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03-13-2008, 01:55 PM

Ron Paul Roundup (03-13-08)
by RS Davis
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Hello Freedomphiles! Let’s start today’s Roundup with some news about the presidential campaign. USAToday reports (http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/ron-paul-no-its.html):

Moments ago on CNN’s American Morning, Rep. Ron Paul had this to say about his campaign for the White House: "No, no, it’s not over."

The Republican congressman conceded that he’s not going to get the GOP presidential nomination, but said he will continue to seek votes in upcoming primaries in a bid to win more delegates and have some influence on the campaign debate.

KCRG out of Iowa also weighs in (http://www.kcrg.com/explorepolitics/?feed=bim&id=16503921):

Speaking to CNN Monday, Paul said that while the numbers give him a "slim" chance, he would honor his supporters and the message of his candidacy by continuing the campaign into the remaining primary states.

"I feel more or less obligated because their might be 30,000 volunteers in Pennsylvania waiving signs and I don’t feel good about walking away from them," said Paul.

Paul stated that the campaign went farther than he could have ever imagined, but that ultimately, his mission had higher aims than just the presidency.

"If you’re in a campaign for only gaining power that is one thing, if your in a campaign to influence ideas and the future of the country, then the campaign is never over."

Here’s the clip to which they refer:


Justin Gardner writes (http://donklephant.com/2008/03/11/ron-paulwhat-happened/) on Donkelephant a response to the reason piece (http://reason.com/news/show/124915.html) I told you about last time we were together:

I feel for the Paulites. I really do. The Dean campaign gave so many people so much hope and then it just imploded right before our eyes. The same thing happened in a less dramatic fashion for Paul, although I would say that the newsletter controversy pushed a lot of people away from him. More than many Paulties would like to admit.

However, where Dean and Paul’s stories differ is it’s obvious that Ron won’t become the RNC chair. In fact, it’s extremely likely that the most he can hope for is he’ll win his seat in Congress and maybe run for President in another four years. It would be a shame to see him become the perennial candidate, but I think that’s where it’s headed. Another Nader-like figure who had a chance at really being part of the debate, but instead chose to not challenge his party with a national campaign. There’s nothing to suggest otherwise.

Oh, and he’ll start getting paid to be a speaker. That’s inevitable. So the Paulites will essentially continue to give him money in one form or another and the "movement" will end, not with a bang, but with a digital whimper.

Mr Gardner, I think you underestimate us. From my dealings with the readers of the Roundup, the impression I am getting is that the rEVOLution is mostly very realistic about this, and we are already moving away from the win the presidency at any cost strategy to a more long-term effort. This rEVOLution will not end with a bang or a whimper, but with cheers of victory.

In more unpleasant news, the media is jumping all over a story about a racist in the delegate pool. Picked up by both The Florida Times-Union (http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/031208/D8VC28PO1.shtml)and Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8VC1K901.html), the AP’s Erik Schelzig reports:

A self-described white nationalist earned nearly 12,000 votes in Tennessee last month as a candidate to represent Ron Paul at the Republican National Convention.

Will Williams, who told The Associated Press he’s "pro-white," was an early organizer for the Texas congressman’s campaign in northeast Tennessee.

Williams, of Mountain City, said he had no direct contact with Paul about his views before he was approved by the campaign to join the slate of 21 statewide candidates to be convention delegates.

A campaign spokesman says officials didn’t know of Williams’ beliefs and that Paul wants nothing to do with him.

Oooh, shocking. So, some random guy Ron Paul has never met happens to be a racist. Big deal.

Top-diamond libertarian Fred writes (http://www.nolanchart.com/article3167.html) on The Nolan Chart about Ron Paul and gay marriage:

Ron Paul has been this elections champion of human-rights. He has pushed forward the banner of liberty on many fronts. He is usually the first candidate to speak about the value of human liberties.

Dr. Paul has the wrong answer when it comes to gay rights. He wants to leave the issue of gay marriage to the state governments. As a libertarian, I applaud his stance that the federal government should not pass the defense against marriage act. I certainly agree with the sentiment that marriage should not be the governments business. Marriage should be a contract between consenting adults and not something that the government has any right to grant or deny.

Paul does not continue to stand up for the rights of the individuals, on this subject. Paul instead believes that the states should be able to determine who gets a marriage license...

...Our government needs to treat all people equally. If our government issues or accepts marriage licenses, it must give them to all adults who apply. It is never the responsibility of any federal, state, county, or city government to discriminate against its own citizens.

I totally agree with Fred on this, but would take it one step further and say that the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment and the "full faith and credit" clause requires the federal government to intervene on behalf of gays and polygamists. It’s one of the few instances where I don’t believe the states are better equipped to decide an issue.

Top-diamond libertarian Jeff Wrobel writes (http://www.nolanchart.com/article3132.html)on The Nolan Chart his idea for a successor to Ron Paul:

In the spirit of Dr. Paul’s request, it is time to choose his successor. It’s time to choose a candidate who can avoid the pitfalls of the Ron Paul candidacy. As discussed in a previous NolanChart article, Paul’s followers should sponsor a moderate libertarian celebrity for president. In the following mathematical model, I will prove that if Paul’s supporters place Jesse Ventura on the ballot, he will be the next president of the United States.

