McCain HAS NOT WON THE NOMINATION!

[satchelmcqueen]

This needs to be a sticky. McCain has not won the nomination. This wont be decided until September. What the MSM is reporting is just "the best case senario". Most of the delegates can vote for anyone they want in September. Dont get discouraged. Ron Paul now has 7 months to campaing against McWar and do you honestly belive he will lose that battle. The MSM is not telling the whole truth in the delegate process. This is not over until September. Keep supporting Ron Paul and spread his name and message like never before. We have helped him beat 10 other guys now to date...now its just 1 to go. Keep fighting for him!

I repeat, the delegates ARE NOT VOTING until SEPTEMBER.

[Jasko]

All I heard on news stations are that McCain has officially won the GOP.

smh.

I hate the MSM.

[AJ Antimony]

This needs to be a sticky. McCain has not won the nomination. This wont be decided until September. What the MSM is reporting is just "the best case senario". Most of the delegates can vote for anyone they want in September. Dont get discouraged. Ron Paul now has 7 months to campaing against McWar and do you honestly belive he will lose that battle. The MSM is not telling the whole truth in the delegate process. This is not over until September. Keep supporting Ron Paul and spread his name and message like never before. We have helped him beat 10 other guys now to date...now its just 1 to go. Keep fighting for him!

I repeat, the delegates ARE NOT VOTING until SEPTEMBER.

I've been saying this all along yet nobody seems to realize it. The CONVENTION picks the nominee not the MSM numbers.

[kaleidoscope eyes]

OK, how many delegates does McCain have that ABSOLUTELY belong to him?
anyone know?

[UtahApocalypse]

The numbers reported are the pledged delegates. They are BOUND to vote for the person who wins the popular vote. That has been McCain. the only way the Ron Paul delegates can vote for RP would have been a brokered convention which now will not happen. It is over as far as winning the GOP. Now we must start getting TONS of money for the Indy run.

[Jasko]

now this jackass on abc just said that McCain is going to Washington tomorrow to meet with Bush and Bush will officially endorse McCain as the Republican nominee

[wgadget]

From the Daily Paul:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/40898#comments

[Zera]

The numbers reported are the pledged delegates. They are BOUND to vote for the person who wins the popular vote. That has been McCain. the only way the Ron Paul delegates can vote for RP would have been a brokered convention which now will not happen. It is over as far as winning the GOP. Now we must start getting TONS of money for the Indy run.

Wrong.

If enough Paul supporters go to their state convention, with a 2/3 vote, they can make all of their state's delegates unbound.

[humanic]

OK, how many delegates does McCain have that ABSOLUTELY belong to him?
anyone know?

Technically zero I think. Many if not all states allow you to revise their rules and unbind all delegates, and even if this doesn't happen I don't think anyone is LEGALLY forced to vote for McCain. Am I right about this?

[Paulitician]

I think he has... but that's just me.

[Zeeder]

You are correct. The delegates haven't even been selected yet.

It is too bad that a vocal part of this board have either given up, or don't understand the difference between the reported delegates won...........and the actual people that show up at the convention.

If Ron Paul supporters(or even mccain hating conservatives) are a significant number of ACTUAL delegates, paul's campaign is a success. Mccain being booed by his own party at the convention would be worth it alone.

We won't know until the state conventions. We count the ACTUAL delegates, then determine what to do. Until then talking about 3rd party runs is just stupid, since THIS is what Ron paul's plan is.

[V3n]

The MSM is acting like every state is winner-takes-all, that is not true, there are many states where delegates are chosen by county - and McCain did not win EVERY county in every state that he "won".

[Cinderella]

thank u for this thread satchel....all delegates need to make sure they show up to their convention!!!!

bump for positivity!!!!!!

[Zera]

This is what I have heard, but I do not know how true it is.

Even the bound delegates can vote for who they want. The only problem would be that they would get into some trouble with their state GOP.

But who would care about that anyway? Anyway, as I said, I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is... Holy shit.

[molly_pitcher]

http://www.elite-otaku.net/natalie/mininavi/includes/images/riceballs/Grin.png

[kaleidoscope eyes]

Technically zero I think. Many if not all states allow you to revise their rules and unbind all delegates, and even if this doesn't happen I don't think anyone is LEGALLY forced to vote for McCain. Am I right about this?

hmmmmmm, very interesting indeed if correct. It sucks that the MSM is allowed to report this thing is concretely sewn up. I'm new to being interested in politics, so, I'm starting to understand how it works, but it's still so convoluted and seems so arbitrary still. Are they making this whole process more complicated than it has to be?

[american.swan]

Wrong.

If enough Paul supporters go to their state convention, with a 2/3 vote, they can make all of their state's delegates unbound.

AMEN!!!!

[syborius]

From the Daily Paul:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/40898#comments

BUmp for truth...We need to keep on bumping this thread. We still have a chance. He might not get enough bound delegates. So it's important we fight on and make sure he doesn't. maybe now with Huckabee out we can pick up more votes.

[ButchHowdy]

"morally bound"

If I am chosen as a delegate, I intend to use the same verbal clarity as written in H.R. 1955

[satchelmcqueen]

This is what I have heard, but I do not know how true it is.

Even the bound delegates can vote for who they want. The only problem would be that they would get into some trouble with their state GOP.

But who would care about that anyway? Anyway, as I said, I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is... Holy shit.

Ive also read this, but didnt know how true it may be. either way if more Paul delegates show up, then he has won just that easy.

[wgadget]

This is what I have heard, but I do not know how true it is.

Even the bound delegates can vote for who they want. The only problem would be that they would get into some trouble with their state GOP.

But who would care about that anyway? Anyway, as I said, I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is... Holy shit.

If they pass some resolutions like the people in Texas are passing (see other threads), the delegates should get in trouble if they DO vote for McInsane.

[faisal]

..

[satchelmcqueen]

the delegates are locked onto their candidate! Don't you guys know anything? McCain's delegates are for McCain! They can only change their minds in a Brokered Convention, which is over since McCain won an hour ago!

wrong. as stated before, he hasnt won anything.

[puppetmaster]

thank u for this thread satchel....all delegates need to make sure they show up to their convention!!!!

bump for positivity!!!!!!

Thats right, we will never quit, at least the ones who really care and not just think that life has dealt them a bad hand.

[V3n]

Are they counting Romney's delegates as McCain's?

[Zera]

bump for never giving up hope

[Cinderella]

bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im in this to win this!!!

[georgiaboy]

bump.
it is not over by far.
I too am new to this process of delegate selection for the national convention, and boundness of delegates. I've only recently discovered that each state GOP has their own rules for how their delegates are selected/elected, and how they are bound to vote. It is much more complicated than the media portrays.
We have our marching orders from Ron himself, which until they change, remain as: continue canvassing, continue getting as many primary votes and delegates to the national convention as possible.
This is far from over.
Get to work.

[EastWindRain]

The numbers reported are the pledged delegates. They are BOUND to vote for the person who wins the popular vote. That has been McCain. the only way the Ron Paul delegates can vote for RP would have been a brokered convention which now will not happen. It is over as far as winning the GOP. Now we must start getting TONS of money for the Indy run.

This is the conclusion that my thinking leads me to as well.

