To prevent an economic collapse and a WWIII, US must...

[cageybee]

IMHO, start buying lots of Rubles while they are cheap and encourage American citizens to do the same, since Ruble will most likely become the world currency and will appreciate in value very much soon. Once we buy lots of Rubles while they are cheap, we should get out of Iraq ASAP and let Ruble become the world currency. This way, we will hedge against all possible losses the US dollar could have. And instead, we would gain massive capital once the Ruble will appreciate. This is much better than fighting the Ruble.

[OptionsTrader]

lol

[cageybee]

i guess i am going to be banned for this :)

[Banana]

Jumping from dollars to rubles is kinda like jumping from a leaky dinghy to a leaky galleon.

[IChooseLiberty]

i guess i am going to be banned for this :)

It's time for the...

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[IPSecure]

To prevent an economic collapse and a WWIII, US must...

* Elect Dr. Ron Paul As President.
* Get Rid Of The Federal Reserve
* End Unconstitutional Wars
* Fix The Worthless Currency
* Use The Oil In Alaska
* Stop Illegal Immigration
* etc...

[cageybee]

Jumping from dollars to rubles is kinda like jumping from a leaky dinghy to a leaky galleon.

Ruble and Swiss Frank right now are the strongest; however, swiss frank is dependent on Europe's economy while Europe's economy just like Japanese economy depends on US economy. Ruble, however, is independent, because Russian economy is not dependent on dollar economy or foreign energy, and, therefore, will not be affected by the US economic crash.

Medvedev will probably soon state that they will no longer be accepting US dollars for their energy and will be asking for Rubles only. This will crash USD completely and will make Ruble a world reserve currency.

[aravoth]

Ruble and Swiss Frank right now are the strongest; however, swiss frank is dependent on Europe's economy while Europe's economy just like Japanese economy depends on US economy. Ruble, however, is independent, because Russian economy is not dependent on dollar economy or foreign energy, and, therefore, will not be affected by the US economic crash.

Medvedev will probably soon state that they will no longer be accepting US dollars for their energy and will be asking for Rubles only. This will crash USD completely and will make Ruble a world reserve currency.

lol, you're funny

[cageybee]

lol, you're funny

how is it funny? Russia wants to make Ruble a world currency. US is trying to prevent Russia from doing so. Why???

Buy gazilions of Rubles while they are cheap, then help Russia become a world power and let Ruble become a world currency. Ruble will appreciate hugely and USA will be VERY VERY VERY rich country and there will be peace.

Instead, we are listening to Zionists who want to start a WWIII.

[Sandra]

I'm reading up on local currencies right now. Privatized currencies look to be sustainable in the event of economic collapse.

[aravoth]

how is it funny? Russia wants to make Ruble a world currency. US is trying to prevent Russia from doing so. Why???

Buy gazilions of Rubles while they are cheap, then help Russia become a world power and let Ruble become a world currency. Ruble will appreciate hugely and USA will be VERY VERY VERY rich country and there will be peace.

Instead, we are listening to Zionists who want to start a WWIII.

You and New Governor of Alaska must be bedfellows. Both of you Russian Nationalistic turdstars drive me crazy. The cold war may be over, But Russia is still a shithole in my eyes.

[cageybee]

You and New Governor of Alaska must be bedfellows. Both of you Russian Nationalistic turdstars drive me crazy. The cold war may be over, But Russia is still a shithole in my eyes.

so, you think a WWIII is a solution?

[aravoth]

so, you think a WWIII is a solution?

I think a better solution would be for you and the rest of the goofballs on here spewing your socilistic dribble laced with communistic mumurings could shut your mouths and find another movement to infect.

[raystone]

according to the March '08 OECD, rates 100 countries on leading economic indicators, only Brazil and Russia are showing expansion at this time. U.S. is not looking good.

