Has the NWO been overwhelmingly accepted here?

[Agent CSL]

When I first came onto these forums any talk of the NWO got you thrown straight into the Hot Topics section. Now it seems to be brought up in most topics around here.

I believe everyone here has their own view of what the NWO is. Alex Jones' rendition is on the extreme side, I'd say; while there are others who think the NWO is nothing more than corporate expansion, globalization.

Have all the NWO disbelievers gone back to bed? Or has the prospects of a NWO been accepted by the former disbelievers?

[kyleAF]

I'm more inclined to believe it now than I was before this election.

[Kotin]

i know it to be true..

[IPSecure]

Has the NWO been overwhelmingly accepted here?

No!

[Naraku]

I'm more inclined to believe it now than I was before this election.

Damn straight. Same way here.

[evilfunnystuff]

i always belived the nwo existed.

those that didnt belive probly do after seeing the overwhelming censorship by virtualy every main stream media scource and all the vote fraud and dirty tricks.

[Kludge]

"NWO", is, as it was, just expanding globalization and a move towards international socialism, accepted by all sorts of sheople. I fight socialism, not collectivist-inspired-(and propelled by sensationalists)-possibly-existing-yet-very-well-organized organizations ;)

[pcosmar]

Have all the NWO disbelievers gone back to bed? Or has the prospects of a NWO been accepted by the former disbelievers?

More people have been educated now, though some still need to wake up and smell the coffee.
The UN is real. ,,And has an agenda.
The CFR is real. ,,And has an agenda.
Socialists are in our Government.,,And have an agenda.

The Agenda is a New World Order.

Sucks, don't it.:mad:

[AutoDas]

How is a new world order socialist? It doesn't sound like the UN, they don't have declaration of human rights.

[Truth Warrior]

For those who may have missed it:

A CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER
http://www.constitution.org/col/cuddy_nwo.htm

( Sorry, I don't have a video or comic book link for it. :p :D )

[pcosmar]

How is a new world order socialist? It doesn't sound like the UN, they don't have declaration of human rights.

Good Morning. Have some Coffee. :)
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=left_right&refpage=issues

What are the elements of collectivism that are common to all of these seemingly opposite forces? Collectivists on the so-called Left and Right agree that:

1. Rights are derived from the state;
2. The group is more important than the individual;
3. Coercion is the preferred method to bring about reform;
4. Laws should be applied differently to different classes;
5. Providing benefits (redistributing wealth) is the proper role of government.

These are the core principles held by collectivists in their quest to remold mankind to their hearts desire. The main disagreement among them is over how those principles should be applied. They do not realize that it's not the application of those principles, but the principles themselves that cause injustice, scarcity, and freedom's demise. History has already shown this truth in the form of despotism under Nazism (the so-called Right) and Communism (the so-called Left). It is sad that intelligent people with knowledge of this history still cling to the myth that they are opposites when it is so clear they are merely different manifestations of the same ideology.

[Chibioz]

A year ago I didn't believe in it. Then I became aware of the different groups, their schemes and their agendas. Their existence is very hard to deny after doing some research. When I hear people flat out deny their existence I just shake my head now. Many refuse to believe such a grand conspiracy could exist. The NWO are certainly no friends of liberty.

[jyakulis]

i always belived the nwo existed.

those that didnt belive probly do after seeing the overwhelming censorship by virtualy every main stream media scource and all the vote fraud and dirty tricks.

yeah, when i first came on here. i never even heard of this stuff. i was just an apathetic person that was like damn i'm sick of these politicians and decided to follow the election and actually get involved. then i found ron paul. then i found this board. then when ron mentioned the nafta super highway i started down my path. at first i didn't believe iit, then i saw the media censorship and marginializing of dr. paul i really started to get swayed. now the stuff has engrossed my life. christ i'm listening to bill cooper's mystery babylon series right now. that's how far into this stuff i am. i've been researching the nwo day and night for 3-4 months now.

here i'll plug some of bill's work. but it's going to sound like the raving of a lunatic if you aren't real familiar with the stuff.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA
http://www.scribd.com/doc/1564363/Behold-a-Pale-HorseWilliam-Cooper
http://www.archive.org/details/WilliamCooperWilliamCooperMysteryBabylonSeriesComp leteReedit119wwwgeocitiescomariainvictus
http://www.archive.org/details/AriaInvictusWilliamCooperMysteryBabylonSeriesRevam pedPart2642wwwgeocitiescomariainvictus

[AutoDas]

Good Morning. Have some Coffee. :)
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=left_right&refpage=issues

Okay... I still don't get how this is collectivist. (rights do derive from the state)

[Dr.3D]

Okay... I still don't get how this is collectivist. (rights do derive from the state)

Rights do not derive from the state.
We better hope they never do!