Let's see: (Correct me if I am wrong) These are now our choices:

1. The R.P. movement fights on to further the message even though R.P. is mathematically eliminated. This would be a good idea for R.P. 2012 if R.P. runs then.
2. Patriots who wish to continue the good fight can do the above by becoming (Ron Paul type) delegates, (it also changes the GOP slowly from within) but can also support Ron Paul's 3rd party run
3. America and the world sees how pathetic the two choices for the Presidency are, (Hillary or Obama and McCain) and are honestly open and begging for a respectable 3rd party Candidate which will be Ron Paul.

Sure it will be an uphill battle raising funds and getting TV exposure, but we have to try. The people will be open minded for a third voice. Now is our chance. Ron Paul should establish an Exploratory Committee for The Constitution Party.

The people need hope. They don't see any hope now with the GOP. If we don't capture the remaining Ron Paul momentum the movement will die, as it is now almost dead. (The number of members on this forum is WAY down)

We have 8 months to convince the U.S. citizens to vote for Ron Paul. We should get to work now and create the ultimate Ron Paul DVD and somehow give them away to every household in America.

This is where my thinking is leading me.

Edit: How many households are there in America? I would guess 300 Million divided by 4 people per house = 75 000 000 homes.

So we need 75 Million DVD's @ $1 / DVD = $75 Million Dollars we need to raise.
So 75 000 000 / 200 000 Ron Paul supporters = $ 375 contribution each for the 3rd party money bomb. This is obtainable. Then we just need to hand the DVD's out. (Again the DVD must be superb)

[puppetmaster]

bump.
it is not over by far.
I too am new to this process of delegate selection for the national convention, and boundness of delegates. I've only recently discovered that each state GOP has their own rules for how their delegates are selected/elected, and how they are bound to vote. It is much more complicated than the media portrays.
We have our marching orders from Ron himself, which until they change, remain as: continue canvassing, continue getting as many primary votes and delegates to the national convention as possible.
This is far from over.
Get to work.

seconded!!

[Zera]

This is the conclusion that my thinking leads me to as well.

Let's see: (Correct me if I am wrong) These are now our choices:

1. The R.P. movement fights on to further the message even though R.P. is mathematically eliminated. This would be a good idea for R.P. 2012 if R.P. runs then.
2. Patriots who wish to continue the good fight can do the above by becoming (Ron Paul type) delegates, (it also changes the GOP slowly from within) but can also support Ron Paul's 3rd party run
3. America and the world sees how pathetic the two choices for the Presidency are, (Hillary or Obama and McCain) and are honestly open and begging for a respectable 3rd party Candidate which will be Ron Paul.

Sure it will be an uphill battle raising funds and getting TV exposure, but we have to try. The people will be open minded for a third voice. Now is our chance. Ron Paul should establish an Exploratory Committee for The Constitution Party.

The people need hope. They don't see any hope now with the GOP. If we don't capture the remaining Ron Paul momentum the movement will die, as it is now almost dead. (The number of members on this forum is WAY down)

We have 8 months to convince the U.S. citizens to vote for Ron Paul. We should get to work now and create the ultimate Ron Paul DVD and somehow give them away to every voter in America.

This is where my thinking is leading me.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong! Paul has a 999999% better chance of winning if he stays with the GOP until the convention. Third party will get him nowhere. I'll bet you anything on it.

[syborius]

bump

[kyleAF]

OK, how many delegates does McCain have that ABSOLUTELY belong to him?
anyone know?

none at all

Seriously. Even the pledged delegates are free to vote the way they please. They'll just get admonished by their local GOP. Nothing more.

[Vet_from_cali]

bump.
it is not over by far.
I too am new to this process of delegate selection for the national convention, and boundness of delegates. I've only recently discovered that each state GOP has their own rules for how their delegates are selected/elected, and how they are bound to vote. It is much more complicated than the media portrays.
We have our marching orders from Ron himself, which until they change, remain as: continue canvassing, continue getting as many primary votes and delegates to the national convention as possible.
This is far from over.
Get to work.

your ignorance astounds me, maybe you havent been around for the past 3 months?
we have a hell of a hard time getting 10% in a state... how do you think we can pull the majority of delegates if we are pulling these kinda of numbers? i think the last time i checked we got 5% of the vote in texas.. not trying to be a troll or anything im just being realistic here. we've done great funding but as far as reaching to the general public we are doing horribly.. the person who said we would be in iraq for 100 years, in a country that 60-70% oppose the same war is WINNING. RP needs to bust out with something freaking AMAZING that would not only wake up some delegates but the general public IE. SHEEPS!!! really dont see your point of saying its far from over.. the establishment won this battle, but not the war IMO. :rolleyes:

[Cinderella]

[QUOTE=EastWindRain;1325024]America and the world sees how pathetic the two choices for the Presidency are, (Hillary or Obama and McCain) and are honestly open and begging for a respectable 3rd party Candidate which will be Ron Paul. QUOTE]


america will not see how pathetic obaba or hitlery are....they are blinded by obamas satanical "charm" and hitlerys bill clinton back bone...


if ron paul does not get the republican nom expect to see obama or hitlery winning....in which case we will all be ubject to mandatory service....which will be needed now that we will probably be going to war with venezuela and ecuador.....

[Paulitician]

not trying to be a troll or anything
Troll!

;)

[VRP08]

:DI like this thread!

[kyleAF]

Technically zero I think. Many if not all states allow you to revise their rules and unbind all delegates, and even if this doesn't happen I don't think anyone is LEGALLY forced to vote for McCain. Am I right about this?

Yes. Absolutely right.

We can go the route of trying to unbind delegates, but that will be difficult.

We can also go to the Convention and move to suspend the rules outright, but that requires a majority of delegates from 5 separate states... maybe possible, but not necessarily easy.

OR we can all just get there, and then vote against our pledge. Nothing is illegal about it at all.

I vote for option 3 myself, while trying for options 1 and 2 in the meantime.

[kyleAF]

The numbers reported are the pledged delegates. They are BOUND to vote for the person who wins the popular vote. That has been McCain. the only way the Ron Paul delegates can vote for RP would have been a brokered convention which now will not happen. It is over as far as winning the GOP. Now we must start getting TONS of money for the Indy run.

You are incorrect.

The brokered convention is meaningless.

All we have to do is ignore the pledge.

Stop spreading this misinformation.

Read the GOP's convention rules.

EDIT: An indy run is useless! really, it's USELESS. Stop promoting it, please.

[Vet_from_cali]

Troll!

;)

lol

[Vet_from_cali]

[QUOTE=EastWindRain;1325024]America and the world sees how pathetic the two choices for the Presidency are, (Hillary or Obama and McCain) and are honestly open and begging for a respectable 3rd party Candidate which will be Ron Paul. QUOTE]


america will not see how pathetic obaba or hitlery are....they are blinded by obamas satanical "charm" and hitlerys bill clinton back bone...


if ron paul does not get the republican nom expect to see obama or hitlery winning....in which case we will all be ubject to mandatory service....which will be needed now that we will probably be going to war with venezuela and ecuador.....

has RP even mentioned a 3rd party run yet? just curious.

[Zera]

[QUOTE=Cinderella;1325079]

has RP even mentioned a 3rd party run yet? just curious.

Actually, he did and ruled it out.

[Vet_from_cali]

[QUOTE=Vet_from_cali;1325107]

Actually, he did and ruled it out.

ORLY!?

and when was this?

