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TruePatriot44
03-06-2008, 07:19 PM
Story link below:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/ron-paul-to-dro.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/ron-paul-to-dro.html)

RonPaulFanInGA
03-06-2008, 07:20 PM
Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nate895
03-06-2008, 07:22 PM
If he actually does this, I may never forgive him.

familydog
03-06-2008, 07:23 PM
If he actually does this, I may never forgive him.

Lol

soapmistress
03-06-2008, 07:23 PM
What??? There's no video posted. Is this bull?

Zera
03-06-2008, 07:24 PM
I'm calling bullshit. There's no reason for him to drop out, at all. He said it himself, as long as he has funds, he's staying in.

nate895
03-06-2008, 07:25 PM
I'm calling bullshit. There's no reason for him to drop out, at all. He said it himself, as long as he has funds, he's staying in.

And that is why I will believe it when I see it.

Kludge
03-06-2008, 07:25 PM
If he actually does this, I may never forgive him.

As said in the beginning, it's about the message, not the man. Ron said in the beginning that the country isn't ready for him yet. This was more or less a way of seeing how the country reacted to him. And, compared to previous efforts, this was AMAZING. The message was heard by more then ever before and libertarianism (little "l") is becoming more popular then ever before.

Dr. Paul has done more for the libertarian message then almost ANYONE before him.

soapmistress
03-06-2008, 07:26 PM
The youtube channel shows last login 5 minutes ago and a new video with only 1 view so far. is this it??? NOOOOOOO!

rockandrollsouls
03-06-2008, 07:26 PM
If he drops out, I won't forgive him, and he won't be a hero of mine anymore. How can you preach such strong words and hand over a possible seat of power to someone like McCain. It baffles my mind.

nate895
03-06-2008, 07:26 PM
As said in the beginning, it's about the message, not the man. Ron said in the beginning that the country isn't ready for him yet. This was more or less a way of seeing how the country reacted to him. And, compared to previous efforts, this was AMAZING. The message was heard by more then ever before and libertarianism (little "l") is becoming more popular then ever before.

Dr. Paul has done more for the libertarian message then almost ANYONE before him.

But to drop out now, when there is nothing left to lose and everything to gain, why would you drop out?

Trigonx
03-06-2008, 07:26 PM
i won't believe it until i hear the words come from Dr. Paul's lips.

Ball
03-06-2008, 07:27 PM
What, another one?

zzz

TruePatriot44
03-06-2008, 07:27 PM
This is the latest video on his youtube profile. It is marked as private right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuxFfuqvqiM

jmdrake
03-06-2008, 07:27 PM
This really should be filed under "bad reporting". All the crap about Ron Paul sounding like a "liberal democrat" or "member of the ACLU" just because he believes in the constitution. :mad: Also I call B.S. on the premise of the whole article. So far Ron Paul has never leaked what he was about to do to the MSM. Why on earth would he start now?

Regards,

John M. Drake

TruthAtLast
03-06-2008, 07:27 PM
if this is true and Ron Paul has a surplus of funds, he has said that he would be able to then divert that money to help other Congressional candidates.

soapmistress
03-06-2008, 07:28 PM
the video is still set to private. they haven't made it public yet so i can't view it. can anyone else see it??

OrbitalGun
03-06-2008, 07:28 PM
..

Highland
03-06-2008, 07:29 PM
Say it ain't so.

chelu
03-06-2008, 07:30 PM
He's doing what his supporters have ordered. All one needs to do is look at the fundraising numbers and the number of votes in the most recent primaries. But then again with just 9 states left, I would want him to continue on, and see what the grassroots can pull off come September. But I wouldn't go as far as you said and call this unforgivable.

RonPaulFanInGA
03-06-2008, 07:30 PM
if this is true and Ron Paul has a surplus of funds, he has said that he would be able to then divert that money to help other Congressional candidates.

He needs to divert it all to: "Ron Paul--Independent 2008".

Or his own PAC (libertypac.net), which can then give it to all the right congressional candidates.

Please say it isn't so Ron!

rockandrollsouls
03-06-2008, 07:30 PM
I don't like how this video started. Ugh nooooo I can feel it coming. WHYYY

soapmistress
03-06-2008, 07:31 PM
It's Live Now!

Kludge
03-06-2008, 07:31 PM
[edit for quote]

Please edit and denote the pornographic material included on the web-page. I don't much mind it, but others may ;)

SteveMartin
03-06-2008, 07:31 PM
Is he going to announce the Independent run with Bob Barr, or just endorse Bob Barr?

TruePatriot44
03-06-2008, 07:32 PM
Can someone link it without the porn?

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 07:32 PM
i guess we will see tonight if they post a video.

jmdrake
03-06-2008, 07:32 PM
Oh, and be sure and leave plenty of comments for this stupid article. If this is the last hurrah (and I don't think he is dropping out now) let's go out with a bang!

Cinderella
03-06-2008, 07:33 PM
what?!?! is he dropping out?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kludge
03-06-2008, 07:33 PM
The story is legit. The video was posted.

nate895
03-06-2008, 07:33 PM
Has anybody watched? I want to know.

DealzOnWheelz
03-06-2008, 07:34 PM
whats up with all the porn??

Zera
03-06-2008, 07:34 PM
Removed BY THE USER!!!

LiveToWin
03-06-2008, 07:34 PM
"There are FOUR boxes to be used in defense of liberty:

soap,

ballot,

jury,

and ammo.

Please use in that order."

-Ed Howdershelt



If this is true we just move straight to box 3.

soapmistress
03-06-2008, 07:34 PM
Now It Has Been Removed By The User! Lol

constitutional
03-06-2008, 07:34 PM
my heart just skipped a beat.

JS4Pat
03-06-2008, 07:34 PM
It feels like he dropped out of the presidential race awhile ago.:(

Dave Pedersen
03-06-2008, 07:34 PM
29 2007-12-09 $20,063.55 266
130 2007-12-25 $19,894.44 269
131 2008-01-18 $16,656.36 242
132 2008-02-09 $16,102.05 267
133 2008-02-12 $14,602.57 223
134 2008-01-13 $14,509.65 224
135 2008-02-10 $10,805.53 164
136 2008-02-26 $10,139.76 189
137 2008-02-13 $8,228.12 110
138 2008-02-16 $7,961.41 94
139 2008-02-11 $6,621.36 128
140 2008-02-14 $6,102.99 102
141 2008-02-29 $5,798.66 95
142 2008-02-21 $5,672.65 59
143 2008-03-02 $5,599.10 37
144 2008-02-15 $5,188.90 103
145 2008-02-17 $5,073.00 74
146 2008-02-19 $5,070.69 110
147 2008-03-05 $4,425.82 95
148 2008-02-25 $3,935.00 39
149 2008-02-27 $3,728.00 66
150 2008-02-20 $3,551.00 51
151 2008-02-22 $3,425.00 61
152 2008-02-28 $3,397.15 58
153 2008-03-04 $3,139.85 76
154 2008-02-23 $3,128.44 53
155 2008-02-24 $2,736.16 32
156 2008-03-03 $2,340.00 35
157 2008-03-01 $1,518.50 33
158 2008-03-06 $1,382.03 30

Maybe he isn't getting enough money? Donations have certainly diminished but there is nothing to lose by staying in the race. McCain could become ineligible or the economy could collapse and the people could experience an awakening.. anything could happen.

Maybe Dr. Ron prefers to be a messenger to a leader after all is said and done.

So be it.

RonPaulFanInGA
03-06-2008, 07:35 PM
The story is legit. The video was posted.

Yep, it's over people.

:(:(:(:(

SteveMartin
03-06-2008, 07:35 PM
Well, NONE of the signage says "Republican" on it anywhere.

LET THE INDEPENDENT RUN BEGIN!!!

Mitt Romneys sideburns
03-06-2008, 07:35 PM
Is it a bad thing that I recognized the link as a pornographic website before I even clicked the link?

Kludge
03-06-2008, 07:35 PM
"Victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race"

SteveMartin
03-06-2008, 07:36 PM
HE WILL ENDORSE BOB BARR TOMORROW, if he doesn't run with him.

Zera
03-06-2008, 07:37 PM
My internet is too slow to load the video, but if this is true...

No, no no no no!!!!!

We still have a chance to win at the convention! Why is he doing this!? WHY?!?!?!

blackmouth
03-06-2008, 07:38 PM
HE didn't drop out. He still wants us to fight on with the message of liberty and continue to caucus in the remaining primaries.


DC June 21st!

Nix
03-06-2008, 07:38 PM
Look at the deleted video, he's saying he will continue to get as many delegates and work on the march on Washington.!!!!!!!!