[pcosmar]

Okay... I still don't get how this is collectivist. (rights do derive from the state)
If you truly believe that, then you are a Collectivist.
This video explains the difference quite well.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJqSsrFDiSA

The good news is, you CAN be educated. There is hope.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

[kimo]

Lou Dobbs: New World Order Can Be Defeated
Published on Friday, March 07, 2008

CNN host Lou Dobbs says that the New World Order can be defeated but only if "Americans awaken and soon," as he attacked the Bush administration's "shameless" destruction of U.S. sovereignty on a nationally syndicated radio show.

"What we have permitted in allowing the Bush administration to have effectively further reduced our sovereignty and respect for our laws and certainly regard for our borders and our ports - it's been a shameless, shameless period in American history that we're going to have to reverse," Dobbs told the Alex Jones Show.

Dobbs said that if people did not wake up to the unfolding North American Union agenda as well as the Trans Texas Corridor under the banner of the Security and Prosperity partnership, then America could "kiss its future goodbye."

The CNN host said that the New World Order could be defeated, but only if the American people awakened and did it soon.

Even Lou Dobbs talks that is time to wake and defeat NWO. My guess that some kind of disorder exists.

[rpfreedom08]

I'll just say I know who the enemy is now. :) That is 50% of the battle right there.

[FrankRep]

I'll just say I know who the enemy is now. :) That is 50% of the battle right there.

Classic GI Joe.

Now you know and knowing is half the battle.

:D

[PatriotOne]

No one has to take our word for it, Bush Senior announced it himself on September 11, 1990.

On September 11, 1990 at 9:09 PM, President George Herbert Walker Bush spoke before a joint session of Congress, regarding the Persian Gulf War (Iraq/Iran). Among other topics, he stated that the war presented an opportunity for a "New World Order" to emerge.

Eleven years later — to the day — the twin towers of the World Trade Center would fall, creating yet another "opportunity" to move...

'Toward a New World Order'

Ignore the pretty words in the Bush speech....the NWO crowd is as far from benevolent as you can get. Evil is an understatement once you actually do some research on them.

From the National Archives
September 11, 1990

Mr. President and Mr. Speaker and Members of the United States Congress, distinguished guests, fellow Americans, thank you very much for that warm welcome. We gather tonight, witness to events in the Persian Gulf as significant as they are tragic. In the early morning hours of August 2d, following negotiations and promises by Iraq's dictator Saddam Hussein not to use force, a powerful Iraqi army invaded its trusting and much weaker neighbor, Kuwait. Within 3 days, 120,000 Iraqi troops with 850 tanks had poured into Kuwait and moved south to threaten Saudi Arabia. It was then that I decided to act to check that aggression.

At this moment, our brave servicemen and women stand watch in that distant desert and on distant seas, side by side with the forces of more than 20 other nations. They are some of the finest men and women of the United States of America. And they're doing one terrific job. These valiant Americans were ready at a moment's notice to leave their spouses and their children, to serve on the front line halfway around the world. They remind us who keeps America strong: they do. In the trying circumstances of the Gulf, the morale of our service men and women is excellent. In the face of danger, they're brave, they're well-trained, and dedicated.

A soldier, Private First Class Wade Merritt of Knoxville, Tennessee, now stationed in Saudi Arabia, wrote his parents of his worries, his love of family, and his hope for peace. But Wade also wrote, ``I am proud of my country and its firm stance against inhumane aggression. I am proud of my army and its men. I am proud to serve my country.'' Well, let me just say, Wade, America is proud of you and is grateful to every soldier, sailor, marine, and airman serving the cause of peace in the Persian Gulf. I also want to thank the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Powell; the Chiefs here tonight; our commander in the Persian Gulf, General Schwartzkopf; and the men and women of the Department of Defense. What a magnificent job you all are doing. And thank you very, very much from a grateful people. I wish I could say that their work is done. But we all know it's not.

