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Liberté
03-07-2008, 03:37 PM
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kimo
03-07-2008, 04:10 PM
My prediction, with a pending recession a new war is required. Venezuela has played into their hands by crossing into Columbia. The United States will send a brigade to assist the Columbian Government, which will crush Venezuela in a few days, and allow the U.S. to seize all the expropriated oil fields and return them to Exxon.

May I ask where did you get information that Venezuela crossed into Columbia?
Latest Bush interview?
Have you link or source?

hairball
03-07-2008, 05:22 PM
My prediction, with a pending recession a new war is required. Venezuela has played into their hands by crossing into Columbia. The United States will send a brigade to assist the Columbian Government, which will crush Venezuela in a few days, and allow the U.S. to seize all the expropriated oil fields and return them to Exxon.

You almost say it as if it were a BAD thing?

Oh, that it would be true, but alas, it wn't work out that way.

pcosmar
03-07-2008, 07:19 PM
My prediction, with a pending recession a new war is required. Venezuela has played into their hands by crossing into Columbia. The United States will send a brigade to assist the Columbian Government, which will crush Venezuela in a few days, and allow the U.S. to seize all the expropriated oil fields and return them to Exxon.

Only in a Neo-Con wet dream.

I have no doubt that the Globalists would like to control that oil, they have been provoking Chavez for years.
I doubt that taking Venezuela would prove to be easy.
They are well armed and ready.

New Governor Of Alaska
03-07-2008, 08:43 PM
The United States will send a brigade to assist the Columbian Government, which will crush Venezuela in a few days.

Are you sure that US will crush Venezuela in a few days?

kimo
03-07-2008, 08:46 PM
There are a lot McCainis on this board. Nothing to do about it.
They just love sticking here..and educate us:(

New Governor Of Alaska
03-07-2008, 08:57 PM
There are a lot McCainis on this board. Nothing to do about it.
They just love sticking here..and educate us:(

The neocons know they are loosing so they cannot think clear...

OPEC Supports Venezuela in Case Exxon Mobil :)

ABN 05/03/2008

The conference of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) has unanimously, issued a resolution of support to Venezuela in the ongoing legal dispute undertaken by Exxon Mobil which pretends to act against the sovereign decisions of the Venezuelan State.

The information was issued on Wednesday by the president of Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) and Minister of Energy and Oil, Rafael Ramnírez, from Vienna; Austria, after the end of 148th Meeting of the OPEC Conference.
http://www.embavenez-us.org/news.php?nid=4089


Different countries question Colombian military action in Ecuadorian territory
http://www.embavenez-us.org/news.php?nid=4087

ryanmkeisling
03-07-2008, 09:22 PM
Only in a Neo-Con wet dream.

I have no doubt that the Globalists would like to control that oil, they have been provoking Chavez for years.
I doubt that taking Venezuela would prove to be easy.
They are well armed and ready.

Chavez would fight Bush using every last resource. It would not be an easy fight either there are a lot of Chavistas down there. I would love to see Bush get his ass handed to him by Chavez, we have no business there; we have caused enough trouble in the entire region (the failed coup?). Despite what lies our media tells us, Chavez is a decent leader and is very popular, although he does leave some things to be desired .

ladyliberty3
03-07-2008, 10:05 PM
"Chavez would fight Bush using every last resource. It would not be an easy fight either there are a lot of Chavistas down there. I would love to see Bush get his ass handed to him by Chavez, we have no business there; we have caused enough trouble in the entire region (the failed coup?). Despite what lies our media tells us, Chavez is a decent leader and is very popular, although he does leave some things to be desired ."

So would I but not at the expense of our innocent soldiers. And what excuse would he use this time???? Terrorists? WMDs??? Or would they be so bold as to state it really was for the oil???

ryanmkeisling
03-07-2008, 10:16 PM
"Chavez would fight Bush using every last resource. It would not be an easy fight either there are a lot of Chavistas down there. I would love to see Bush get his ass handed to him by Chavez, we have no business there; we have caused enough trouble in the entire region (the failed coup?). Despite what lies our media tells us, Chavez is a decent leader and is very popular, although he does leave some things to be desired ."