[Link to porn site redacted by Moderator]

Kludge
03-06-2008, 07:38 PM
Donations should be redirected to The Liberty PAC.

Cheers.

nate895
03-06-2008, 07:38 PM
Yep, it's over people.

:(:(:(:(

Until it has been posted on youtube, I am not giving up. And if this turns out to be the case, I will also fell as if he screwed us out of money for his Congressional Bid.

rockandrollsouls
03-06-2008, 07:38 PM
:(He didn't say the words "dropping out" or suspending his campaign. I'm so confused...

DealzOnWheelz
03-06-2008, 07:38 PM
Ron Paul Did Not Say He Would Drop Out

yongrel
03-06-2008, 07:38 PM
What a condescending POS article.

"But for a candidate who ran well outside his party on issues as crucial as the War in Iraq and civil liberties, where Paul sounds more like a liberal Democrat or a member of the ACLU than a mainstream Republican."

Jeez

AmyPA
03-06-2008, 07:38 PM
HQ just brought 20 tons of materials into PA today. It's not over.

Mordan
03-06-2008, 07:39 PM
what's this crap? a mole in the campaign again?

yongrel
03-06-2008, 07:39 PM
HQ just brought 20 tons of materials into PA today. It's not over.

yay

MGreen
03-06-2008, 07:39 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I did see a new video on my Ron Paul subscription list when visiting youtube.com. It said "Ron Paul's Message to Supporters" but when I clicked on it, youtube said it was unavailable. EDIT: And clearly, others saw the video there as well.

I hope it's not a message of dropping out. Maybe the media just 'misunderstood' him again.

ItsTime
03-06-2008, 07:39 PM
where the hell is the link?

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 07:40 PM
if that's the video, he isn't dropping out. he just said they will continue fighting for delegates... and still wants a rally.

constitutional
03-06-2008, 07:40 PM
Cause we dont have a chance at winning the convention, this isnt a dream, or peter pan, this is the real world, wake up.

Get a grip, you don't always have to by an ass face telling people what to think.

troll.

colecrowe
03-06-2008, 07:40 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=126545

What is the subtitle of this forum? So all you GOP lovers, stop giving up, and let's get the job done.

Starting tomorrow, I will be setting up booths with Ron Paul literature and also walking around gathering signatures at the local university, community colleges, stores, etc. Also, I can get scores of sigs at my work at the National Guard Armory. I can get scores from family and friends. I can get about 150 from the meetup groups.

If you want the PDF, PM me.

After I make a backup copy, I will be sending these to the campaign. I will post the images online with all personal info blacked out.

to zoom in on image go here, zoom is to top-right of image: http://picasaweb.google.com/croweswedding/RP/photo#5174763392170997490

http://lh4.google.com/croweswedding/R9Bz41sMNvI/AAAAAAAAB6k/BYQ1RmXaw3Y/rppetition.PNG?imgmax=512


Absolutely nothing will come from an indy run. You will only have a media blackout worse than it is now, and an even lower chance of winning the general election that now.

Why do you think that? What chance do we have of winning now? The same chance as Kucinich winning the Dem nomination: negative 10 percent.

Ross Perot only spent 64 million on his campaign--a little over 100 million in todays dollars. NOT BILLIONS. So anybody that says so is a fing idiot!--actually they are probably dishonest. And Ron Paul's grassroots is a hundred times more devoted and ready to sacrifice and fight. And the nay-sayers will say "We can't get on the ballots--it's impossible!" Oh, but Ross Perot could? Morons. And Ross Perot was in first place by 9 points (or 8--whatever it was) before he dropped out and said he was threatened (and he still got 19% of the vote--which is great--and Ron Paul is way more amazing than Perot, with way bigger support. And the conditions are similar--there was a recession in '92--now 70% of Americans polled think the economy is bad and likely to get worse, inflation is soaring and gas is still painfully expensive. And then you have the war. The Dems have the war, but they can't get the fiscal, immigration, gun, and school conservatives. The Republicans have what they have (i would argue, not much, with their current candidate, except they would be guaranteed 90% of the pro-war vote (so 30% maybe))--but 72% of Americans want the war to end.

the only reason Ron Paul wouldn't run indy is if he doesn't get overwhelming support for it. That is the only reason he ran in this race. If hundreds of thousands of people write him letters saying they want him to run, they will send money, and get signatures, and canvass, then he will do it. As one of those soldiers that has given to him and worked for his campaign, and knowing that so many of my buddies in Iraq and soon to go back want him to be President so bad, I feel like he will consider that and do it for us troops (and of course for everyone else)--but I mean, it has to mean something incredibly huge that the nation's troops want him as their commander in chief so badly! Please Mr. Paul, please run, please fight, and we will fight with you for a win...

If Ron Paul declared an indy run (after March 4th of course) then he could raise 25 million right off the bat. Everyone I know would give twice what they already have. We could get 200,000 precinct captains and get the 38 states back that are useless to us now in the Repub race because they've already voted, and have 7 months to canvass. Run a couple nationwide amazing infomercials.

Country over party. Remember what all the founders (the good ones) said about parties? Do you think they'd agree that Ron Paul should care more about offending the GOP than fighting for the Constitution, freedom, and government of the people?
* * *


We could have an entire forum, NOT A SUBFORUM OF G.C., devoted to "Independent/Third Party Run"... (I'm definitely for indy...but it doesn't matter for the Forum.)

Then we could give every state a ballot subforum. We could have 1 master "ballot" subforum for talk about meta-ballot issues, like legal challenges, places to find sources about ballot issues, etc.

There could be 1 main subforum for general discussion.

This poll is about numbers, not necessarily percentage. If a ton of us want one, that would be great to know.


March 4, 2008: Paul defeats Peden

March 5, 2008: Paul announces independent run

April 15, 2008: Paul sets new, single-day online fundraising record

June 1, 2008: Paul at 15% in multiple opinion polls

July 31, 2008: Paul, with double-digit support, accepts presidential debates invitation

September 1, 2008: McCain, Clinton and Paul in three-way tie in national polls

October 31, 2008: Race still neck-and-neck-and-neck

November 4, 2008: Paul wins

November 5, 2008: Paul resigns TX-14 U.S. House seat, Peden the favorite to win special election

January 20, 2009: Paul sworn in as 44th U.S. President

Well, you guys can go ahead and not give a crap about your country, but my brother and I are going to Iraq in August, so I actually give a crap, because I'd like Ron Paul to start bringing us home quickly in January, and then he could start sending us after al-Queda and Osama, etc. So, yeah, go ahead and call me "not a real RP supporter" or say that I "don't think he can win"--because I actually think it is incredibly important that he be our president, and I absolutely think he can win as an independent, and I care much, much more about ending the Iraq war, restoring freedom, and saving our economy than I do about the GOP. And how many Americans would love to start to take down the horrible two-party system? Most. (INCLUDING Ron Paul--the stupidest, most incredible thing that people use as an argument against an indy run, is that "Ron Paul has always been a Republican--he's the true Republican--he would lose credibility with the GOP (just forget that he has almost none now because 85% of Repubs are rabidly pro-war and most his primary votes came from new registrees)--blah, blah, blah--BUT they forget, Ron Paul hates the party system, just like the founders did. And what of his undying loyalty to the wonderful GOP? BS: he resigned from the GOP--and he's a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party.
http://lh6.google.com/croweswedding/R89LIlsMNtI/AAAAAAAAB6M/704CLpJKn-E/rppetition.PNG

TruthAtLast
03-06-2008, 07:40 PM
I still can't see the video.

What are all of these delegates that have worked so hard all along suppose to do?

jrskblx125
03-06-2008, 07:40 PM
WTF is going on???? did he straight up say "IM DROPPING OUT" or is his campaign just saying fuck it and letting his supporters do the work... i say plan b would be his best bet

Kludge
03-06-2008, 07:40 PM
:(He didn't say the words "dropping out" or suspending his campaign. I'm so confused...

He's not officially dropping out, he's just backing off and re-assuring us that his presidential bid is simply to spread the message of freedom, not a serious run for the presidency. Take it how you will.

colecrowe
03-06-2008, 07:40 PM
AHHHHHHH STOP IT GOT DAMN IT!!!!!

HE WON'T GET THE HUGE SUPPORT YOU THINK HE WILL IN ANY POLL!!!!

STOP BEING DELUSIONAL!

You are part of the people that make the grassroots look like idiots and lunatics. Fucking stop it.

Why do you say that? If so, why are you here and why did you give huge amounts of time and money to Ron Paul? So he could get huge support and win the Presidency. We just went after the completely wrong base, GOP voters, who are 85% die-hard pro Iraq War and pro USA PATRIOT Act.

