Ron Paul or Martial Law

[max]

Us "conspiracy theorists" have known this for years, but this news report from "mainstream media" should help convince you doubters.

Plans are under way to enact martial law. Thats what Homeland Security and PATRIOT ACT were all about. All we need now is either an economic collapse and/or another staged terrorist attack and it's bye bye America.

We need to get Ron paul elected in order to repeal this. This news clip confirms that totalitarian takeover systems are in place and even went operational in New Orleans.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/160807_quell_dissent.htm

[LibertyEagle]

Max, one does not need to be an AJ devotee to be aware of these things.

[max]

liberty..

trust me....most folks a(even RP fans) are not only unaware of this ...they will laugh at you if you dare to suggest a plot to take over America..

Hopefully, this news report from MSM might open some eyes here

[Zydeco]

Paranoia is the only rational state of mind when you look at the recent actions of the Bush Administration.

Between the FEMA camps Halliburton is building, recent presidential directives re continuity of government after a major terrorist attack, the contempt for the constitution shown by Cheney, Gonzales, Bush, Chertoff, and other authoritarians in the executive Branch, and lingering questions about 9/11...I don't understand people who can't see what's coming.

How much more obvious to they have to make it?

[max]

A number of years ago, scientists and officials tried to warn folks in Peru about a nearby volcano that was getting ready to become active. Hardly anyone left town. they refused to think the unthinkable....until mud slides buried them alive..

The same dynamic is at work with the conspiracy deniers.

[DjLoTi]

Max, how about posting Ron Paul news in the 'Ron Paul news' board, and posting this in the 'other topics' board?

[David Merrill]

I have been inquiring about this already on another Ron Paul forum:

http://dailypaul.com/node/1365

[LibertyEagle]

In the video, accessible on the left hand side of this article, http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987
the news reporter mentions that posse comitatus was done away with last year. :eek: I wasn't aware of that. Anyone know of the legislation that did that?

I am trying not to cuss right now and it's taking everything I have not to do so. :mad:

[Shink]

In the video, accessible on the left hand side of this article, http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987
the news reporter mentions that posse comitatus was done away with last year. :eek: I wasn't aware of that. Anyone know of the legislation that did that?

I am trying not to cuss right now and it's taking everything I have not to do so. :mad:

Warner Defense Authorization Act of 06 and probably even 07 have obliterated those.

[Thelibertywire]

So the MSM is useful when they reinforce your ideology, but otherwise they are just propaganda? :rolleyes:

Ha ha. Crazy story, but honestly cm on, just because the MSM publishes it, doesn't legitimize it. :p

[DjLoTi]

You guys don't want me to be a mod, because I will be a strict constitutionalist, lol, what I mean is I'm going to move all this bullshit that doesn't belong on this thread.

Ok, I'm a little frustrated about this crap, but seriously. When's it gonna stop

[sylvania]

So the clergy helped ease the fears and calm the people when their 2nd amendment was being snatched from them? That's awesome.

I knew there was a reason I inherently distrusted organized religion.

[LibertyEagle]

I agree with DJLoti. Will the mods please move this thread to "General Politics and Other"?

[DeadheadForPaul]

You guys don't want me to be a mod, because I will be a strict constitutionalist, lol, what I mean is I'm going to move all this bullshit that doesn't belong on this thread.

Ok, I'm a little frustrated about this crap, but seriously. When's it gonna stop

Seconded.

[max]

So the MSM is useful when they reinforce your ideology, but otherwise they are just propaganda? :rolleyes:

Ha ha. Crazy story, but honestly cm on, just because the MSM publishes it, doesn't legitimize it. :p

If I find a diamond in a cesspool, it doesnt make me a hypocrite for complaining about the stench.

It's not a question of "legitimizing".. Posse comatatus was done away with last year. Thats a fact. MSM, like a broken clock, does fet it right sometimes. It's not a "crazy story."

You need to polish up your critical thinking skills.

[Hook]

I think Bush signed some kind of Executive Order that dimished Posse Comatatus too. It was last year I think.
I admit I don't follow too closely, because I already know Bush doesn't care about the Constitution, so nothing suprises me anymore.

[SAVEamerica]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Bush people actually did this. The things they have been doing only make sense if they think they will remain in power forever. They may be planning on:

1. Stealing the election or..
2. Declaring martial law and canceling the elections or..
3. Suddenly changing everything back to normal before Bush leaves

I don't think #2 is likely unless there is a terrorist attack. If there is, I doubt anything would stop them. They already have too much power.



Martial Law is Now a Real Threat
Declaring the US a Battlefield (http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff07272007.html)

The looming collapse of the US military in Iraq, of which a number of generals and former generals, including former Chief of Staff Colin Powell, have warned, is happening none too soon, as it my be the best hope for preventing military rule here at home.

From the looks of things, the Bush/Cheney regime has been working assiduously to pave the way for a declaration of military rule, such that at this point it really lacks only the pretext to trigger a suspension of Constitutional government. They have done this with the active support of Democrats in Congress, though most of the heavy lifting was done by the last, Republican-led Congress.

The first step, or course, was the first Authorization for Use of Military Force, passed in September 2001, which the president has subsequently used to claim-improperly, but so what? -that the whole world, including the US, is a battlefield in a so-called "War" on Terror, and that he has extra-Constitutional unitary executive powers to ignore laws passed by Congress. As constitutional scholar and former Reagan-era associate deputy attorney general Bruce Fein observes, that one claim, that the US is itself a battlefield, is enough to allow this or some future president to declare martial law, "since you can always declare martial law on a battlefield. All he'd need would be a pretext, like another terrorist attack inside the U.S."