[DFF]

If Ron Paul believed McCain had secured the nomination; he would NOT OK Huckabee being X'd off from his website.

[EastWindRain]

Ron Paul has stated many times that he does not intend to run 3rd party. However he didn't really entirely rule it out. And if enough of us begged him to run 3rd party, he would probably do it. But there would probably have to be about at least 50 000 people begging him to run 3rd party in order for Ron Paul to agree to this tactic.


Edit: How many households are there in America? I would guess 300 Million divided by 4 people per house = 75 000 000 homes.

So we need 75 Million DVD's @ $1 / DVD = $75 Million Dollars we need to raise.
So 75 000 000 / 200 000 Ron Paul supporters = a $ 375 dollar contribution each for the 3rd party money bomb. This is obtainable. Then we just need to hand the DVD's out. (Again the DVD must be superb)

$375 x 200 000 supporters = $75 million dollars in advertising in the form of DVD's. One DVD for each American household. (Plus we would take in some donations from the home owners for future projects.)

[xCakex]

Bump.

[Vet_from_cali]

Ron Paul has stated many times that he does not intend to run 3rd party. However he didn't really entirely rule it out. And if enough of us begged him to run 3rd party, he would probably do it. But there would probably have to be about at least 50 000 people begging him to run 3rd party in order for Ron Paul to agree to this tactic.


Edit: How many households are there in America? I would guess 300 Million divided by 4 people per house = 75 000 000 homes.

So we need 75 Million DVD's @ $1 / DVD = $75 Million Dollars we need to raise.
So 75 000 000 / 200 000 Ron Paul supporters = a $ 375 dollar contribution each for the 3rd party money bomb. This is obtainable. Then we just need to hand the DVD's out. (Again the DVD must be superb)

$375 x 200 000 supporters = $75 million dollars in advertising in the form of DVD's. One DVD for each American household. (Plus we would take in some donations from the home owners for future projects.)

the fu** u smoking? you rly think people are going to pop a political dvd in their player? i mean didn't tom cruises political movie fail at the box office? a RP dvd !? you must be insane if you think that is going to do anything to the general public, you need to recognize that most people dont even know who the hell RP is still....i told most of my family members who i voted for and they said "who?". THE GENERAL PUBLIC AS WELL AS VOTERS NEED A FUCKIN WAKEUP CALL FROM RONPAUL HIMSELF, HE NEEDS TO MAKE A SPEECH THAT WOULD MAKE THEIR EYES POP OUT OF THEIR SOCKETS!!

sry for my french :rolleyes:


















im still laughing at you thinking people would actually watch a ron paul DVD lol..... crazyness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
THOSE PEOPLE WOULD SAY "HMM THIS WILL MAKE FOR A NICE COASTER FOR MY DRINK"

[american.swan]

You are incorrect.

The brokered convention is meaningless.

All we have to do is ignore the pledge.

Stop spreading this misinformation.

Read the GOP's convention rules.

EDIT: An indy run is useless! really, it's USELESS. Stop promoting it, please.

Where would that GOP national convention rule book be? If anything we all need to read it...and win this darn thing.

[Doktor_Jeep]

Ah but the MSM says he won.

This makes supporting Ron Paul only that much more revolutionary. It's only more fun to stick it in their faces.

Ron Paul is the president, as far as I am concerned. Surely they send SWAT teams after competing currency, lending to the power it has to bring down the leviathan state. So let them go on the attack for competing presidency.

[EastWindRain]

the fu** u smoking? you rly think people are going to pop a political dvd in their player? i mean didn't tom cruises political movie fail at the box office? a RP dvd !? you must be insane if you think that is going to do anything to the general public, you need to recognize that most people dont even know who the hell RP is still....i told most of my family members who i voted for and they said "who?". THE GENERAL PUBLIC AS WELL AS VOTERS NEED A FUCKIN WAKEUP CALL FROM RONPAUL HIMSELF, HE NEEDS TO MAKE A SPEECH THAT WOULD MAKE THEIR EYES POP OUT OF THEIR SOCKETS!!

sry for my french :rolleyes:

If the people can't be convinced by their friends, peers, family and community members to watch a Ron Paul DVD then it is hopeless. The main stream media will not promote Ron Paul.

All of us must convince those in our circle of friends to watch such a DVD. Then those who have watched it, convince people in their circle of friends to watch it, and so on and so on. People who care enough to vote would watch it if they were being pressured to do so by their peers.

Do you have a better idea or solution?

[wgadget]

Knock, knock...

Who’s there?

Ron.

Ron who?

Exactly.

[LukeNM]

Even this misrepresentation of the truth shows McLame has not won... It does not look like 1191 pledged to me...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=R

John McCain
Pledged: 1135
Unpledged RNC*: 70
Total: 1,205

[tpreitzel]

[QUOTE=Zera;1325110]

ORLY!?

and when was this?

A fairly recent interview had Ron spell it out CLEARLY! Someone will likely post a video of it here. I see absolutely no reason for him to change his position on the matter, but it might be possible. Go for it, but I think any supporters for a third party run are blowing in the wind. ;)

[Suzu]

I may be wrong, but it seems to me there are hundreds upon hundreds of delegates that *were* bound to Rommel and Huckaface and others, and all of these delegates are now "up for grabs". Why not go after them?

I agree, we need a national ad campaign immediately - and not just 30-second ads, either.

[atthegates]

god damn some of the people here are fucking dreaming. mccain has secured the gop nomination. it is over as far as getting the gop nomination is concerned.

[mtbaird5687]

So basically some people here would want delegates to go against the way the majority of the GOP voted and vote for Ron Paul instead?

That doesn't sound like democracy to me. What would ya'll think if the positions were flip flopped and McCain supporters were trying to get delegates to vote in ways they weren't intended to vote?

[Jamsie 567]

What happened to NADAR HAHAHA

I am still 100% for Ron Paul!

[BrettCates]

We Have Already Won. We Have Infiltrated Over 500 Delegates. Watch The Show And Watch The Revolution In September. Don't Sleep Until Ron Is In The White House.

[bcreps85]

So basically some people here would want delegates to go against the way the majority of the GOP voted and vote for Ron Paul instead?

That doesn't sound like democracy to me. What would ya'll think if the positions were flip flopped and McCain supporters were trying to get delegates to vote in ways they weren't intended to vote?

1. This country was not founded as a Democracy, get your head out of your ass. We were founded as a Federalist Republic, and we are meant to be loyal to our Constitution. When the "majority" decides to disavow our Constitution even though our leaders are sworn to it, then we can in good conscience undermine their authority. Our founding fathers suggested that we do so with guns, yet we have chosen to take a peaceful route.

2. Most people still don't know who Ron Paul is because of the MSM's vast distortion of truth, so nothing "democratically" decided can be relied upon. When you make your decisions based on lies, then your decisions become nothing but extensions of lies.

3. Vote fraud has been rampant. It is difficult to show to what extent, but there is no question that it was present, and always against us.

[StandTall]

1. This country was not founded as a Democracy, get your head out of your ass. We were founded as a Federalist Republic, and we are meant to be loyal to our Constitution. When the "majority" decides to disavow our Constitution even though our leaders are sworn to it, then we can in good conscience undermine their authority. Our founding fathers suggested that we do so with guns, yet we have chosen to take a peaceful route.

