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colecrowe
03-05-2008, 01:28 AM
I'll send him $3,000 if he declares independent. I will eat ramen or nothing for a year in order to do it. I'll give up skiing vacations and just about everything.

I have friends and family and coworkers (in the Army) that will send him thousands upon thousands if he declares indy.

Otherwise, why?

What does he need money for? To speak at the convention, where 70% of the delegates will boo him so loud the walls will fall down?

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Absolutely nothing will come from an indy run. You will only have a media blackout worse than it is now, and an even lower chance of winning the general election that now.

Why do you think that? What chance do we have of winning now? The same chance as Kucinich winning the Dem nomination: negative 10 percent.

Ross Perot only spent 64 million on his campaign--a little over 100 million in todays dollars. NOT BILLIONS. So anybody that says so is a fing idiot!--actually they are probably dishonest. And Ron Paul's grassroots is a hundred times more devoted and ready to sacrifice and fight. And the nay-sayers will say "We can't get on the ballots--it's impossible!" Oh, but Ross Perot could? Morons. And Ross Perot was in first place by 9 points (or 8--whatever it was) before he dropped out and said he was threatened (and he still got 19% of the vote--which is great--and Ron Paul is way more amazing than Perot, with way bigger support. And the conditions are similar--there was a recession in '92--now 70% of Americans polled think the economy is bad and likely to get worse, inflation is soaring and gas is still painfully expensive. And then you have the war. The Dems have the war, but they can't get the fiscal, immigration, gun, and school conservatives. The Republicans have what they have (i would argue, not much, with their current candidate, except they would be guaranteed 90% of the pro-war vote (so 30% maybe))--but 72% of Americans want the war to end.

the only reason Ron Paul wouldn't run indy is if he doesn't get overwhelming support for it. That is the only reason he ran in this race. If hundreds of thousands of people write him letters saying they want him to run, they will send money, and get signatures, and canvass, then he will do it. As one of those soldiers that has given to him and worked for his campaign, and knowing that so many of my buddies in Iraq and soon to go back want him to be President so bad, I feel like he will consider that and do it for us troops (and of course for everyone else)--but I mean, it has to mean something incredibly huge that the nation's troops want him as their commander in chief so badly! Please Mr. Paul, please run, please fight, and we will fight with you for a win...

If Ron Paul declared an indy run (after March 4th of course) then he could raise 25 million right off the bat. Everyone I know would give twice what they already have. We could get 200,000 precinct captains and get the 38 states back that are useless to us now in the Repub race because they've already voted, and have 7 months to canvass. Run a couple nationwide amazing infomercials.

Country over party. Remember what all the founders (the good ones) said about parties? Do you think they'd agree that Ron Paul should care more about offending the GOP than fighting for the Constitution, freedom, and government of the people?
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We could have an entire forum, NOT A SUBFORUM OF G.C., devoted to "Independent/Third Party Run"... (I'm definitely for indy...but it doesn't matter for the Forum.)

Then we could give every state a ballot subforum. We could have 1 master "ballot" subforum for talk about meta-ballot issues, like legal challenges, places to find sources about ballot issues, etc.

There could be 1 main subforum for general discussion.

This poll is about numbers, not necessarily percentage. If a ton of us want one, that would be great to know.


March 4, 2008: Paul defeats Peden

March 5, 2008: Paul announces independent run

April 15, 2008: Paul sets new, single-day online fundraising record

June 1, 2008: Paul at 15% in multiple opinion polls

July 31, 2008: Paul, with double-digit support, accepts presidential debates invitation

September 1, 2008: McCain, Clinton and Paul in three-way tie in national polls

October 31, 2008: Race still neck-and-neck-and-neck

November 4, 2008: Paul wins

November 5, 2008: Paul resigns TX-14 U.S. House seat, Peden the favorite to win special election

January 20, 2009: Paul sworn in as 44th U.S. President

supporters of a Ron Paul Presidency (an indy run...not just supporters of the GOP like so many others here):


BuddyRey
DFF
RonPaulFanInGA
Alex Libman
Andrew76
speciallyblend
mketcher
Airborn
rockandrollsouls
RollOn2day
Aidyl
Lovecraftian4Paul
Russellk30
FluffyUnbound
IDefendThePlatform
morerocklesstalk
TNFreedom
Madison
Seadeus
ndega360
Peace&Freedom
LibertyRevolution
Drknows
ronpaulyourmom
lonestarguy
colecrowe

=26

Please find more and more names of people on here that support an indy run.

