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A Ron Paul Rebel
03-14-2008, 10:07 AM
Here's a subject that has never been honestly discussed
here at RonPaulForums. And that's the topic of making an
honest profit during the revolution.

Time and time again we see posts about 'profiteering' and 'riding
the coat-tails of the revolution (and the coat-tails of Ron Paul).

Allow me to set the record straight about this taboo topic...

'Making a profit' is NOT inherently a bad thing!
'Selling a service' is NOT inherently a bad thing!

And IMHO, the mindset that all selling and all profiting is evil
or bad has really aided the hinderance of the revolution. For example,
if we were to embrace, promote and even encourage the selling of
RP gear and r3volution paraphernalia, we'd have 100 times more
recognition than we do now. But not only have we not encouraged it,
we've gone the complete opposite way and demofied it.

Before I go any further, let me clarify a few things.

There IS a difference in:
a) promoting a R3volution product
b) promoting a RP product
c) promoting a supporter's product that is RP/r3volution related
d) promoting a supporter's product that is non-RP/non-r3volution related
e) promoting non-supporter's r3volutionary product
f) promoting a suedo-supporter's or faux supporter's product


As I see it, these are the main levels of 'offering a service or product'
and I personally put them in this order from best to worse... being
in our current state. (A few months ago, I'd have a) and b) switched.)

I personally have put off my business to help Dr. Paul and the r3volution
even though my work (2 books and DVDs) are all about achieving an
advanced, honest driving society, taking 100% responsibility for our
driving actions, saving gas, time and money ('247 Gas Saving Tips'),
eliminating irrational traffic laws, increasing driving freedoms, etc...
And it goes hand-in-hand with Dr. Paul's philosophy, the revolution
and our long-term goals.

Which up until now, I've been hesitant to promote or even mention
my work and what I do. Just like anyone, I don't like to be labeled
as a 'profiteer' and I'd much rather all of you have a positive view
of me rather than a negative view.

But that's changing!

I've gladly given many, many months and hundreds of hours of my
time to Dr. Paul's campaign and the r3volution with only a few kudos
to show for it.

Now it's time for me to get back to taking care of me! And if that
requires me to alienate myself from these forums then that is what
I'll have to do. I don't want to. And I don't think I need to, but
if things don't evolve around here, I will.

I'll continue to fight for freedom as I've been doing for over a decade
now, and once again, I'll be doing it on my own. ...I'd much rather
have us unite and work together (the reason for this thread) but I'm
not sure if we are yet capable of doing that.

Looking back at the list above, (a) through (e) are all worthwhile and
will aid the advancement of the r3volution, with (a) through (c) being
the most advantageous. (f) is the only one that I think we should be
very caucious about. All the others will prove to bring in more money
and more people to the cause, which will in turn bring in even more
money and more people thus keeping the revolution alive and growing.

Having said all that, I ask you to open your mind to see the possibilities
of uniting tens-of-thousands at www.SaveGasNow.org and uniting tens-of-
thousands at www.StandAndUnite.com and then integrating them together
to further bring in millions more... Then to continue to build an alliance
with other like-minded, liberty-minded sites/businesses to further propel
the r3volution and increase personal freedoms and individual rights.

Or we can continue to bleed ourselves dry, tare each other up and
ensure the stagnation of all our hard work!

Are you with me?

And by 'with me', I don't necessarily mean you helping me with
www.SaveGasNow.org and www.StandAndUnite.com (even though
that'd be very nice). I mean simply supporting the idea of being honest
about offering an honest product at an honest price thus helping
expand and grow the r3volution.

Sincerely,
Hunter

p.s. Please oh please don't move this out of GRC for a while. This
is all about 'grassroots' and how we can re-ignite the fires that
have dwindled as of late.

p.p.s. As you can see in my sig. file, 50% of what we bring in goes
to 'grassroots' projects! :):)


Thanks for taking the time to read this important thread.