You just said he won't get any big amount of support--so, do you think he is going to win at the Convention? How is he going to do that, without huge support? And if he did, 70% of Republican voters would still be against him and laugh at the Convention results. But only a complete psychotic retard could ever think Ron Paul will win at the Convention, let alone get to speak at it. Speak at it? He is against the war and against McCain, he said he wouldn't endorse him.

They will not let him speak. And what good will it do. Buchanan spoke at the convention.

Listen, people are constantly asking me, "When is Ron Paul going to announce that he is running independent?" They are desperate for it.


If you want Ron Paul to run for 3rd party then you are unfaithful and coward!

I'm so tired of this crap!

If you don't want Ron Paul to run indy, then you don't want what's best for this country. If you don't think he can win, then you are being willfully blind, and contradicting what you thought for so long: it was going to be extremely, awesomely tough for him to win the Nomination considering that 85% of GOP voters were for the war, but you supported him then, and you thought he could win it, and win the general if he got it.

And, by the way, how about you go join the military and join me and all those troops that were trying their hardest to send a message to Ron Paul and the country by donating overwhelmingly to him. Aholes.

I have given so much to Ron Paul, but I also have hope that he will win the white house... even if it means going iNDY, which I think is, by far, the best option.

You want me to put up or shut up, well then here (this is besides the over 300 cold calls and 200 houses I've canvassed, plus more crap--this doesn't count the $100 for the MLK money bomb, the $51 for the Anniversary money bomb, the 250 for the danged blimp, the 250 for something else I don't even remember now, plus 100 here and another 100 there, plus about 75 for my meetup collection baskets!):

this doesn't include another 100 and 100 for his congressional seat

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Paul has said repeatedly that he will not run 3rd party. Why would he lie to us like that?

No he hasn't!

He was absolutely right--and honest--to say that he "has no intention of going iNDEPENDENT or Third Party" because, right now (at least before today's results), his only intention is to win the Republican nomination. He 100% fully intends (or intended) to wholeheartedly run and try his best to win as a Republican while he is running as such, and he says so. He has NEVER, EVER said "I will not run iNDY". He has never, ever said "I will never run iNDY". But IF it becomes clear he cannot win the nomination, then he can go independent.

I would be very, very, very sad if he didn't go iNDY. He could win it, especially against Hillary (and she seems like the chosen one (it's all about the superdelegates).

Ron Paul said that he will continue to run as long as he continues to get support: canvassing and financing. He's not stupid. He will be able to see when continuing to run Republican will be a futile waste. Then if he has the support he mentioned, he will have to keep going. Key points:

1. A brokered convention is not going to happen.

2. Canvassing is done for almost all the states as of now, unless he goes iNDY. If he goes iNDY, on the other hand, we would have 7 months to canvass and get 200,000 plus precinct captains.

3. ...:

my dad said he'd donate another 500 to Paul (IF he announces 3rd party) (he donated 200 on Dec. 16th--but that was when it seemed like he REALLY could maybe, possibly win the Nom. I would donate 500 the day he declares (even though it will hurt financially), whereas I can't afford to give anymore (I gave just over a 1,100 in Q4 to the cause--so shut up) for his Republican run; and gramps would probably wager another 1776.00

The 2nd and 3rd tier, broader-base of supporters aren't (many or most of them) going to donate MORE--if they already have once--because TO THEM it is obvious or at least nearly certain that he's not going to get the Nom from the Republican party (I'm not saying I believe that--but they DO). However, they would be very willing and enthusiastic about supporting him in an iNDEPENDENT run.


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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/20/poll-an-independent-president/

July 20, 2007, 5:08 pm Poll: An Independent President (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/20/poll-an-independent-president/)

By Megan Thee (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/author/mthee/)

In a New York Times/CBS News Poll taken last week, half of Americans said a president who is neither a Republican nor a Democrat could govern effectively.
And with 6 in 10 Republican primary voters and almost 4 in 10 Democratic primary voters saying they are not satisfied with their party’s current slate of candidates for the presidential nomination, the political environment could be ripe for an independent candidate to break into the race.
[THAT'S HALF]
Michael Bloomberg, a newly minted independent who says he’s not intent on making a run for the White House even though he just switched affiliations, is largely unknown by most Americans. Six in 10 registered voters said they haven’t heard enough about him yet to have an opinion; 9 percent view him favorably; 9 percent unfavorably; and 18 percent said they are undecided.
The current poll suggests that Americans are significantly more optimistic about the chances of a third-party president meeting with success, than they were in 1995 before the Bill Clinton-Bob Dole-Ross Perot contest. In the summer of 1995, just 30 percent of Americans said an independent president could govern effectively and 61 percent said such a president would encounter serious problems dealing with Congress.
Forty-four percent of those polled recently said such a president would have trouble dealing with Congress.

Independents and Republicans are significantly more supportive of a third-party president than are Democrats. Similarly, younger Americans are more open to the idea of an independent president — as respondent age increases, the incidence of those saying an independent could govern effectively decreases.


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Yeah--we couldn't get on the ballots WITH SEVEN MONTHS TO DO SO?! Whatever. What a bunch of crap. How the F did Perot do it? We have way more grassroots than he did. And DON'T SAY, "With his billions." He spent 65 million--look on wikipedia. What cost $65000000 in 1990 would cost $107,402,877.98 in 2007. source: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi


You know what's really "never gonna happen"? The Republican nomination. So for people that want ONE THING and one thing only--Ron Paul to be in the whitehouse--an iNDY run must be discussed. For all you that care more about "changing the GOP", fine--you can continue to argue your point that that would be better than a Ron Paul win in the General.


An independent run is virtually impossible.
The ballot access battle is ridiculously difficult and would never happen
if Ron Paul tried to go independent.

With the sheer numbers of grassroots supporters already keyed in
the feasibility of undercutting the MSM stranglehold in the general election exists.
The organization does not cease to exist - who wants to abandon hope?
Not while we are still organized - that would be nuts.
Let us keep this thing together - no matter what.

The biggest part of making a third-party run is already in place.

The only realistic choice is to go with the Libertarian Party.

I won't vote for anyone but Ron Paul, no matter what happens.

But all this is still premature - let's wait for the results.
It is only a few hours until all the rest of the cards are on the table.


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Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from June 26 to June 27. The poll has a 3-point error margin.
More than twice as many voters think it would be good for the country if an independent candidate were to win the White House in 2008 than think it would be bad (45 percent good, 19 percent bad). In addition, there is rare partisan agreement on the issue as 42 percent of Democrats and 44 percent of Republicans think electing an independent candidate would be good for the country, as do 56 percent of self-described independents.
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Furthermore, a 67 percent majority says they would consider casting their ballot for an independent — including more than 6 in 10 Democrats and Republicans.
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gocubsgo
03-06-2008, 07:41 PM
here's the link porn free
http://tubemall.net/undeletube.php?v=nuxFfuqvqiM

Nix
03-06-2008, 07:41 PM
Look at the deleted video, he's saying he will continue to get as many delegates and work on the march on Washington.!!!!!!!!

[Link to porn site redacted by Moderator]

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 07:41 PM
strategy convention!

Paulitical Correctness
03-06-2008, 07:41 PM
I've had my fair share of negative Nancy moments, but good God you people.

What's with the "sky is falling" group think going on here?

I can't decide if the article pisses me off more, or if you all do. Wtfinghell, I will believe nothing of the sort until I hear Ron Paul speak it himself.

Zera
03-06-2008, 07:41 PM
Cause we dont have a chance at winning the convention, this isnt a dream, or peter pan, this is the real world, wake up.

I get so sad when veteran members lose hope like this.

There is still a chance to win. If you don't know why, you don't understand the complex world of delegates. It's far more complicated than the media makes it seem.

NEPA_Revolution
03-06-2008, 07:41 PM
He said CONTINUE FIGHTING FOR DELEGATES. I dont think that means he is dropping out.

ljkalk
03-06-2008, 07:42 PM
For some reason, my husband and I saw it, when I went to log in to rate it,...it got removed! RON PAUL IS NOT DROPPING OUT!!!!!!!! I hope the vid apears again.....it is so good!

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 07:42 PM
ABC is outright lying!!!!

Akus
03-06-2008, 07:42 PM
As said in the beginning, it's about the message, not the man. Ron said in the beginning that the country isn't ready for him yet. Bullshit.
If he drops out, I would be pissed. I've worked so hard to get him elected. We've spent so much $$ and so much effort and so much heart and sould for this. I hope this is not true because if it is, then really, why bother.