Wait 'til March 4th, because things might turn around between now and then, and most importantly, because his congressional primary is on that day, and he needs to win that to maintain credibility or whatever.

But we need a way to show the people's support, in a huge way, for an independent run. We have to prove it to him. Obviously, it's his choice--duh. But he would have never started running in the first place if it wasn't for the humongous clamoring and promise of support from so many people. (I know we already have www.RonPaulWhiteHouse.com (http://www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com/), but I am thinking something way, way better and bigger.)

I have figured out, and so have many of you and many more on here, some really great facts and arguments that prove that an independent run would be wise and could be very successful. I am gathering them all together. Please help me in that. Please get more and more names of those who will support us.

I want to start a site like "draft Ron Paul for independent" or somesuch. I want people to be able to print off pledge forms and opinion survey forms that they can take around to family and coworkers, etc. Then they could come online and update us with their results, like people do on the precinct captain site.

I know from my experience that scores of people would be extremely excited about and supportive of an indy run. Tons of family, friends, and coworkers (especially my army buddies--tons of them would give a little cash) would give a bunch more (they aren't going to give anymore to him now--that's for sure) and my wife and I and a few other people I know would canvass and call.

So, anyway, let's get something started. Please get back to me and recruit others.

Well, you guys can go ahead and not give a crap about your country, but my brother and I are going to Iraq in August, so I actually give a crap, because I'd like Ron Paul to start bringing us home quickly in January, and then he could start sending us after al-Queda and Osama, etc. So, yeah, go ahead and call me "not a real RP supporter" or say that I "don't think he can win"--because I actually think it is incredibly important that he be our president, and I absolutely think he can win as an independent, and I care much, much more about ending the Iraq war, restoring freedom, and saving our economy than I do about the GOP. And how many Americans would love to start to take down the horrible two-party system? Most. (INCLUDING Ron Paul--the stupidest, most incredible thing that people use as an argument against an indy run, is that "Ron Paul has always been a Republican--he's the true Republican--he would lose credibility with the GOP (just forget that he has almost none now because 85% of Repubs are rabidly pro-war and most his primary votes came from new registrees)--blah, blah, blah--BUT they forget, Ron Paul hates the party system, just like the founders did. And what of his undying loyalty to the wonderful GOP? BS: he resigned from the GOP--and he's a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party.

colecrowe
03-05-2008, 01:29 AM
Agreed. Look, I've tried to look at this race pragmatically as anyone else has, and I really thought RP could get the Republican nomination, but I think what we really need to re-galvanize grassroots efforts and get people hopeful and excited about the Revolution again is a BIG, BOLD MOVE!!!

An Indy run would be the talk of the blogosphere, enormous news (even if the MSM ignored it), and would shake the political establishment to its foundations. The cannons and fanfare of a Ron Paul '08 Indy run would make Perot '92 look like a Saturday afternoon paintball match in the park.

Even conservatives are livid with the GOP right now for propping up an uninspiring centrist with a shady history and an embarrassing voting record. Even neocons don't like war as much as they like saving countless trillions of dollars in wasteful government spending. Having to choose between a very frugal, fiscally responsible peacenik and a hawkish spendthrift, we have the neocons between a rock and a hard place (or...Iraq and a hard place!)

I heard last week that Rush Limbaugh's planning on voting for Hillary over McCain, which made me bust a gut laughing, because it proves that the so-called "conservatives" who are so quick to take up that mantle are usually anything but conservative. Still, they would HAVE to get behind a Paul/Barr or Paul/Goldwater ticket, or face being completely discredited and exposed for the shills they are...

colecrowe
03-05-2008, 01:30 AM
bump

jointhefightforfreedom
03-05-2008, 01:33 AM
Which is a winning strategy at this point?

1 converting delegates and stealing the GOP nomination?