So, if there ever was a time to put country before self and patriotism before party, the time is now. And let me thank all Americans, especially those here in this Chamber tonight, for your support for our armed forces and for their mission. That support will be even more important in the days to come. So, tonight I want to talk to you about what's at stake -- what we must do together to defend civilized values around the world and maintain our economic strength at home.

Our objectives in the Persian Gulf are clear, our goals defined and familiar: Iraq must withdraw from Kuwait completely, immediately, and without condition. Kuwait's legitimate government must be restored. The security and stability of the Persian Gulf must be assured. And American citizens abroad must be protected. These goals are not ours alone. They've been endorsed by the United Nations Security Council five times in as many weeks. Most countries share our concern for principle. And many have a stake in the stability of the Persian Gulf. This is not, as Saddam Hussein would have it, the United States against Iraq. It is Iraq against the world.

As you know, I've just returned from a very productive meeting with Soviet President Gorbachev. And I am pleased that we are working together to build a new relationship. In Helsinki, our joint statement affirmed to the world our shared resolve to counter Iraq's threat to peace. Let me quote: ``We are united in the belief that Iraq's aggression must not be tolerated. No peaceful international order is possible if larger states can devour their smaller neighbors.'' Clearly, no longer can a dictator count on East-West confrontation to stymie concerted United Nations action against aggression. A new partnership of nations has begun.

We stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective -- a new world order -- can emerge: a new era -- freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, East and West, North and South, can prosper and live in harmony. A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor. Today that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we've known. A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. A world where the strong respect the rights of the weak. This is the vision that I shared with President Gorbachev in Helsinki. He and other leaders from Europe, the Gulf, and around the world understand that how we manage this crisis today could shape the future for generations to come.

The test we face is great, and so are the stakes. This is the first assault on the new world that we seek, the first test of our mettle. Had we not responded to this first provocation with clarity of purpose, if we do not continue to demonstrate our determination, it would be a signal to actual and potential despots around the world. America and the world must defend common vital interests -- and we will. America and the world must support the rule of law -- and we will. America and the world must stand up to aggression -- and we will. And one thing more: In the pursuit of these goals America will not be intimidated.

Vital issues of principle are at stake. Saddam Hussein is literally trying to wipe a country off the face of the Earth. We do not exaggerate. Nor do we exaggerate when we say Saddam Hussein will fail. Vital economic interests are at risk as well. Iraq itself controls some 10 percent of the world's proven oil reserves. Iraq plus Kuwait controls twice that. An Iraq permitted to swallow Kuwait would have the economic and military power, as well as the arrogance, to intimidate and coerce its neighbors -- neighbors who control the lion's share of the world's remaining oil reserves. We cannot permit a resource so vital to be dominated by one so ruthless. And we won't.

Recent events have surely proven that there is no substitute for American leadership. In the face of tyranny, let no one doubt American credibility and reliability. Let no one doubt our staying power. We will stand by our friends. One way or another, the leader of Iraq must learn this fundamental truth. From the outset, acting hand in hand with others, we've sought to fashion the broadest possible international response to Iraq's aggression. The level of world cooperation and condemnation of Iraq is unprecedented. Armed forces from countries spanning four continents are there at the request of King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to deter and, if need be, to defend against attack. Moslems and non-Moslems, Arabs and non-Arabs, soldiers from many nations stand shoulder to shoulder, resolute against Saddam Hussein's ambitions.

We can now point to five United Nations Security Council resolutions that condemn Iraq's aggression. They call for Iraq's immediate and unconditional withdrawal, the restoration of Kuwait's legitimate government, and categorically reject Iraq's cynical and self-serving attempt to annex Kuwait. Finally, the United Nations has demanded the release of all foreign nationals held hostage against their will and in contravention of international law. It is a mockery of human decency to call these people ``guests.'' They are hostages, and the whole world knows it.

Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, a dependable ally, said it all: ``We do not bargain over hostages. We will not stoop to the level of using human beings as bargaining chips ever.'' Of course, of course, our hearts go out to the hostages and to their families. But our policy cannot change, and it will not change. America and the world will not be blackmailed by this ruthless policy.

We're now in sight of a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders. We owe much to the outstanding leadership of Secretary-General Javier Perez de Cuellar. The United Nations is backing up its words with action. The Security Council has imposed mandatory economic sanctions on Iraq, designed to force Iraq to relinquish the spoils of its illegal conquest. The Security Council has also taken the decisive step of authorizing the use of all means necessary to ensure compliance with these sanctions. Together with our friends and allies, ships of the United States Navy are today patrolling Mideast waters. They've already intercepted more than 700 ships to enforce the sanctions. Three regional leaders I spoke with just yesterday told me that these sanctions are working. Iraq is feeling the heat. We continue to hope that Iraq's leaders will recalculate just what their aggression has cost them. They are cut off from world trade, unable to sell their oil. And only a tiny fraction of goods gets through.

The communique with President Gorbachev made mention of what happens when the embargo is so effective that children of Iraq literally need milk or the sick truly need medicine. Then, under strict international supervision that guarantees the proper destination, then food will be permitted.

At home, the material cost of our leadership can be steep. That's why Secretary of State Baker and Treasury Secretary Brady have met with many world leaders to underscore that the burden of this collective effort must be shared. We are prepared to do our share and more to help carry that load; we insist that others do their share as well.

The response of most of our friends and allies has been good. To help defray costs, the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the UAE -- the United Arab Emirates -- have pledged to provide our deployed troops with all the food and fuel they need. Generous assistance will also be provided to stalwart front-line nations, such as Turkey and Egypt. I am also heartened to report that this international response extends to the neediest victims of this conflict -- those refugees. For our part, we've contributed $28 million for relief efforts. This is but a portion of what is needed. I commend, in particular, Saudi Arabia, Japan, and several European nations who have joined us in this purely humanitarian effort.

There's an energy-related cost to be borne as well. Oil-producing nations are already replacing lost Iraqi and Kuwaiti output. More than half of what was lost has been made up. And we're getting superb cooperation. If producers, including the United States, continue steps to expand oil and gas production, we can stabilize prices and guarantee against hardship. Additionally, we and several of our allies always have the option to extract oil from our strategic petroleum reserves if conditions warrant. As I've pointed out before, conservation efforts are essential to keep our energy needs as low as possible. And we must then take advantage of our energy sources across the board: coal, natural gas, hydro, and nuclear. Our failure to do these things has made us more dependent on foreign oil than ever before. Finally, let no one even contemplate profiteering from this crisis. We will not have it.

I cannot predict just how long it will take to convince Iraq to withdraw from Kuwait. Sanctions will take time to have their full intended effect. We will continue to review all options with our allies, but let it be clear: we will not let this aggression stand.

Our interest, our involvement in the Gulf is not transitory. It predated Saddam Hussein's aggression and will survive it. Long after all our troops come home -- and we all hope it's soon, very soon -- there will be a lasting role for the United States in assisting the nations of the Persian Gulf. Our role then: to deter future aggression. Our role is to help our friends in their own self-defense. And something else: to curb the proliferation of chemical, biological, ballistic missile and, above all, nuclear technologies.

Let me also make clear that the United States has no quarrel with the Iraqi people. Our quarrel is with Iraq's dictator and with his aggression. Iraq will not be permitted to annex Kuwait. That's not a threat, that's not a boast, that's just the way it's going to be.

Our ability to function effectively as a great power abroad depends on how we conduct ourselves at home. Our economy, our Armed Forces, our energy dependence, and our cohesion all determine whether we can help our friends and stand up to our foes. For America to lead, America must remain strong and vital. Our world leadership and domestic strength are mutual and reinforcing; a woven piece, strongly bound as Old Glory. To revitalize our leadership, our leadership capacity, we must address our budget deficit -- not after election day, or next year, but now.

Higher oil prices slow our growth, and higher defense costs would only make our fiscal deficit problem worse. That deficit was already greater than it should have been -- a projected $232 billion for the coming year. It must -- it will -- be reduced.