So would I but not at the expense of our innocent soldiers. And what excuse would he use this time???? Terrorists? WMDs??? Or would they be so bold as to state it really was for the oil???

I agree that it would be horrible to send more innocent American youth to die for no reason or to be used as pawns in Bushes grand game of chess. They would use the same lame excuse they have been: freedom and safety. They should put Bush and Cheney in uniform and let them fight, I hear Cheney is a pretty good shot!

klamath
03-07-2008, 10:38 PM
When are you people going to get it in your head that there are leaders all over the world just like or worse than bush. Chavez is the same power hunger piece of shi* as Bush and Putin. Quit supporting a**holes just because we have an a**hole leader.

ChooseLiberty
03-07-2008, 10:48 PM
Another few years of Bush and his trotskyites and the US would be at war with the entire world.

ryanmkeisling
03-08-2008, 02:11 AM
When are you people going to get it in your head that there are leaders all over the world just like or worse than bush. Chavez is the same power hunger piece of shi* as Bush and Putin. Quit supporting a**holes just because we have an a**hole leader.

I do not support Chavez 100% and it really does not matter if I do because it's not where I live. I do however know plenty of Venezuelans and they LOVE him. He has done a great deal for the poor of that country, and when I say poor I mean we can't even imagine some of the poverty that exists in the Barrio's of Caracas and elsewhere in that country. If you spent any amount of time there you would see what I am talking about. He is nothing like Bush or Putin, and I will not accept any American media story that would support that he is; they have had it out for him since day one and not one of those news sources can be trusted. Power corrupts almost all leaders, everywhere. If you want the real news from that region you can try: narconews.com, but I would not trust anything you read about it in the MSM here, they have a clear agenda, and it is not reporting truth and fact about Hugo Chavez.

JosephTheLibertarian
03-08-2008, 02:31 AM
You almost say it as if it were a BAD thing?

Oh, that it would be true, but alas, it wn't work out that way.

That would be a good thing? Exxon is not your free market.

JosephTheLibertarian
03-08-2008, 02:33 AM
I do not support Chavez 100% and it really does not matter if I do because it's not where I live. I do however know plenty of Venezuelans and they LOVE him. He has done a great deal for the poor of that country, and when I say poor I mean we can't even imagine some of the poverty that exists in the Barrio's of Caracas and elsewhere in that country. If you spent any amount of time there you would see what I am talking about. He is nothing like Bush or Putin, and I will not accept any American media story that would support that he is; they have had it out for him since day one and not one of those news sources can be trusted. Power corrupts almost all leaders, everywhere. If you want the real news from that region you can try: narconews.com, but I would not trust anything you read about it in the MSM here, they have a clear agenda, and it is not reporting truth and fact about Hugo Chavez.

Great deal for the poor? By ruining their futures. Take a chapter from Augusto Pinochet, he used free market principles to make Chile prosperous. The leftists attack him because:

1. he did come down hard on the leftist fighters, so yeah

2. he was not a socialist, they attack anyone that is not a socialist. you don't see leftists criticizing how Stalin starved millions of his own people. You can just see the ignorants rally against how Pinochet killed a few thousand. But those thousands were fighting against him, so those deaths are understandable.

sophocles07
03-08-2008, 04:25 AM
Are you sure that US will crush Venezuela in a few days?

Yeah, this could actually prove very difficult considering that several other Latin American countries would come to Venezuela’s aid, and you might even have pressure from countries like Russia, Iran, China, as they are tied closely to Venezuela. Plus, Venezuela bought a bunch of weapons/etc from Russia not long ago. They’re no Grenada.

Plus, we’re stretched like Rome times ten, yo.


When are you people going to get it in your head that there are leaders all over the world just like or worse than bush. Chavez is the same power hunger piece of shi* as Bush and Putin. Quit supporting a**holes just because we have an a**hole leader.

Chavez is nowhere near the same ballpark as Bush or Putin.


