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rpfreedom08
03-08-2008, 03:09 PM
Just wondering why people are dogging on him so bad now? I'm seeing this undertone of antiobama stuff all over the media and even in the message boards. To be honest I would rather he get voted in than 4 more years of the clinton / bush dynasty or have McWar as a president.

edit: Just for the record I will note be voting any of the three... I'll be going to the polls with a marks a lot in my hand ;)
Luft97
03-08-2008, 03:11 PM
Just wondering why people are dogging on him so bad now? I'm seeing this undertone of antiobama stuff all over the media and even in the message boards. To be honest I would rather he get voted in than 4 more years of the clinton / bush dynasty or have McWar as a president.

Why is that? What is it that he represents to you that would be BETTER than the others? Just curious..
RSLudlum
03-08-2008, 03:12 PM
An examination of the mainstream Right's attempt to smear Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama through his questionable links to Louis Farrakhan, Islam and the far-left.

Barack Hussein Obama by the Southern Avenger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEgaagZwibE
rpfreedom08
03-08-2008, 03:14 PM
Why is that? What is it that he represents to you that would be BETTER than the others? Just curious..


first off he doesn't represent anything, lol. Oh yeah except change, whatever that is. The only problem is we know exactly what clinton and McCain will bring to the table and neither are any good and really down right anti-American.
jclay2
03-08-2008, 03:16 PM
Well, it's about time! Good grief, he is an ardent socialist if you havn't caught on.
OptionsTrader
03-08-2008, 03:21 PM
Do you really have to ask?

We all feel passionately that Ron Paul and liberty-loving candidates like him are the only candidates worthy of support. Obama IS a socialist. Obama will not pledge to have all Iraq troops withdrawn by the end of his first term. Obama will not take off the table a preemptive nuclear first-strike against Iran. He voted for the Patriot act. He uses the fear of Muslims that the neocons have created to make a case for military action against Pakistan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIum0o-_LZk). He wants to GROW the size of the military, not decrease this trillion dollar per year money sink. He will not change the fiat monetary policy that is STEALING wealth from the poor and middle class. He offers ZERO change.
rpfreedom08
03-08-2008, 03:25 PM
lol so all the remaining candidates all have the same views..... Lol, what a shitty place we are in right now. I just can't bring myself to emagine a McCain or Hillary America.
rpfreedom08
03-08-2008, 03:26 PM
Well, it's about time! Good grief, he is an ardent socialist if you havn't caught on.

ANd hillary isn't? The more people dog on obama the better the chances that hillary or mcwar will win. I don't think that is very smart.
OptionsTrader
03-08-2008, 03:27 PM
lol so all the remaining candidates all have the same views..... Lol, what a shitty place we are in right now. I just can't bring myself to emagine a McCain or Hillary America.

That is a thought crime.
Luft97
03-08-2008, 03:27 PM
first off he doesn't represent anything, lol. Oh yeah except change, whatever that is. The only problem is we know exactly what clinton and McCain will bring to the table and neither are any good and really down right anti-American.

You are right he does not appear to represent anything except change. But when you look at his record it almost mirrors clinton. He is a smooth talker, plain and simple. He is able to bamboozle people into supporting him for no good reason other than "change". A person like that is more dangerous than someone we already know and despise. If it is between McCain / Hillary there is already a large % of the nation that already would be angry if they won and might look to alternative solutions. With Obama he does not have a hardcore movement against him. Not only that he is a better liar than the other two. These are things you should think about before throwing your support behind someone who wants to expand the war on terror.
OptionsTrader
03-08-2008, 03:28 PM
ANd hillary isn't? The more people dog on obama the better the chances that hillary or mcwar will win. I don't think that is very smart.

You are falling into the trap that is the fallacy of voting for the lesser of 3 evils. You wind up voting for evil.

Try to dig yourself out.
rpfreedom08
03-08-2008, 09:12 PM
oh no no no I'm not voting for any of them but I am falling for obama being the lesser of the evils. Of course that's just because he is a better liar.
rpfreedom08
03-08-2008, 09:17 PM
You are right he does not appear to represent anything except change. But when you look at his record it almost mirrors clinton. He is a smooth talker, plain and simple. He is able to bamboozle people into supporting him for no good reason other than "change". A person like that is more dangerous than someone we already know and despise. If it is between McCain / Hillary there is already a large % of the nation that already would be angry if they won and might look to alternative solutions. With Obama he does not have a hardcore movement against him. Not only that he is a better liar than the other two. These are things you should think about before throwing your support behind someone who wants to expand the war on terror.

I see what your saying and it makes sense...
Dr.3D
03-08-2008, 09:32 PM
Obama who? :rolleyes:
pcosmar
03-08-2008, 09:35 PM
I think it is because some are promoting him here. :confused:
If someone was promoting Clinton as much you would see more anti-Clinton (as if). :rolleyes:

I don't understand how anyone that understands the message of Freedom could consider voting for a Collectivist.
IChooseLiberty
03-08-2008, 09:41 PM
Just wondering why people are dogging on him so bad now? I'm seeing this undertone of antiobama stuff all over the media and even in the message boards. To be honest I would rather he get voted in than 4 more years of the clinton / bush dynasty or have McWar as a president.

edit: Just for the record I will note be voting any of the three... I'll be going to the polls with a marks a lot in my hand ;)

Eh, it's pretty predictable. I swear, it's like I know everything that's going to happen before it happens with regard to these elections.