2. Most people still don't know who Ron Paul is because of the MSM's vast distortion of truth, so nothing "democratically" decided can be relied upon. When you make your decisions based on lies, then your decisions become nothing but extensions of lies.

well said and qft

[warispeace]

your ignorance astounds me, maybe you havent been around for the past 3 months?
we have a hell of a hard time getting 10% in a state... how do you think we can pull the majority of delegates if we are pulling these kinda of numbers? i think the last time i checked we got 5% of the vote in texas.. not trying to be a troll or anything im just being realistic here. we've done great funding but as far as reaching to the general public we are doing horribly.. the person who said we would be in iraq for 100 years, in a country that 60-70% oppose the same war is WINNING. RP needs to bust out with something freaking AMAZING that would not only wake up some delegates but the general public IE. SHEEPS!!! really dont see your point of saying its far from over.. the establishment won this battle, but not the war IMO. :rolleyes:
What needs to be revealed is that the "War on Terror" is a fraud. Would anyone vote for McWar if that were known by the masses? We need to stop propping up the biggest fraud in history. 9/11 was a lie and the War on Terror is a fraud. That's what needs to be told, IMO.

[warispeace]

If Ron Paul believed McCain had secured the nomination; he would NOT OK Huckabee being X'd off from his website.
Exactly. If he had zero chance, his website would not say "Now there are two." He would not stay in and waste his time and ours if there were no chance. Have faith. He knows what he's doing.

[newbitech]

This is the conclusion that my thinking leads me to as well.

Let's see: (Correct me if I am wrong) These are now our choices:

1. The R.P. movement fights on to further the message even though R.P. is mathematically eliminated. This would be a good idea for R.P. 2012 if R.P. runs then.
2. Patriots who wish to continue the good fight can do the above by becoming (Ron Paul type) delegates, (it also changes the GOP slowly from within) but can also support Ron Paul's 3rd party run
3. America and the world sees how pathetic the two choices for the Presidency are, (Hillary or Obama and McCain) and are honestly open and begging for a respectable 3rd party Candidate which will be Ron Paul.

Sure it will be an uphill battle raising funds and getting TV exposure, but we have to try. The people will be open minded for a third voice. Now is our chance. Ron Paul should establish an Exploratory Committee for The Constitution Party.

The people need hope. They don't see any hope now with the GOP. If we don't capture the remaining Ron Paul momentum the movement will die, as it is now almost dead. (The number of members on this forum is WAY down)

We have 8 months to convince the U.S. citizens to vote for Ron Paul. We should get to work now and create the ultimate Ron Paul DVD and somehow give them away to every household in America.

This is where my thinking is leading me.

Edit: How many households are there in America? I would guess 300 Million divided by 4 people per house = 75 000 000 homes.

So we need 75 Million DVD's @ $1 / DVD = $75 Million Dollars we need to raise.
So 75 000 000 / 200 000 Ron Paul supporters = $ 375 contribution each for the 3rd party money bomb. This is obtainable. Then we just need to hand the DVD's out. (Again the DVD must be superb)

my brother was asking me to do the math on this a few months back. it would be nice if it works. I am not trying to be a negative nancy, but at what point do we start sending out dvds to revolutionaries to teach them how to be prepared for what is coming down the pipe should Dr. Paul not win?

[warispeace]

the fu** u smoking? you rly think people are going to pop a political dvd in their player? i mean didn't tom cruises political movie fail at the box office? a RP dvd !? you must be insane if you think that is going to do anything to the general public, you need to recognize that most people dont even know who the hell RP is still....i told most of my family members who i voted for and they said "who?". THE GENERAL PUBLIC AS WELL AS VOTERS NEED A FUCKIN WAKEUP CALL FROM RONPAUL HIMSELF, HE NEEDS TO MAKE A SPEECH THAT WOULD MAKE THEIR EYES POP OUT OF THEIR SOCKETS!!

sry for my french :rolleyes:


















im still laughing at you thinking people would actually watch a ron paul DVD lol..... crazyness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
THOSE PEOPLE WOULD SAY "HMM THIS WILL MAKE FOR A NICE COASTER FOR MY DRINK"
Sorry, but you didn't even wake up your own family? After you voted, they still did not know who RP was? Wow! I have my whole family on board. I don't think my brother ever voted before, and he registered Republican just to vote for RP. My dad is 71 and I don't think he ever voted in a primary before, and he went out and voted for RP, and has donated money to both campaigns. My entire family, and all my friends, have heard nothing but RP from me for months. How could you not tell your family what's going down?

[warispeace]

1. This country was not founded as a Democracy, get your head out of your ass. We were founded as a Federalist Republic, and we are meant to be loyal to our Constitution. When the "majority" decides to disavow our Constitution even though our leaders are sworn to it, then we can in good conscience undermine their authority. Our founding fathers suggested that we do so with guns, yet we have chosen to take a peaceful route.

2. Most people still don't know who Ron Paul is because of the MSM's vast distortion of truth, so nothing "democratically" decided can be relied upon. When you make your decisions based on lies, then your decisions become nothing but extensions of lies.

3. Vote fraud has been rampant. It is difficult to show to what extent, but there is no question that it was present, and always against us.
Exactly. So anything our delegates do, that is not a violation of the law, to get RP nominated, is fair game, IMO. RP supporters are the ones who were motivated to become the delegates. That's how the system works. If there's a big surprise at the convention, I can't wait to see the MSM choke on it, after what they've put RP through. I wanted to cry so many times in the last few months, at how they treated Ron. They deserve to eat crow! And go to jail, for that matter. They are complicit in the crimes of this administration, as well as responsible for corrupting the election process for choosing the next President. They all deserve whatever they get, including McWarmonger.

[doronster195]

I don't know if this was mentioned in these here 7 pages, but, do you people honestly think that the majority of delegates at the RNC are going to go against the popular vote and vote Ron Paul. I highly doubt that. Don't get me wrong, though, that would be a miraculous occasion. However, even then, do you think Ron Paul could take on Obama? There will be smears coming from every news source; racist, isolationist, etc. Whereas Obama already has massive support around the country. Could Ron Paul gain enough support in a month from September to November?

[bcreps85]

I don't know if this was mentioned in these here 7 pages, but, do you people honestly think that the majority of delegates at the RNC are going to go against the popular vote and vote Ron Paul. I highly doubt that. Don't get me wrong, though, that would be a miraculous occasion. However, even then, do you think Ron Paul could take on Obama? There will be smears coming from every news source; racist, isolationist, etc. Whereas Obama already has massive support around the country. Could Ron Paul gain enough support in a month from September to November?

Could Ron Paul take Obama? Possibly. Right now, hell no, but neither can McCain. The difference is that Ron Paul would own Obama in a debate. McCain would fold.

Do I think that most delegates will vote against McCain? IF we somehow get a majority that is loyal to RP, then hell yes. The rules do not forbid it, so why would someone loyal to Ron Paul not vote for him? With the way our elections are run nowadays, there is no shame in voting against the candidate that was picked by the MSM.

[I Am Weasel]

The big question I have is, will we get to see that all so glorious debate with Ron Paul Obama and Clinton?