[cageybee]

I think a better solution would be for you and the rest of the goofballs on here spewing your socilistic dribble laced with communistic mumurings could shut your mouths and find another movement to infect.

you sound like a nationalistic (nazi) totalitarian.

a true libertarian should be able to provide constructive criticism based on an independent view, and not brush people off by "stfu"

unlike you, i have an immense experience. my experience is multi-cultural, multi-national, multi-political, and multi-lingual. besides that, i study geopolitics, foreign relations, economics, history, religion, and i read all world and business news from various international sources every day. in addition, i have 8 years of USAF military service in financial management.

what's your point?

[Luft97]

You and New Governor of Alaska must be bedfellows. Both of you Russian Nationalistic turdstars drive me crazy. The cold war may be over, But Russia is still a shithole in my eyes.

What do you have against the Russian people? Why shoot down someone who is trying to have a discussion on possible safe havens for money? People with your attitude are the problem sir, not the ones offering information and ideas.

[aravoth]

you sound like a nationalistic (nazi) totalitarian.

a true libertarian should be able to provide constructive criticism based on an independent view, and not brush people off by "stfu"

unlike you, i have an immense experience. my experience is multi-cultural, multi-national, multi-political, and multi-lingual. besides that, i study geopolitics, foreign relations, economics, history, and religion. in addition, i have 8 years of USAF military service in financial management.

what's your point?

I don't owe you anything, I certainly don't owe your views any respect. I also don't care about your educational backround. I am nationalistic, and I'm tired of putting up with bullshit like yours on this site. I couldn't care less if every other nation on earth caught on fire and burnt to the ground. Least of all Russia. You think that if I wasn't nationalistic I'd have even enough pride to be a part of this whole movement?

Typical commie bullshit tatics, take a word and skew the meaning. All of the sudden being "nationalistic" is bad thing. Like loving your country is a shitty thing to do. I am not tolerant, piss off. I hate socialists, I'm not open minded, communists piss me off. You're all f***ing crazy as hell. I don't give a damn what anyone does in thier own life, becuase I'm not resposible for it. I don't respect opposing viewpoints like yours and several other members of this board becuase they are complete bullshit. I don't care about your military service, I am a veteran, but at least I had the balls to be on the ground with a rifle in my arms, I didn't hide under a desk.

By the way, I'm not a libertarian, so pick another worthless collectivist identifier to plaster next to my name you pathetic segregationist.

[cageybee]

I don't owe you anything, I certainly don't owe your views any respect. I also don't care about your educational backround. I am nationalistic, and I'm tired of putting up with bullshit like yours on this site. I couldn't care less if every other nation on earth caught on fire and burnt to the ground. Least of all Russia. You think that if I wasn't nationalistic I'd have even enough pride to be a part of this whole movement?

Typical commie bullshit tatics, take a word and skew the meaning. All of the sudden being "nationalistic" is bad thing. Like loving your country is a shitty thing to do. I am not tolerant, piss off. I hate socialists, I'm not open minded, communists piss me off. You're all f***ing crazy as hell. I don't give a damn what anyone does in thier own life, becuase I'm not resposible for it. I don't respect opposing viewpoints like yours and several other members of this board becuase they are complete bullshit. I don't care about your military service, I am a veteran, but at least I had the balls to be on the ground with a rifle in my arms, I didn't hide under a desk.

By the way, I'm not a libertarian, so pick another worthless collectivist identifier to plaster next to my name you pathetic segregationist.

sorry, i'll stop commenting on this board.

[Luft97]

... I am nationalistic, and I'm tired of putting up with bullshit like yours on this site....By the way, I'm not a libertarian, so pick another worthless collectivist identifier to plaster next to my name you pathetic segregationist.

Your post is confusing man.. First you say you are a nationalist.

Nationalism is a term referring to a doctrine or political movement, usually defined in terms of ethnicity.

Then you call someone else a segregationist...

