Ron SHOULD run as an Independent/3rd Party

[DFF]

Cuz' McPain is going to get his ass kicked either way, both parties suck, and our economy is turning to straight s**t.

Neither Obama-Bin Laden, Billary, or McPain are qualified to lead our nation. Ron has more knowledge in his left toenail than all these jackasses combined.

The message is STRONG and we've come so far.

So why give up? Why quit even in the midst of overwhelming adversity?

[AJ Antimony]

3rd party = 0% coverage/voice. Remaining Republican = .0001% coverage/voice. Nobody gives Paul credit for doing better in 2008 than 1988.

[DFF]

Yeah -- but if Ron announced he was going long; a TON of the 'fairweather' support we've lost would return. And November is a awhile off. Who knows -- maybe BreakTheMatrix (http://www.breakthematrix.com/) might be online between now and then.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

March 4, 2008: Paul defeats Peden

March 5, 2008: Paul announces independent run

April 15, 2008: Paul sets new, single-day online fundraising record

June 1, 2008: Paul at 15% in multiple opinion polls

July 31, 2008: Paul, with double-digit support, accepts presidential debates invitation

September 1, 2008: McCain, Clinton and Paul in three-way tie in national polls

October 31, 2008: Race still neck-and-neck-and-neck

November 4, 2008: Paul wins

November 5, 2008: Paul resigns TX-14 U.S. House seat, Peden the favorite to win special election

January 20, 2009: Paul sworn in as 44th U.S. President

[DFF]

Seems feasible to me. Furthermore, if history has taught us anything, upsets -- no matter how unlikely -- can and do occur. Hell, a president (can't remember his name) died 14 days after being sworn in. McPain might finally get his long overdue heart attack on the stump. Then where would Republican voters turn to? Ron Paul. And lest we forget; Paul appeals to Democrats as well. Maybe even more so than Republicans...

[-lotus-]

Seems feasible to me. Furthermore, if history has taught us anything, upsets -- no matter how unlikely -- can occur. Hell, a president (can't remember his name) died 14 days after being sworn in. McPain might finally get his long overdue heart attack on the stump.

we all dislike mccain but those kind of sentiments need to remain unspoken. bad form.

[Richie]

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

[speciallyblend]

im voting ron paul in the general. if the gop fails to nominate him,then its up to us to run him or vote for someone else with his message which means outside of the 2 old parties.


anyone that says he wont or cant run outside of the party is giving up . it's up to us if he runs ,if he doesn't then the republican party will continue to self destruct then we can try to build within the party but if that failes in 4 yrs then we need to let them go away and build something new ,if there is anything left to build after the republican party destroys itself

[DFF]

we all dislike mccain but those kind of sentiments need to remain unspoken. bad form.


Alls fair in love and politics and McPain wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years. So, with all due respect; to Hell with him. Literally.

[yongrel]

March 4: Ron Paul beats Peden, wins House seat

March 5: Ron Paul announces Independent Run, forfeits House seat.

[DFF]

How do you know he has to forfeit his house seat to run Indy/3rd?

[Azprint]

Because it is primary vote today so if he goes indy his win in Republican primary means shit, Peden gets the nomination and takes his seat away.

[Alex Libman]

Indeed Ron Paul should, and the Libertarian Party is definitely the best way to go. But if he can't, he should endorse another candidate ASAP and campaign for him / her. Keeping the heat on the remaining GOP primaries and convention is all good, but unless we act now the Ron Paul movement will have no one to vote for in November and lose momentum! (See my sig.)

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

No way 3rd party. Here is a novel idea; Support Ron Paul in whatever path he chooses to take. We know the man won't compromise his principles. We've got 30 years of proof. I still don't understand why people are still posting these threads.

[speciallyblend]

No way 3rd party. Here is a novel idea; Support Ron Paul in whatever path he chooses to take. We know the man won't compromise his principles. We've got 30 years of proof. I still don't understand why people are still posting these threads.

if ron paul doesnt run then we cant vote republican there isnt anyone to vote for, so i guess we just dont vote or we write in a vote for RON PAUL,OR WE DEMAND FOR HIM TO RUN. I have money i will commit to ron paul once he runs for president if the republicans ignore him..... what part dont you get our vote is for ron paul not the republican party. the republican party is dead,yeswe can try to build within,but so far it seems the republicansd dont want ron paul. who elese do you recommend voting for mccain? huckabee? the solution take over the republican party or let it die or run independent. there are no other options

if ron paul doesn't run 3rd party the republican party dies,if he runs 3rd party the republican party dies ,either way our message lives.

