8/16 Conference Call

[MozoVote]

Well it's taken over an hour to get past talking about the Iowa straw poll and Diebold controversey... maybe we'll get to some other topics now.

605-475-8500 PIN 5092984 then *2 to mute

[0zzy]

wait starting now?

[UtahApocalypse]

I hung up this week, got tired of that.

[MozoVote]

There are enough people on RonPaulForums, that worked the straw poll, who have stated based on crowd witnessed size, that the poll results make sense. I give them the edge in credibility, unless a smoking gun is found.

[LibertyEagle]

http://www.jbs.org/node/5162

[LibertyEagle]

Hey guys... this is good now. A guy talking about what happened in Illinois.

[MozoVote]

Ha ha! I feel like echoes of Jim Cramer are in the background. "I am so upset about this you have NO IDEA! NO IDEA!"

They need better moderating software for these things. Good grief. Use a web enabled conference and click on one or two names at a time to speak. It's almost like daytime talk TV or something.

I may drop off in a little while if this does not improve.

[Spirit of '76]

They're still shouting about diebold.

[Dustancostine]

Yea and now they are attacking Kent Snyder. This has moved from a conference call about Ron Paul to a conference call about voting machines. The machines are crap but I will probably never participate in this call again. They have no desire to help the campaign. (Other than to get rid of the machines, but I see that as a higher order priority.)

[njjack]

This is really sad, it's turned into a vote in sunshine conference call instead of a Ron Paul conference call. It's going on 2 hours and the entire discussion has been about vote fraud. And I've heard attacks on the members of the official campaign :(

[Spirit of '76]

Is this even supposed to be a Ron Paul conference call? They're even saying that they're not on there to talk about Ron Paul.

[aravoth]

i'm listening to this, do they normally bitch about shit you can't change?

[MozoVote]

I think it has gotten worse every week.

[aravoth]

they need to shut the hell up about this shit, get on with the grassroots, otherwise this crap is useless.

[LibertyEagle]

It was good for a few minutes when a guy was on talking about the Illinois Straw Poll.

[Spirit of '76]

I don't think this is a Ron Paul conference call. Seriously.

They keep saying this is a Vote in Sunshine call.

[aravoth]

rofl, jesus, i'm getting agitated

[MozoVote]

Enough. I've hung up. Don't need to wear out my cell battery listening to people yell over each other.

[aravoth]

BWAHAHAHAHA! They are baby boomers, they've gotta be. Only baby boomers bitch this much.

[Spirit of '76]

This "Bonnie" woman is annoying as hell.

[LibertyEagle]

Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LibertyEagle]

This "Bonnie" woman is annoying as hell.

No frickin' kidding. What doesn't she understand about keeping it separate from the Ron Paul campaign!!! :mad:

[Dustancostine]

It was good for a few minutes when a guy was on talking about the Illinois Straw Poll.

I'm not sure if you were on before he got to talk. But they almost skipped over him because they said they had to get the call moving forward. Only after Deedee got everyone to shut up was he allowed to speak and tell his great story. There are people that are hijacking this campaign for their own personal reasons.:mad:

--Dustan

[aravoth]

I'm not sure if you were on before he got to talk. But they almost skipped over him because they said they had to get the call moving forward. Only after Deedee got everyone to shut up was he allowed to speak and tell his great story. There are people that are hijacking this campaign for their own personal reasons.:mad:

--Dustan

Yep, that bonnie lady has a huge mouth.

[aravoth]

They need to do this shit on Vent or TS

[MozoVote]

Maybe we should organize our own conference call on TalkShoe or something. If the vote fraud people wanted to update us for 10 minutes that's one thing, but they completely dominate these calls.

[Dustancostine]

If they try this crap in Texas they are going to piss a lot of people off.

[Dustancostine]

Maybe we should organize our own conference call on TalkShoe or something. If the vote fraud people wanted to update us for 10 minutes that's one thing, but they completely dominate these calls.

They are the ones who run this call.

[aravoth]

Yeah, should start an RP Vent server.

[LibertyEagle]

I hate the Diebold machines too, but waiting until 2 days before a vote IS STUPID. And to go on radio shows and associate the activity with Ron Paul is also.