[doronster195]

I envision that when nomination time comes all the RP-loyal delegates will vote for RP (however many that may be, I doubt its more than 30% though), the rest will vote for McCain in order to "support the party" or whatever BS reason the MSM gives you to make sure you support the likely nominee. Or maybe, we will see more vote fraud? Is that possible at a convention? What about other candidates, I believe you can nominate other candidates other than RP and McCain, right?
But at this point I think there is very little we can do (regarding his Presidential run), so we should just sit back and watch the 3 crappiest candidates duel it out. I'm excited for September, but I am pessimistic. However, I think it's a great feeling when you assume the worst and get the best, so if he indeed gets the nomination through an act of God (or flying spaghetti monster), then I will probably drive around my area with a megaphone shouting "RP has won the nomination" and rub it in everyone's face. Then I will DVR MSM news while playing the world's saddest song on my violin for them.

[speciallyblend]

yep now onto the convention and dont forgot if the republican party doesnt nominate ron paul. We can write him in or vote for anybody but a republican..


The only loyalty i have to the republican party is ron pauls message and the republican platform,after that we vote for who is the best. the gop ignored and encouraged the media blackout,let the gop know LOUD AND CLEAR WHO WE SUPPORT,of course unless you plan on voting for mccain ,NOT


RON PAUL 2008 ,I hope he runs independent , my donations are waiting. If not we have 4 yrs tobuild the party or leave the old party ,the choice is up to the gop...


for all the naysayers on the independent run, I GET IT BUILD within the republican,but at some point you have to understand the republican party isnt the republican party anymore and if we dont take the party over ,IT WILL BE TIME TO MOVE ON,of course unless you plan on voting for a Hillary Republican aka mccain

RON PAUL written in STONE

CALL THE GOP, CALL ALL REPUBLICANS,IF WE DONT STAND UP AND BE HEARD,then i assure you the goal of the republican party is to silence you and the republican message, the fact the old party is pushing mccain shows you the republican party isnt republican anymore.

If you want to give up after the convention ,then waste your vote on a hillary republican. If you want to stand for freedom,then the time is now to plan a secondary plan ,unless you plan on rolling over and just sitting back as they force feed you this mccain crap. STAND UP NOW CALL YOUR GOP LOCAL/STATE /NATIONAL. The Republican Party FEARS their own platform, they are ignoring their own platform. They fear we wont vote for Mccain.
ITS TIME TO SHOW THEM THE FEAR AND REALITY,anything less is a vote for mccain.

RON PAUL 2008 do you want a REPUBLICAN or do you want a hillary republican(mccain )

I'll TAKE A REAL REPUBLICAN RON PAUL 2008

NOW GET TO WORK, eventually we either take back the republican party or lwe leave in mass any other option is a pipe dream

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Dary]

Knock, knock...

Who’s there?

Ron.

Ron who?

Exactly.


Now that's funny. Where have I heard it before?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=42737#post42737

[Bradley in DC]

Technically zero I think. Many if not all states allow you to revise their rules and unbind all delegates, and even if this doesn't happen I don't think anyone is LEGALLY forced to vote for McCain. Am I right about this?

No, that's wrong.

[mcgraw_wv]

Guys, CNN reports it because there are more than 1191 delegates that have pledged to vote for McCain at the convention...

At every step we have pushed results away and said wait for this next thing, then when it failed, we say wait for this, and then that failed... It's time to say it... the campaign failed. the Candidate failed to communicate his message effectively.

But he seeded the country with people who like his message, and a new generation of RPer's that can speak at a debate, and that can effectively explain the issues of the day to the layman will emerge...

And that is where the campaign succeeds. RP is not presidential, hes whinny, and all over the place with issues, and is very broken recordish... however people like Murray Sabrin takes the fiscal ideals to another level with personable attributes that can be taken to our government.

We need to find more like him, RP is the grandfather of this movement, we need to find the electable ones and push them with our money.

[Bradley in DC]

Yes. Absolutely right.

We can go the route of trying to unbind delegates, but that will be difficult.

We can also go to the Convention and move to suspend the rules outright, but that requires a majority of delegates from 5 separate states... maybe possible, but not necessarily easy.

OR we can all just get there, and then vote against our pledge. Nothing is illegal about it at all.

I vote for option 3 myself, while trying for options 1 and 2 in the meantime.

No, no, no. In most states that bind delegates (most states) it is by state election law. Despite embarrassing misinformation by the clueless official campaign, the convention delegates have no authority to "unbind" themselves (they can be "released" by the candidate to whom they are pledged--I don't think "unbind" is even a term here).

It takes a majority of delegates from one state, seconded by a majority of delegates from five ADDITIONAL states to suspend the rules.

Yes, if one is bound, it is not only illegal, it isn't going to happen. In most states, the McCain delegates to convention were chosen by his campaign and are NOT a fifth column of Paul supporters.

[Bradley in DC]

none at all

Seriously. Even the pledged delegates are free to vote the way they please. They'll just get admonished by their local GOP. Nothing more.

Could you please back up this claim and elaborate--or is it just wishful thinking? Please cite the rules in the states to which you refer. If you don't know what you're talking about, please stop spreading misinformation.

[Bradley in DC]

Wrong.

If enough Paul supporters go to their state convention, with a 2/3 vote, they can make all of their state's delegates unbound.

Rules on how to decide delegates to the national convention vary greatly by state. In straight primary states we don't even have state conventions. While what you say may be right in your state, it is clearly untrue as a general principle. Again, please cite the governing authorities for your claim.

[speciallyblend]

well i know this the republican party is deead in the water in 2008.thank the gop for that

[Bradley in DC]

Where would that GOP national convention rule book be? If anything we all need to read it...and win this darn thing.

I explain a lot of it here with links to the rules:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104384

[Bradley in DC]

From the Daily Paul:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/40898#comments

"As of today, McCain has 874 bound or pledged delegates and 33 unbound or unpledged delegates. He needs 1,191 BOUND delegates for the nomination."

That is not true. One can get the nomination by the votes of bound and unbound delegates.

The broader point is wrong even if the author doesn't understand the rules: It is possible that McCain's unbound delegates could vote for someone else (but more probable that they would vote for him).

[Bradley in DC]

I may be wrong, but it seems to me there are hundreds upon hundreds of delegates that *were* bound to Rommel and Huckaface and others, and all of these delegates are now "up for grabs". Why not go after them?

I agree, we need a national ad campaign immediately - and not just 30-second ads, either.

Romney did "release" his delegates with his urging them to vote for McCain, but yes, now that they are released they are free to vote for anyone. I don't know about Huckabee's delegates.

[Bradley in DC]

I envision that when nomination time comes all the RP-loyal delegates will vote for RP (however many that may be, I doubt its more than 30% though)

At this point (and may states still to go!), Dr. Paul does not qualify to be nominated at the convention and couldn't get any votes. We need all of our supporters in the upcoming voting states to keep up the fight--it's a two man race now.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104384

[wv@SC]

It doesn't matter to me whether or not this country has decided to make McCain the Republican nominee, or the media selected the Republican nominee for us, or that there is widespread voter fraud.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR MCCAIN, OBAMA, OR CLINTON IN THE GENERAL ELECTION!

If it's possible to proselytize delegates and sway the convention in favor of Ron Paul, all well and good. It doesn't matter to me, though.

IT'S TIME TO DO WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD. We should all make sure that our votes will be legally counted as valid write-ins for Ron Paul. We have 8 months to make sure our state election commissions have their ducks in a row with this.