RON PAUL 2008 thats my vote i dont need the republican party they need us,if they choose to ignore the only republican running then its time to watch them die.
the republican party is dead in the water unless they nominate Ron Paul........ talk of a independnet run is being caused because of the deaf dumb and blind sheep aka gop old party.. i guess your gonna fade away for mccain or huckabee.

I plan on voting ron paul or pushing his republican agenda outside of the republican party if the republicans cant follow their own platform not my problem,instead of complaining about our threads ,try calling the gop and let them know loud and clear whats going to happen

RON PAUL 2008
I ASK YOU THIS WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR IN 2008 ???

RON PAUL 2008 i dont need the republican party to tell me who im voting for;)

[AFM]

March 4, 2008: Paul defeats Peden

March 5, 2008: Paul announces independent run

April 15, 2008: Paul sets new, single-day online fundraising record

June 1, 2008: Paul at 15% in multiple opinion polls

July 31, 2008: Paul, with double-digit support, accepts presidential debates invitation

September 1, 2008: McCain, Clinton and Paul in three-way tie in national polls

October 31, 2008: Race still neck-and-neck-and-neck

November 4, 2008: Paul wins

November 5, 2008: Paul resigns TX-14 U.S. House seat, Peden the favorite to win special election

January 20, 2009: Paul sworn in as 44th U.S. President

YES ORGASM!!!!!!!!

[grizzums]

At this point, I could care less what RP runs on....he will get my vote (write in or otherwise) in the general and thats it. My semi streak of activism has faded but I will still spread the word of Paul and his principals and philosophies to all that I can.

Feeling a bit of hopelessness for the country again but more indifference than anything else. Perhaps just a phase that I will work through....I was quite apathetic before Paul woke me up politically.....I don't want to go back, but Ill admit, its tough.

[speciallyblend]

At this point, I could care less what RP runs on....he will get my vote (write in or otherwise) in the general and thats it. My semi streak of activism has faded but I will still spread the word of Paul and his principals and philosophies to all that I can.

Feeling a bit of hopelessness for the country again but more indifference than anything else. Perhaps just a phase that I will work through....I was quite apathetic before Paul woke me up politically.....I don't want to go back, but Ill admit, its tough.

keep up the great work:) its up to us;)

[Andrew76]

Cuz' McPain is going to get his ass kicked either way, both parties suck, and our economy is turning to straight s**t.

Neither Obama-Bin Laden, Billary, or McPain are qualified to lead our nation. Ron has more knowledge in his left toenail than all these jackasses combined.

The message is STRONG and we've come so far.

So why give up? Why quit even in the midst of overwhelming adversity?

IF... McCain gets the nod from the GOP, then I completely agree with you. McCain is going to get slaughtered no matter what. Ron needs to keep hammering away with his message, our message, THE message of free minds, free markets and constitutional, limited goverment. Even if he loses as a third party candidate, it won't matter, because the continual spreading of this message is what's most important.

I also have a feeling now, IF McCrime becomes the GOP nominee, that a thrid party run would galvanize and re-energize the movement. We'll still have the march. Hell, what the hell even happened with that plan? Ron himself sent us all videos saying that he wanted a march, a "grand showing." Man, ... where is it? If not now, when?
What in god's name is he waiting for?

An independent run would also turn a lot of new voters on who are sick of both parties and are not voting at all. In my view, IF McClame gets the nod, then the positives for Ron going independent far outweigh the negatives. He simply cannot give up, and we can't let him! The man needs our support. Which reminds me, EFF all of you who stopped donating money when it started to look like Ron wouldn't sweep the whole damn thing. To the rest of you, onwards and upwards!

[ScottA]

We need Ron to speak at the convention. Patience, Patience. With the world watching the message must be broadcast on the world stage.

Then after that who knows what happens. We all might be surprised.

[colecrowe]

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Please find more and more names of people on here that support an indy run.

Wait 'til March 4th, because things might turn around between now and then, and most importantly, because his congressional primary is on that day, and he needs to win that to maintain credibility or whatever.

But we need a way to show the people's support, in a huge way, for an independent run. We have to prove it to him. Obviously, it's his choice--duh. But he would have never started running in the first place if it wasn't for the humongous clamoring and promise of support from so many people. (I know we already have www.RonPaulWhiteHouse.com (http://www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com/), but I am thinking something way, way better and bigger.)

I have figured out, and so have many of you and many more on here, some really great facts and arguments that prove that an independent run would be wise and could be very successful. I am gathering them all together. Please help me in that. Please get more and more names of those who will support us.

