colecrowe
03-05-2008, 01:28 AM
I'll send him $3,000 if he declares independent. I will eat ramen or nothing for a year in order to do it. I'll give up skiing vacations and just about everything.
I have friends and family and coworkers (in the Army) that will send him thousands upon thousands if he declares indy.
Otherwise, why?
What does he need money for? To speak at the convention, where 70% of the delegates will boo him so loud the walls will fall down?
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Absolutely nothing will come from an indy run. You will only have a media blackout worse than it is now, and an even lower chance of winning the general election that now.
Why do you think that? What chance do we have of winning now? The same chance as Kucinich winning the Dem nomination: negative 10 percent.
Ross Perot only spent 64 million on his campaign--a little over 100 million in todays dollars. NOT BILLIONS. So anybody that says so is a fing idiot!--actually they are probably dishonest. And Ron Paul's grassroots is a hundred times more devoted and ready to sacrifice and fight. And the nay-sayers will say "We can't get on the ballots--it's impossible!" Oh, but Ross Perot could? Morons. And Ross Perot was in first place by 9 points (or 8--whatever it was) before he dropped out and said he was threatened (and he still got 19% of the vote--which is great--and Ron Paul is way more amazing than Perot, with way bigger support. And the conditions are similar--there was a recession in '92--now 70% of Americans polled think the economy is bad and likely to get worse, inflation is soaring and gas is still painfully expensive. And then you have the war. The Dems have the war, but they can't get the fiscal, immigration, gun, and school conservatives. The Republicans have what they have (i would argue, not much, with their current candidate, except they would be guaranteed 90% of the pro-war vote (so 30% maybe))--but 72% of Americans want the war to end.
the only reason Ron Paul wouldn't run indy is if he doesn't get overwhelming support for it. That is the only reason he ran in this race. If hundreds of thousands of people write him letters saying they want him to run, they will send money, and get signatures, and canvass, then he will do it. As one of those soldiers that has given to him and worked for his campaign, and knowing that so many of my buddies in Iraq and soon to go back want him to be President so bad, I feel like he will consider that and do it for us troops (and of course for everyone else)--but I mean, it has to mean something incredibly huge that the nation's troops want him as their commander in chief so badly! Please Mr. Paul, please run, please fight, and we will fight with you for a win...
If Ron Paul declared an indy run (after March 4th of course) then he could raise 25 million right off the bat. Everyone I know would give twice what they already have. We could get 200,000 precinct captains and get the 38 states back that are useless to us now in the Repub race because they've already voted, and have 7 months to canvass. Run a couple nationwide amazing infomercials.
Country over party. Remember what all the founders (the good ones) said about parties? Do you think they'd agree that Ron Paul should care more about offending the GOP than fighting for the Constitution, freedom, and government of the people?
* * *
We could have an entire forum, NOT A SUBFORUM OF G.C., devoted to "Independent/Third Party Run"... (I'm definitely for indy...but it doesn't matter for the Forum.)
Then we could give every state a ballot subforum. We could have 1 master "ballot" subforum for talk about meta-ballot issues, like legal challenges, places to find sources about ballot issues, etc.
There could be 1 main subforum for general discussion.
This poll is about numbers, not necessarily percentage. If a ton of us want one, that would be great to know.
March 4, 2008: Paul defeats Peden
March 5, 2008: Paul announces independent run
April 15, 2008: Paul sets new, single-day online fundraising record
June 1, 2008: Paul at 15% in multiple opinion polls
July 31, 2008: Paul, with double-digit support, accepts presidential debates invitation
September 1, 2008: McCain, Clinton and Paul in three-way tie in national polls
October 31, 2008: Race still neck-and-neck-and-neck
November 4, 2008: Paul wins
November 5, 2008: Paul resigns TX-14 U.S. House seat, Peden the favorite to win special election
January 20, 2009: Paul sworn in as 44th U.S. President
supporters of a Ron Paul Presidency (an indy run...not just supporters of the GOP like so many others here):
BuddyRey
DFF
RonPaulFanInGA
Alex Libman
Andrew76
speciallyblend
mketcher
Airborn
rockandrollsouls
RollOn2day
Aidyl
Lovecraftian4Paul
Russellk30
FluffyUnbound
IDefendThePlatform
morerocklesstalk
TNFreedom
Madison
Seadeus
ndega360
Peace&Freedom
LibertyRevolution
Drknows
ronpaulyourmom
lonestarguy
colecrowe
=26
Please find more and more names of people on here that support an indy run.