You may rebuttal that we can still elect congressmen who think like ROn Paul, but why? So they'd drop out at the last possible moment?

sluggo
03-06-2008, 07:42 PM
Either way, it's only over when WE quit.

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 07:43 PM
here's the link porn free
http://tubemall.net/undeletube.php?v=nuxFfuqvqiM

watch it. he states they will continue to fight as long as the funds are there.

ItsTime
03-06-2008, 07:43 PM
maybe they are going to redo the video saying he is not dropping out? because abc is confused.

nate895
03-06-2008, 07:43 PM
watch it. he states they will continue to fight as long as the funds are there.

I am, and I do not feel like he is dropping out.

rockandrollsouls
03-06-2008, 07:44 PM
I'm just saying, if I was in his position I would do everything in my power to go as far as I can with this idea....handing McCain or Hillary the presidency so easily seems to be SO against the message.

Yes, it's about the message, not the man. However, Ron is the vehicle of the message! Whether he drops out or not it doesn't matter...it's feeling like the campaign is losing it's fire and I don't like it! ALL THE WAY PEOPLE!!!!

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 07:44 PM
maybe they are going to redo the video saying he is not dropping out? because abc is confused.

ABC is playing propaganda games.
Everyone already thinks he dropped out... now they are adding more crap that isn't true.
My own dad thought he had dropped out... i'm like wha???????
he watches fox news.

Paulitical Correctness
03-06-2008, 07:45 PM
"He did not fare so well in the Republican Primary in Texas, getting less than 5 percent of the vote and no delegates."

Wtf is this?

camped69
03-06-2008, 07:45 PM
The Oregonian reported on the front page that Ron Paul and Huckabee dropped out yesterday.
Keep spreading the word of Freedom people. Because ultimately, it comes to we, the people.

Kludge
03-06-2008, 07:45 PM
I get so sad when veteran members lose hope like this.

There is still a chance to win. If you don't know why, you don't understand the complex world of delegates. It's far more complicated than the media makes it seem.

Just like how I tell my banker that my employment troubles are more complex then he understands.

Every day he calls my house,

"Blah blah blah, you don't have enough money to afford your house".

"I'll pay it off! It's just that the job market is in a slump! I have so many skills... Hell, I went to college for four years.... I'll get a job, you wait and see, mister!"

Penners
03-06-2008, 07:46 PM
the abc "news" appears to me to be a BLOG post. Any confirmation on what the video is/was?

SteveMartin
03-06-2008, 07:46 PM
Go Independent, Dr. Paul!!!

We'll follow you to the gates of hell if you do, and DONATIONS WILL SKYROCKET AGAIN!

ljkalk
03-06-2008, 07:46 PM
He also said to March on June 21st on D.C....the campain can not be involved! Lets roll!

kimo
03-06-2008, 07:47 PM
I really wish you all americans to follow less that crap abc, cnn, faux gives you..whatever
..and make stories off it//

TastyWheat
03-06-2008, 07:47 PM
I think the goal is clear now. HIJACK THE CONVENTION!

PopeDonzel
03-06-2008, 07:48 PM
Ron Paul didn't drop out. He's awesome.

colecrowe
03-06-2008, 07:48 PM
Absolutely. We can win. And it would do so much to spread the message. 100 times more than it has already even. Imagine him up on that debate stage with Hillary and McCain.


Go Independent, Dr. Paul!!!

We'll follow you to the gates of hell if you do, and DONATIONS WILL SKYROCKET AGAIN!

Zera
03-06-2008, 07:49 PM
I don't think anyone believed the ABC story until that video showed up. It was hidden, then someone gave a link that had porn in it, and then it was deleted... Stuff just got so confusing! :(

ItsTime
03-06-2008, 07:49 PM
//

RonPaulFanInGA
03-06-2008, 07:50 PM
March On Washington: June 21, 2008!

Spread The Word!

MGreen
03-06-2008, 07:50 PM
*marks calendar for June 21

soapmistress
03-06-2008, 07:50 PM
I watched the first 30 seconds, then I couldnt stand the suspense so I clicked on the comments, only to realize they were comments from before the video was working, so then I went back and it had been removed already. :(

constitutional
03-06-2008, 07:50 PM
March On Washington: June 21, 2008!

Spread The Word!

where'd you pull that out of? lol

nate895
03-06-2008, 07:51 PM
March On Washington: June 21, 2008!

Spread The Word!

Day after school gets out here, expect to interfere with mounds of 8th graders showing up for their field trips as well.

ItsTime
03-06-2008, 07:51 PM
that break the matrix thing looks like junk... what a good way to give the movement a bad name.


March On Washington: June 21, 2008!

Spread The Word!

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 07:52 PM
Absolutely. We can win. And it would do so much to spread the message. 100 times more than it has already even. Imagine him up on that debate stage with Hillary and McCain.

They won't let him in.... Perot was the first and last exception to their block-out all other candidates rule.

NEPA_Revolution
03-06-2008, 07:52 PM
Just to lighten the mood. When I saw this thread I almost Peden my pants!

Rangeley
03-06-2008, 07:53 PM
The video does not say he is dropping out.

Kludge
03-06-2008, 07:53 PM
that break the matrix thing looks like junk... what a good way to give the movement a bad name.


??? Inside joke?

Zera
03-06-2008, 07:53 PM
Day after school gets out here, expect to interfere with mounds of 8th graders showing up for their field trips as well.

Weird, I'm going on my 8th grade trip later this month.

Actually, I just remembered they changed it so we could have more time. But it was usually in late April or early May.

SteveMartin
03-06-2008, 07:53 PM
Imagine a Paul-Barr Independent ticket with millions and millions of dollars worth of hard-hitting paid infommericals...

WE WOULD WIN. I SWEAR WE WOULD WIN!!!

TruthAtLast
03-06-2008, 07:53 PM
I'm still trying to watch the video and apparently it has been "buffering" for 10 min

Highland
03-06-2008, 07:53 PM
It was a great video...he handed it over to granny! Wow...that is great! We need to support her all the way now that Ron dropped an acceptable date. Good news for granny! I support her...now that Ron has supported her efforts and they are not divided. This was a legal issue...he did not drop out...just dodged the liability.

Go Ron Go! We can help with media for the rally...ads...whatever

Jeremy
03-06-2008, 07:53 PM
Maybe they removed it because they saw the ABC article, so they were like "what the heck, he isn't dropping out" So they just scrapped the vid and will make another one later that is more clear

nate895
03-06-2008, 07:53 PM
They won't let him in.... Perot was the first and last exception to their block-out all other candidates rule.

While I am against a third party run, I believe that they would let him in, simply because the panel on Fox News said he would if he ran Independent (after Tea Party), and Fox News would be the first to want to shut him up.

Zera
03-06-2008, 07:54 PM
Just to lighten the mood. When I saw this thread I almost Peden my pants!

tee-hee, almost as cheesy as the Putin jokes.

Kludge
03-06-2008, 07:54 PM
Imagine a Paul-Barr Independent ticket with millions and millions of dollars worth of hard-hitting paid infommericals...

WE WOULD WIN. I SWEAR WE WOULD WIN!!!

"I'ma get that job, mister!"

Yeah... I'm starting to troll at this point. Away I go ;)

Akus
03-06-2008, 07:54 PM
Imagine a Paul-Barr Independent ticket with millions and millions of dollars worth of hard-hitting paid infommericals...

WE WOULD WIN. I SWEAR WE WOULD WIN!!!

I can't. I imagined he'd do that while running as a Republican. I sincerely hope this is some kind of a prank.:(

ItsTime
03-06-2008, 07:55 PM
hahahahahaha I am going to use that from now on! I peden myself..


Just to lighten the mood. When I saw this thread I almost Peden my pants!

Mordan
03-06-2008, 07:55 PM
abc is outright lying... can we sue? can we accept a society where media can lie without liabilities?

Rangeley
03-06-2008, 07:55 PM
I just watched the video here: http://www.deletedyoutube.ftvteen.com/?v=nuxFfuqvqiM

I'm going to go cry and try to deal with this. I had a lot invested financially and even emotionally. This is painful.
If you watched it you would know he hasnt dropped out.

jmdrake
03-06-2008, 07:55 PM
If he drops out, I won't forgive him, and he won't be a hero of mine anymore. How can you preach such strong words and hand over a possible seat of power to someone like McCain. It baffles my mind.

If he does drop out it won't be to just "hand power to McCain". You're ignoring the fact that there are other ways to win and at this point a all but failed presidential bid might be getting in the way. Other ways to fight include endorsing a third party candidate and concentrating on getting other Ron Paul like people elected to congress. The first was impossible without dropping out. The second was difficult. People haven't been donated because they didn't know who to donate TO! (I know I haven't.) Do I donate to Paul because there's some "miracle strategy" I haven't heard about yet, or do I donate to one or more of the congressional candidates? If Dr. Paul helps other get elected to office then this campaign has been a success.

nate895
03-06-2008, 07:55 PM
Weird, I'm going on my 8th grade trip later this month.