I WILL NOT ALLOW THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, AS DUPED AS THEY ARE, TO DECIDE FOR ME WHOM I WILL VOTE FOR IN NOVEMBER!

WHO IS WITH ME IN THIS?????

[bucfish]

Not really most states have bound delegates only if he wins 50% of the vote. All states rules are different. But despite what the MSM reports a nominee is not truly selected until the National Convention. And anything can happen between now and September especially with someone involved in so many scandals and in Bad Health such as McCain.

[jointhefightforfreedom]

Hey bradley!!
I have had some issues with you arguing about the delegate process in other messages!

Well i would like to inform you i was right and i am now officially a delegate and precinct secretary

[TC95]

Now we must start getting TONS of money for the Indy run.

Nope. Not gonna happen. If you're saving your money for an Indy run, you may as well go spend it on something else if you're not going to give it to the present campaign because an Indy run will. not. happen.

[jab]

WHO IS WITH ME IN THIS?????

I am!! How could I possibly sleep at night after voting for Hillary, Obama, or McCrazy?? Never happen.. A write-in it will be; RP all the way.

[georgiaboy]

your ignorance astounds me, maybe you havent been around for the past 3 months?
we have a hell of a hard time getting 10% in a state... how do you think we can pull the majority of delegates if we are pulling these kinda of numbers? i think the last time i checked we got 5% of the vote in texas.. not trying to be a troll or anything im just being realistic here. we've done great funding but as far as reaching to the general public we are doing horribly.. the person who said we would be in iraq for 100 years, in a country that 60-70% oppose the same war is WINNING. RP needs to bust out with something freaking AMAZING that would not only wake up some delegates but the general public IE. SHEEPS!!! really dont see your point of saying its far from over.. the establishment won this battle, but not the war IMO. :rolleyes:

I agree that breaking out would be nice, but it is not necessary for victory.
I understand yours and others call for realism, in that many indicators point to McCain's eventual nomination. However, ignorance not withstanding, I will stand by my statement that this is not over by far. We're down 50-0 in the third quarter, with one quarter left to play. What shall we do now? I guess your team would cut & run. My team would not.
This is not over by far.
McCain's nomination is absolutely, positively, not sealed at this point, and anyone who believes that is absolutely incorrect.
Delegate selection and their associated binding to a candidate are very different processes from primary voting. Each state has its own rules. Have you read yours? There are many threads that discuss this.
Ron Paul advocates have proven themselves nothing if not motivated to act. If our motivation will carry forward into the remaining primaries, the states' national delegate selection processes and beyond, the presumed outcome can in fact be changed and Ron Paul can secure the nomination.
Find out the delegate selection process in your state and get involved.
Become a delegate to the national convention or vote for RP'ers to become those national delegates.
At national, vote how you're obligated (or not, as you choose - check your state laws for penalties) until you're legally able to vote your conscience.
Ron Paul wins the nomination.
This is not over by far.
Get to work.

georgiaboy

[Liberty_is_NORML]

You guys are living in a freaking dream land.

There is ZERO realistic chance of Paul winning the nomination.

Spread the message of liberty instead of wasting your time trying to convince us that Ron still has a chance.

Damn, guys...

[sadunkal]

Spread the message of liberty instead of wasting your time trying to convince us that Ron still has a chance.

Damn, guys...

If the message is spread a lot more efficiently, then he still has a chance.

People have to explode with enthusiasm, we need to show how much we care about Ron Paul winning, then they will begin to wonder why we care so much, and that's the key.

No other candidate has supporters with so much passion and the world needs so see this. This isn't going to happen in internet.
The hope we lose returns us as energy, and we can spread that energy if we want.
It's only about the truth: I doubt that anyone who sees "Freedom to Fascism" and "The Corporation" in combination with John Perkins' confessions can support any other than Ron Paul (Add "Outfoxed" and "Power of Nightmares" to that list for McCain supporters).
Simply by giving your neighbours a cd with the information or just by inviting them over can make a huge change if every Ron Paul supporter does it.
Inform frenzy!

If McCain becomes the president we have soo much to lose,
If Ron Paul becomes the president we have sooo much to win.
It's not just "we" it's also "they" but they don't know it.
It's the whole world in fact, whole planet, every species on it.

But the point is, the difference will be so extremely huge that it's worth making almost every sacrifice, even if it costs your iPod and your comfort.

[Sevryn45]

McCain wrapped it up last night, stop with this conspiracy shit. Ron Paul has not won a state NOT 1, and you need to win 5 states to even qualify as a nominee.
Ron Paul has less the 50 pledged delegates, you conspiracy theorists seriously believe that the 50 delgates paul has will overtake Mcain's 1200+. There is no brokered convention, Huckabbe lost and got squashed and could not stop Mccain from getting to the magic # of delegates.

[speciallyblend]

Nope. Not gonna happen. If you're saving your money for an Indy run, you may as well go spend it on something else if you're not going to give it to the present campaign because an Indy run will. not. happen.

my money will go to ron paul once he has a solid plan for after the convention. he needs to speak up asap,but if he isnt planning on running in a general election,then ill plan to pay my debt before i send it off. Ron Paul is my write in candidate but if he is going to adandon his message over a lil party loyalty.when the republiocan party has done everything possible to keep the true republican message down then so be it.

I will donate more money once we get some clarification. i see no point in pouring more of my hard earned money ,unless he runs in the general election. I'm already a delegate. we dont need to send more money . We are in the delegate process ,if people are not involved already in the republican primary then they will not be involved. My vote in general is already ron paul.
We need to hold the gops feet to the fire NOW.they showed no mercy on ron paul.So we show no mercy to the republican party when they cant even follow their own platform.

[clintontj72]

McCain wrapped it up last night, stop with this conspiracy shit. Ron Paul has not won a state NOT 1, and you need to win 5 states to even qualify as a nominee.
Ron Paul has less the 50 pledged delegates, you conspiracy theorists seriously believe that the 50 delgates paul has will overtake Mcain's 1200+. There is no brokered convention, Huckabbe lost and got squashed and could not stop Mccain from getting to the magic # of delegates.

You DO NOT need to win 5 states to qualify as a nominee. You must get the majority of delegate votes from 5 states to be voted on as a nominee. If McCain were not to pick up the nomination in the first round and RP delegates become unbound(a bunch of states unbind after 1 round of balloting) then RP could theoretically pull in one or more state delegate majorities and it could go to a third round unlocking more.

However, you are correct in saying that this is a very slim chance it seems...but some of us like to ponder and have a little hope.

RULE NO. 40

Nominations

(a) In making the nominations for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States and voting thereon, the roll of the states shall be called separately in each case; provided, however, that if there is only one candidate for nomination for Vice President of the United States who has demonstrated the support required by paragraph (b) of this rule, a motion to nominate for such office by acclamation shall be in order and no calling of the roll with respect to such office shall be required.

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

(c) The total time of the nominating speech and seconding speeches for any candidate for nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States shall not exceed fifteen (15) minutes.

(d) When at the close of a roll call any candidate for nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States has received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention, the chairman of the convention shall declare that the candidate has been nominated.

(e) If no candidate shall have received such majority, the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of the states be called again and shall repeat the calling of the roll until a candidate shall have received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention.