[aravoth]

I hate the Diebold machines too, but waiting until 2 days before a vote IS STUPID. And to go on radio shows and associate the activity with Ron Paul is also.

totally agree

[Dustancostine]

I think they picked Paul because they needed someone to say got cheated to claim fraud. If they can't claim anyone got cheated then there is no fraud.

[MozoVote]

Do we need any hardware support to set up a RonPaulForums conference? Or is it as simple as signing up on a website and subscribing? I cringe at the thought of how many newbies end up in those calls and think it's the RP grassroots.

[orenbus]

I think all the moderators know each other from previous organizations
and decided to do a vote fraud thing with the Ron Paul name conference call to it. Atleast thats what it seems like, it has gotten worse every week.

[aravoth]

Ventrilio, much easier than this call in crap. Lemme see...

[MozoVote]

I'll chip in $50 towards this effort, if somebody can set up a web enabled conference with proper moderation.

[Spirit of '76]

I can't believe I just listened to that crap for 45 minutes.


I think my IQ dropped 10 points.

[Dustancostine]

I can't believe I just listened to that crap for 45 minutes.


I think my IQ dropped 10 points.

Lol Me too.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[LibertyEagle]

I think that's about what it was for Iowa.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[MozoVote]

It's especially amateurish how you have to tell people to *2 when they come in. You hear people in the background eating, watching TV, washing dishes sometimes because they did not *2 themselves. The moderator needs the power to isolate those calls and mute them.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[jpa]

I refuse to ever get on one these calls again. Complete waste of time.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[Jennifer Reynolds]

aaaa

[LibertyEagle]

It ticks me off that they pose this call as a Ron Paul supporter conference call. It is nothing of the sort. It is a vote fraud conference call, that is doing its best to piggyback off of the Ron Paul campaign.

[LibertyEagle]

Don't these morons know about delegates?

Are you on the call, Jennifer?

[Spirit of '76]

The moderator needs the power to isolate those calls and mute them.


The moderator needs the power to isolate Bonnie and muzzle her.


Ok, so which election is next? and when?

Texas.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[Spirit of '76]

It ticks me off that they pose this call as a Ron Paul supporter conference call. It is nothing of the sort. It is a vote fraud conference call, that is doing its best to piggyback off of the Ron Paul campaign.

Yeah, I should have said something when I was still on the line.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[MozoVote]

Don't tempt me back in. Tsk Tsk. :)

[aravoth]

lmao this call is so rediculous.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[Spirit of '76]

Someone hopefully shutting everyone up right now. Call might get better now.

Don't count on it. :cool:

[aravoth]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[LibertyEagle]

They have no friggin' proof that there was ANY vote fraud whatsoever in the Iowa straw poll.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[aravoth]

O.o Not this chick again!

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[LibertyEagle]

Oh God, don't bring those idiots here to Texas!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will someone please remind these dumbbleeps that this poll is for TEXAS DELEGATES.

[aravoth]

:eek: lol way to crazy. You're a crazy man Lou!

[LibertyEagle]

Whiners.

Someone offering money and they won't let him speak.

That's 'ol Louie. All he knows how to do is scream.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[paulitics]

The problem is you need to pick and choose your battles. There is no proof here.

There will be another day when proof will present itself, but credibility will be depleted from the boy who cried wolf once too many.

[MozoVote]

Just looking at the FAQ on Talkshoe. Heck, it's free. http://www.talkshoe.com/se/help/FAQ.html#FAQC1A10

I don't have a land line, though. I bet that would help produce a strong signal for the host.

[Spirit of '76]

O.o Not this chick again!

Lemme guess:

Bonnie. :rolleyes:

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[orenbus]

they said the same thing last week, that this is a special occasion why vote fraud is being talked about. watch tune in next week and guess what the topic will be? vote fraud heh :rolleyes:

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[0zzy]

Did I miss anything important? Seems like the same shit, whine whine whine, from what I read.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[aravoth]

I would ask if anyone has any highdef footage so I can re-format my video's to dvd quality, but jesus, I think it'd be like jumping in the shark tank.