To my friends in Congress, together we must act this very month -- before the next fiscal year begins on October 1st -- to get America's economic house in order. The Gulf situation helps us realize we are more economically vulnerable than we ever should be. Americans must never again enter any crisis, economic or military, with an excessive dependence on foreign oil and an excessive burden of Federal debt.

Most Americans are sick and tired of endless battles in the Congress and between the branches over budget matters. It is high time we pulled together and get the job done right. It's up to us to straighten this out. This job has four basic parts. First, the Congress should, this month, within a budget agreement, enact growth-oriented tax measures -- to help avoid recession in the short term and to increase savings, investment, productivity, and competitiveness for the longer term. These measures include extending incentives for research and experimentation; expanding the use of IRA's for new homeowners; establishing tax-deferred family savings accounts; creating incentives for the creation of enterprise zones and initiatives to encourage more domestic drilling; and, yes, reducing the tax rate on capital gains.

And second, the Congress should, this month, enact a prudent multiyear defense program, one that reflects not only the improvement in East-West relations but our broader responsibilities to deal with the continuing risks of outlaw action and regional conflict. Even with our obligations in the Gulf, a sound defense budget can have some reduction in real terms; and we're prepared to accept that. But to go beyond such levels, where cutting defense would threaten our vital margin of safety, is something I will never accept. The world is still dangerous. And surely, that is now clear. Stability's not secure. American interests are far reaching. Interdependence has increased. The consequences of regional instability can be global. This is no time to risk America's capacity to protect her vital interests.

And third, the Congress should, this month, enact measures to increase domestic energy production and energy conservation in order to reduce dependence on foreign oil. These measures should include my proposals to increase incentives for domestic oil and gas exploration, fuel-switching, and to accelerate the development of the Alaskan energy resources without damage to wildlife. As you know, when the oil embargo was imposed in the early 1970's, the United States imported almost 6 million barrels of oil a day. This year, before the Iraqi invasion, U.S. imports had risen to nearly 8 million barrels per day. And we'd moved in the wrong direction. And now we must act to correct that trend.

And fourth, the Congress should, this month, enact a 5-year program to reduce the projected debt and deficits by $500 billion -- that's by half a trillion dollars. And if, with the Congress, we can develop a satisfactory program by the end of the month, we can avoid the ax of sequester -- deep across-the-board cuts that would threaten our military capacity and risk substantial domestic disruption. I want to be able to tell the American people that we have truly solved the deficit problem. And for me to do that, a budget agreement must meet these tests: It must include the measures I've recommended to increase economic growth and reduce dependence on foreign oil. It must be fair. All should contribute, but the burden should not be excessive for any one group of programs or people. It must address the growth of government's hidden liabilities. It must reform the budget process and, further, it must be real.

I urge Congress to provide a comprehensive 5-year deficit reduction program to me as a complete legislative package, with measures to assure that it can be fully enforced. America is tired of phony deficit reduction or promise-now, save-later plans. It is time for a program that is credible and real. And finally, to the extent that the deficit reduction program includes new revenue measures, it must avoid any measure that would threaten economic growth or turn us back toward the days of punishing income tax rates. That is one path we should not head down again.

I have been pleased with recent progress, although it has not always seemed so smooth. But now it's time to produce. I hope we can work out a responsible plan. But with or without agreement from the budget summit, I ask both Houses of the Congress to allow a straight up-or-down vote on a complete $500-billion deficit reduction package not later than September 28. If the Congress cannot get me a budget, then Americans will have to face a tough, mandated sequester. I'm hopeful, in fact, I'm confident that the Congress will do what it should. And I can assure you that we in the executive branch will do our part.

In the final analysis, our ability to meet our responsibilities abroad depends upon political will and consensus at home. This is never easy in democracies, for we govern only with the consent of the governed. And although free people in a free society are bound to have their differences, Americans traditionally come together in times of adversity and challenge.

