It's Not Too Late. The Christian Vote Can Turn This Around

[Captain Shays]

John McCain can be defeated folks. It's not over yet but we need to convince the millions of conservative Christians WHY Ron Paul is the best possible candidate to vote for, specifically for them.

I need everyone's help in this.

We need to make youtube videos that are Christian specific. We need to print materials that are issue specific to Christians. Let me give you Christians and non Christians some insight on some of these issues.

Ron Paul is for the Christian Just War Principles that are part of the very first treaty this country signed called "The Law of Nations Treaty". This calls for engaging in war only if attacked or if an attack is proven to be imminant.

Many Christians and many Republicans are unaware that the foreign policy that is touted as "strong on national defense" and being promoted by McCain, is the foreign policy of globalist, one world, war mongering liberal Democrats. History has proven this to be correct and this fact can also help to convince non Christian Republicans and Democrats who are anti-war.
Democrats were in power during the start of every major war of the 20th century starting with WWI, then WWII, then Korea the first war that a president sent us in to without a Congressional declaration of war and giving the United Nations as his authority. President Bush has given UN resolutions to send us into another war against a country that never attacked us or threatened us.
Johnson sent over 500,000 troops into Vietnam where 57,000 of them lost their lives against a country that never attacked us or threatened us and without a declaration of war. Then Clinton sent us into Bosnia, Serbia, Albania, Columbia, Somolia without a declaration of war. Policing the world is a liberal globalist Democrat policy and presenting it that way convinces people especially conservative Christians.

Ron Paul is for getting the USA out of the United Nations. The UN was set up specifically to some day become a one world government. For those who don't know, the bible foretells of the formation of a one world government toward the last days. Jesus comes back to destroy the one world government like God destroyed the Tower of Babal in the Old Testiment.

The Federal Reserve engages in a practice the bible condemns as usery and is driving our counrty into debt. All we Ron Paul supporters are well versed on the Fed and we can put together with the help of Christians a really good presentation that will encourage the conservative Christian vote.

The list goes on and on and on for reasons why Ron Paul is the best possible choice for Christians and they can turn this whole thing around.

We all know how the media ignores Ron Paul but every Sunday millions of Christians all around the country are in one place. Church. Their cars are out in the parking lots where we can put our flyers and dvd's that are issue specific to them. I can make flyers that are effective whether they are liberals or conservatives. I need your help and I need it soon.

[OptionsTrader]

There is so much already created, I think you just need to search for it. No reason to reinvent the wheel.

Google video and youtube search:
Ron Paul Value Voters Debate
National Right to Life Convention
Ron Paul on Abortion
Ron Paul For Life
RonPaulForLife
Returning to the Foundations: Ron Paul
Catholics for Ron Paul

etc

If they understand motetary policy, they will realize that his policy is the most compassionate because he will help alleviate the suffering of the poor and middle class becoming poor. His policies will give more power and capability to parents and local community churches, as things ought to be, per the constitution.

And if they are really compassionate peaceful people that live as Christ advised, they should support him outright because voting for ANY of the 3 other choices will result in the murdering of potentially hundreds of thousands of people that pose no threat to this country. Otherwise, they are Christian in name only, not in action.

Pro Life slim Jim:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/files/ProLifeSlimJim.pdf

Home schoolers:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/files/Homeschoolers%20for%20Paul%20Slim%20Jim.pdf

[Truth Warrior]

" I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -- Mahatma Gandhi

[Captain Shays]

" I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Look,

I understand that you guys dislike Christians but they are a very powerful demographic nonetheless.

Sure there are videos out there that could or should appeal to Christians specifically but none that contain the information that is designed specifically for Christians to attract the votes of Christian conservatives.

One of the main reasons why Ron Paul didn't attract that many Christians compared to a guy like Huckabee is because of the many non Christian supporters who seem hostile to Christians as evidenced by the response of a quote by Ghandi.

I am telling you guys right here and now that Ron Paul has the best possible message for Christians and we can turn this around and its not too late.

When I saw Christians supporting guys like Giulaini and Romney I was perplexed.

But don't blame Christians for being hoodwinked. They are subject to the same methods of propaganda and hoodwinking that conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats have been subjected to.

Consider that modern Republicans and conservatives (some) are supporting globalist elite policies of policing the world, going into war without a declaration or for the UN or both. Allowing the Fed bankers to control our monitary system and drive us into massive debt. Worknig to form a one world government through progressive regionalization and thats the reason why our borders remain unsecured.
Those are all liberal policies yet the Republicans are fighting for them with all their might. So don't blame just Christians for supporting either globalist war mongering, socialist Republicans or globalist war mongering socialist Democrats.

Its just about everyone we know and love who have been subjected to the same things whether through the media or in public schools.

We have one last chance to turn this around.