Actually, I just remembered they changed it so we could have more time. But it was usually in late April or early May.

I am not sure about other states, but Washington has always done theirs week after school closed down.

Zera
03-06-2008, 07:56 PM
I am not sure about other states, but Washington has always done theirs week after school closed down.

Thats pretty odd. I live in Georgia, by the way.

Wish it was after school closed though, I would have loved to see the march.

Highland
03-06-2008, 07:56 PM
We'll see ya in June!

jmdrake
03-06-2008, 07:57 PM
This is what I don't get. The video was originally posted at Ronpaul2008.com and then pulled. Is he having second thoughts about pulling out? Just wants to announce it officially later? Is he editing it and putting up a slightly different version? :confused:

seawolf
03-06-2008, 07:57 PM
THAT IS THE CLEAR MESSAGE FROM THE VIDEO..

Ron Paul said we are entering a new phase, that is not a Presidential Campaign.

It is now our time!!!

June 21st is the day for a Nationwide Rally!!!

All funds from the Ron Paul Grassroots need to now go to Ron Paul Liberty Candidates.

We need to have their websites and a central point of discussion.

Do we need to change the name of RonPaulForums??

The next phase has begun....

IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP!!!!

Rangeley
03-06-2008, 07:58 PM
This is what I don't get. The video was originally posted at Ronpaul2008.com and then pulled. Is he having second thoughts about pulling out? Just wants to announce it officially later? Is he editing it and putting up a slightly different version? :confused:
He didnt drop out in the original version, so honestly, its hard to say.

sophomore
03-06-2008, 07:58 PM
Man if this is true, I just donated another $200 last night. Oh well, I thank Bush for pissing me off enough to become politically active, and I thank Ron for everything he has done.

nate895
03-06-2008, 07:58 PM
THAT IS THE CLEAR MESSAGE FROM THE VIDEO..

Ron Paul said we are entering a new phase, that is not a Presidential Campaign.

It is now our time!!!

June 21st is the day for a Nationwide Rally!!!

All funds from the Ron Paul Grassroots need to now go to Ron Paul Liberty Candidates.

We need to have their websites and a central point of discussion.

Do we need to change the name of RonPaulForums??

The next phase has begun....

IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP!!!!

Um, no, he said he is still fighting for every delegate.

Mordan
03-06-2008, 07:58 PM
The Oregonian reported on the front page that Ron Paul and Huckabee dropped out yesterday.
Keep spreading the word of Freedom people. Because ultimately, it comes to we, the people.

you should be able to sue them. I mean. This is unacceptable

ForLiberty-RonPaul
03-06-2008, 07:58 PM
Ron Paul is not dropping out. Said nothing of the sorts in the video. If we raise him 100 million dollars I'm sure he'd run independent.

bulloncoins
03-06-2008, 07:59 PM
"He did not fare so well in the Republican Primary in Texas, getting less than 5 percent of the vote and no delegates."

Wtf is this?

They are counting future votes that haven't even taken place yet. People are so stupid to believe this. They have two conventions more to hold before the delegates to national are even elected in Texas. And believe me when I say, we pushed through a lot of precinct delegates to the next level (senatorial distric convention).....

The fight is just getting started. This whole he quit thing is just wishful dreaming on their part. They know there is a fight brewing, and they are scared.

I'm loving it. this is a good sign!

JS4Pat
03-06-2008, 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by amy31416
I just watched the video here: http://www.deletedyoutube.ftvteen.com/?v=nuxFfuqvqiM

I'm going to go cry and try to deal with this. I had a lot invested financially and even emotionally. This is painful.


If you watched it you would know he hasnt dropped out.

Another example of how poorly the communication is in this campaign. We watch the same freakin campaign video and half of us think he is hanging it up and half think he staying the course. :rolleyes:

rockandrollsouls
03-06-2008, 07:59 PM
How is it NOT handing power to McCain or Hillary? You're one of three remaining major candidates and rather than fight it out to the death you take it easy? You don't do anything in your power to stop corruption like that from ruling our country?

YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME. It's almost INSULTING. Again, it's about the message and not the man, but Ron is in the best position out of all of us to fight the power!

Even if he doesn't drop out (which I can't tell from that confusing video), why is the campain so lax? The time to fight like hell is NOW! You're 2 people away from setting the country straight for the good lord's sake!!!!!

nate895
03-06-2008, 08:00 PM
Ron Paul is not dropping out. Said nothing of the sorts in the video. If we raise him 100 million dollars I'm sure he'd run independent.

What else is he going to do with the money? Waste it on a Congressional Campaign (since he can't give it to other candidates) that he is virtually unopposed for.

ItsTime
03-06-2008, 08:01 PM
in no f-ing way is he dropping out... never said it... said he is working on...

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 08:01 PM
THAT IS THE CLEAR MESSAGE FROM THE VIDEO..

Ron Paul said we are entering a new phase, that is not a Presidential Campaign.

It is now our time!!!

June 21st is the day for a Nationwide Rally!!!

All funds from the Ron Paul Grassroots need to now go to Ron Paul Liberty Candidates.

We need to have their websites and a central point of discussion.

Do we need to change the name of RonPaulForums??

The next phase has begun....

IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP!!!!

Try http://www.libertyforest.com
or http://www.paulhive.com

aravoth
03-06-2008, 08:01 PM
Drop this shit, He said nothing about dropping out. ABC lied. And the rest of you goofballs in here bitching and moaning telling us the sky is falling obviously haven't been here for long, otherwise you'd know that the MSM has done a lot of bullshit, not unlike this, to us before.

Phantom
03-06-2008, 08:01 PM
These are not the words of a man who is quitting.

"The presidential campaign will soon wind down, but we do still encourage ALL effort to gain the maximum number of votes and delegates in ALL the remaining primaries and to continue the caucus process thatís on going in the other states by loyal volunteers. I will continue to make every effort to visit any state where the enthusiasm for Liberty exists. The campaign for freedom will continue in this new phase. For this we will need the financial resources to continue.:

Remember, it is Ron Paul for the long haul. All the way to the naional convention.

JS4Pat
03-06-2008, 08:02 PM
We are a STRONG movement without a LEADER. :mad:

nate895
03-06-2008, 08:02 PM
How is it NOT handing power to McCain or Hillary? You're one of three remaining major candidates and rather than fight it out to the death you take it easy? You don't do anything in your power to stop corruption like that from ruling our country?

YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME. It's almost INSULTING. Again, it's about the message and not the man, but Ron is in the best position out of all of us to fight the power!

Even if he doesn't drop out (which I can't tell from that confusing video), why is the campain so lax? The time to fight like hell is NOW! You're 2 people away from setting the country straight for the good lord's sake!!!!!

I know I will fight until I am the last man standing if necessary.

qh4dotcom
03-06-2008, 08:02 PM
You can still donate at ronpaul2008.com

This is proof he is not dropping out today.

RP is too honest to accept donations after he drops out. He'd take down that donations page if he even was considering dropping out.

Highland
03-06-2008, 08:02 PM
He Did Not Quit....where Did Abc And Others Get That???? We Do Not Need To Cause Paulers Any Unnecessary Heart Attacks! We Have Enough Problems!

Penners
03-06-2008, 08:03 PM
Another example of how poorly the communication is in this campaign. We watch the same freakin campaign video and half of us think he is hanging it up and half think he staying the course. :rolleyes:

agreed!

bulloncoins
03-06-2008, 08:03 PM
Mods please move this thread to bad press or hot topics where it may wither and die.

SteveMartin
03-06-2008, 08:03 PM
Maybe he is finally going to clean house in Arlington, and start over with a competent staff and a good running mate!

Highland
03-06-2008, 08:03 PM
We are a STRONG movement without a LEADER. :mad:

WHAT DO YOU MEAN....RON PAUL IS OUR LEADER...AND SO IS GOD!:D

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 08:04 PM
Drop this shit, He said nothing about dropping out. ABC lied. And the rest of you goofballs in here bitching and moaning telling us the sky is falling obviously haven't been here for long, otherwise you'd know that the MSM has done a lot of bullshit, not unlike this, to us before.

QFT. read this before posting your agony.

rockandrollsouls
03-06-2008, 08:04 PM
The campaign needs more FIRE then...not these confusing videos. That one felt so scripted and artificial it hurt, and you know it.

