I've Lost All Hope For America.

[Patriot123]

As a freshman in high school, I've officially lost all hope in our political system, I've lost all hope in our justice system, and I've lost all hope for America. Next election I'll be voting... well, at least eligable to vote. Doesn't mean I will. Why? Because this election has proven to me that good things never happen. We can continue this fight as much as we like. But where is that going to get us if 90% of our damned nation won't listen to us, won't accept our ideas of Americanism, and doesn't even know right from wrong? It's irreversable. By the time we actually get a majority of this country behind Dr. Paul's message of Americanism, our country will have either all ready collapsed, we'll all ready be dead via WWIII, or we'll all be carrying around 'our papers.' I've lost all hope. I used to constantly lecture my friends on Americanism. I used to lecture the 'political club' I was in about Americanism. But none of them care. No one cares. I've had debates with complete strangers about Americanism. But none of them listen, none of them care. It's how America's been brainwashed into thinking that politicians are these friendly people who are working in their best interest. "Oh, well I'm voting for Clinton because she's a woman, and she seems like a really sweet, honest person." "Well I'm voting for Obama because he's black!"

I will refuse to vote next election, that is assuming there will be an election, simply because America deserves the worst possible president we can elect.

[coyote_sprit]

I will refuse to vote next election, that is assuming there will be an election, simply because America deserves the worst possible president we can elect.Maybe people will finally see the blurred line between republicans and democrats if we get Obama or Hillary and we can truly have a revolution.

[Patriot123]

Nope. Even then they would still think that they're only trying to do "what's best for them." Even if they force everyone to get chips and carry around papers, they would STILL have the mentality of, "Oh, it's just for my safety."

[Kotin]

i feel the exact same way.


but..

Evil can only transpire if Good Men do nothing.

so i will fight, and ask you to fight with us.

[nate895]

I am a sophomore, and I am doing something about it, see my signature.

[Doktor_Jeep]

We are all going to die.

So start looking for a good day to die.

[Patriot123]

i feel the exact same way.


but..

Evil can only transpire if Good Men do nothing.

so i will fight, and ask you to fight with us.

Oh, of course I'll fight. But I'm just affirming the fact that our country deserves who they elect.

[Shooterman]

As a freshman in high school, I've officially lost all hope in our political system, I've lost all hope in our justice system, and I've lost all hope for America. Next election I'll be voting... well, at least eligable to vote. Doesn't mean I will. Why? Because this election has proven to me that good things never happen. We can continue this fight as much as we like. But where is that going to get us if 90% of our damned nation won't listen to us, won't accept our ideas of Americanism, and doesn't even know right from wrong? It's irreversable. By the time we actually get a majority of this country behind Dr. Paul's message of Americanism, our country will have either all ready collapsed, we'll all ready be dead via WWIII, or we'll all be carrying around 'our papers.' I've lost all hope. I used to constantly lecture my friends on Americanism. I used to lecture the 'political club' I was in about Americanism. But none of them care. No one cares. I've had debates with complete strangers about Americanism. But none of them listen, none of them care. It's how America's been brainwashed into thinking that politicians are these friendly people who are working in their best interest. "Oh, well I'm voting for Clinton because she's a woman, and she seems like a really sweet, honest person." "Well I'm voting for Obama because he's black!"

I will refuse to vote next election, that is assuming there will be an election, simply because America deserves the worst possible president we can elect.

Sorry, but you do not know what despair is. In '64, this nation had an opportunity to elect and Old Right PUB, Barry Goldwater. Before that, Robert Taft was the man in '52. Barry G was trounced so badly as to make one sick, BTW, three liberal Big East PUBS started the mess that took him down. One of those was Mitzi's old man George Romney. We've had criminals, incompetents, war mongers ever since. Reagan was the best of the lot, but he was only quasi-conservative. You are young, but you pick your self up, quit whining, and start trying to find another good man to run. You've got a lot of elections, hopefully, to come. A few more years and my string will be at the short end, but if the Good Lord allows me to vote in November next, I will proudly cast my vote for Ron Paul. Never again will I vote for the evil of two lessers.

