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CurtisLow
08-17-2007, 08:45 PM
It's a war crime but the US always justifies the need for such weapons. BS!

DEPLETED URANIUM IN THE HUMAN BODY: Sr Rosalie Bertell, PhD

Part 1 - Epidemiologist Sr. Rosalie Bertell (PhD, biometrics)explains the effects of the the weaponized use of DU on the population of the planet, and especially on the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East. In subsequent parts of this series, Dr. Bertell offers readily-accessible ways to detox some heavy metals and poisons from the body.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgQ79-oDX2o




DOUG ROKKE IN 2003 IN ROCHESTER, NY at a VFW post.

Maj. Doug Rokke, PhD, was tasked to do the 1991 Gulf War clean-up of 'depleted uranium' - DU -- for the U.S. Army. Here he speaks to veterans and anti-war activists. Rokke exposes the US military's total indifference to the fate of not only the Iraqi people, b ut also to the men and women in the US military and the rest of the world. Rokke was told to lie by his superiors about the harmful effects of DU while he himself and his military comrades were sick and dying of DU poisoning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvIqhVnaalo



Military Commissions Act 2006

The Military Commissions Act and the Warner Defense Act, signed into law October, 2006 give G.W. Bush and his successors full police state powers, doing away with the Constitution, trashing habeas corpus and retroactively absolving torturers of their crimes. Anyone can be declared an “unlawful enemy combatant” and dispatched by a military commission. The definition of ‘enemy combatant’ is “extremely broad and arbitrary.” This video leaflet uses text from the Center for Constitutional Rights, the Bill of Rights Defense Ctte, the ACLU, and Amnesty International.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v32O_TwsXEY

fluoridatedbrainsoup
08-17-2007, 09:12 PM
This stuff is so nasty that soldiers can bring home trace amounts in their sperm and eradicate wombs. Not to mention babies.

CurtisLow
08-18-2007, 03:58 PM
Just think of all the innocent people in the war zone. It's sick to think about..

I would be afraid just to handle the ammunition as a soldier. I wonder if the boxes are labeled with a warning? Probably not...


Study Claims Iraq's 'Excess' Death Toll Has Reached 655,000 This was in October 11, 2006;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

The said death toll of Iraqis people is at over a million people so far.



AMERICA'S WORST CRIME / UNSEEN DEATH TOLL OF IRAQI CHILDREN
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Man from La Mancha
08-18-2007, 04:21 PM
Terrible, terrible stuff. I highly urge those people coming back from areas that are using DU to do a google search on "Du detox"

http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=69 ........forum on du detox and DU

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20050826.htm....some suggestions

http://www.radiationdetox.com/index.htm .......book on it

jasonhlasvegas
08-19-2007, 10:23 AM
I have been making radiation safety dvds for about two years, and my father has a PhD in radiochemistry. The DU controversy is overblown in my opinion. The radiation coming from DU is not great enough to be considered the hazard that people like Doug Rokke make it out to be. The greatest danger is the chemical toxicity of the substance. You have to go to great lengths to poison yourself with the stuff, such as ingesting or inhaling great quantities. The small doses that Iraqi civilians and US soldiers come in contact with aren't sufficient enough to be concerned about. The human body does a great job of clearing the toxins out. Think of the danger from DU as the same danger posed by lead. We ban lead from paint, and make sure our children do not play with toys contaminated with lead, but we still use lead on a daily basis for a variety of different industrial and commercial applications.

CurtisLow
08-19-2007, 11:26 AM
Still how safe is it when your getting shot with it? It just adds to the drama and when its banned in war time use and the US still uses it, just makes you wonder what other laws or inhumane warfare is going on. And yes all war is inhumane.
The US should still not use 'depleted uranium' as weapons.

constituent
08-19-2007, 12:19 PM
my grandpa handled some radioactive material mid last century and lived to be almost 65. cigarettes got him.