Everyone, we are TWO people from a huge thing here. This movement will continue for ages, but we have a great opportunity here and now. More energy, more fire, more hard work!

Highland
03-06-2008, 08:04 PM
You can still donate at ronpaul2008.com

This is proof he is not dropping out today.

RP is too honest to accept donations after he drops out. He'd take down that donations page if he even was considering dropping out.

LOL...VERY GOOD POINT!;);)

Highland
03-06-2008, 08:05 PM
Mods please move this thread to bad press or hot topics where it may wither and die.

LOL :D

TruthAtLast
03-06-2008, 08:05 PM
Ron Paul is not dropping out. Said nothing of the sorts in the video. If we raise him 100 million dollars I'm sure he'd run independent.

and if he doesn't run (as he has said over and over and over again) where does the 100 million go? Hard to get people to donate that kind of money on a maybe. Plus a lot of fence supporters who donated months ago aren't so enthusiastic now that they've seen what his polling numbers are. yes they are beauty constests and yes the media often distorts everything and NEVER informs the public how the delegate process actually works, but still... MOST people who have donated to him (not the diehards) do in fact follow those beauty contests so they may not be thinking he would have any chance as an independent, especially if the man himself has said he DOESN'T want to run as an independent.

rational thinker
03-06-2008, 08:06 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=126829

robert4rp08
03-06-2008, 08:06 PM
He better not drop out....

Ball
03-06-2008, 08:06 PM
I just got word from semi-official sources that this is 100% BS

Like I said: zzzz

You people are trolled (by ABC) so easily :)

JS4Pat
03-06-2008, 08:07 PM
WHAT DO YOU MEAN....RON PAUL IS OUR LEADER...AND SO IS GOD!:D

Can't argue with the God reference - but it sure doesn't feel as though Ron Paul wants to lead us. We are READY TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES - Do you honestly get the feeling he wants to be leading that charge?

robert4rp08
03-06-2008, 08:07 PM
By the way, they just shipped 20 tons of campaign materials to PA. I'm pretty sure that's a clear sign he has no intention on dropping out.

nate895
03-06-2008, 08:07 PM
Can't argue with the God reference - but it sure doesn't feel as though Ron Paul wants to lead us. We are READY TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES - Do you honestly get the feeling he wants to be leading that charge?

I think everyone in the Liberty Movement should want to.

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 08:07 PM
and if he doesn't run (as he has said over and over and over again) where does the 100 million go? Hard to get people to donate that kind of money on a maybe. Plus a lot of fence supporters who donated months ago aren't so enthusiastic now that they've seen what his polling numbers are. yes they are beauty constests and yes the media often distorts everything and NEVER informs the public how the delegate process actually works, but still... MOST people who have donated to him (not the diehards) do in fact follow those beauty contests so they may not be thinking he would have any chance as an independent, especially if the man himself has said he DOESN'T want to run as an independent.

you can donate your money to another campaign once you've terminated your presidential principled candidates committee.
his money will go to his liberty pac which will then go to help others get into congress.

dawnbt
03-06-2008, 08:08 PM
These are not the words of a man who is quitting.

"The presidential campaign will soon wind down, but we do still encourage ALL effort to gain the maximum number of votes and delegates in ALL the remaining primaries and to continue the caucus process thatís on going in the other states by loyal volunteers. I will continue to make every effort to visit any state where the enthusiasm for Liberty exists. The campaign for freedom will continue in this new phase. For this we will need the financial resources to continue.:

Remember, it is Ron Paul for the long haul. All the way to the naional convention.

+1000

From what I hear, he is not dropping out if he wants us to continue to gain delegates and stating that the presidential campaign can't legally organize the march.

smartguy911
03-06-2008, 08:08 PM
yup this needs to be in Hot Topics...where the hell are mod???? Dr. Paul didn't mention anything about dropping out...ABC is putting out false info..

ForLiberty-RonPaul
03-06-2008, 08:08 PM
and if he doesn't run (as he has said over and over and over again) where does the 100 million go? Hard to get people to donate that kind of money on a maybe. Plus a lot of fence supporters who donated months ago aren't so enthusiastic now that they've seen what his polling numbers are. yes they are beauty constests and yes the media often distorts everything and NEVER informs the public how the delegate process actually works, but still... MOST people who have donated to him (not the diehards) do in fact follow those beauty contests so they may not be thinking he would have any chance as an independent, especially if the man himself has said he DOESN'T want to run as an independent.

He doesn't want to run indy because it is too hard to get press etc. Basically you have to have a crap load of money. Hence the suggestion. Why are your posts always negative?

jblosser
03-06-2008, 08:08 PM
I just got word from semi-official sources that this is 100% BS

Like I said: zzzz

You people are trolled (by ABC) so easily :)

He means me, and I heard it from Carol, who I would expect to know.

sluggo
03-06-2008, 08:09 PM
I want to know more about the Liberty PAc and the Free Foundation. (?)

Any links?

Feelgood
03-06-2008, 08:10 PM
Ok, I just watched it, and did not see where he said he is dropping out. Did I miss something???

TruthAtLast
03-06-2008, 08:10 PM
you can donate your money to another campaign once you've terminated your presidential principled candidates committee.
his money will go to his liberty pac which will then go to help others get into congress.

if that is true, (which I'm not against because it may help you Brent) wouldn't this kind of trick people into donating? :D

Let's say he said he was going to run as a third party and raised millions, then pulled out and dumped it all into other Congressional candidates.... would that piss off a lot of people?

Sandra
03-06-2008, 08:11 PM
Read! ABC News was at it here too.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article3039.html

rockandrollsouls
03-06-2008, 08:11 PM
People, listen. This may have been a false alarm, but it's also a wake up call. Where is the campaign's fire? It's not like it was months ago. We need to exploit weaknesses of other candidates. We can do it.

The media and corrupt government make us the victim...We are educated and motivated...we can topple it. Someone, please set some serious steps in motion.

nate895
03-06-2008, 08:11 PM
if that is true, (which I'm not against because it may help you Brent) wouldn't this kind of trick people into donating? :D

Let's say he said he was going to run as a third party and raised millions, then pulled out and dumped it all into other Congressional candidates.... would have piss off a lot of people?

Ron Paul wouldn't do that.

JoshLowry
03-06-2008, 08:11 PM
Do we need to change the name of RonPaulForums??

The next phase has begun....

IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP!!!!

http://i30.tinypic.com/2zsskup.gif (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=189)

;)

kevman657
03-06-2008, 08:15 PM
http://www.deletedyoutube.ftvteen.com/?v=nuxFfuqvqiM


For anyone who hasn't seen it.

fedup100
03-06-2008, 08:16 PM
i won't believe it until i hear the words come from Dr. Paul's lips.

You would think he would come out and refute that report. From what I have seen of his campaign in the last two months, he will say nothing and do nothing. Sorry folks, I have gone from shocked, to depressed to pissed off and now (*%^ bitter.

tangent4ronpaul
03-06-2008, 08:17 PM
You know what to do....

http://abcnewsradio.com/contact.html



NEW YORK NEWSROOM:
(212) 456-5100
newsradio@abc.com


Newsroom Fax Machine
212.456.5150


Cristi Landes
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Director, Programming
212.456.5327
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Executive Director, Operations
212.456.5554
jeffrey.t.fitzgerald@abc.com


Heidi Oringer
Executive Director, Entertainment
212.456.5541
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Jon Newman
News Coverage
212.456.5100
jonathan.m.newman


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Assignment Manager
212.456.5106
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Jim Kane
Deputy D.C. Bureau Chief
202.222. 6604
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Andrew Kalb
Executive Director, Programming
305.567.2269
andrew.l.kalb@abc.com


Robert Garcia
Executive Director, News & Sports
212.456.5103
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torchbearer
03-06-2008, 08:17 PM
if that is true, (which I'm not against because it may help you Brent) wouldn't this kind of trick people into donating? :D

Let's say he said he was going to run as a third party and raised millions, then pulled out and dumped it all into other Congressional candidates.... would that piss off a lot of people?

Yes it would, and it could get you investigate for fraud if someone thinks you purposefully misled them.

When a candidate terminates his committee... that money has to go somewhere... and the FEC lists somewhere on there many forms, where that money can go...
I know one is a non-profit/charity
Two, other candidates elections
Repay debts gained during the election cycle.
i believe there are others.

ForLiberty-RonPaul
03-06-2008, 08:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8kFU9TH_r4

working UTube video - reuploaded by user

Feelgood
03-06-2008, 08:22 PM
Wonder how long it takes a bullshit story like this to show up on Drudge... :rolleyes:

IPSecure
03-06-2008, 08:22 PM
Dr. Paul stated that he needs funding to continue the fight!