[p5yph3r]

Here's a YouTube video of Ron Paul and his feelings about using religion for purposes of political expediency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQUkPqLs76Q

[rockandrollsouls]

no it can't. Those religious extremists are wackjobs. Don't know why we are in another country supposedly dealing with radical religion when it's here brainwashing young kids. Sorry, but these people are merging politics and religion. "Jesus would want us to take over the world" these people are NUTS.

[IPSecure]

Invite The Pope To The March?

'Twas listening to a repeat on Ron Paul Revolution Radio, interview was with Greg Lewis (http://www.greglewisforcongress.com/), stated that:

The Pope will be in town, and within earshot on the day of the march!

We should invite the Pope!

Think of the coverage!

Possibly pick up an endorsement?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=128743


This does not mean we cannot "Spread The Message"...

A lot of Christians I know are decent people. This may be due to the fact that they think that there is someone other than the GovernLess watching 24/7....

[tod evans]

no it can't. Those religious extremists are wackjobs. Don't know why we are in another country supposedly dealing with radical religion when it's here brainwashing young kids. Sorry, but these people are merging politics and religion. "Jesus would want us to take over the world" these people are NUTS.

extremist or not a vote is a vote.
personally i find it furthering the cause to accept any and all converts regardless of their religious beliefs.
maybe the religious discussions would have a better venue elsewhere?
it seems from this vantage point that we could use christians, jews or even martians so long as they`re behind r.p.,

[Truth Warrior]

Look,

I understand that you guys dislike Christians but they are a very powerful demographic nonetheless.

Sure there are videos out there that could or should appeal to Christians specifically but none that contain the information that is designed specifically for Christians to attract the votes of Christian conservatives.

One of the main reasons why Ron Paul didn't attract that many Christians compared to a guy like Huckabee is because of the many non Christian supporters who seem hostile to Christians as evidenced by the response of a quote by Ghandi.

I am telling you guys right here and now that Ron Paul has the best possible message for Christians and we can turn this around and its not too late.

When I saw Christians supporting guys like Giulaini and Romney I was perplexed.

But don't blame Christians for being hoodwinked. They are subject to the same methods of propaganda and hoodwinking that conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats have been subjected to.

Consider that modern Republicans and conservatives (some) are supporting globalist elite policies of policing the world, going into war without a declaration or for the UN or both. Allowing the Fed bankers to control our monitary system and drive us into massive debt. Worknig to form a one world government through progressive regionalization and thats the reason why our borders remain unsecured.
Those are all liberal policies yet the Republicans are fighting for them with all their might. So don't blame just Christians for supporting either globalist war mongering, socialist Republicans or globalist war mongering socialist Democrats.

Its just about everyone we know and love who have been subjected to the same things whether through the media or in public schools.

We have one last chance to turn this around.

For me, a key question is, would Jesus be on the side of today's Christians? I kinda doubt it. :(

Thanks!

[StopTheNWO]

" I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -- Mahatma Gandhi

So true! They really are not Christians because they do not model Christ. Call em Biblethumpers or churchy holy rollers.

[tod evans]

So true! They really are not Christians because they do not model Christ. Call em Biblethumpers or churchy holy rollers.

call `em voters!;)

[hawks4ronpaul]

My contribution:

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/2008/01/religious-endorse-ron-paul.html

[RonPaulMania]

For me, a key question is, would Jesus be on the side of today's Christians? I kinda doubt it. :(

Thanks!


While I get your point, you missed the focus on his.

[GoPaul08]

Look,

I understand that you guys dislike Christians but they are a very powerful demographic nonetheless.




I don't think they are as powerful as you think they are. Yes...millions and millions of people are Christian. Millions of people attend mass. But only a very small percentage of these people (even the ones that attend mass regularly) take the Bible that literally to think that it was foretelling the future regarding a one world givernment, etc. That isa very small group of people...and quite frankly, not one that anyone wants on their side. Yes, they add to the numbers, but they also make the message less attractive to the masses.

The last thing you want is people are Ron Paul functions trying to convince potential newcomers that the Earth is 5000 years old and dinosaurs never existed.

[wowabunga]

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The last thing you want is people are Ron Paul functions trying to convince potential newcomers that the Earth is 5000 years old and dinosaurs never existed.

"The end is near...! The big rapture vacuum in the sky will suck us believers up to heaven, leaving the world to fight it out."

And while the "rapture crowd" stands on their hands looking at the sky.... who will go out into the fields today and do the Lord's work? It has come to my attention thru direct participation that the "rapture crowd types" have given up hope for the Earth and are biding time waiting for their ticket to get punched. It's hard for them to see all the "need" around them when their eyes are looking up pleading "Lord take me from this mess".

Sort of like copping out from cleaning my room as a kid... why bother Mom... the end is near. Then I'd get my rear ended.