I want to start a site like "draft Ron Paul for independent" or somesuch. I want people to be able to print off pledge forms and opinion survey forms that they can take around to family and coworkers, etc. Then they could come online and update us with their results, like people do on the precinct captain site.

I know from my experience that scores of people would be extremely excited about and supportive of an indy run. Tons of family, friends, and coworkers (especially my army buddies--tons of them would give a little cash) would give a bunch more (they aren't going to give anymore to him now--that's for sure) and my wife and I and a few other people I know would canvass and call.

So, anyway, let's get something started. Please get back to me and recruit others.

Well, you guys can go ahead and not give a crap about your country, but my brother and I are going to Iraq in August, so I actually give a crap, because I'd like Ron Paul to start bringing us home quickly in January, and then he could start sending us after al-Queda and Osama, etc. So, yeah, go ahead and call me "not a real RP supporter" or say that I "don't think he can win"--because I actually think it is incredibly important that he be our president, and I absolutely think he can win as an independent, and I care much, much more about ending the Iraq war, restoring freedom, and saving our economy than I do about the GOP. And how many Americans would love to start to take down the horrible two-party system? Most. (INCLUDING Ron Paul--the stupidest, most incredible thing that people use as an argument against an indy run, is that "Ron Paul has always been a Republican--he's the true Republican--he would lose credibility with the GOP (just forget that he has almost none now because 85% of Repubs are rabidly pro-war and most his primary votes came from new registrees)--blah, blah, blah--BUT they forget, Ron Paul hates the party system, just like the founders did. And what of his undying loyalty to the wonderful GOP? BS: he resigned from the GOP--and he's a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party.

[colecrowe]

Can we please have an entire forum NOT A SUBFORUM OF G.C. devoted to "Independent/Third Party Run" (I'm definitely for indy...but it doesn't matter for the Forum.)?

Then we could give every state a ballot subforum. We could have 1 master "ballot" subforum for talk about meta-ballot issues, like legal challenges, places to find sources about ballot issues, etc.

There could be 1 main subforum for general discussion.

[colecrowe]

Thank you for the good, reasoned post. Great info. But I disagree with you saying that we will lose "substantial support". We don't have substantial support. We have like 8% support--at the VERY most (average it out--and be realistic--you will agree it's 8% at the very most--and it's way too late for a brokered convention).

I disagree and don't think we get support mainly from christian/republican types--I think that is unique to your experience--and besides, that ground obviously isn't that fertile compared to other, broader ground--just look at our results, even in Michigan, your example. But, also, I absolutely have never thought we would get our support from pot smokers, truthers, etc.

Our support comes, and will come in a HUGE way if we go iNDY, from people who are anti-war, pro-constitution, and most importantly TIRED OF BEING LIED TO, TIRED OF LOBBYISTS, AND HUNGRY FOR THE TYPE OF STATESMAN ONLY RON PAUL IS.

People will vote for Ron Paul for his record that is so amazing, and so different, even if they disagree with some of his stances. Proof: The same exact thing made me, my wife, my father-in-law, father, grandpa-in-law, and on and on (including many family members I never proselytized to!) choose Paul: HIS HONESTY--the fact that he's not a "politician" like ALL the others. Once they hear that he has never gotten lobbyist money, never changed his stances, AND ONCE THEY HEAR HIM SPEAK, they are hooked.

But not the GOP sheep--the pro Iraq war types. That is why we have to get out of the GOP.

If we go iNDY, we will also get all the anti-war GOPers. Plus, we might get more GOPers than that if McCain is the nominee--because of immigration and character (he cheated on his wife and is married to his mistress now).

Plus, we haven't got to capitalize on running anti-war ads, especially with veterans in them supporting him. We need to make a much bigger deal about the amazing amount of money he raised from military members (more than all the Republicans put together) in ads, etc.

We also haven't capitalized on his being an Obstetrician for 30 years, and so much more. His name recognition is extremely dismal--we need a fresh start with exposure in every state--not just those left in the GOP race.



I've done A LOT of work for the campaign in Michigan and have met many different supporters. I can say with certainty that in Michigan, the majority of Ron Paul supporters are Republicans or disaffected Republicans. The majority are also Christians.

These boards are NOT representative of who is voting for us.

I'd estimate (from Michigan) we have about 65% of some type of Republicans making up our voters and about 75% Christians. The number of truthers that support Ron Paul is also very low I'd estimate about 10 to 15 percent. Again this is from my experience in Michigan.

If you looked at these forums, you'd think the majority were liberal atheists, and that may well be true about these forums, but now out in the real world.