Great deal for the poor? By ruining their futures. Take a chapter from Augusto Pinochet, he used free market principles to make Chile prosperous. The leftists attack him because:

1. he did come down hard on the leftist fighters, so yeah

2. he was not a socialist, they attack anyone that is not a socialist. you don't see leftists criticizing how Stalin starved millions of his own people. You can just see the ignorants rally against how Pinochet killed a few thousand. But those thousands were fighting against him, so those deaths are understandable.

This is all bullshit. The second you start arguing in favor of Pinochet, you should take a second look at yourself.

Zolah
03-08-2008, 05:07 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7284771.stm

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has said the "happy" end to the regional crisis with Colombia should boost unity in Latin America.

"We are all happy," Mr Chavez said afterwards.

"Peace! We must unite and integrate."


--Looks like more hard work for the lads in the CIA, creating wars isn't as easy as it used to be

ryanmkeisling
03-08-2008, 05:45 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7284771.stm
--Looks like more hard work for the lads in the CIA, creating wars isn't as easy as it used to be

LOL, so true. It has been refreshing to see change happening all over south america. They are finally sick of the US meddling in their affairs...

sophocles07
03-08-2008, 05:51 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7284771.stm

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has said the "happy" end to the regional crisis with Colombia should boost unity in Latin America.

"We are all happy," Mr Chavez said afterwards.

"Peace! We must unite and integrate."


--Looks like more hard work for the lads in the CIA, creating wars isn't as easy as it used to be

Thank God.

JosephTheLibertarian
03-08-2008, 06:32 AM
Yeah, this could actually prove very difficult considering that several other Latin American countries would come to Venezuela’s aid, and you might even have pressure from countries like Russia, Iran, China, as they are tied closely to Venezuela. Plus, Venezuela bought a bunch of weapons/etc from Russia not long ago. They’re no Grenada.

Plus, we’re stretched like Rome times ten, yo.



Chavez is nowhere near the same ballpark as Bush or Putin.



This is all bullshit. The second you start arguing in favor of Pinochet, you should take a second look at yourself.

Uh, no. I just said that they are understandable. People die in war. It's not like he took people out of their civilian lives and decided to murder them or take their food away. They fought, they died. boohoo

seapilot
03-08-2008, 04:02 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7284771.stm

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has said the "happy" end to the regional crisis with Colombia should boost unity in Latin America.

"We are all happy," Mr Chavez said afterwards.

"Peace! We must unite and integrate."


--Looks like more hard work for the lads in the CIA, creating wars isn't as easy as it used to be

Colombia and Venezuela do billions in trade, so it would have to be drastic for them to get into a war that would destroy both countries. Venezuela gets a lot of food imports from Colombia. Colombia also gets a lot of black market cheap gas from Venezuelans. It would be like us going to war with Canada. Hugo just loves attention like a spoiled child. When ignored he gets upset.

christagious
03-08-2008, 04:46 PM
Chavez would fight Bush using every last resource. It would not be an easy fight either there are a lot of Chavistas down there. I would love to see Bush get his ass handed to him by Chavez, we have no business there; we have caused enough trouble in the entire region (the failed coup?). Despite what lies our media tells us, Chavez is a decent leader and is very popular, although he does leave some things to be desired .

I agree with you 100%

christagious
03-08-2008, 04:47 PM
I do not support Chavez 100% and it really does not matter if I do because it's not where I live. I do however know plenty of Venezuelans and they LOVE him. He has done a great deal for the poor of that country, and when I say poor I mean we can't even imagine some of the poverty that exists in the Barrio's of Caracas and elsewhere in that country. If you spent any amount of time there you would see what I am talking about. He is nothing like Bush or Putin, and I will not accept any American media story that would support that he is; they have had it out for him since day one and not one of those news sources can be trusted. Power corrupts almost all leaders, everywhere. If you want the real news from that region you can try: narconews.com, but I would not trust anything you read about it in the MSM here, they have a clear agenda, and it is not reporting truth and fact about Hugo Chavez.