[orenbus]

someone needs to startup another conference call

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[MozoVote]

someone needs to startup another conference call


Well, the TalkShoe FAQ says you can host a call with Skype, Yahoo or Vonage, or a land line or cell phone. Does not cost anything yet, although it might in the future.

Land line is probably the most foolproof, followed by voice-over-internet. I live in a small valley, my cell is kinda spotty so I would not want to try it that way.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[Spirit of '76]

They have no friggin' proof that there was ANY vote fraud whatsoever in the Iowa straw poll.

Sure they do. Behold the proof of vote fraud!
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/5274/lolvotefraudta6.jpg

:rolleyes:

[jblosser]

What exactly did they say about TX? Are they bringing their circus here for sure? Please let me know so we can have a locked room prepared for them.

I gave up on these calls after the second and I was busy at a meeting actually planning for the TX straw poll tonight anyway.

[orenbus]

LOL what the hell is that picture?!? :D

[aravoth]

lawyers.....

[aravoth]

Some ask for me :D I hate talking on things like this.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[Spirit of '76]

LOL what the hell is that picture?!? :D

That is the "exit poll" conducted by Vote in Sunshine. :D

[aravoth]

*pokes jennifer*

PSST....ask if anyone has any high def footage for me.

[aravoth]

did someone just mention what I was talking about? I had another call I had to take.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[orenbus]

someone just asked they dont have any hi-def videos, i might have some stuff for you tho aravoth, ill pm you :)

[aravoth]

Get on there and say, "There this goofy dude on the ionternat that makes really reall stupid video's and wants to know if anyone has any high-def or dvd quality footage of the clips he's used, so he can make a DVD for the meet-up groups. He's tired of getting flooded with e-mails asking for it and not being able to deliver"

Or somethin like that.

ahhh, just saw the other posts./

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[aravoth]

muahahahahaha!!!!

[aravoth]

rofl go go go!

[Dustancostine]

Sure they do. Behold the proof of vote fraud!
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/5274/lolvotefraudta6.jpg

:rolleyes:

Yea we can take an exist poll that has Hillary and Kucinich getting votes.

[Spirit of '76]

rofl go go go!

What's all the excitement about?

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[aravoth]

hehehe yeah thanks, I didn't wanna go toe to toe with bonnie.

[mrchubbs]

Might I suggest using Paltalk for "meetings"?

Not only is it entirely online, but it's voice as well as video so people can see things that others are working on assuming they have a camera. The basics are free, but the Paltalk extreme subscription is about $60 per year (about 5 bucks per month).

It could work well for this I think. They already have a Politics category...


In fact...

I just created a room called "Ron Paul Grassroots" within the "Social Issues and Politics" --> "Government and Politics" category. The URL to the group is:

http://chat.paltalk.com/g2/group/1127127948/

You can also download the paltalk client from there. The free version just limits your video I think so just for chatting it is free. It's also nice because it can be set up to only let one person speak (have the microphone) at a time.

Any thoughts on using this?

To learn more about Paltalk check out:

http://www.paltalk.com/en/learnaboutpaltalk.shtml


Enjoy,
MrChubbs

[Dustancostine]

What exactly did they say about TX? Are they bringing their circus here for sure? Please let me know so we can have a locked room prepared for them.

I gave up on these calls after the second and I was busy at a meeting actually planning for the TX straw poll tonight anyway.

Yes they are trying to bring it to Texas. There is also a organization out of Austin "Texans for Fair Elections" or something like that. They are going to try and sue the GOP here.

RP needs to get away from these people. Or at least they need to distance themselves from RP if they truly want to get him elected. But I don't think this is the case unfortunately.

-Dustan

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[aravoth]

lol she spelled it wrong, I have the most mispelled name in history

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[orenbus]

lol she spelled it wrong, I have the most mispelled name in history

lol absolutely :D

[Spirit of '76]

RP needs to get away from these people. Or at least they need to distance themselves from RP if they truly want to get him elected. But I don't think this is the case unfortunately.


They don't care about Ron Paul. They'd be happiest if he were made into a 'martyr' for their cause.

[Dustancostine]

Exactly they are trying to "martyr" him. It is starting to piss me off to no end.

[constituent]

just ignore them... they think that this is the camp with the most sympathetic ear. so show no sympathy (even if you feel differently).