Basically, a lot of young enthusiastic people have gathered to support Obama. Now the Media-Political complex must destroy Obama so as to make all of his supporters feel powerless and apathetic.

Hillary has been the chosen one all along.
OptionsTrader
03-08-2008, 10:06 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=127358
MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
03-09-2008, 04:07 AM
ANd hillary isn't? The more people dog on obama the better the chances that hillary or mcwar will win. I don't think that is very smart.

Between the three, it makes no difference. Most people seem to intuitively understand this, which is why they historically don't bother to take time out of their life to vote at all. That's why it was so important to keep Paul and his popularity under wraps. The average person pretty much gets the same shaft if any of those three win.
tyler477
03-09-2008, 05:10 AM
obama sucks. thats why there is rhetoric. duh.
ryanmkeisling
03-09-2008, 05:48 AM
Just wondering why people are dogging on him so bad now? I'm seeing this undertone of antiobama stuff all over the media and even in the message boards. To be honest I would rather he get voted in than 4 more years of the clinton / bush dynasty or have McWar as a president.

edit: Just for the record I will note be voting any of the three... I'll be going to the polls with a marks a lot in my hand ;)

I can think of many reasons why I would not want to see him elected and I posted a lengthy post in another part of this forum detailing this. But the number one reason is:

Zbigniew Brzezinski -he is the neocons mastermind for global domination, and ANYONE who has ANY doubts about this should pick up a book he wrote in 1997 titled,

The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives

read that and come back here and say you would like to see Obama as president.

Brzezinski is also one of the top advisors to the Obama campaign. When I found this out I was floored. That book will really open your eyes and it is strait from the horses mouth. They are all the same thing; Hillary, Obama, and Mccain. Watch this (it has a nice interview with Dr. Paul):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145
ForLiberty-RonPaul
03-09-2008, 06:06 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Qy97pFDLig

BO=CFR

nuff said
JosephTheLibertarian
03-09-2008, 08:34 AM
Just wondering why people are dogging on him so bad now? I'm seeing this undertone of antiobama stuff all over the media and even in the message boards. To be honest I would rather he get voted in than 4 more years of the clinton / bush dynasty or have McWar as a president.

edit: Just for the record I will note be voting any of the three... I'll be going to the polls with a marks a lot in my hand ;)

You want to embrace socialism?
rpfreedom08
03-09-2008, 08:48 AM
^^ oh yeah that's an awesome documentary! Thanks a ton guys for all the responces. I guess I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt just because the other two are such well known scum bags. I will not be voting for any of these people like I stated before, I was just secretly hoping maybe obama would get in just because we don't know him as a leader yet, he says he opposes NAFTA....... Wait now I see why he's a better liar :D
rpfreedom08
03-09-2008, 08:48 AM
You want to embrace socialism?

no but will we not embrace Socialism with hillary? Or Fascism with McCain?
Truth Warrior
03-09-2008, 08:51 AM
<sarcasm>

AWW, you all are just a bunch of racists! :)

Vote Obama, it's the only affirmative action PC thing to do.

<\sarcasm>
JosephTheLibertarian
03-09-2008, 08:55 AM
no but will we not embrace Socialism with hillary? Or Fascism with McCain?

Exactly. Embrace none of them. lol. Is that so hard to do? If you don't have a dog in the race, you just sit on the sidelines and call people socialists. It's like playin' the Agnostic in a debate between an Atheist and a Christian. ;)
rpfreedom08
03-09-2008, 08:56 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Qy97pFDLig

BO=CFR

nuff said


Yep, CFR is very anti-American and I understand who our domestic enemies are. I guess I was just picking the lesser of 3 evils in my mind, however what makes him less evil? Because he is a better liar. I understand this now, thanks guys.
rpfreedom08
03-09-2008, 08:57 AM
Exactly. Embrace none of them. lol. Is that so hard to do? If you don't have a dog in the race, you just sit on the sidelines and call people socialists. It's like playin' the Agnostic in a debate between an Atheist and a Christian. ;)

lol, gotcha :)
rpfreedom08
03-09-2008, 09:00 AM
this movie is interesting. http://youtube.com/watch?v=OLgn3OeNCdo&feature=related
SlapItHigh
03-09-2008, 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by rpfreedom08
ANd hillary isn't? The more people dog on obama the better the chances that hillary or mcwar will win. I don't think that is very smart.

How is that not smart? It is only "not smart" to someone who has been fooled by the Obama myth (that he is somehow any different than either of them). Obama should be dogged a lot more than he has been because even people here on this board are fooled by him. What is so different between him and Hillary? Honestly, I'd RATHER have hillary as the prez than Obama but what is the real big difference??????? I won't be voting for either but I'll be hoping that hillary can pull off a win over Obama if it comes down to that.