(f) For the 2004 Republican National Convention, notwithstanding any other provision of these rules or any Rule of the House of Representatives, it shall be in the discretion of the Chair to suspend the roll call conducted to nominate the candidate for President of the United States at any time in order to conduct other Convention business under the established order of business.

[Sevryn45]

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.



You made my point for me,

Nominee needs at least 5 states, McCain won vast majority of them; how many did Ron Paul win? :rolleyes:

ZERO

[Shaun]

Anyone take me on my standing bet?
I have bet ANYONE HERE on this forum $1,000 at 100-1 odds that McStupid is the GOP nominee.
Why? To shut the morons up here UP about RP winning the nomination.
Talk about stupid and delusional......
Mercifully he won his congressional seat back so now at least HE will get back to some sensible work.
What about you Kool Aiders?

[jason43]

I wish Paul would just come out and say what the plan is.

All this talk reminds me of billionaire supporters, secret plans gone by, and we're going to win New Hampshire in a landslide.

Most of it has been created by us as a way to justify what has happened. We need to get to work on congress, or draft another third party candidate.

[Sevryn45]

RP is done, he was done a long time ago; he does not have the support needed and the primeries proved it. Hell RP got squashed in Texas and that's his home state.

He won ZERO states, and McCain clinched the nomination last night and Huckabee could not stop him.... what does that tell you people? THERE WILL BE NO BROKERED CONVENTION, it's over.

People who think that RP will win the nomination now when he goes to the convention are delusional, seriously he has less then 50 delegates thats pathetic considering he spent well over $30 million.

[Melissa]

You made my point for me,

Nominee needs at least 5 states, McCain won vast majority of them; how many did Ron Paul win? :rolleyes:

ZERO

And Garfield was not even a nominee and the next day won it, I really think those of you that say it is over have been watching 2 much tv turn it off and realize who has the power--the people at the convention --and who are they --some of us are working on them being us while the rest of you bitch. So for those becoming delegates keep up the fight and the rest of you stay tuned to the tv we will let you know how it turns out

[Sevryn45]

the people at the convention --and who are they --some of us are working on them being us while the rest of you bitch.

THOSE DELEGATES ARE PLEDGED, they can't vote for anyone other than McCain unless we have a Brokered convention...... which we dont.

[jason43]

If Paul was going to keep running a real campaign, then do it. If he is going to stop campaigning, then just drop out, wish McCain the best of luck (because he will lose) and form a PAC to promote likeminded candidates.

I just wish people would focus on the other candidates we have going. All this effort on delegates is just wasted time. We should focus on congress and on the other candidates that are running.

[jason43]

I'm glad we are going to be represented at the convention. I hope we can pass a resolution to end the war. How would that be as a smack in the face to McCain??? If nothing else, that would be great... then there is the booing him when he comes out whether you vote for him or not.

It will be good to be there, but don't think we are winning this thing outright, its not happening.

[Melissa]

THOSE DELEGATES ARE PLEDGED, they can't vote for anyone other than McCain unless we have a Brokered convention...... which we dont.

Again i will say that you must not be a delegate-these are the people that makes these rules so if we are the delegates we can change the rules-you are so clueless how this works

[speciallyblend]

And Garfield was not even a nominee and the next day won it, I really think those of you that say it is over have been watching 2 much tv turn it off and realize who has the power--the people at the convention --and who are they --some of us are working on them being us while the rest of you bitch. So for those becoming delegates keep up the fight and the rest of you stay tuned to the tv we will let you know how it turns out

i hear you. or they are depressed . never say never till after convention day and if they dont nominate ron paul,never fear ,just smile .the gop is dead in the water without ron paul as the nominee.

Ron Paul2008 written in stone

look at brightside then we have 4 yrs to build the party or eventually moveon and let the gop implode as they are already
.the gop is really clueless .lets keep them that way. we dont have to help they are doing a dam good job at throwing the election ,consider it gop entertainment at its finest:)

[speciallyblend]

anyone that thinks the gop can win a general election without ron paul as the nominee is ,TRULY DELUSIONAL

[bulloncoins]

Wrong.

If enough Paul supporters go to their state convention, with a 2/3 vote, they can make all of their state's delegates unbound.


As is, the delegates from the state convention to the national convention are bound. Delegates go from precinct to senatorial district conventions where the delegates to state will be chosen. Delegates to the state will choose the delegates to the national convention.

With all the Huckabee, Romney, Thompson, Hunter, etc.....supporters looking at having to vote for McCain or taking a serious look at Paul, unbinding the delegates might not be as hard as you think. McCain has no love lost down here in Texas. His amnesty bill sunk him here long ago. Texans don't trust McCain and it shows. No signs, no bumper stickers, no poll workers. He is dead in the water here.

Face it, many sheeple went to the polls thinking they could only vote for McCain, or vote democratic. They really have no idea that Paul is still a choice, even though his name was on the ballot. By the way, in my precinct, so were the names of half of the people who had alreay dropped out.

They even think that casting their ballot is the end of the process....They have no idea about delegates and such, and don't want to know.

These people would vote for whomever they were TOLD was the republican nominee....Don't expect them to take to the streets when we take back America. They will just be sitting in front of their TV with their mouths hanging open.

[puppetmaster]

RP is done, he was done a long time ago; he does not have the support needed and the primeries proved it. Hell RP got squashed in Texas and that's his home state.

He won ZERO states, and McCain clinched the nomination last night and Huckabee could not stop him.... what does that tell you people? THERE WILL BE NO BROKERED CONVENTION, it's over.

People who think that RP will win the nomination now when he goes to the convention are delusional, seriously he has less then 50 delegates thats pathetic considering he spent well over $30 million.

As I said before they are out in force to try to stop us from going all the way
I know we have delegates much more than is reported. Stay True to the cause and see you in September.

I you have given up then shut up and leave. The moles are out in force on many of these threads. Why would anyone bother to post disheartening info unless they were trying to sway our delegates. Believe me when I say this is an organized effort to kill our movement.

[Melissa]

As I said before they are out in force to try to stop us from going all the way
I know we have delegates much more than is reported. Stay True to the cause and see you in September.

I you have given up then shut up and leave. The moles are out in force on many of these threads. Why would anyone bother to post disheartening info unless they were trying to sway our delegates. Believe me when I say this is an organized effort to kill our movement.

and this is the truth they are learning we have large large numbers and are very scared so they come here bashing and saying it is over --nothing is over till September

[LEK]

How the pledged and unpledged delgates are rationed by state.

Alphabetically by State - Table Form
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R-PU.phtml

This is quite useful.

[Melissa]

How the pledged and unpledged delgates are rationed by state.

Alphabetically by State - Table Form
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R-PU.phtml

This is quite useful.

be careful with this site not sure but think some of there info is not correct but still good to at least get an idea

[acptulsa]

RP is done, he was done a long time ago; he does not have the support needed and the primeries proved it. Hell RP got squashed in Texas and that's his home state.

He won ZERO states, and McCain clinched the nomination last night and Huckabee could not stop him.... what does that tell you people? THERE WILL BE NO BROKERED CONVENTION, it's over.

People who think that RP will win the nomination now when he goes to the convention are delusional, seriously he has less then 50 delegates thats pathetic considering he spent well over $30 million.

Maybe we should just turn the forum over to the trolls for a few days and come back when they're tired of converting each other into liberty-hating neocons. Hey troll, can you even assure me that McCain's eligible to be sworn in? Are you the Supreme Court?