The 2001 AUMF was followed by the PATRIOT Act, passed in October 2001, which undermined much of the Bill of Rights. Around the same time, the president began a campaign of massive spying on Americans by the National Security Agency, conducted without any warrants or other judicial review. It was and remains a program that is clearly aimed at American dissidents and at the administration's political opponents, since the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court would never have raised no objections to spying on potential terrorists. (And it, and other government spying programs, have resulted in the government's having a list now of some 325,000 "suspected terrorists"!)

The other thing we saw early on was the establishment of an underground government-within-a-government, though the activation, following 9-11, of the so-called "Continuity of Government" protocol, which saw heads of federal agencies moved secretly to an underground bunker where, working under the direction of Vice President Dick Cheney, the "government" functioned out of sight of Congress and the public for critical months.

It was also during the first year following 9-11 that the Bush/Cheney regime began its programs of arrest and detention without charge-mostly of resident aliens, but also of American citizens-and of kidnapping and torture in a chain of gulag prisons overseas and at the Navy base at Guantanamo Bay.

The following year, Attorney General John Ashcroft began his program to develop a mass network of tens of millions of citizen spies-Operation TIPS. That program, which had considerable support from key Democrats (notably Sen. Joe Lieberman), was curtailed by Congress when key conservatives got wind of the scale of the thing, but the concept survives without a name, and is reportedly being expanded today.

Meanwhile, last October Bush and Cheney, with the help of a compliant Congress, put in place some key elements needed for a military putsch. There was the overturning of the venerable Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which barred the use of active duty military inside the United States for police-type functions, and the revision of the Insurrection Act, so as to empower the president to take control of National Guard units in the 50 states even over the objections of the governors of those states.

Put this together with the wholly secret construction now under way--courtesy of a $385-million grant by the US Army Corps of Engineers to Halliburton subsidiary KBR Inc--of detention camps reportedly capable of confining as many as 400,000 people, and a recent report that the Pentagon has a document, dated June 1, 2007, classified Top Secret, which declares there to be a developing "insurgency" within the U.S, and which lays out a whole martial law counterinsurgency campaign against legal dissent, and you have all the ingredients for a military takeover of the United States.

As we go about our daily lives--our shopping, our escapist movie watching, and even our protesting and political organizing-we need to be aware that there is a real risk that it could all blow up, and that we could find ourselves facing armed, uniformed troops at our doors.

Bruce Fein isn't an alarmist. He says he doesn't see martial law coming tomorrow. But he is also realistic. "Really, by declaring the US to be a battlefield, Bush already made it possible for himself to declare martial law, because you can always declare martial law on a battlefield," he says. "All he would need would be a pretext, like another terrorist attack on the U.S."

Indeed, the revised Insurrection Act (10. USC 331-335) approved by Congress and signed into law by Bush last October, specifically says that the president can federalize the National Guard to "suppress public disorder" in the event of "national disorder, epidemic, other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident." That determination, the act states, is solely the president's to make. Congress is not involved.

Fein says, "This is all sitting around like a loaded gun waiting to go off. I think the risk of martial law is trivial right now, but the minute there is a terrorist attack, then it is real. And it stays with us after Bush and Cheney are gone, because terrorism stays with us forever." (It may be significant that Hillary Clinton, the leading Democratic candidate for president, has called for the revocation of the 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force against Iraq, but not of the earlier 2001 AUMF which Bush claims makes him commander in chief of a borderless, endless war on terror.)

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has added an amendment to the upcoming Defense bill, restoring the Insurrection Act to its former version-a move that has the endorsement of all 50 governors--but Fein argues that would not solve the problem, since Bush still claims that the U.S. is a battlefield. Besides, a Leahy aide concedes that Bush could sign the next Defense Appropriations bill and then use a signing statement to invalidate the Insurrection Act rider.

Fein argues that the only real defense against the looming disaster of a martial law declaration would be for Congress to vote for a resolution determining that there is no "War" on terror. "But they are such cowards they will never do that," he says.

That leaves us with the military.

If ordered to turn their guns and bayonets on their fellow Americans, would our "heroes" in uniform follow their consciences, and their oaths to "uphold and defend" the Constitution of the United States? Or would they follow the orders of their Commander in Chief?

It has to be a plus that National Guard and Reserve units are on their third and sometimes fourth deployments to Iraq, and are fuming at the abuse. It has to be a plus that active duty troops are refusing to re-enlist in droves-especially mid-level officers.

If we are headed for martial law, better that it be with a broken military. Maybe if it's broken badly enough, the administration will be afraid to test the idea.



I think Bush signed some kind of Executive Order that dimished Posse Comatatus too.

http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_04_23/article4.html

[Captain Shays]

I clearly remember Michael Chertoff on live TV news stating that the government is indeed building concentration camps around the country, but I cannot for the life of me find anything anywhere on the net about it.

Can someone please help me find it once again. I swear I saw it and heard it.

[SAVEamerica]

Here Captain Shays.....

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B62C8724D-AE8A-4B5C-94C7-70171315C0A0%7D&dateid=38741.5136277662-858254656


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