2. a 3rd party run ? MSM isn't gonna give Paul any media attention without it unless he drops out

Bottom line is what is our winning Strategy now and when do we begin orginizing for it?
The nomination is not final until the delegates vote!
I am a delegate voting for Paul in fact our entire precinct was ALL Paul delegates
in a city of 400,000 in texas

I am for either!
which ever has a chance of winning
I think there is a better chance of an independant run!

unite all the indy parties!!

qh4dotcom
03-05-2008, 01:37 AM
I am hoping that someone Ron Paul endorses runs 3rd party.

Paulitician
03-05-2008, 01:37 AM
He isn't going to do it. And yes, the blackout will continue after the short buzz that he's running third party/indpendent.

Look, I as much as anyone else would have loved to see a Ron Paul presidency, but now is not the time. Here's why:

The american people are stupid/ignorant/misinformed
If Paul by a miracle were to win, the economic disasters would be blamed on him
If Paul were to run third party and the Dems win (which they will), the blame would be put on him for McCain losing

A Dem presidency is good because, hopefully the Republicans reject liberal and neo-con republicans like McCain, and blame would be put on the democrat's ultra socialistic policies for the economy (their policies are going to make the matter worse, just you watch). Either in 2012 or 2016 would be greats years for liberty and conservatism, because the American public will be disullioned with the Dems, and because of economic issues. We're likely to see another Coolidge, Taft, Goldwater, Reagan, and Ron Paul candidate emerge. That's my prediction anyway. So I'm not worried about Ron Paul not being president. Tough times are ahead but I think the movement is real, so we have things to look forward to. With that note, I'm done for the night and off to bed.

dvdrink
03-05-2008, 01:44 AM
there's no reason to give Ron Paul more money at this point. He says he's not going 3rd party. McCain has effectively locked up the nomination, regardless of whatever fanciful scenario about McCain croaking or the super-secret Paul delegates being seated at the convention.

Paul has just won his GOP contest tonight. He has already won in 2008.

Let's get real about the rest of this and start supporting the cadre of Ron Paul Republicans who are still locked in their own battles and who need our help.

Hook
03-05-2008, 01:47 AM
I'll send him $3,000 if he declares independent. I will eat ramen or nothing for a year in order to do it. I'll give up skiing vacations and just about everything.



Careful what you commit to. You may end up eating it later. :D

wowabunga
03-05-2008, 01:51 AM
Which is a winning strategy at this point?

1 converting delegates and stealing the GOP nomination?

2. a 3rd party run ? MSM isn't gonna give Paul any media attention without it unless he drops out




3. Educate the public

Supporters of Ron Paul have never been bam-boozled.... we've been told the truth and yes we are upset. On the other hand, how do you think Joe Patriot will feel once he/she discovers that the "game" is tilted towards a small minority of crooks ???

Lets figure out how to educate our neighbors. How do you explain to them that they have been lied too ???

Hook
03-05-2008, 01:59 AM
3. Educate the public

Supporters of Ron Paul have never been bam-boozled.... we've been told the truth and yes we are upset. On the other hand, how do you think Joe Patriot will feel once he/she discovers that the "game" is tilted towards a small minority of crooks ???

Lets figure out how to educate our neighbors. How do you explain to them that they have been lied too ???

May I suggest that you put the gas nozzle away when you explain it to people. It helps the credibility along. :D

ryanmkeisling
03-05-2008, 02:09 AM
I have to agree that an indy run would be the right choice at this point. Dr. Paul is not a popular republican and keeps hammering away at this "I'm here to fix the party"
Part of me thinks this is part of the campaigns strategy, to get republicans, who know their party is in shambles and don't like mcain (although they are getting behind him now,) to see things differently. Or maybe they think the economy will get so bad in the coming months that this will help as well. I'd love to know what cards their holding or if they are simply bluffing?

I read all of the "he should run indy" stuff and you guys convinced me.:D

wowabunga
03-05-2008, 02:27 AM
May I suggest that you put the gas nozzle away when you explain it to people. It helps the credibility along. :D

That guy with the gas nozzle is off of a Aero Smith album cover. My fixation is not with oil... it's with old cars and old architecture. My dream is to restore a old gas station and make it a community icecream shop hangout. A place where people can rub elbows and talk to each other, laugh, sing, create, cry.... live.

Laugh Hard, Hang Tough, Lend a Hand
Ramblin Randy