First: an introduction for those unfamiliar with Jesse Ventura. He’s 56 years old and is a former Navy Seal. He became famous as Jesse "The Body" Ventura in the World Wrestling Federation. He used his success there to become an actor. His most famous role was as a member of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s crack commando team in the movie Predator, where he uttered his most memorable line: "I ain’t got time to bleed." In 1998 he ran (as Jesse "The Mind" Ventura) against very well-known candidates, Republican Norm Coleman and Democrat Hubert Humphrey III, for governor of Minnesota -- and Ventura won!

Jesse Ventura could be placed at about the center of the Libertarian quadrant of the Nolan Chart. He describes himself as "fiscally conservative and socially liberal". Like most libertarians he supports a smaller government in general, lower taxes, gay rights, medicinal marijuana, instant-runoff voting, opposes helmet and seatbelt laws, opposes the use of the National Guard overseas, and opposed the teachers union. In a few areas he disagrees with pure libertarians; for instance, he approves of well-funded government-run lower education and government-run public transportation.

Ventura can avoid most of the troubles that befell Ron Paul. First, Ventura is taken somewhat seriously by the media since he has actually served in a high public executive office (as both a mayor and governor) and has considerable media experience with his own radio and TV talk shows. Second, and most importantly, he is not as radical a libertarian as Ron Paul, so he’ll appeal more to liberals, centrists, and conservatives. Third, he is not nearly as old as Ron Paul, has an imposing 6’ 4" frame, and (no disrespect to the very honorable Dr. Paul) has a fair deal of charisma.

It’s an interesting idea, to be sure. I do like Jesse, although after reading his books, I think he is a little egotistical. I’ll reserve judgement on this one.

Top-diamond libertarian Nelson Hultberg writes (http://www.nolanchart.com/article3139.html) on The Nolan Chart that the rEVOLution should continue in a 3rd party:

Contrary to present thinking, this evil cannot be ended by trying to vote "more conservative" Republicans into Congress. Those that we manage to elect eventually cave in to the system just like their predecessors. Very few possess the integrity to become Ron Pauls, and those that do gradually get worn down, give up, and return to the private sector. This is the nature of the beast we created in 1913 and the nature of humans.

What I will try to show in the rest of this essay is that the evil of our present political system cannot be ended by changing Republican behavior. It can only be ended by changing the tax and monetary systems that lie at the root of the contemptible "vote buying" that the system’s participants partake in. As we will soon see, this can only be done from without, from a third party that is not tied to perpetuating the system.

I agree that the Republican Party may be too far gone, but I don’t think we need to pick any party, honestly. This rEVOLution isn’t about getting any party in power - it’s about getting people elected who will promote free markets, small government, and peace. I could give two shits whether the person is from the Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Goat Fucker Party. If they promote liberty, I promote them.

And finally, to keep with the future theme, Gigi Bowman writes (http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=6537) on Op-Ed News that Ron Paul has already won:

Dr. Paul has won.

There are men and women all over the country running for office on the "Paulite" platform.

It is as he said all along.....it’s about the message.

He has awoken the ’dead’, the apathetic, the zombies, the sheep.....and there are 106,211 Ron Paul supporters in meet-up. Countless more that are not in meet-up. He has won because all over the country people are going to Republican meetings and joining committees and running in Congress and Senate.

THIS is the "win"! Ron Paul is MORE than a man who would be President. He is a movement of freedom and peace and a return to the country of our forefathers. A return to the Constitution.

This movement and message does not end with 1,191 delegates.....it has only just begun. Ron Paul needs to be duplicated in congress.
Agreed. I am trying to do my part. Look tomorrow for the first in a series of interviews with rEVOLution candidates. Tomorrow, I should be featuring Hawaiian candidate Daniel Brackens. See you here!

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Larry Lee
03-13-2008, 07:25 PM
Absolutely right. Getting us to focus on the number of delegates needed is like hypnotizing someone with the tip of your pen so they will sign a contract. They teach this stuff in classes. Here is how to dupe 90% of the population -- show them a meaningless tally of delegates and get them to think they are thereby in charge of who will be the next president. Holy Smokes.
Another ball out of the park for RSDavis.

03-13-2008, 08:14 PM
buuuump ~.^

03-14-2008, 09:25 PM
I thought that Ron Paul was of the opinion that no level of government had the right to legislate marrage (except in regards to polygamy and the underage, possibly only the latter of those two). Marrage was traditionally a function of church and government was not involved at all in this process. The only reason they GOT involved in the first place was because of health reasons.

He would ban all attempts to refine marriage at all on the Federal level not because it's the right of the states to decide but because it's not the right of ANY goverment to decide. By appointing constitutional judges to the bench, it appears to me that the proper recourse to a state banning it is not through the federal system but by taking it to the supreme court and having it tossed out there?

That's how I interpreted his stance. Hilary is a dodger I doubt she would do one blessed thing to help out homosexuals with gay marrage and she sure as hell would NEVER veto a marrage amendment act if such a thing ever made it to the president's desk.