OferNave
03-06-2008, 08:22 PM
I want to know more about the Liberty PAc and the Free Foundation. (?)

Any links?

I googled them after watching the video:

Liberty PAC: http://www.libertypac.net/
Free Foundation: http://www.free-nefl.com/

Akus
03-06-2008, 08:24 PM
People, listen. This may have been a false alarm, but it's also a wake up call. Where is the campaign's fire? It's not like it was months ago. We need to exploit weaknesses of other candidates. We can do it. Trust me, it's beng done my friend. Have you come to any delegate meetings?

robert4rp08
03-06-2008, 08:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8kFU9TH_r4

working UTube video - reuploaded by user

How do they get he's calling it quits from that? He asks for more funds, continued canvassing efforts, and continued participation in becoming delegates.

Highland
03-06-2008, 08:24 PM
I googled them after watching the video:

Liberty PAC: http://www.libertypac.net/
Free Foundation: http://www.free-nefl.com/

Sounds like RP's the Man with the Plan!

You know...this fight is different than any other and RP is trailblazing the FREEDOM MOVEMENT! WE HAVE TO MOVE THOUGH! LOL:D

OferNave
03-06-2008, 08:26 PM
He said that while he's going to continue to work the process and get every vote and delegate, he basically thinks it's pretty much decided, and I think that explains why he seemed so much more open and liberated in this video.

That wasn't a drop out video, but even if it was, it would have been the most beautiful drop out message ever. I'm almost excited now for when the campaign is finally over, regardless of how it turns out, because then Ron Paul will be able to speak much more freely (you have to be so guarded when campaigning).

He's been my presidential candidate for months now, but I feel like now he's going to transition to being my long term online friend.

robert4rp08
03-06-2008, 08:26 PM
HAHAHA, I love how he says they can't assume legal responsibilities for the March on DC, but then says I'll try to attend, and would suggest June 21st *wink*

nate895
03-06-2008, 08:27 PM
He said that while he's going to continue to work the process and get every vote and delegate, he basically thinks it's pretty much decided, and I think that explains why he seemed so much more open and liberated in this video.

That wasn't a drop out video, but even if it was, it would have been the most beautiful drop out message ever. I'm almost excited now for when the campaign is finally over, regardless of how it turns out, because then Ron Paul will be able to speak much more freely (you have to be so guarded when campaigning).

He's been my presidential candidate for months now, but I feel like now he's going to transition to being my long term online friend.

It is true that at this point that we would probably come up with the same result with or without Ron Paul if we had the same level of commitment to become delegates.

Thomas Paine
03-06-2008, 08:30 PM
Motivational speech from a recent Meetup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpSFExhRdBA&feature=related

Akus
03-06-2008, 08:34 PM
How do they get he's calling it quits from that?
1:44 could be interpreted as him saying adios

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 08:42 PM
1:44 could be interpreted as him saying adios

if all you saw was those 5 seconds, i'd agree with you.. but since a reporter should be watching more than just a 5 second clip within a video... you would see he isn't dropping out.

smartguy911
03-06-2008, 08:44 PM
please bury this - http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_Drops_Out_Of_2008_Presidential_Race

Meatwasp
03-06-2008, 08:46 PM
What else is he going to do with the money? Waste it on a Congressional Campaign (since he can't give it to other candidates) that he is virtually unopposed for.

Don't worry about it as he will do the right thing. Even if he did drop out look at the fantistic legacy he is leaving if we keep it going

heartless
03-06-2008, 08:58 PM
In ron paul's most recent vid on youtube he said he was gonna fight for as many delegates at the convention as possible so he's definitely not dropping out.

tropicangela
03-06-2008, 09:08 PM
Kiss my a$$ ABC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_vVaZxTno

Airborn
03-06-2008, 09:14 PM
this needs to be moved.

Ron said nothing about dropping out. It was about moving on with the big picture while still getting votes and delegates in the remaining states.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_vVaZxTno

smartguy911
03-06-2008, 09:16 PM
now the main site saying "Ron Paul Suspending Presidential Campaign" - http://abcnews.go.com/

ABC news is really pissing me off. they are still keeping that on the main page

tropicangela
03-06-2008, 09:20 PM
Call ABC News (212) 456-7777
Posted March 7th, 2008 by mdonato

And let them know your displeasure about them spreading lies about the Ron Paul campaign. Ask them to transfer you to ABCnews.com

JoshLowry
03-06-2008, 09:50 PM
I called 212-456-2700 and they told me they stand by the story.

tropicangela
03-06-2008, 09:54 PM
We talked with Carol Paul an hour ago and this propaganda piece is simply more media lies. Ron Paul has NOT dropped from the race.

Posted by: Freedom | Mar 6, 2008 10:50:07 PM

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 09:57 PM
I called 212-456-2700 and they told me they stand by the story.

they just changed the headline after they said they stick by the story... do they really know what's going on????

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v217/30/89/666581889/n666581889_672330_3504.jpg

http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v217/30/89/666581889/n666581889_672332_9718.jpg

Agora
03-06-2008, 10:05 PM
UPDATED;http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8117/rpabcoh6.jpg

Jamsie 567
03-06-2008, 10:06 PM
it's a lie he never said he was dropping out

smartguy911
03-06-2008, 10:06 PM
well the video is finally up - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_vVaZxTno

comment it, favorite it, add to playlist .

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 10:07 PM
UPDATED;http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8117/rpabcoh6.jpg

They must be consulting their legal team right now to see what they can get away with..

nodope0695
03-06-2008, 10:28 PM
I'm tossing a bullshit flag on this one. For one thing, the link to the video, while it directs you to "undeletube", no video ever loaded for me...all it said was that it was buffering.

http://duncanmitty.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/bullshit.gif

torchbearer
03-06-2008, 10:30 PM
I'm tossing a bullshit flag on this one. For one thing, the link to the video, while it directs you to "undeletube", no video ever loaded for me...all it said was that it was buffering.

http://duncanmitty.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/bullshit.gif

the official video from the campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_vVaZxTno
now up.

tropicangela
03-06-2008, 10:37 PM
We need confirmation... how are we supposed to sleep?

american.swan
03-06-2008, 10:44 PM
Now It Has Been Removed By The User! Lol

COME ON PEOPLE READ THE ARTICLE ON THE FIRST PAGE!!!

IT GIVES A LINK....SEE IT....
[might need glasses]

WATCH THE VIDEO

http://tubemall.net/undeletube.php?v=nuxFfuqvqiM

It is back on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_vVaZxTno

tropicangela
03-06-2008, 10:56 PM
UndeleTube LOL my RPF friends are so smart.

jmdrake
03-07-2008, 08:53 AM
Good work fighting this crap guys! I just looked at the article again and while the headline still sucks they've TOTALLY changed the content. Gone is the snot nosed crap about Ron Paul being like a "liberal democrat" or a "member of the ACLU" because he believes in the constitution. They also correctly noted that Ron Paul did not use the words "dropping out". However they're being a little sneaky with the term "winding down". Ron Paul didn't simply say his campaign was winding down but that the entire presidential campaign is winding down! That's obvious. Most of the primaries are over.

So kudos for everyone who called, emailed and left angry comments on the board. This proves once and for all that the media can't be trusted, but they can moved by the hoards moved by righteous indignation!

Regards,

John M. Drake

wv@SC
03-07-2008, 08:56 AM
BURY EVERY STITCH OF THIS GARBAGE (http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_Drops_Out_Of_2008_Presidential_Race) on Digg!

Keep this bumped!

sheepledog
03-07-2008, 09:08 AM
Stupid! Now MSNBC is scrolling at the bottom of the screen 'Ron Paul is ending his campaign for presidency'.

torchbearer
03-07-2008, 09:31 AM
Ron Paul needs to hold a press confrence now stating the media got it wrong.

rockandrollsouls
03-07-2008, 09:59 AM
Can legal action be taken against these blatant lies? We have to do more than just ask the media to get the facts straight...We have to ram it down their throats with as much force as possible. It's straight up wrong to lie like this and be as unfair as they have been.

sheepledog
03-07-2008, 10:11 AM
It would help if the campaign would at least put a statement on the website. After all, that's where a lot of people will check after hearing he dropped out. Just a short little statement to end the confusion--not to hard to do, huh? Or do we just have to sit by and watch this whole thing spin out of control for several days?????

rockandrollsouls
03-07-2008, 10:12 AM
knowing the campaign, probably the latter

luke-gr
03-07-2008, 12:31 PM
My mother just called me and asked, "Luke, have you heard the bad news?.......Ron Paul has dropped out of the race". She just saw it on CNN she said.

luke-gr
03-07-2008, 12:33 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/07/ron.paul/index.html?iref=newssearch

A spokesman for Ron Paul's presidential campaign said Friday that the Texas congressman is ending his run for the White House.
art.paul.gi.jpg

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988.