[nodope0695]

Most people WANT whats best for them DONE FOR THEM. They are, WE are, products of the welfare, entitlement state. We've waken up, but many, many have not.

Sheeple expect the government to tuck them in at night, to keep them safe, and to wipe their asses for them. When that doesn't happen - when SHEEPLE are faced with taking personal responsibility for their lives and their actions, the SHEEPLE recoil and grab for more government to save them...its pathetic, unconstitutional, unamerican, and sadly its true.

[Nirvikalpa]

I am freshman in college, and I feel the same way. We are the generation that is going to suffer the most because of the next president - and yet how many people in your high school even care about politics? Hell, I was campaigning in my college and students didn't know diddlysquat.

You remind me of myself when I was in HS. You just have to keep on chuggin' and be content knowing there are students your age, and a bit older (like myself) that are fighting everyday for our Country.

Our generation will wake up and smell the coffee.

And yes, our country does deserve the worst possible president. Yet everytime I say that I can't help but feel bad for the troops (if Obama is elected) that will be forced to fight in Pakistan and Iran. For them, and for my family I hope to have in a few years after college, I keep fighting.

It's really shameful and sad to see 13 and 14 year olds are so depressed about their country. That really gets me depressed. Bless you, though. Together hopefully we can change the world. =/

[crackyflipside]

You guys really sweat the small stuff. I am fairly certain the next election will be electing a socialist into office unless there is another 'terrorist attack' or our delegate coup is successful in the nat'l convention.

What everyone needs to do is not be afraid to talk about their political position. Think about it, when a Dem comes into office and people start complaining when nothing changes, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD. Especially if you are in school. Whenever the topic comes up, do not be afraid to inject your politics into it, chances are the rest of your classmates have no clue on politics and you may get new support from them.

Yes it's a very long process but for it to work you can't just stay quiet when people are begging for solutions.

[Pauls' Revere]

Maybe people will finally see the blurred line between republicans and democrats if we get Obama or Hillary and we can truly have a revolution.


The blurred line is with McCain. He's a Demopublican and a Republocrat when he needs to be to suit his interest or for those lobbyist and PAC's who back him. McCain/Kennedy?!?! McCain/Feinstien?!?! I would think the neocons would be in an uproar.

[IcyPeaceMaker]

This site is stale, but the trends are clear, view the charts and understand that at this late date, Americans and the world are fed up with the foreign policy we seem helpless to change:
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=206

[mtmedlin]

Oh common, you are WAY too young to be this melancholy. Hell you havent really had your balls kicked in good yet. (try being a Libertarian)
Liberty is something that we have to fight for. If the revolutionary Army had given up so quick we would be speaking with a funny accent and smoking ******s.

[hairball]

Truly and surely, to be calling yourself jaded before you are even out of high school is more revealing about YOUr character than the character of the nation. As you have stated, Patriot, you have not even voted. If you refuse to vote, you give up all bitching rights. You have proven you do NOT have the courage of conviction.

Thing is, there is still hope.

There is always hope. We have weathered far worse than what you see now. We will endure other hardships. We have lost NOTHING, we must always fight in whatever way we can. Or you can.

I haven't stoppped fighting since before high school. Maybe it was from having a militant mother who was a bit of a beatnik, perhaps it was from all the books I read, or the places I had been to and people I had talked to by the time I was 18. There still is no better country than this one here. It is worth fighting for. Just because Ron never had a chance does not mean that at some time, when you have matured, YOU, Patriot, cannot make a difference yourself by becoming involved in the machine, fighting the machine, resisting the machine instead of talking like the fight is over.

[Dieseler]

You are the future Patriot123.
I know you are just venting and I don't blame you at all with the position you are in.
You in my opinion have as much right to vote as any Social Security recipient in the country.
Hang in there, Nose to the ground and keep on fighting. You have the enviable position of being able to talk to the next generation on a daily basis from the perspective of a peer.
I don't mean to assume anything but,
For a little inspiration from an old timer watch this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6015291679758430958&q=an+idea+whose+time+has+come&total=295&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

One more thing, check out my post in General please. Human Lobotomy, The Final battle. This is something everyone can get behind easily and maybe it is something that will bring more people together against the corporate elite who run our country.