ShaneC
08-19-2007, 12:53 PM
I would be afraid just to handle the ammunition as a soldier. I wonder if the boxes are labeled with a warning? Probably not...



To the best of my knowledge, no, they are not labeled with a warning.

I was talking to a former Naval Weapons guy (retired) and back in the day, when they started using Depleted Uranium, there initially was not a warning. Later, it was deemed that a warning was justified. The weapons loaders then refused to handle the ammo, as it was labeled as being unsafe. The labels were then promptly removed.

This is all hearsay, and I can't back it up, just relaying a story I've been told.

Man from La Mancha
08-19-2007, 05:33 PM
I have been making radiation safety dvds for about two years, and my father has a PhD in radiochemistry. The DU controversy is overblown in my opinion. The radiation coming from DU is not great enough to be considered the hazard that people like Doug Rokke make it out to be. The greatest danger is the chemical toxicity of the substance. You have to go to great lengths to poison yourself with the stuff, such as ingesting or inhaling great quantities. The small doses that Iraqi civilians and US soldiers come in contact with aren't sufficient enough to be concerned about. The human body does a great job of clearing the toxins out. Think of the danger from DU as the same danger posed by lead. We ban lead from paint, and make sure our children do not play with toys contaminated with lead, but we still use lead on a daily basis for a variety of different industrial and commercial applications.

When a DU shell hits a tank some of the DU released is in particles smaller than a wave length of light. so small it can float in the winds for weeks, so small there is no mask that can filter it out. As a chemical like lead it may not add up to much. Its radiation is low and can go only a few centimeters and not even thru paper. BUT when lodged deep inside of any cell in the body it is next to the molecules that hold our cells together and although releases radiation very slowly, it is still releasing some. Our bodies can repair the normally small amounts that we would get exposed to but that amount can be 100's times higher in people working around it and still many times higher for us that breath the winds.

""The energy of a single alpha particle, never mind the gamma, the heaviest penetrating rays known to science - is more than the amount required to damage important macromolecules (the glue that holds us together) such as DNA, RNA, enzymes and proteins. It does this by breaking molecular bonds and chemical reactions, which alter or destroy the shape, organization and function of these essential life sustaining molecules. DU particles have the capacity to penetrate, corrode, crack and break down the building bricks of human life within the body, through generating cancer. It can kill, slowly and undetectably at first, with the effects of DU invisible for the first 4 years of exposure.

According to Dr Durakovic, a former US army colonel and current professor of medicine, in the course of one year, 1 milligram of uranium emits 390 million alpha particles, 780 million beta particles and associated gamma rays. This is over one billion high-energy, ionizing, radioactive particles and rays which can produce extensive biological damage–biological warfare fought out across the inner terrains of the human body: attacking the ovaries, lungs, lymph nodes, kidneys, breast, blood, bones, brain, stomach and fetuses. ""
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jasonhlasvegas
08-26-2007, 04:53 PM
When a DU shell hits a tank some of the DU released is in particles smaller than a wave length of light. so small it can float in the winds for weeks, so small there is no mask that can filter it out. As a chemical like lead it may not add up to much. Its radiation is low and can go only a few centimeters and not even thru paper. BUT when lodged deep inside of any cell in the body it is next to the molecules that hold our cells together and although releases radiation very slowly, it is still releasing some. Our bodies can repair the normally small amounts that we would get exposed to but that amount can be 100's times higher in people working around it and still many times higher for us that breath the winds.

""The energy of a single alpha particle, never mind the gamma, the heaviest penetrating rays known to science - is more than the amount required to damage important macromolecules (the glue that holds us together) such as DNA, RNA, enzymes and proteins. It does this by breaking molecular bonds and chemical reactions, which alter or destroy the shape, organization and function of these essential life sustaining molecules. DU particles have the capacity to penetrate, corrode, crack and break down the building bricks of human life within the body, through generating cancer. It can kill, slowly and undetectably at first, with the effects of DU invisible for the first 4 years of exposure.