[Brandybuck]

It ticks me off that they pose this call as a Ron Paul supporter conference call. It is nothing of the sort. It is a vote fraud conference call, that is doing its best to piggyback off of the Ron Paul campaign.
This kind of crap is only going to get worse. The more popular the campaign becomes, the more people are going to use it to get a free ride for their own issues.

I don't participate in any conference call unless the person running it has "ronpaul2008.com in his email address!

[Dustancostine]

Does anyone know how to demember yourself from a meetup? I really want to get out of 560 after tonight.

[Brandybuck]

Does anyone know how to demember yourself from a meetup? I really want to get out of 560 after tonight.
It's easy. Click on the "account" link at top right in tiny text. Then click on "Membership and Communication". You should be able to take it from there.

[Dustancostine]

Thanks,

Dustan

[aravoth]

oui... Now they're argueing about the law, the shitty thing is, both of them are right. Sometimes you have to break it, sometimes you have to play by the rules, unfortunatly there is no middle ground on this stuff.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[aravoth]

I think there's a line on this cival disobedience stuff if you are the only one at stake, fine, but not with something this big. Spray painting shit is stupid, should be going door to door and handing out flyers or something. I guess however, I'm from the old school, small town, military, I'm pretty accustomed to follow the rules.

[Dustancostine]

I think there's a line on this cival disobedience stuff if you are the only one at stake, fine, but not with something this big. Spray painting shit is stupid, should be going door to door and handing out flyers or something. I guess however, I'm from the old school, small town, military, I'm pretty accustomed to follow the rules.

Exactly

[aravoth]

tell me your name!

[orenbus]

wow the last hour almost made up for the fights and stuff in the first three hours.

why can't we just have a conference call where meetup group members can talk.

no guest speakers or topics about vote fraud, just a call for ron paul supporters to talk and share ideas, good stuff. ron paul forums should start a conference call, josh? moderators?

[aravoth]

wow the last hour almost made up for the fights and stuff in the first three hours.

why can't we just have a conference call where meetup group members can talk.

no guest speakers or topics about vote fraud, just a call for ron paul supporters to talk and share ideas, good stuff. ron paul forums should start a conference call, josh? moderators?

yeah it's fun now

[aravoth]

My cell phone dropped the signal, tell everyone good night for me, it was good talking to everyone, gotta get back to the wife.

[Lord Xar]

I don't understand what the problem is, I really don't.

HANG UP THE PHONE IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.

IF I WAS ON THAT CALL.... AWWW SHIT!

I would have said, can we break these calls into segments so that those who want to be available for the votefraud can get on from this time to this time, and those who want to discuss campaign strategies, this time to this time.

Or better yet, APPOINT a MODERATOR.

I get on conference calls all the time for business. YOU Need a moderator.

DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED.

This will be resolved by "next" conference call, trust me.

You need to be on these calls and its important. Keep your heads up, and realize that "these conference" calls are "new" and they are being fleshed out......

DO NOT QUITE YOUR MEETUPS. Don't MAKE ME PAY YOU A VISIT!

[DeadheadForPaul]

That's really sad that a large portion of the conference call focused on a select few trying to advance their anti-Diebold agenda. I'm anti-Diebold too but I'm here to get Dr. Ron Paul elected first and foremost!

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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[LibertyEagle]

Jennifer, stop berating yourself. You and aravoth were two of the highlights of the call. I found both of you to be very interesting. And, please do NOT shut up. We need your effort and your voice. :p

[Dustancostine]

DO NOT QUITE YOUR MEETUPS. Don't MAKE ME PAY YOU A VISIT!

Don't worry I didn't quit my local hard working, boots on the ground meetup. I quit the Vote-In-Sunshine, hide behind Ron Paul's name meetup group 560.

--Dustan

[aravoth]

Jennifer, stop berating yourself. You and aravoth were two of the highlights of the call. I found both of you to be very interesting. And, please do NOT shut up. We need your effort and your voice. :p

:D I was drunk last night, was a pretty entertaining phone call. :D

[LibertyEagle]

:D I was drunk last night, was a pretty entertaining phone call. :D

Really? Couldn't tell.