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

Just chill no reason to have so much drama, if you don't like what someone has to say on a subject debate it or stay out of the thread. We don't need a confused internet bully making him self look foolish.. :rolleyes:

[Dr.3D]

Ouch!

[aravoth]

Your post is confusing man.. First you say you are a nationalist.

Nationalism is a term referring to a doctrine or political movement, usually defined in terms of ethnicity.

Then you call someone else a segregationist...

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

Just chill no reason to have so much drama, if you don't like what someone has to say on a subject debate it or stay out of the thread. We don't need a confused internet bully making him self look foolish.. :rolleyes:

Or you could open a dictionary, or an encyclopedia. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nationalism/

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism

country not ethinicity.
There I made it easy for you. You see one mention of Skin color in there? And I'll say whatever the hell I want, thanks.

[Luft97]

Your first link there validates my claim. Try reading it first. Maybe you should remove it so you don't look even more foolish.

(1) raises questions about the concept of nation (or national identity), which is often defined in terms of common origin, ethnicity, or cultural ties, and while an individual’s membership in a nation is often regarded as involuntary, it is sometimes regarded as voluntary.

[aravoth]

Your first link there validates my claim. Try reading it first. Maybe you should remove it so you don't look even more foolish.

Ahh I see, so of the two possible philosophical definetitions, the second would be the one you'd identify with.

[Banana]

and regarding the OP, my analogy still stands.

Paper money is still paper money, whether it's valued more or not.

[aravoth]

Your first link there validates my claim. Try reading it first. Maybe you should remove it so you don't look even more foolish.

(1) raises questions about the concept of nation (or national identity), which is often defined in terms of common origin, ethnicity, or cultural ties, and while an individual’s membership in a nation is often regarded as involuntary, it is sometimes regarded as voluntary.

little quick on the draw there right pal? Or have you not learned to read more than a paragraph yet.

[Luft97]

Ahh I see, so of the two possible philosophical definetitions, the second would be the one you'd identify with.

List me 5 Nationalist groups that are not based on segregation or ethnicity. I can sure name 10 that are.

[Cowlesy]

Ahh I see, so of the two possible philosophical definetitions, the second would be the one you'd identify with.

I just watched your "Stop Dreaming" --- I miss those earlier days of the movement and the board when we were focused on Ron and freedom.

Thanks for keeping it in your signature.

[cageybee]

Or you could open a dictionary, or an encyclopedia. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nationalism/

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism

There I made it easy for you. You see one mention of Skin color in there? And I'll say whatever the hell I want, thanks.

people like you are the reason why RP Revolution lost. instead of providing people with analysis and helping people make correct decisions, you just yell that RP is right and no one should argue that and bring up any concerns. people thought of RP supporters as if we are crazy stupid mannerless fanatics without an independent view and full of propaganda.

Nazism is rising in America. When you have described yourself to me - you have portrayed a true Nazi who wants all other nations burned to the ground and only the "third reich", the master race to have a great life.

[Luft97]

Nationalists see nations as an inclusive categorization of human beings - assigning every individual to one specific nation. In fact, nationalism sees most human activity as national in character. Nations have national symbols, a national culture, a national music and national literature; national folklore, a national mythology and - in some cases - a national religion. Individuals share national values and a national identity, admire the national hero, eat the national dish and play the national sport.

Nationalists define individual nations on the basis of certain criteria, which distinguish one nation from another; and determine who is a member of each nation. These criteria typically include a shared language, culture, and/or shared values which are predominantly represented within a specific ethnic group. National identity refers both to these defining criteria, and to the shared heritage of each group. Membership in a nation is usually involuntary and determined by birth. Individual nationalisms vary in their degree of internal uniformity: some are monolithic, and tolerate little variance from the national norms. Academic nationalism theory emphasizes that national identity is contested, reflecting differences in region, class, gender, and language or dialect. A recent development is the idea of a national core culture, in Germany the Leitkultur, which emphasizes a minimal set of non-negotiable values: this is primarily a strategy of cultural assimilation in response to immigration.

