $25+ million they should of hired insiders in the GOP/RNC to be able to work behind the scenes.

It is SIMPLE -- the Socratic Law of Casuality -- if you do exactly what others have done to be successful (or take over the GOP, the State Dept and the world) than you too will achieve their same results.

[MikeSmith]

Some people confuse the Freedom Movement with the Campaign, two related but distinctly different things.

Well, the thing is, the more people who looked up Ron Paul, the more who converted their way of thinking. If they were turned off of Ron Paul, then they were potentially turned off from the movement.

[Rhys]

What is our goal? To win? To take back out country? Than we need to think like Karl Rove et al. It is about effective strategy not passive hope.

We need all of Peter Schiff's friends, Jim Rogers' friends etc.

We need the smartest people in our movement to be involved with Ron Paul Grassroots and other national groups to help direct the movement.

We need to join our opponents' groups (e.g. the CFR) and start building relationships with our political enemies to convince them that the Austrian Economists are correct.

I personally would of rather had RP2008 hire Karl Rove than Kent Snyder and Lew Moore. That is a bit of a joke, but with $25+ million they should of hired insiders in the GOP/RNC to be able to work behind the scenes.

It is SIMPLE -- the Socratic Law of Casuality -- if you do exactly what others have done to be successful (or take over the GOP, the State Dept and the world) than you too will achieve their same results.

that's right.

as for the rest of you, you're just anti-elitites, which makes you that which you hate. therefor, since you are that which you hate, either change yourself or admit who you are and focus on liberals, socialists and stateists. thx.

also, the whole thing that got me started on this was reading how people want Denis Kucinicg at the march. we'd be doing a whole lot better if we didn't continualy associate with liberals. I mean, there's people who even want a Paul/Kucinich ticket. Even Ron Paul knows it's all or nothin, and he's the nicest guy in the world. You don't put lennon on a ticket with you, cause you end up with Stalin. And you don't say you fight for freedom, then invite slavers to your march.

[Rhys]

i think rhys is projecting his own insecurities on "liberals" in this post.

my nomination for most portentous post of the month

actualy, i think you replied cause you look like a geek in your pic and feel like I was talking about you. You have over 5000 posts, all negative. I've been wanting to call you out on this forever. For the record, I'm a nerd/geek something.

[Anyeong]

this thread = fail

[Rhys]

this thread = fail

only an eliteist would point that out.

now foucus on those who would enslave you, instead of me.