[idiom]

Hey at least the Rapture will save us from the Illuminati right?

The Christians have no one to vote for other than RP. Believe it or not, freedom can include other people.

[Kludge]

I don't think they are as powerful as you think they are. Yes...millions and millions of people are Christian. Millions of people attend mass. But only a very small percentage of these people (even the ones that attend mass regularly) take the Bible that literally to think that it was foretelling the future regarding a one world givernment, etc. That isa very small group of people...and quite frankly, not one that anyone wants on their side. Yes, they add to the numbers, but they also make the message less attractive to the masses.

The last thing you want is people are Ron Paul functions trying to convince potential newcomers that the Earth is 5000 years old and dinosaurs never existed.

The majority of Americans affiliate themselves with some type of religion... As such, they ARE the masses.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6124/religiousstatsuy1.jpg

You talk as though you didn't know Dr. Paul is Christian. Freedom is a universal message. We're further helped by the fact that he's "Pro-life". Mix that with tolerance and converting Christians is much more easier then other, seemingly more skeptical "groups".

Edit : Fixed chart

[Geckomeister]

"Many shall come to me (Jesus) in that day (of judgement), saying; 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do great works in your name?' "
Jesus replies; "Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness, I never knew you!"

Matthew chapter 7

[TruthAtLast]

While I get your point, you missed the focus on his.

This shouldn't be a religious debate.

It IS a good demographic and I'll all for spreading the message.

My concern is this ENDLESS and STUBBORN belief that McCain can be defeated for this nomination!

If the purpose is to convert more to our cause (which I say cause, I mean the message of Liberty), then I'm all for it, because that is the end goal. But all of the talk about overthrowing the RNC or that we can get bound delegates to go against the rules set up by the GOP themselves and break the law, or that virtually ANY Ron Paul supporters will become National Delegates.... is a waste of time and energy at a time when we should be extending the message, supporting liberty Congressional candidates, and forming plans on how we can win in 4 years.

This "delegate" strategy was ok a month or so ago, but this is friggin insane now.

Do you people even realize that WE are the ones killing our own movement by holding onto these crazy scenarios when we could be laying the groundwork for a real sustainable Movement? Do some of you who claim to respect Ron Paul so much even bother to listen to him? It amazes me how so many "supporters" can't see the big picture here. They can only see two feet in front of their face.

[MGreen]

Too many Republican Christians are faithful to the party and the state first, God and Christ second.

[OptionsTrader]

The majority of Americans affiliate themselves with some type of religion... As such, they ARE the masses.


Most atheists and agnostics are careful to keep their real thoughts in the closet and probably are not completely truthful in polls so as not to be lectured or feel singled out and harassed. I have no idea what the percentage is nationally, but it is about 20% of the people I hang out with.

[GoPaul08]

The majority of Americans affiliate themselves with some type of religion... As such, they ARE the masses.
Edit : Fixed chart


Did you even READ what I said? I said most people consider themselves Christians. But most people do NOT take the Bible literally. Those people are NOt the masses, and you will not help matters if you affiliate yourself with the very small minority of people who DO take the Bible literally.

Most Christians do not think that the earth is the center of the universe, and was created in 6 days, etc. Most believe in the Big Bang, but think that a higher force (God) caused it.

As I said...the last thing you want to do is make it seem like Ron Paul supporters don't believe in Evolution. No one will ever listen to you again if that happens.

[Edu]

A lot of christians think that the constitution was an inspired document. So RP should be their choice over any others.

[Join The Paul Side]

I just love how many Ron Paul Supporters who aren't Christians constantly mock the faith and bash it's believers, all while the man that they have followed so passionately and have sacrificed their time and money for is indeed a Bible believing Christian himself.

This proves to me that we do not have an idiot shortage in this country so there is no need to panic. ;)

[constituent]

For me, a key question is, would Jesus be on the side of today's Christians? I kinda doubt it. :(

Thanks!

wtf does that have to do w/ getting them to vote or not vote RP?

you're just being a jerk.

[Truth Warrior]

wtf does that have to do w/ getting them to vote or not vote RP?

you're just being a jerk.

Since it was a reply to someone else, it seems that you may be the jerk. Grow up!:p

[nate895]

I don't think they are as powerful as you think they are. Yes...millions and millions of people are Christian. Millions of people attend mass. But only a very small percentage of these people (even the ones that attend mass regularly) take the Bible that literally to think that it was foretelling the future regarding a one world givernment, etc. That isa very small group of people...and quite frankly, not one that anyone wants on their side. Yes, they add to the numbers, but they also make the message less attractive to the masses.

The last thing you want is people are Ron Paul functions trying to convince potential newcomers that the Earth is 5000 years old and dinosaurs never existed.

They are 20% of the vote according to the 2006 exit polls. That isn't a group to simply ignore.