I'm not going to play your game all night. I have never heard anyone refer to themself as a nationalist without having a segregationist mindset. Try and backpeddle all you want. Your just mad cause you made a fool of yourself and you were called out on it. Save face and move on.

[IChooseLiberty]

The nationalist Germans supported Hitler. The patriotic Germans spoke out and stood against him.

[Cowlesy]

Do any of you guys bashing Aravoth have any freakin' clue what he did to help jumpstart this movement, especially on this board and on the internet as a whole??

Dec. 2007, Dec. 2007, Jan. 2008 --- so I guess not most likely.

Before you go into a flame war, why don't you watch some of his videos --- some of the highest viewed pro Ron Paul videos on the internet.

He has been an integral member of this movement and especially on Ron Paul Forums. Those tired and old definitions of "nationalist" as being "white nationalist" or whatever-nationalist you want is getting real tiresome.

I am for America first. I think the best way for America to be admired and respected again is to support Ron Paul's foreign policy of non-interventionism. Jefferson was spot on with this one.

If that makes me a Nationalist, than I am a Nationalist.

[clouds]

let's try to accept things in the spirit they were offered, not slice and dice the meaning of words. what's right for mccain might not be what's right for us~

Anyway, cageybee, I don't see why you care about this movement so much. It's exactly the opposite of what you endorse, and you consistently argue against the exact ideas we espouse. The reason we don't care about what you have to say is because it's the same thing every socialist/communist country has said as an excuse. "The idea is really great, it's just the people wouldn't cooperate!" Well, no duh. Not everyone agrees on everything, and to think people will somehow all agree to lose their rights for your perfect world of drones is foolish. You and I both know it will come to millions dying just like every other time. Let it be. Let it be.

[aravoth]

I'm not going to play your game all night. I have never heard anyone refer to themself as a nationalist without having a segregationist mindset. Try and backpeddle all you want. Your just mad cause you made a fool of yourself and you were called out on it. Save face and move on.

1. What is a Nation?
1.1 The Basic Concept of Nationalism
Although the term “nationalism” has a variety of meanings, it centrally encompasses the two phenomena noted at the outset: (1) the attitude that the members of a nation have when they care about their identity as members of that nation and (2) the actions that the members of a nation take in seeking to achieve (or sustain) some form of political sovereignty. (See for example, Nielsen 1998-99: 9.) Each of these aspects requires elaboration. (1) raises questions about the concept of nation or national identity, about what it is to belong to a nation and about how much one ought to care about one's nation. Nations and national identity may be defined in terms of common origin, ethnicity, or cultural ties, and while an individual's membership in the nation is often regarded as involuntary, it is sometimes regarded as voluntary.



I'll admit, it is somewhat humerous to see a person like you take something as simple as National Pride, and National identity and perevert it into something you got drilled into your head in our finest public school systems.

Nationalism "may" be defined in terms of ethnicity, it may be defined in terms of what angle you clip your friggan toe nails. You know exactly what I was referring to, and you took an assinine stance. Further more, I wasn't even talking to your sorry ass when you jump in here against your own advice and got involved in a conversation you should have kept out of.

[Luft97]

Do any of you guys bashing Aravoth have any freakin' clue what he did to help jumpstart this movement, especially on this board and on the internet as a whole??

Dec. 2007, Dec. 2007, Jan. 2008 --- so I guess not most likely.

Before you go into a flame war, why don't you watch some of his videos --- some of the highest viewed pro Ron Paul videos on the internet.

He has been an integral member of this movement and especially on Ron Paul Forums. Those tired and old definitions of "nationalist" as being "white nationalist" or whatever-nationalist you want is getting real tiresome.

I am for America first. I think the best way for America to be admired and respected again is to support Ron Paul's foreign policy of non-interventionism. Jefferson was spot on with this one.