[Andrew-Austin]

Maybe people will finally see the blurred line between republicans and democrats if we get Obama or Hillary and we can truly have a revolution.

I'm skeptical that Americans view of what is going on in our country - is that long term.

Not many out there seem to grasp how bouncing back and forth between the two parties is unhealthy and stupid.

[WilliamC]

We are all going to die.

So start looking for a good day to die.

And do the most good you can with your life while you have it.

[abruzz0]

As a freshman in high school, I've officially lost all hope in our political system, I've lost all hope in our justice system, and I've lost all hope for America. Next election I'll be voting... well, at least eligable to vote. Doesn't mean I will. Why? Because this election has proven to me that good things never happen. We can continue this fight as much as we like. But where is that going to get us if 90% of our damned nation won't listen to us, won't accept our ideas of Americanism, and doesn't even know right from wrong? It's irreversable. By the time we actually get a majority of this country behind Dr. Paul's message of Americanism, our country will have either all ready collapsed, we'll all ready be dead via WWIII, or we'll all be carrying around 'our papers.' I've lost all hope. I used to constantly lecture my friends on Americanism. I used to lecture the 'political club' I was in about Americanism. But none of them care. No one cares. I've had debates with complete strangers about Americanism. But none of them listen, none of them care. It's how America's been brainwashed into thinking that politicians are these friendly people who are working in their best interest. "Oh, well I'm voting for Clinton because she's a woman, and she seems like a really sweet, honest person." "Well I'm voting for Obama because he's black!"

I will refuse to vote next election, that is assuming there will be an election, simply because America deserves the worst possible president we can elect.

I went through the same thing in high school a couple years back. No one cared. And when they did care, it led to me being called "crazy" and "paranoid." Still, I speak up when I can and when I feel its necessary. People need to know this shit, and it doesn't matter to me whether they want to hear it or not.

Unfortunately, "my friends", the American sheeple have spoken, and they are craving for more debt, wars, and inflation. As long as Obama can raise their self-esteem on CNN with 3rd grade chants and the like, I guess we'll be okay, huh?

The American people are ignorant... and stupid. Yes, stupid.

[acptulsa]

patriot123, I started shouting in the wilderness just like you when I was about your age. Reagan was elected at about that time. Since then I gave up. Since I gave up, the internet came along, Dubya came along, things got worse, and guess what?

You have no idea how far this movement has come. All you can see right now is it hasn't come far enough yet. If you had been writing letters to the editor in 1988 and sending them off to be ignored, you would understand the momentum of it.

patriot123, I now have faith in and hope for America, and you my friend are one of the many reasons why.

[Patriot123]

You see, it's not all that I "don't care about America..." I'd give my life for this nation any day of the week, just as anyone else here would. And yeah, I'll admit I was sort of venting myself :p But I mean... As I said, the way that I feel now is that we've reached the end of the tunnel, metaphorically speaking. And at this point, America just deserves what America gets. If people are going to be so ignorant to not do their own research for a candidate and then actually vote for that candidate, well... They get exactly what they deserve, but what's sad about it is that the coming generations are going to have to deal with their stupidity and carelessness.

I guess in a sense, I just sort of feel like the majority of the country is just literally 'voting my own rights away,' and I can't do anything about it. I mean, I speak out wherever I go. Even today, I still do. And yeah, I'm called crazy. I've debated this sort of thing in school. I remember once I said something along the lines of, "the government shouldn't have to cradle you from birth to death," while reffering to healthcare. And the teacher literally just came out and said, "Well, you know, a lot of diehard conservatives don't want the government to take care of them, but I personally like the idea of the government taking care of me, and I can't see an America without that." My jaw just dropped. In short, America deserves what they get, and that's really all I'm saying. I mean, sure I care what happens. Sure I'm going to care when this nation turns Fascist, which it will. But the ones who I'm going to be blaming are the ones that ignorantly voted for it.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