I'd also like to add there are major discrepancies between the average Ron Paul voter and the "hardcore supporters"

Atheists, marijuana activists, peace activists, and truthers make up a disproportionate part of our "hardcore" supporters.

This is all very important and you need to think about the big picture. If we run independent, you can expect everyone on the forums and all the hardcore supporters to still supporter Ron Paul, but we're going to lose a substantial chunk of our base. If you think that people who already vote for Ron Paul won't vote for the Republican nominee, you haven't been talking enough to our casual voters, and believe me we have MANY of them.

Wherever Ron goes, I'll vote for him, but be aware many will not. How many of you have actually worked for a 3rd party candidate that is not a billionaire?

If you think things are bad now, you haven't seen anything yet.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Colecrow,

You may count me among your supporters. An independent run is the only viable option to grow the movement and punish the brutish GOP and cowardly Democrats.

[Aidyl]

I used to be against ron going indy, but the more I think about it the more I realize that it might be a great idea. I mean, look at what ross perot did back in '92. can you imagine what it would be like if the internet was as strong as it is now? he would have really put pressure on the system. let's go all the way!!

[colecrowe]

GREAT!

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Colecrow,

You may count me among your supporters. An independent run is the only viable option to grow the movement and punish the brutish GOP and cowardly Democrats.

[colecrowe]

GREAT!

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I used to be against ron going indy, but the more I think about it the more I realize that it might be a great idea. I mean, look at what ross perot did back in '92. can you imagine what it would be like if the internet was as strong as it is now? he would have really put pressure on the system. let's go all the way!!

[RollOn2day]

Add me to the list.

And I think this, the only viable, feasable and REALISTIC option for electing Ron Paul in November should stay in the Grassroots Central forum right where it is!

Great thread folks!

[colecrowe]

Mods and Admins...Please don't move this thread! We can have one thread for general discussion of the indy issue. And we need to see if people want a forum dedicated to it...

Do you guys?



Can we please have an entire forum NOT A SUBFORUM OF G.C. devoted to "Independent/Third Party Run" (I'm definitely for indy...but it doesn't matter for the Forum.)?

Then we could give every state a ballot subforum. We could have 1 master "ballot" subforum for talk about meta-ballot issues, like legal challenges, places to find sources about ballot issues, etc.

There could be 1 main subforum for general discussion.

[colecrowe]

GREAT!

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Add me to the list.

And I think this, the only viable, feasable and REALISTIC option for electing Ron Paul in November should stay in the Grassroots Central forum right where it is!

Great thread folks!

[StateofTrance]

And then you have Ralph Nader.

[colecrowe]

Add me to the list.

And I think this, the only viable, feasable and REALISTIC option for electing Ron Paul in November should stay in the Grassroots Central forum right where it is!

Great thread folks!

The only problem with that is that there is a bunch of nazis who call anyone who wants an indy run a traitor, an idiot, never a real Ron Paul supporter, should be banned, killed, etc.

If we have a forum, then they can stay out if they hate the idea so much.

[Zera]

Absolutely nothing will come from an indy run. You will only have a media blackout worse than it is now, and an even lower chance of winning the general election that now.

[blakjak]

March 4, 2008: Paul defeats Peden

March 5, 2008: Paul announces independent run

April 15, 2008: Paul sets new, single-day online fundraising record

June 1, 2008: Paul at 15% in multiple opinion polls

July 31, 2008: Paul, with double-digit support, accepts presidential debates invitation

September 1, 2008: McCain, Clinton and Paul in three-way tie in national polls

October 31, 2008: Race still neck-and-neck-and-neck

November 4, 2008: Paul wins

November 5, 2008: Paul resigns TX-14 U.S. House seat, Peden the favorite to win special election

January 20, 2009: Paul sworn in as 44th U.S. President

January 21, 2009: Hell freezes over

[rockandrollsouls]

I'm neverrr giving up. A big name and Paul could be a force to be reckoned with, especially if his running mate is loved by republicans. Who are conservatives going to vote for? Who are moderates going to vote for? You have a military dictator and a communist leader. It's not over till it's over

[colecrowe]

Absolutely nothing will come from an indy run. You will only have a media blackout worse than it is now, and an even lower chance of winning the general election that now.

Why do you think that? What chance do we have of winning now? The same chance as Kucinich winning the Dem nomination: negative 10 percent.