Wait 'til March 4th, because things might turn around between now and then, and most importantly, because his congressional primary is on that day, and he needs to win that to maintain credibility or whatever.
But we need a way to show the people's support, in a huge way, for an independent run. We have to prove it to him. Obviously, it's his choice--duh. But he would have never started running in the first place if it wasn't for the humongous clamoring and promise of support from so many people. (I know we already have www.RonPaulWhiteHouse.com (http://www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com/), but I am thinking something way, way better and bigger.)
I have figured out, and so have many of you and many more on here, some really great facts and arguments that prove that an independent run would be wise and could be very successful. I am gathering them all together. Please help me in that. Please get more and more names of those who will support us.
I want to start a site like "draft Ron Paul for independent" or somesuch. I want people to be able to print off pledge forms and opinion survey forms that they can take around to family and coworkers, etc. Then they could come online and update us with their results, like people do on the precinct captain site.
I know from my experience that scores of people would be extremely excited about and supportive of an indy run. Tons of family, friends, and coworkers (especially my army buddies--tons of them would give a little cash) would give a bunch more (they aren't going to give anymore to him now--that's for sure) and my wife and I and a few other people I know would canvass and call.
So, anyway, let's get something started. Please get back to me and recruit others.
Well, you guys can go ahead and not give a crap about your country, but my brother and I are going to Iraq in August, so I actually give a crap, because I'd like Ron Paul to start bringing us home quickly in January, and then he could start sending us after al-Queda and Osama, etc. So, yeah, go ahead and call me "not a real RP supporter" or say that I "don't think he can win"--because I actually think it is incredibly important that he be our president, and I absolutely think he can win as an independent, and I care much, much more about ending the Iraq war, restoring freedom, and saving our economy than I do about the GOP. And how many Americans would love to start to take down the horrible two-party system? Most. (INCLUDING Ron Paul--the stupidest, most incredible thing that people use as an argument against an indy run, is that "Ron Paul has always been a Republican--he's the true Republican--he would lose credibility with the GOP (just forget that he has almost none now because 85% of Repubs are rabidly pro-war and most his primary votes came from new registrees)--blah, blah, blah--BUT they forget, Ron Paul hates the party system, just like the founders did. And what of his undying loyalty to the wonderful GOP? BS: he resigned from the GOP--and he's a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party.
I have friends and family and coworkers (in the Army) that will send him thousands upon thousands if he declares indy.
Otherwise, why?
What does he need money for? To speak at the convention, where 70% of the delegates will boo him so loud the walls will fall down?
* * *
Absolutely nothing will come from an indy run. You will only have a media blackout worse than it is now, and an even lower chance of winning the general election that now.
Why do you think that? What chance do we have of winning now? The same chance as Kucinich winning the Dem nomination: negative 10 percent.
Ross Perot only spent 64 million on his campaign--a little over 100 million in todays dollars. NOT BILLIONS. So anybody that says so is a fing idiot!--actually they are probably dishonest. And Ron Paul's grassroots is a hundred times more devoted and ready to sacrifice and fight. And the nay-sayers will say "We can't get on the ballots--it's impossible!" Oh, but Ross Perot could? Morons. And Ross Perot was in first place by 9 points (or 8--whatever it was) before he dropped out and said he was threatened (and he still got 19% of the vote--which is great--and Ron Paul is way more amazing than Perot, with way bigger support. And the conditions are similar--there was a recession in '92--now 70% of Americans polled think the economy is bad and likely to get worse, inflation is soaring and gas is still painfully expensive. And then you have the war. The Dems have the war, but they can't get the fiscal, immigration, gun, and school conservatives. The Republicans have what they have (i would argue, not much, with their current candidate, except they would be guaranteed 90% of the pro-war vote (so 30% maybe))--but 72% of Americans want the war to end.
the only reason Ron Paul wouldn't run indy is if he doesn't get overwhelming support for it. That is the only reason he ran in this race. If hundreds of thousands of people write him letters saying they want him to run, they will send money, and get signatures, and canvass, then he will do it. As one of those soldiers that has given to him and worked for his campaign, and knowing that so many of my buddies in Iraq and soon to go back want him to be President so bad, I feel like he will consider that and do it for us troops (and of course for everyone else)--but I mean, it has to mean something incredibly huge that the nation's troops want him as their commander in chief so badly! Please Mr. Paul, please run, please fight, and we will fight with you for a win...