"We are acknowledging that Ron will not be the nominee and that we are winding down the campaign," said Jesse Benton, the Paul campaign's communication manager.

Paul hinted the end was near in a video to supporters posted on YouTube on Thursday.

"Though victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race, many victories have been achieved due to your hard work and enthusiasm," Paul said in the video.

His comments came two days after Sen. John McCain became the presumptive GOP nominee.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, announced Tuesday he was quitting the race after McCain victories in Tuesday's primaries, leaving Paul as his only opponent.

Benton said the campaign encourages supporters to continue to take part in primary process and that Paul would honor requests from supporters to speak.

"We still think we can influence the debate and build an organization moving forward that brings the GOP back to its roots," Benton said.

Paul, who ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988, is the sole Republican candidate to call for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. He is a distant fourth in the GOP delegate count, behind McCain, Huckabee and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts," Paul said. "Revolutions are long-term projects."

Paul's "Hope for America" campaign has been a grassroots effort, focusing on a "limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies," according to his Web site.

"But even with the past year's achievements, we're still the early stages of bringing about the changes that this revolution is all about."

wv@SC
03-07-2008, 01:25 PM
The link doesn't work

PaulTriumph
03-07-2008, 01:29 PM
knowing the campaign, probably the latter

Unfortunately, this is probably the case. After the "Whoa!" message, there was mass confusion, and really, a lot of supporters thought RP was quitting and left this forum. A simple clarification from the campaign, re-stating the message would have settled a lot of doubts, but it really never came.

I understand that RP had to sew up his Congressional seat, but was surprised at the lack of major campaign appearances over the last month (except for the Austin rally).

Based on all that, I think it's fair to put the new video in the context that we've already seen. NO, Ron Paul is not officially "quitting", and I would be very surprised to see any official concession- or endorsement- on RP's behalf. The campaign website will still be up, and the campaign will continue to solicit donations to fuel wherever the revolution is going.

BUT, I would also be surprised to see many future appearances or activity from the campaign. RP has a job in Congress, and I don't think he'll be on the campaign trail much after this.

And sad to say, I don't think we'll get any clarification soon on the video- we'll just have to piece together the direction as events happen. RP will not be using campaign funds for the March on Washington. In the recent video, he made it sound like something he just said offhand and doesn't really want anything to do with. He really sounded surprised at all the attention and money the campaign generated, and now that it's clear that he won't win the nomination or the Presidency, he wants to move on with life and get back to work.

And so we, as supporters, need to get back to work. What are the next steps for this movement?

IllMortalD
03-07-2008, 01:40 PM
Treat this like a call to arms. I don't think that this movement is predestined to fall apart. Anyone who says that's the only possible outcome is wrong. Anything is possible, you can't prove somethings not going to happen. This is an opportunity to bring more people into the movement. All the talk about people voting against a candidate other than voting for is an opportunity to explain how corrupt the party system is right now on both sides. I don't have the answers but there is infinite possibility here for us to thrive or starve it's up to each and every one of us to continue on bringing others along when they're ready. (sorry for being so general)

IllMortalD
03-07-2008, 01:43 PM
I just thought of something. If people are so strongly against voting for Obama or McCain or Clinton respectively then couldn't that lead to convincing some to vote Ron Paul as a protest vote rather than someone on the other side because they hate the candidate their party chose so much. Probably not a very effective idea but why not.

PaulTriumph
03-07-2008, 01:54 PM
I just thought of something. If people are so strongly against voting for Obama or McCain or Clinton respectively then couldn't that lead to convincing some to vote Ron Paul as a protest vote rather than someone on the other side because they hate the candidate their party chose so much. Probably not a very effective idea but why not.

I think this could actually be *very* effective. Unlike the Romney, Huck, etc. campaigns, who were willing to throw their support behind McCain and the GOP establishment, RP has demonstrated theat he WILL NOT bow to those interests no matter what happens.

It is up to us to see that RP is on the ballot in November- I think this is our highest calling over the next few months. Whatever the outcome, OUR votes will not be taken away from us by some "lesser evil"!

PatriotG
03-07-2008, 05:43 PM
I'm on my blackberry reading this thread and i haven't been able to watch this video

First of all im surprised that alot of you guys would even consider listening to MSM after all the crap they have dished out in the last few months they literally buried this man in the debates an primaries

I see emotions are on overdrive in this thread and I don't blame any of you on e bit.

I want RP in office so badly I pray for it and im not a religious person

Now what im about to say is my opinions and you guy and ladies can call me kook or whatever

In January I came truly believe what I have suspected since the 2000 election that the election process is rigged
End of story

Clinton's win has been pre ordained by the powers that be.

RP is a saint. I believe he truly has the country's best interest at heart, and this doesn't fit the mold of the agenda

With the coming economic upheaval, and I strongly believe its coming, people are going to wake up eventually, when its too late and they will be begging for a man like RP

If he runs independent I will stand behind him
And unfortunately, I still believe he wont win
Why? because he is not a member of the club

If he doesn't run independent, im still carrying on with the ideals he believes in. I and my colleagues will do what ever we can, and have to
There is no way i can ever go back to being asleep

I just cant see anyway at this point he can win as republican. They dont want him

I really feel for our children more than anyone because they are probably going to feel the brunt of of the mess we are in.

I have met alot of great people in this forum and i hope we can continue to talk plan etc. We really did accomplish alot and this movement I believe will continue. Perhaps the next election will be ours, who knows.


I wish all of you, us, the best

IllMortalD
03-07-2008, 08:21 PM
unfortunately I think you're right. The elections seemed to be rigged starting especially since NH but even Iowa could have had problems since we already know the straw poll there was rigged. We believe that 2000 was stolen right? Then we should be at least open to the idea of the election system being rigged this time. Think of what the "club" has to lose. If the people running the elections could screw Ron Paul then why wouldn't they especially considering LA.

Bro.Butch
03-08-2008, 02:44 AM
unfortunately I think you're right. The elections seemed to be rigged starting especially since NH but even Iowa could have had problems since we already know the straw poll there was rigged. We believe that 2000 was stolen right? Then we should be at least open to the idea of the election system being rigged this time. Think of what the "club" has to lose. If the people running the elections could screw Ron Paul then why wouldn't they especially considering LA.

this guy traveled over 1000 miles to testify...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gocC_456PzI&feature=user
Election Hacking-Clinton Curtis Testimony-Ohio 2004

Dennis Kucinich and a Rep. candidate pald for a recount...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJfj9ySYg0Q[/url]
NH Voter/Election Fraud? Secure Ballots? Clean Elections? P1



http://youtube.com/watch?v=MqJCm38MEuU
New Hampshire Chain of Custody Sham: "Who's responsible?" P2

paper ballots PLEASE...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDIBNX70EkA&NR=1
The ONLY Way Ron Paul Can WIN IS....





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOlL8qjSsUE&NR=1
***Ron Paul Can Only Win With Your Help***

Bro.Butch
03-08-2008, 02:57 AM
I think this could actually be *very* effective. Unlike the Romney, Huck, etc. campaigns, who were willing to throw their support behind McCain and the GOP establishment, RP has demonstrated theat he WILL NOT bow to those interests no matter what happens.

It is up to us to see that RP is on the ballot in November- I think this is our highest calling over the next few months. Whatever the outcome, OUR votes will not be taken away from us by some "lesser evil"!

FINALLY. the right idea. who in hades who has agreed with Ron would ever vote McCain, Obama or Clinton? A third party draft is the absolutely easiest way to get him on the ballot nov.4...

PatriotG
03-08-2008, 06:42 AM
FINALLY. the right idea. who in hades who has agreed with Ron would ever vote McCain, Obama or Clinton? A third party draft is the absolutely easiest way to get him on the ballot nov.4...

Im there with you, there is no way I wil vote for anyone else
I will continue to try to convert people over. I hope Im wrong and your right bud.

IllMortalD
03-08-2008, 12:02 PM
It is hard for me to believe that Ron Paul wouldn't run third party if enough support was shown. The key now is to reveal the weaknesses flaws in both parties and their respective candidates. We already know that people agree with the ideas and the message, we just need to convince them of the importance to challenging the two party monopoly on our political system. I believe that people are sick of voting for the lesser of two evils if they only knew Obama isn't true change. If Obama gets screwed out of the nomination by Clinton they are prime for recruitment to this movement.