Yes, Chavez has done a great deal of good for Venezuela; I wouldn't want him to run our country, but the poor in Venezuela love him, he has a tremendous amount of support down their, despite what others on here say. Most people on these forums believe what the MSM says about him and they don't like him because he's a socialist.

christagious
03-08-2008, 04:50 PM
Great deal for the poor? By ruining their futures. Take a chapter from Augusto Pinochet, he used free market principles to make Chile prosperous. The leftists attack him because:

1. he did come down hard on the leftist fighters, so yeah

2. he was not a socialist, they attack anyone that is not a socialist. you don't see leftists criticizing how Stalin starved millions of his own people. You can just see the ignorants rally against how Pinochet killed a few thousand. But those thousands were fighting against him, so those deaths are understandable.

You gotta be fucking kidding me. Pinochet??? You are extremely ignorant if you think Pinochet was a bad leader. he was a military dictator that kidnapped, tortured, and killed thousands and thousands. Those deaths were not understandable. He was a military dictator that the US funded to lead a coup in order to support their corporate interests. Free market my ass.

By the way, watch the movie "Missing"

christagious
03-08-2008, 04:53 PM
This is all bullshit. The second you start arguing in favor of Pinochet, you should take a second look at yourself.

exactly


Uh, no. I just said that they are understandable. People die in war. It's not like he took people out of their civilian lives and decided to murder them or take their food away. They fought, they died. boohoo

Actually he did take people out of their civilian lives and murdered them. There were countless raids on peoples' houses. Actually, the US is on their way on becoming a government like Pinochet's. I'd say McCain may very well be the next Pinochet, possibly.

christagious
03-08-2008, 04:55 PM
Besides, I just read something about things cooling down in SA anyways so this whole situation may die off

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080307/wl_afp/latamdiplomacyconflict_080307210545

JosephTheLibertarian
03-08-2008, 05:17 PM
You gotta be fucking kidding me. Pinochet??? You are extremely ignorant if you think Pinochet was a bad leader. he was a military dictator that kidnapped, tortured, and killed thousands and thousands. Those deaths were not understandable. He was a military dictator that the US funded to lead a coup in order to support their corporate interests. Free market my ass.

By the way, watch the movie "Missing"

Ever hear of the "Chicago boys"? They were free market economists that went over to advise him, so yes, he did make many free market reforms. Read up on the "miracle of Chile." Not great on social issues, but they made great strides on fiscal policy, especially after the preceding socialist government pretty much ruined the nation.

pcosmar
03-08-2008, 05:30 PM
Read These,
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/09/19/us.cia.chile.ap/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/10/AR2006121000302.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20000919/index.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB125/index.htm

It is no wonder the US is disliked down there.

christagious
03-08-2008, 07:46 PM
Read These,
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/09/19/us.cia.chile.ap/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/10/AR2006121000302.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20000919/index.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB125/index.htm

It is no wonder the US is disliked down there.

And no wonder why they embrace socialism. The US with their "capitalism" and "free markets", if that's what you want to call it, come in and enslave and kill people and we expect them to not go the other way? They're very misguided and need to know the true meaning of capitalism in order to want to embrace it.

pcosmar
03-08-2008, 08:28 PM
And no wonder why they embrace socialism. The US with their "capitalism" and "free markets", if that's what you want to call it, come in and enslave and kill people and we expect them to not go the other way? They're very misguided and need to know the true meaning of capitalism in order to want to embrace it.

Those in power in the US also embrace socialism. Just a different brand.
Fabian socialists have been running this country for years. While they attack and vilify the Leninist/Marxist they have the same goal of global dominance.

JosephTheLibertarian
03-08-2008, 08:50 PM
And no wonder why they embrace socialism. The US with their "capitalism" and "free markets", if that's what you want to call it, come in and enslave and kill people and we expect them to not go the other way? They're very misguided and need to know the true meaning of capitalism in order to want to embrace it.

Why don't they look at what socialism did?

ryanmkeisling
03-08-2008, 08:52 PM
exactly



Actually he did take people out of their civilian lives and murdered them. There were countless raids on peoples' houses. Actually, the US is on their way on becoming a government like Pinochet's. I'd say McCain may very well be the next Pinochet, possibly.

There were plenty of "disappearances" also, as well as torture prisons. Not to mention much of the history is confusing and there are no real reliable sources and much of our "official" data regarding our involvement remains classified. What is clear: close to $8millon in US tax payers money was used to assist. It really is scary how similar the U.S. has become.