If that makes me a Nationalist, than I am a Nationalist.

I am defending a guy who simply made a post about possible economic shelters for money with possible outcomes from an economic collapse and got flamed hardcore by a childish punk. Who cares what he has done?

So what he made some youtube videos, he needs to stop flaming people for alternative views. Has he ever met Ron? Doubt it. Ever been to his house? Doubt it. Have anyone from HQs number programed in his cell? Doubt it. I don't brag in my sig about what I have done.

The End.

[Dr.3D]

What I think is trying to be said here is, aravoth wishes to preserve our national soveranty.

Correct me if I'm am in error?

[aravoth]

I am defending a guy who simply made a post about possible economic shelters for money with possible outcomes from an economic collapse and got flamed hardcore by a childish punk. Who cares what he has done?

So what he made some youtube videos, he needs to stop flaming people for alternative views. Has he ever met Ron? Doubt it. Ever been to his house? Doubt it. Have anyone from HQs number programed in his cell? Doubt it. I don't brag in my sig about what I have done.

The End.

Does it look like I'm bragging to you jackass.

[cageybee]

What I think is trying to be said here is, aravoth wishes to preserve our national soveranty.

Correct me if I'm am in error?

yes, but preserving our national sovereignty means no one is allowed to challenge US dollar including Russia. Look at the map of the world. Do you think Russia cares about US dollar??? no. They want Russian Ruble to be the world currency. And we, the people of USA must save not only our country from a complete collapse and mass starvation, should instead by guzillions of Rubles, help Russia make it a world currency and watch our economy saved and our capital grow 1000 times. This will at least give us time to create our own energy and will save the world from death of billions of people and create the biggest partnership of all time between Russia and USA.

It is either that or we have to take Hitler's route and we know how that turned out.

This time though, the whole world may get destroyed because of our "nationalism"

[klamath]

If I am going to support a nationalist I think it will be Avaroth instead of russian nationalists who don't give a damned about the US, its contitution or its people unless it supports ultra nationalist empirial Russian ambitions. I would like to see one post of those attacking Avaroth that was really supporting RP's agenda. All I ever see is America is evil, Russia is great and anything that is wrong in the world is the US's fault and anything good is Russian. Anyone who can justify Stalin's, starvation and execution of 40 million russian citizens with the mindset it was for the good of mother Russia is exactly the mindset of Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. And I sure a heck don't want their violent ideas representing RP. Talk about nationalists!

[cageybee]

If I am going to support a nationalist I think it will be Avaroth instead of russian nationalists who don't give a damned about the US, its contitution or its people unless it supports ultra nationalist empirial Russian ambitions. I would like to see one post of those attacking Avaroth that was really supporting RP's agenda. All I ever see is America is evil, Russia is great and anything that is wrong in the world is the US's fault and anything good is Russian. Anyone who can justify Stalin's, starvation and execution of 40 million russian citizens with the mindset it was for the good of mother Russia is exactly the mindset of Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. And I sure a heck don't want their violent ideas representing RP. Talk about nationalists!

stalin did not kill 40 mil people. are you crazy??? show me proof! russia lost 20 mil live in WWII, you telling me stalin killed more??? show me.

[Luft97]

yes, but preserving our national sovereignty means no one is allowed to challenge US dollar including Russia. Look at the map of the world. Do you think Russia cares about US dollar??? no. They want Russian Ruble to be the world currency. And we, the people of USA must save not only our country from a complete collapse and mass starvation, should instead by guzillions of Rubles, help Russia make it a world currency and watch our economy saved and our capital grow 1000 times. This will at least give us time to create our own energy and will save the world from death of billions of people and create the biggest partnership of all time between Russia and USA.

It is either that or we have to take Hitler's route and we know how that turned out.