[LibertyEagle]

Don't worry I didn't quit my local hard working, boots on the ground meetup. I quit the Vote-In-Sunshine, hide behind Ron Paul's name meetup group 560.

--Dustan

You missed the part where they were told to setup a different conference call to discuss the vote fraud. That this one was for Ron Paul meetups.

[LibertyEagle]

Or better yet, APPOINT a MODERATOR.

I get on conference calls all the time for business. YOU Need a moderator.



Xar, there WAS a moderator. However, she wasn't doing much of anything to "moderate".

[njjack]

It's easy. Click on the "account" link at top right in tiny text. Then click on "Membership and Communication". You should be able to take it from there.

Thanks for the info after last night I removed myself from group 560 too, it ended up being a total waste of time. ALL THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS VOTE FRAUD and ARGUE!!! :mad:

[njjack]

You missed the part where they were told to setup a different conference call to discuss the vote fraud. That this one was for Ron Paul meetups.

They've discussed this topic before on previous calls, all the moderators for the call are part of the Vote in Sunshine organization, I can't see them leaving the topic as they are more so wrapped around it then they are the Ron Paul campaign. In fact I heard the moderators and guest speaker directly attack and call for resignations of Jesse Benton, Kent Snyder and others that are volunteering to get Ron Paul's name out. They directly attacked the guy who was helping with the adopt an iowan thing by questioning his loyalty to the Ron Paul efforts. It was bad.

They will just continue to use the call as a bait and switch technique to recruit new Vote in Sunshine (or whatever they will call themselves next week) volunteers. I have no problem with their fighting vote fraud, its when anyone corrupts Ron Paul's name and shifts it to serve a special interest is what I have a problem with. Makes me sick.

From what it sounded like, they are just really desperate for volunteers for this vote fraud thing. It's sad to see they've gone down this road in order to recruit. The ends do not justify the means, it sounds like at the core they believe in what they are trying to do and sort of have good intentions. But you know what they say, the road to hell is paved with stones of good intentions.

[Dustancostine]

They've discussed this topic before on previous calls, all the moderators for the call are part of the Vote in Sunshine organization, I can't see them leaving the topic as they are more so wrapped around it then they are the Ron Paul campaign. In fact I heard the moderators and guest speaker directly attack and call for resignations of Jesse Benton, Kent Snyder and others that are volunteering to get Ron Paul's name out. They will just continue to use the call as a bait and switch technique to recruit new Vote in Sunshine (or whatever they will call themselves next week) volunteers. I have no problem with their fighting vote fraud, its when anyone corrupts Ron Paul's name and shifts it to serve a special interest is what I have a problem with. Makes me sick.

Ditto

The people running the call are VIS people, why would they change? If they do let me know and I will rejoin. But they are hijacking the campaign for their special interest.

--Dustan

[LibertyEagle]

They've discussed this topic before on previous calls, all the moderators for the call are part of the Vote in Sunshine organization, I can't see them leaving the topic as they are more so wrapped around it then they are the Ron Paul campaign. In fact I heard the moderators and guest speaker directly attack and call for resignations of Jesse Benton, Kent Snyder and others that are volunteering to get Ron Paul's name out. They directly attacked the guy who was helping with the adopt an iowan thing by questioning his loyalty to the Ron Paul efforts. It was bad.



Yes, I heard that too, which is why someone spoke up in the call and put an end to it. I was just saying that the guy who usually leads most of these was pretty much falling all over himself after that apologizing and saying that yes, the Vote fraud people had misunderstood and that they needed to set up their OWN conference calls, because this one was for Meetup groups. There does however seem to be so very many other groups that are trying to piggyback their agendas off of this campaign. I have never seen anything like it.

Maybe we should start another call, that we know is just for Ron Paul and no other agenda. I would be all for it. It's going to be tough though to moderate, because if we suggest that a topic does not relate to the campaign and should be taken elsewhere, we are going to be accused of halting free speech and all other kinds of BS.

[njjack]

I think the problem originates with having guest speakers it sets an agenda for a call that can very easily burn up the first two hours of conversation. Seems to me a free flowing call where people get a chance to talk for a few minutes regarding an idea is a better approach.

[Jennifer Reynolds]

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