According to Dr Durakovic, a former US army colonel and current professor of medicine, in the course of one year, 1 milligram of uranium emits 390 million alpha particles, 780 million beta particles and associated gamma rays. This is over one billion high-energy, ionizing, radioactive particles and rays which can produce extensive biological damage–biological warfare fought out across the inner terrains of the human body: attacking the ovaries, lungs, lymph nodes, kidneys, breast, blood, bones, brain, stomach and fetuses. ""
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It really depends on the dose. The dose is the key. Water can kill you if you drink enough of it. The human body can eliminate DU particles as waste within a very short time. You have to remember that all life on earth is exposed to a continual dose of background radiation. We have evolved natural defense mechanisms against such damage.

d'anconia
08-26-2007, 09:21 PM
The reason I don't buy this argument is that we never really did much tank-destroying this time around. In fact I doubt we've even shot any tanks with this sort of stuff for years now... we're fighting people who use IEDs and other stuff but not tanks.

MicroBalrog
08-27-2007, 02:34 AM
Still how safe is it when your getting shot with it?/QUOTE]

Curtis, the primary use of Depleted Uranium is in anti-tank rounds and other armor-piercing rounds to kill enemy tanks, APC's, and so forth. There is very limited use in anti-personnel munitions.


DU is a very hard (what's the professional term, English-speakers?) and heavy metal. As such, it excels as a penetrator. It is also used in armoring US tanks.

Furthere, there IS no international law prohibition (and intrernational law in general is BS, but that's another can of worms) on the use of DU in war.

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_Uranium#Legal_status_in_weapons


Also from the Wiki:

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Depleted uranium is not a significant health hazard unless it is taken into the body. External exposure to radiation from depleted uranium is generally not a major concern because the alpha particle emitted by its isotopes travel only a few centimeters in air or can be stopped by a sheet of paper. Also, the uranium-235 that remains in depleted uranium emits only a small amount of low-energy gamma radiation. According to the World Health Organization, a radiation dose from it would be about 60% of that from purified natural uranium with the same mass. Approximately 90 µg (micrograms) of natural uranium, on average, exist in the human body as a result of normal intakes of water, food and air. The majority of this is found in the skeleton, with the rest in various organs and tissues.

The radiological dangers of pure depleted uranium are relatively low, lower (60%) than those of naturally-occurring uranium due to the removal of the more radioactive isotopes, as well as due to its long half-life (4.46 billion years). Depleted uranium differs from natural uranium in its isotopic composition, but its biochemistry is for the most part the same..

On the other hand, DU burns easily when it hits, and the fumes are very highly toxic. It is no different, and perhaps worse, then breathing lead fumes.

LibertyOfOne
08-27-2007, 08:34 AM
Not only do you get radiation from the environment, but you also have particles present in your body that emit radiation. Take carbon 14 for example. Your body contains this substance which can also be found in the air, water, and soil. It has a shorter half life than DU. Potassium 40 is another radioactive substance that can be found in the body. If you want to shock somebody who is eating a banana, hold a Geiger counter up to it. Hehe http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/167212_radiation01.html

The health effects of DU have to do with the fact that it is a heavy metal. It is not very energetic in terms of radio activity being that it gives up its energy over a long period of time.

Man from La Mancha
08-27-2007, 08:38 AM
Not only do you get radiation from the environment, but you also have particles present in your body that emit radiation. Take carbon 14 for example. Your body contains this substance which can also be found in the air, water, and soil. It has a shorter half life than DU. Potassium 40 is another radioactive substance that can be found in the body. If you want to shock somebody who is eating a banana, hold a Geiger counter up to it. Hehe http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/167212_radiation01.html

The health effects of DU have to do with the fact that it is a heavy metal. It is not very energetic in terms of radio activity being that it gives up its energy over a long period of time.Ageed that radiation is around us at normal levels but we are talking about a vastly larger exposure than normal especially for people near the use of these weapons.

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