Once again, Americans have stepped forward to share a tearful goodbye with their families before leaving for a strange and distant shore. At this very moment, they serve together with Arabs, Europeans, Asians, and Africans in defense of principle and the dream of a new world order. That's why they sweat and toil in the sand and the heat and the sun. If they can come together under such adversity, if old adversaries like the Soviet Union and the United States can work in common cause, then surely we who are so fortunate to be in this great Chamber -- Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives -- can come together to fulfill our responsibilities here. Thank you. Good night. And God bless the United States of America.

National Archives Note: The President spoke at 9:09 p.m. in the House Chamber at the Capitol. He was introduced by Thomas S. Foley, Speaker of the House of Representatives. The address was broadcast live on nationwide television and radio.

[kimo]

I'll just say I know who the enemy is now. :) That is 50% of the battle right there.

:D

[Agent CSL]

I was surprised Lou Dobbs admitted the NWO. He's always been against the NAU but I didn't think he'd believe in the full-blown NWO. I agree that the media has played a huge part in letting people see that we aren't just crazy conspiracy theorists, the enemy exists and it's on the move.

I see more and more Americans waking up and it excites me. :D

[Geronimo]

Read his lips..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

[PatriotOne]

Bush Sr. New World Order Speech

George HW Bush announces the birth of a new world order.. Oct ...

Watch video - 33 sec -

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8259800846851144110

[FrankRep]

Bush Sr. New World Order Speech

George HW Bush announces the birth of a new world order.. Oct ...
Watch video - 33 sec -


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8259800846851144110

[kimo]

I was surprised Lou Dobbs admitted the NWO. He's always been against the NAU but I didn't think he'd believe in the full-blown NWO. I agree that the media has played a huge part in letting people see that we aren't just crazy conspiracy theorists, the enemy exists and it's on the move.

I see more and more Americans waking up and it excites me. :D

Still..we cann`t ignore McCain:" My friends it´s a tragic day today and let me announce that we´re all dead, my friends.."

[rpfreedom08]

Classic GI Joe.

Now you know and knowing is half the battle.

:D

lol I don't mind being a GI Joe in the Revolution. Infact I am honored to live in these times, not because they are pretty but because I think this Revolution will spawn strong bonds between men and their country.

[BigRedBrent]

More people have been educated now, though some still need to wake up and smell the coffee.
The UN is real. ,,And has an agenda.
The CFR is real. ,,And has an agenda.
Socialists are in our Government.,,And have an agenda.

The Agenda is a New World Order.

Sucks, don't it.:mad:

QFT

[ryanmkeisling]

yeah, when i first came on here. i never even heard of this stuff. i was just an apathetic person that was like damn i'm sick of these politicians and decided to follow the election and actually get involved. then i found ron paul. then i found this board. then when ron mentioned the nafta super highway i started down my path. at first i didn't believe iit, then i saw the media censorship and marginializing of dr. paul i really started to get swayed. now the stuff has engrossed my life. christ i'm listening to bill cooper's mystery babylon series right now. that's how far into this stuff i am. i've been researching the nwo day and night for 3-4 months now.

here i'll plug some of bill's work. but it's going to sound like the raving of a lunatic if you aren't real familiar with the stuff.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA
http://www.scribd.com/doc/1564363/Behold-a-Pale-HorseWilliam-Cooper
http://www.archive.org/details/WilliamCooperWilliamCooperMysteryBabylonSeriesComp leteReedit119wwwgeocitiescomariainvictus
http://www.archive.org/details/AriaInvictusWilliamCooperMysteryBabylonSeriesRevam pedPart2642wwwgeocitiescomariainvictus

Ah yes....William Cooper. I can still remember when Behold a Pale Horse came into print, he was a true patriot. He suffered greatly at the hands of those who would use and eventually kill him in 2001. It looks like Michael Ruppert came close to suffering the same fate:

www.fromthewilderness.com

[jyakulis]

Ah yes....William Cooper. I can still remember when Behold a Pale Horse came into print, he was a true patriot. He suffered greatly at the hands of those who would use and eventually kill him in 2001. It looks like Michael Ruppert came close to suffering the same fate:

www.fromthewilderness.com

hmm i'll have to check out ruppert.

i love the creed of william cooper. he definitely was a true patriot.