As a freshman in high school, I've officially lost all hope in our political system, I've lost all hope in our justice system, and I've lost all hope for America. Next election I'll be voting... well, at least eligable to vote. Doesn't mean I will. Why? Because this election has proven to me that good things never happen. We can continue this fight as much as we like. But where is that going to get us if 90% of our damned nation won't listen to us, won't accept our ideas of Americanism, and doesn't even know right from wrong? It's irreversable. By the time we actually get a majority of this country behind Dr. Paul's message of Americanism, our country will have either all ready collapsed, we'll all ready be dead via WWIII, or we'll all be carrying around 'our papers.' I've lost all hope. I used to constantly lecture my friends on Americanism. I used to lecture the 'political club' I was in about Americanism. But none of them care. No one cares. I've had debates with complete strangers about Americanism. But none of them listen, none of them care. It's how America's been brainwashed into thinking that politicians are these friendly people who are working in their best interest. "Oh, well I'm voting for Clinton because she's a woman, and she seems like a really sweet, honest person." "Well I'm voting for Obama because he's black!"

I will refuse to vote next election, that is assuming there will be an election, simply because America deserves the worst possible president we can elect.

It is our system today that has become the loser. To the contrary, we are victorious as a movement because we represent lightning in a bottle. This lightning is a unique unity we have captured in a bottle as both liberals and conservatives supporting Ron Paul. Of course, when we bicker irresponsibly about our political differences rather than define responsibly what is our common American culture, we suffer from a dis-ease which endangers the movement.
Fortunately for us, Dr. Ron Paul has become an American phenomenon greater than himself. While his campaign represents a movement back towards great government, the campaigns of Dr. Ron Paul's opponents represent the same old spreading of political conflict, the same old selling of an empty box of Federal goods to voters and the same old mortgaging of our children's future. We all lose with any winner we pick while living under the legal tyranny.
So, we can't lose while the movement is heading away from the brink of legal tyranny to a direction back towards the civil purpose of our U.S. Constitution. We insure this movement will happen when we replace our political bickering about legal issues with the more responsible behavior of character building.

[joelfarm]

I was re-energized with the number of young, hopeful Americans who inspired us begining last November, when we really thought we had a chance to put our Nation on some sort of rational track. I had erased my doubts and negativism that had come from years of attempting to assist great people who saw the coming collapse of our once powerful and fruitful Nation. I watched as the idealistic dreams of the Reagan revoultion dissapeared into more massive fedgov. I litterally cried when Pat Buchanan was smeared and ridiculed for simply pointing out what was to come. He turned out to be very prophetic in his claims. Although I did not know enough to support him, Ross Perot was another good person, who tried to warn us of what was happening.
I fear that Dr. Paul will go down in history, as well, as another 'Don Quixote', tilting at windmills. My pessimism is back and further enhanced by the knowledge that you fine young people who fired up this campaign will never know the Nation that once was and will never be again.

[acptulsa]

I remember that nation, Joel. I'll fight for it. Perhaps we should spend more time telling tales of it, eh?

[mordechai]

I believe that we are headed for a bad time, here and around the world. I look around at the various forces now in existence, all determined to destroy US national sovreignty. I look at the various people with a grudge against the US through the stupid actions of our politicians, and issues realted to our monetary and trade policy.

I see these factors, and I see a variety of things that our government would have done in the past, and should do now, to stem the tide. When I look at their actions, I have to believe many in Washington are traitors. Whether to foreign governments, or simply compromised by corporate funding.

And, I believe we are at that calm before the storm stage. The attempt now is to consolidate power, and eliminate any attempt by us to "survive" (financially, and liberty-wise), the final days before we are destroyed, and formed into another financial "bloc" like the E.U.

I still have hope, though. America doesn't live as a piece of land, nor blood in veins, or any other such thing. America lives in peoples' hearts. If enough of us keep the dream of America alive, in everything we do, and how we act, and believe, no one can stop us from taking back the country. Nothing can kill an idea. It can only commit "suicide."