[Shaun]

TROLLS are people who mislead the gullible with false hopes and false data based on LUNATIC THINKING.....
Not one person will take me up on my bet of $1,000 at odds of 20-1 or even 100-1 that RP will be the nominee.
The reason because the RP " HE CAN STILL DO IT" Cult boys KNOW that they are bullshitters..
They just have nothing better to do with their lives now our champion is back to congress.
I told you MONTHS AGO this was over.
Now put up the money or SHUT UP.
U Guys are the trolls....
Misleading gullible people who love RP.
Let it go.

[Liberté]

This needs to be a sticky. McCain has not won the nomination. This wont be decided until September. What the MSM is reporting is just "the best case senario". Most of the delegates can vote for anyone they want in September. Dont get discouraged. Ron Paul now has 7 months to campaing against McWar and do you honestly belive he will lose that battle. The MSM is not telling the whole truth in the delegate process. This is not over until September. Keep supporting Ron Paul and spread his name and message like never before. We have helped him beat 10 other guys now to date...now its just 1 to go. Keep fighting for him!

I repeat, the delegates ARE NOT VOTING until SEPTEMBER.

I admire your spirit, and we should keep advocating for Ron Paul. But McCain will be the nominee, but what we can do is work on our goal, to me it is having a at least 100+ national delegates come November.

Also, don't forget that Romney and Huckabee are all behind McCain now, so he has several hundred more delegates than he needs, and many of his delegates are pledged.

[speciallyblend]

TROLLS are people who mislead the gullible with false hopes and false data based on LUNATIC THINKING.....
Not one person will take me up on my bet of $1,000 at odds of 20-1 or even 100-1 that RP will be the nominee.
The reason because the RP " HE CAN STILL DO IT" Cult boys KNOW that they are bullshitters..
They just have nothing better to do with their lives now our champion is back to congress.
I told you MONTHS AGO this was over.
Now put up the money or SHUT UP.
U Guys are the trolls....
Misleading gullible people who love RP.
Let it go.

this movement isnt over on convention day ,so take your crap else where. kiss my delegate ass ok. we are doing very good in colorado and its not just about 2008 ,so get a grip or go home. you would of surrendered to the freakin british if they threw an acorn at you..... take your worthless crap and cram it up your you know what.

Everyone here knows its an uphill battle and will not be easy. your post is worthless. join the revolution or shut the f UP. SAID WITH A SMILE AND BEING NICE;) be thankful

RON PAUL 2008 ,its the message not the guy, dam trolls cant even understand common sense...

[acptulsa]

Why wouldn't we raise a ruckus at the convention? Why wouldn't we stand and shout that McCain is Constitutionally ineligible and refuse to vote for him in the interests of our various states? Who is to say we're wrong but the Supreme Court? Why wouldn't we fight?

Can you think of a better way to educate the masses? They wouldn't give Ron Paul room to air his views. They owed this to the U.S. populace. Why wouldn't we take that room and that airtime?

[CurtisLow]

McCain HAS NOT WON THE NOMINATION!

He's a fool! Let's begin to take our country back! it's not over, It's just the beginning!

[Sarge]

I say go for it gang.

It is not over until they turn out the lights at the RNC Convention.

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, or we are all in for the worst time of our life.

I am not saying I don't know it is going to be the battle of all battles, but make the RNC Convention the last stand at the ALAMO!

Delegates, delegates, and rule changes.

Wear them down, convert the delegates and change the rules at the state and RNC convetion. They don't want McCain, and will bolt if we do not back down. Any one thing that can surface and deep six McCain can make a spring board for those committed to McCain to bolt.

They will do everything to ignore us and shut us up. I would like to see this explode in their face. I have been around the turnip patch a few times, and think it can happen if no one backs off.

Even if Dr. Paul doesn't get the nomination, you the Revolution, will keep pounding them and taking the Republican Party back to where they use to be for us Republicans.

No McCain and no H and O ticket. We can't afford any of these tickets.

Let me die in peace, knowing we have won or will win down the road. I don't want my two sons, or you young ones, to have to deal with these idiots anymore.

With this said, my last vote will be for Dr. Paul!

[quickmike]

This needs to be a sticky. McCain has not won the nomination. This wont be decided until September. What the MSM is reporting is just "the best case senario". Most of the delegates can vote for anyone they want in September. Dont get discouraged. Ron Paul now has 7 months to campaing against McWar and do you honestly belive he will lose that battle. The MSM is not telling the whole truth in the delegate process. This is not over until September. Keep supporting Ron Paul and spread his name and message like never before. We have helped him beat 10 other guys now to date...now its just 1 to go. Keep fighting for him!

I repeat, the delegates ARE NOT VOTING until SEPTEMBER.

You are correct, but even if you were wrong and McInsane really did win the nomination that doesnt count for s--t anyway. The reason is that 70%+ of americans want us out of Iraq and will not elect anyone that wants to stay there for 100 years if he feels like it. It just aint gonna happen, especially with so many people out there that seem to have "obama fever" right now.

Our best hope this year is to keep Ron fighting this thing all the way up to the end. He SHOULD run independant in my opinion, but thats neither here nor there. At least with an independant run he might be able to get into the debates but even that is questionable. The best thing we can all do is just support Ron no matter what happens and write his name in if necessary.

Remember folks, Ron Paul is not the end all candidate for this movement, but right now hes all weve got on the national front. If he stays in it to the end, we should all stick with it to the end no matter what. That includes continuing to send money to the campaign. I know its a shitty feeling sometimes when you see so many stupid people in this country voting for a knucklehead like McCain, it makes you think to yourself "WTF??????????" Believe me, I understand, but this is much bigger than just the presidency. Its about the future as well.

[speciallyblend]

You are correct, but even if you were wrong and McInsane really did win the nomination that doesnt count for s--t anyway. The reason is that 70%+ of americans want us out of Iraq and will not elect anyone that wants to stay there for 100 years if he feels like it. It just aint gonna happen, especially with so many people out there that seem to have "obama fever" right now.

Our best hope this year is to keep Ron fighting this thing all the way up to the end. He SHOULD run independant in my opinion, but thats neither here nor there. At least with an independant run he might be able to get into the debates but even that is questionable. The best thing we can all do is just support Ron no matter what happens and write his name in if necessary.

i am a delegate and im going to county in hopes of being voted to state . this isnt over. the republican party is in very deep trouble. We need to remind them;)

[molly_pitcher]

bump

[tangent4ronpaul]

your ignorance astounds me, maybe you havent been around for the past 3 months?
we have a hell of a hard time getting 10% in a state... how do you think we can pull the majority of delegates if we are pulling these kinda of numbers? i think the last time i checked we got 5% of the vote in texas.. not trying to be a troll or anything im just being realistic here. we've done great funding but as far as reaching to the general public we are doing horribly.. the person who said we would be in iraq for 100 years, in a country that 60-70% oppose the same war is WINNING. RP needs to bust out with something freaking AMAZING that would not only wake up some delegates but the general public IE. SHEEPS!!! really dont see your point of saying its far from over.. the establishment won this battle, but not the war IMO. :rolleyes:

Well, lets see.... taking my state as an example, we just went from having to influence 3 Million people to influencing around 55. With a delegate strategy, that is.

-n