If Ron Paul declared an indy run (after March 4th of course) then he could raise 25 million right off the bat. Everyone I know would give twice what they already have. We could get 200,000 precinct captains and get the 38 states back that are useless to us now in the Repub race because they've already voted, and have 7 months to canvass. Run a couple nationwide amazing infomercials.
Country over party. Remember what all the founders (the good ones) said about parties? Do you think they'd agree that Ron Paul should care more about offending the GOP than fighting for the Constitution, freedom, and government of the people?
* * *
We could have an entire forum, NOT A SUBFORUM OF G.C., devoted to "Independent/Third Party Run"... (I'm definitely for indy...but it doesn't matter for the Forum.)
Then we could give every state a ballot subforum. We could have 1 master "ballot" subforum for talk about meta-ballot issues, like legal challenges, places to find sources about ballot issues, etc.
There could be 1 main subforum for general discussion.
This poll is about numbers, not necessarily percentage. If a ton of us want one, that would be great to know.
March 4, 2008: Paul defeats Peden
March 5, 2008: Paul announces independent run
April 15, 2008: Paul sets new, single-day online fundraising record
June 1, 2008: Paul at 15% in multiple opinion polls
July 31, 2008: Paul, with double-digit support, accepts presidential debates invitation
September 1, 2008: McCain, Clinton and Paul in three-way tie in national polls
October 31, 2008: Race still neck-and-neck-and-neck
November 4, 2008: Paul wins
November 5, 2008: Paul resigns TX-14 U.S. House seat, Peden the favorite to win special election
January 20, 2009: Paul sworn in as 44th U.S. President
supporters of a Ron Paul Presidency (an indy run...not just supporters of the GOP like so many others here):
BuddyRey
DFF
RonPaulFanInGA
Alex Libman
Andrew76
speciallyblend
mketcher
Airborn
rockandrollsouls
RollOn2day
Aidyl
Lovecraftian4Paul
Russellk30
FluffyUnbound
IDefendThePlatform
morerocklesstalk
TNFreedom
Madison
Seadeus
ndega360
Peace&Freedom
LibertyRevolution
Drknows
ronpaulyourmom
lonestarguy
colecrowe
=26
Please find more and more names of people on here that support an indy run.
Wait 'til March 4th, because things might turn around between now and then, and most importantly, because his congressional primary is on that day, and he needs to win that to maintain credibility or whatever.
But we need a way to show the people's support, in a huge way, for an independent run. We have to prove it to him. Obviously, it's his choice--duh. But he would have never started running in the first place if it wasn't for the humongous clamoring and promise of support from so many people. (I know we already have www.RonPaulWhiteHouse.com (http://www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com/), but I am thinking something way, way better and bigger.)
I have figured out, and so have many of you and many more on here, some really great facts and arguments that prove that an independent run would be wise and could be very successful. I am gathering them all together. Please help me in that. Please get more and more names of those who will support us.
I want to start a site like "draft Ron Paul for independent" or somesuch. I want people to be able to print off pledge forms and opinion survey forms that they can take around to family and coworkers, etc. Then they could come online and update us with their results, like people do on the precinct captain site.
I know from my experience that scores of people would be extremely excited about and supportive of an indy run. Tons of family, friends, and coworkers (especially my army buddies--tons of them would give a little cash) would give a bunch more (they aren't going to give anymore to him now--that's for sure) and my wife and I and a few other people I know would canvass and call.
So, anyway, let's get something started. Please get back to me and recruit others.
Well, you guys can go ahead and not give a crap about your country, but my brother and I are going to Iraq in August, so I actually give a crap, because I'd like Ron Paul to start bringing us home quickly in January, and then he could start sending us after al-Queda and Osama, etc. So, yeah, go ahead and call me "not a real RP supporter" or say that I "don't think he can win"--because I actually think it is incredibly important that he be our president, and I absolutely think he can win as an independent, and I care much, much more about ending the Iraq war, restoring freedom, and saving our economy than I do about the GOP. And how many Americans would love to start to take down the horrible two-party system? Most. (INCLUDING Ron Paul--the stupidest, most incredible thing that people use as an argument against an indy run, is that "Ron Paul has always been a Republican--he's the true Republican--he would lose credibility with the GOP (just forget that he has almost none now because 85% of Repubs are rabidly pro-war and most his primary votes came from new registrees)--blah, blah, blah--BUT they forget, Ron Paul hates the party system, just like the founders did. And what of his undying loyalty to the wonderful GOP? BS: he resigned from the GOP--and he's a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party.