"I belive first in God, the same God which my ancestors believed. I believe in Jesus Christ and that he is my saviour. Second, I believe in the Constitution of the Republic of the Unitied States of America, without interpretation, as it was written and meant to work. I have given my sacret oath "to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic." I intend to fulfill that oath. Third, I believe in the family unit and, in particular, my family unit. I have sworn that I will give my life, if it is required, in defense of God, the Constitution, or my family. Fourth, I believe that any man without principles that he is ready and willing to die for at any given moment is already dead and is of no use or consequence whatsoever."

[ryanmkeisling]

hmm i'll have to check out ruppert.

i love the creed of william cooper. he definitely was a true patriot.

"I belive first in God, the same God which my ancestors believed. I believe in Jesus Christ and that he is my saviour. Second, I believe in the Constitution of the Republic of the Unitied States of America, without interpretation, as it was written and meant to work. I have given my sacret oath "to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic." I intend to fulfill that oath. Third, I believe in the family unit and, in particular, my family unit. I have sworn that I will give my life, if it is required, in defense of God, the Constitution, or my family. Fourth, I believe that any man without principles that he is ready and willing to die for at any given moment is already dead and is of no use or consequence whatsoever."

Yeah you should check into his story it is rather like that of William Cooper. Here is a start although there is quite a bit of reading. He also has a video out called, "The Truth and Lies about 9/11" which can be found here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145 (which you should watch in full if you really want to be freaked out it is VERY powerful and makes Bill Cooper look like old news)it features a nice interview with none other than Ron Paul!:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070506_offices_burglarized.shtml

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/082306_soy_gringo.shtml

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/082906_samurai_sunrise.shtml

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/090106_last_days.shtml

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/members/091206_venezuela_caracas.php

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/members/091306_venezuela_caracas2.php

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/092106_email_fraud.shtml

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/members/110206_living_mike.php

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/110706_mcr_evolution.shtml

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/120206_mike_canada.shtml

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/about.shtml

[stilltrying]

I believe that the NWO has created alot of the suffering that the world has seen since before WWII. How can a NWO be good for the people when realistically they have created more death and suffering than can possibly be imagined. From my understanding Hitler was financed by socialist westerners. They have helped to create or further war (vietnam and and current iraq war), in the hopes of setting up globalist governments not democracy. They have redistributed/stolen wealth created by Americans. They have stolen jobs from Americans. I just dont grasp how or why these people think the terrible way that they do. If people would just wake up and realize that much of the suffering humanity has had has been created by the NWO to futher its agenda of total human domination concentrated in the hands of the few. I know there has been many, many wars throughout history between sovereign nations. But realistically speaking on the global scale it has mostly been committed by collectivists in hopes of getting their dream.

I guess I just cant or dont want to imagine a group of people so hell bent on sacrificing human suffering in the name of betterment for the group while subjugating individuals to accomplish that task.

Hypothetical: What ultimately is their objective/utopia consisted of if they reached that milestone. Is it drinking a latte on their own private island of Hawaii? Is it trying experiments on individuals to rid all disease of this world? Is it as Alex Jones thinks to drastically reduce human population and hoping to one day find a way to live forever? Do these people want to be worshipped? Do they want their ideas (State) to be worshipped? Do they just want to be in total control of human thought by rearing babies to adulthood through their controlled belief system? I am totally lost as to their ultimate ideal but as it seems to me to currently be total domination over individuals. How do high up subordinates work in their ideal system?

You can see that these globalists do not want to share anything with anybody otherwise Rockefeller would be spreading his wealth (not ours/taxes) with everyone and making the world a better place now under a slightly sovereign America. So realistically speaking what does global governance get for these people in the end by declaring it humane to have globalization when really these people are the most selfish people the devil could have created. I have read 1984 and to me if thats is what they want then it really just seems so pointless a life, for Winston and O'Brien.

Hopefully someone on has some thoughts on this for me. The art of war states to keep your friends close and your enemies closer. So what this means to me is that we have to understand the enemy and what their tactics are and best how to combat them before they start (obviously late in that respect).

LASTLY I BELIEVE WE SHOULD SEND EACH NWO con A DOG AND TELL THEM ITS MUCH EASIER TO GET COMPLETE OBEDIENCE/SUBMISSIVENESS FROM THEIR PET.