Truth Warrior
03-14-2008, 10:11 AM
I kinda doubt that there are many socialists here. :)

A Ron Paul Rebel
03-14-2008, 10:16 AM
I kinda doubt that there are many socialists here. :)

Has nothing to do with 'socialism' as pertaining to my definition.
It's a necessary part of evolution!

If that was sarcasm, as in 'working together' for a common goal
is always bad, then I surely hope we are smarter than that and
can evolve beyond that.

Cleaner44
03-14-2008, 10:22 AM
Well hopefully everyone here was prosperity. Our discussions about gold and silver are helpful. I am making money as the stock market crashes by using inverse funds and I like that we can share ideas for our profit. If we come out of this reccesion strong than the average American I am ok with that, in fact I prefer that.

I have already made $2 from my McCan't bumper sticker so that is cool. Two more sales and I will buy one for myself. :)

I have also been searching for scrap silver lately. I can trade it for 80% melt value with my coin dealer. Take a look around, check in antique stores. Good deals aren't easy to find but they are there.

Dave Wood
03-14-2008, 10:33 AM
Does anyone know how much pennies are really worth in copper these days?

dbhohio47
03-14-2008, 10:39 AM
I had heard that the pre-1982 pennies (95% copper) had a value of about 2.55 cents.

Dave Wood
03-14-2008, 10:42 AM
I had heard that the pre-1982 pennies (95% copper) had a value of about 2.55 cents.
Really! I will have to start searching the jugs.

Dave Wood
03-14-2008, 10:43 AM
That seems pretty high though?

FreeTraveler
03-14-2008, 11:31 AM
Does anyone know how much pennies are really worth in copper these days?

http://www.coinflation.com says $0.0255095 (http://www.coinflation.com/coins/1909-1982-Lincoln-Cent-Penny-Value.html#meltvalue)

A Ron Paul Rebel
03-14-2008, 03:55 PM
bump for support

A Ron Paul Rebel
03-14-2008, 06:50 PM
bump for financing the revolution, financing RP politicians
and bringing in new peeps!

Matthew P.
03-14-2008, 08:41 PM
Hey, I think you're on to something here. We definitely need to unite and expand. Things never stay the same - they grow or diminish, they never just stagnate. To stagnate is to die. Keeping the revolution going and growing will take work, but it will be worth it. Thanks for the post!

By the way - there is nothing wrong with working together. That is not socialism in the Marxist sense, that's how our country was founded - people worked together. That's how we seceded from Britain - people worked together. That's how we abolished slavery - people worked together. We could go on and on and on and on . . . .

We need to get rid of this thinking that says that the only good American, or whatever country your from, is a totally independent one. Independent in the sense of liberties, fine - I'll give you that, but this idea that we stand alone, I'm sorry but you and your Army of One aren't going to get very far. If we are going to have an impact on our nation then it will be a team effort - people working together! :D

A Ron Paul Rebel
03-15-2008, 07:55 AM
Hey, I think you're on to something here. We definitely need to unite and expand. Things never stay the same - they grow or diminish, they never just stagnate. To stagnate is to die. Keeping the revolution going and growing will take work, but it will be worth it. Thanks for the post!

By the way - there is nothing wrong with working together. That is not socialism in the Marxist sense, that's how our country was founded - people worked together. That's how we seceded from Britain - people worked together. That's how we abolished slavery - people worked together. We could go on and on and on and on . . . .

We need to get rid of this thinking that says that the only good American, or whatever country your from, is a totally independent one. Independent in the sense of liberties, fine - I'll give you that, but this idea that we stand alone, I'm sorry but you and your Army of One aren't going to get very far. If we are going to have an impact on our nation then it will be a team effort - people working together! :D

Yes, yes, yes...

And for those who still think that 'profiting' is unethical, did you
hear Alex Jones ask Dr. Paul about starting a corporation soon?
Which he said, 'Yes'!

Nate K
03-15-2008, 07:59 AM
http://smartrebel.com/?p=4

A Ron Paul Rebel
03-15-2008, 11:49 AM
bump for other patriots' profits.