This time though, the whole world may get destroyed because of our "nationalism"

Interesting take on the situation, but I'm not sure I would go that far. The dollar collapse is coming that is for sure, but I am going to put my money into Gold and Silver. It seems a safer bet. Foreign currencies are risky even if it would be a sure thing.

[Dr.3D]

yes, but preserving our national sovereignty means no one is allowed to challenge US dollar including Russia. Look at the map of the world. Do you think Russia cares about US dollar??? no. They want Russian Ruble to be the world currency. And we, the people of USA must save not only our country from a complete collapse and mass starvation, should instead by guzillions of Rubles, help Russia make it a world currency and watch our economy saved and our capital grow 1000 times. This will at least give us time to create our own energy and will save the world from death of billions of people and create the biggest partnership of all time between Russia and USA.

It is either that or we have to take Hitler's route and we know how that turned out.

This time though, the whole world may get destroyed because of our "nationalism"

What would be the difference between that and just adopting the new Amero?

In either case, we would lose our sovereignty. Why not just do as Mexico did and use a new currency? (hopefully based on precious metals)

Mexico made new currency and people cashed in some of their old currency for the new. The U.S. could do the same thing.

[aravoth]

stalin did not kill 40 mil people. are you crazy??? show me proof! russia lost 20 mil live in WWII, you telling me stalin killed more??? show me.

I rest my fuckin case, piss off.

[Dr.3D]

I rest my fuckin case, piss off.

Yeah, somebody doesn't know Russian history. :(

[klamath]

stalin did not kill 40 mil people. are you crazy??? show me proof! russia lost 20 mil live in WWII, you telling me stalin killed more??? show me.

I am not even going to go there. If you want to say Stalin didn't say starve the ukrainians I guess I can say the US never invaded Iraq and it is all lies made up. :rolleyes:

[cageybee]

Interesting take on the situation, but I'm not sure I would go that far. The dollar collapse is coming that is for sure, but I am going to put my money into Gold and Silver. It seems a safer bet. Foreign currencies are risky even if it would be a sure thing.

you see, if Russia would see this cooperation from USA, they would look at it as the greatest move US ever made and from that point Russia and USA would be like brothers.

The thing is, Russia will eventually, probably very soon, will make Ruble the world's reserve currency, and the longer we are in its way, the more losses we are taking.

Back in 2000, when Bush learned about Putin and and learned that Putin will work on the rise of oil prices, Bush thought that he should destabilize Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran, to control oil transactions. This was the biggest mistake.

Back then he should've just get our country heavily invested in Russian rubles and help Russia make Ruble a world reserve currency.

Ruble would grow fast and to the roof, while USA would be the richest country on earth for investing our capital in Russian Ruble.

But this fucking nationlistic-zionistic-nazi pride took us to very costly war with Iraq, Afghanistan, now Iran, later Russia and China. Why?????

[aravoth]

stalin did not kill 40 mil people. are you crazy??? show me proof! russia lost 20 mil live in WWII, you telling me stalin killed more??? show me.

Well here's viewpoint worth listening to, right Luft?

Whats that? No comments on how "interesting" that comment is? Oh the wealth there is in sharing ideas.... especially with people like you two.

[Luft97]

stalin did not kill 40 mil people. are you crazy??? show me proof! russia lost 20 mil live in WWII, you telling me stalin killed more??? show me.

Cay, regardless the number, Stalin was no hero.

I work with many Russians every day in the shipping industry and they are glad the soviet system is gone.

I have a great respect for the Russian people, most of them are hard working and honest. That does not mean I have any affection for communists. I also don't think the current government there is perfect either. But I will say they do seem to be bucking the "One World Government" crowd moreso than other nations.

[Cowlesy]

How can you consider Russia to be a superpower when it's GDP is behind the European Union, the United States, Japan, Germany, China, the United Kingdom, France Italy, Canada, Spain and Brazil?

I just don't see the argument for the Russian Ruble be the world's reserve currency when it's GDP is 1/14 the size of the U.S. or EU's, 1/4 the size of Japan's or 1/3 the size of Germany's.