When you get depressed, or worry about what is happening in the next few years, remember that.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I was re-energized with the number of young, hopeful Americans who inspired us begining last November, when we really thought we had a chance to put our Nation on some sort of rational track. I had erased my doubts and negativism that had come from years of attempting to assist great people who saw the coming collapse of our once powerful and fruitful Nation. I watched as the idealistic dreams of the Reagan revoultion dissapeared into more massive fedgov. I litterally cried when Pat Buchanan was smeared and ridiculed for simply pointing out what was to come. He turned out to be very prophetic in his claims. Although I did not know enough to support him, Ross Perot was another good person, who tried to warn us of what was happening.
I fear that Dr. Paul will go down in history, as well, as another 'Don Quixote', tilting at windmills. My pessimism is back and further enhanced by the knowledge that you fine young people who fired up this campaign will never know the Nation that once was and will never be again.

But we don't want people crossing the line to join until they are ready. First off, we have nothing to sell them because the Federal box is empty. Second, this isn't a movement where half of us are going to solve our problems at the expense of the other half's contentment. A movement is responsible because it incorporates a unity of conservatives and liberals alike who don't bicker about differences but work to establish the common character they share as Americans. Right now so many different kinds of American people out there have recognize in Ron Paul how we have lost our souls to the legal tyranny ruling over us. This legal tyranny has no face or soul. It is not flesh and blood but a principality and power. We are the ones responsible for its existence; because, we are the ones who who elected professional law makers, expert Judges and lawyers to misinterpret the civil purpose in our Constitution -- Collective Contentment.

[Patriot123]

I believe that we are headed for a bad time, here and around the world. I look around at the various forces now in existence, all determined to destroy US national sovreignty. I look at the various people with a grudge against the US through the stupid actions of our politicians, and issues realted to our monetary and trade policy.

I see these factors, and I see a variety of things that our government would have done in the past, and should do now, to stem the tide. When I look at their actions, I have to believe many in Washington are traitors. Whether to foreign governments, or simply compromised by corporate funding.

And, I believe we are at that calm before the storm stage. The attempt now is to consolidate power, and eliminate any attempt by us to "survive" (financially, and liberty-wise), the final days before we are destroyed, and formed into another financial "bloc" like the E.U.

I still have hope, though. America doesn't live as a piece of land, nor blood in veins, or any other such thing. America lives in peoples' hearts. If enough of us keep the dream of America alive, in everything we do, and how we act, and believe, no one can stop us from taking back the country. Nothing can kill an idea. It can only commit "suicide."

When you get depressed, or worry about what is happening in the next few years, remember that.

You know, frankly, that's the most inspiring thing I've heard in a long time... Thanks.

[porcupine]

Our old strategy has failed over and over again and yet peopel insist on repeating it. We need a new strategy. The Free State Project (http://www.freestateproject.org/)is that.

[Malakai0]

If you give up completely and just ignore whats going on, then you are as morally responsible for the atrocities committed in our names as the people who actively vote for it.

I do think we will simply collapse before we do too much more damage to the rest of the world (militarily). However our economic collapse will lead to worse times for the rest of the world too I'm sure.

[mordechai]

I didn't write that to depress you or anyone else, patriot.

I try to be a realist.

I could've said, "Everything will be alright. We can still make it without having to pay a price for the mistakes of the past. The current generation won't have to pull this country out, or watch it die, because Barack/Hillary/McCain/ whatever will do the right thing. Or, you know, we're strong enough to make it dispite the problems of any one leader."

Problem is, it would be a lie in terms of my perspective. I didn't know if Paul could "fix it." But I know his answers were well, "something" like we would have done in the 19th century when our politicians still to some degree cared about this country. They could havee worked. And Paul as a person cared about this country, and us having a viable future as free men and women.

I have to throw out what I believe after study of the facts. Survey says, "We are screwed."

But, the hope we do have is in the meetup groups, and the fact that dispite what has happened, many have "America" alive in their hearts. They really care about our national sovreignty, and freedom, independence, liberty, and the Constitution.

We can make it, but we have to acknowlege that the next few years (atleast) will be rough, and that the mission we have to go on here will not be easy.

[constituent]

Unfortunately, "my friends", the American sheeple have spoken, and they are craving for more debt, wars, and inflation. As long as Obama can raise their self-esteem on CNN with 3rd grade chants and the like, I guess we'll be okay, huh?



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