[Cowlesy]

no flaming needed now between members who are Ron Paul supporters...I just don't see the Ruble as a world currency.

[Dr.3D]

Is the Ruble backed by precious metals?

[IChooseLiberty]

Remember people,

http://innerslacker.com/images/argue091204.jpg

[cageybee]

What would be the difference between that and just adopting the new Amero?

In either case, we would lose our sovereignty. Why not just do as Mexico did and use a new currency? (hopefully based on precious metals)

Mexico made new currency and people cashed in some of their old currency for the new. The U.S. could do the same thing.

Amero is really a bad idea. While adopting Ruble as early as possible would mean huge (enourmous) capital gains. If America would create a demand for Ruble - Ruble would go to the roof and since we would hold a lot of this currency that's paying high interests like 10%+ we would be gaining and gaining and gaining.

Ruble is going to become a world petro-currency, because Russia produces a lot of energy.

US is dependent of foreign oil for our currency to be a petro-currency. This dependence is very costly to us, because we have to support this freaking peace in the middle-east across the world. We are paying tooo much for our currency to be a petro-currency and a world currency.

We need to jump on Ruble now, help Russia make Ruble a world currency, become partners with another huge country like Russia (instead of Israel), and help Russia to be the intermediary of stability in Eurasia.

Our holdings of Ruble in this case will grow immensely and we will not have to worry about our future.

But if we choose to butt heads with Russia, then we might destroy the whole world.

[Banana]

IChooseLiberty, I was contemplating putting up the link (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=124732) myself, but held back when I saw that flame war was subsiding...

Sometime nitpicking just does no good; best to let sleeping dogs lie and focus on something more useful (e.g. investing in gold for example).

[klamath]

Cay, regardless the number, Stalin was no hero.
The short for cageybee is KGB not Cay.

I have a great deal of respect for the Russian people and that is why I hate to see them get F**Ked over by their leaders just like we are by ours. Putin maybe popular with the russians now but hell 80% of the Americans loved bush until they got smart to him. That sure as heck didn't make him right.

[Dr.3D]

Why is it every time I read a post by cageybee, I keep expecting to hear somebody asking Mr. Big, "So vhat do ve do about moose and sqvirrel?"

http://www.abc-kid.com/rocky/pictures/024.jpg

[Sandra]

Avaroth's name calling and spewing do very very little to contribute to this discussion. Do yourself a favor and take the night off. You'll probably feel better in the mornoing.

[cageybee]

no flaming needed now between members who are Ron Paul supporters...I just don't see the Ruble as a world currency.

look at a rate of Russian GDP growth and look how they are rising to power around the world. Putin has already ordered that Russia will switch from USD to ruble in their energy trade. They were just waiting for Medvedev to become a president. First thing Medvedev will do is they'll stop accepting USD for energy and will be accepting Rubles only. Iran wants Ruble to be used on Iranian Oil Bourse. Ruble will definitely become a Eurasian reserve currency, because everyone needs energy, and because Iran and Russia are major energy suppliers. Ruble is going to be a world-petro currency one way or another. The faster we will realize this the better it will be for everyone and especially for us here in US. If we bought lots of Rubles now and would help Russian Ruble to become a world currency, then we would gain massive amounts of capital once the demand for Ruble would grow. This would give us time to create our own energy, stop wasting billions of dollars on "peace" in other nations, prevent a WWIII, prevent global economic depression, and finally become partners with Russia.

[Meatwasp]

Avaroth's name calling and spewing do very very little to contribute to this discussion. Do yourself a favor and take the night off. You'll probably feel better in the mornoing.

Three cheers for Aravoth.
Sandra who knows what he suffered from the communists. My family sure suffered.
Ayn Rand fled Communism Read her books!!!!
We must be passinate so it will not set root completly in this country

[Cleaner44]

Swiss Francs.