Ross Perot only spent 64 million on his campaign--a little over 100 million in todays dollars. NOT BILLIONS. So anybody that says so is a fing idiot!--actually they are probably dishonest. And Ron Paul's grassroots is a hundred times more devoted and ready to sacrifice and fight. And the nay-sayers will say "We can't get on the ballots--it's impossible!" Oh, but Ross Perot could? Morons. And Ross Perot was in first place by 9 points (or 8--whatever it was) before he dropped out and said he was threatened (and he still got 19% of the vote--which is great--and Ron Paul is way more amazing than Perot, with way bigger support. And the conditions are similar--there was a recession in '92--now 70% of Americans polled think the economy is bad and likely to get worse, inflation is soaring and gas is still painfully expensive. And then you have the war. The Dems have the war, but they can't get the fiscal, immigration, gun, and school conservatives. The Republicans have what they have (i would argue, not much, with their current candidate, except they would be guaranteed 90% of the pro-war vote (so 30% maybe))--but 72% of Americans want the war to end.

the only reason Ron Paul wouldn't run indy is if he doesn't get overwhelming support for it. That is the only reason he ran in this race. If hundreds of thousands of people write him letters saying they want him to run, they will send money, and get signatures, and canvass, then he will do it. As one of those soldiers that has given to him and worked for his campaign, and knowing that so many of my buddies in Iraq and soon to go back want him to be President so bad, I feel like he will consider that and do it for us troops (and of course for everyone else)--but I mean, it has to mean something incredibly huge that the nation's troops want him as their commander in chief so badly! Please Mr. Paul, please run, please fight, and we will fight with you for a win...

If Ron Paul declared an indy run (after March 4th of course) then he could raise 25 million right off the bat. Everyone I know would give twice what they already have. We could get 200,000 precinct captains and get the 38 states back that are useless to us now in the Repub race because they've already voted, and have 7 months to canvass. Run a couple nationwide amazing infomercials.

Country over party. Remember what all the founders (the good ones) said about parties? Do you think they'd agree that Ron Paul should care more about offending the GOP than fighting for the Constitution, freedom, and government of the people?

[colecrowe]

GREAT!

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I'm neverrr giving up. A big name and Paul could be a force to be reckoned with, especially if his running mate is loved by republicans. Who are conservatives going to vote for? Who are moderates going to vote for? You have a military dictator and a communist leader. It's not over till it's over

[Zera]

Yeah, good luck getting Paul to win the election with 18 supporters.

Get it through your skull:

The media will IGNORE Paul EVEN IF HE RUNS INDY. They didn't give a shit about him then, they won't. The reason is simple, and Paul for president would not benefit them at all.

Stop being so damn delusional. He said it himself, he's sticking to the GOP, and will not leave it.

[colecrowe]

Can we get a "draft Ron Paul for independent" web site?

And then people could print pledge forms and have family, friends, and associates sign it with an encouraging message, a promise of a donation.

And then people could hand write a letter and include the pledge forms.

We could get hundreds of thousands of people to send letters to Ron Paul promising to donate, get ballot sigs, canvass as precinct captains, etc.

If he ran a couple of really amazing, nationwide infomercials in primetime, making his announcement, then we would really tell by the reaction and the polls that followed if he was viable or not.

[mketcher]

3rd party = 0% coverage/voice. Remaining Republican = .0001% coverage/voice. Nobody gives Paul credit for doing better in 2008 than 1988.


Now that McCain apparently has the nomination locked up (barring an assassination or other unforseen event), 3rd Party is now the way to go. I believe that Dr. Paul was holding off on a third party announcement to make sure he won his congressional primary.

If he doesn't run 3rd Party, it will be extremely difficult for him to raise money and keep the his supporters from being demoralized. He does have a lot of delegates, and they could still go to the convention and raise hell and raise awareness of his campaign. By staying a Republican candidate at this point, he simply won't be generating any excitement. There is so much dissatisfaction with the Obama, Hillary, and McCain that it's conceivable that Dr. Paul could win a plurality. Especially so, since the economy is becoming the main issue -- and he wipes the floor with all of them on economics.

They will, of course, try to keep him out of the debates, but if he starts gaining significant support in the polls, that will be tough to do.

The rumor on lewrockwell.com is that he's already talking with Bob Barr for a 3rd Party run.

[RollOn2day]

and so it goes....Off to the boondocks for us and our kind!

Hang in there folks! See ya back in the GC!

[Zera]

AHHHHHHH STOP IT GOT DAMN IT!!!!!

HE WON'T GET THE HUGE SUPPORT YOU THINK HE WILL IN ANY POLL!!!!

STOP BEING DELUSIONAL!

You are part of the people that make the grassroots look like idiots and lunatics. Fucking stop it.

[colecrowe]

Yeah, good luck getting Paul to win the election with 18 supporters.

Get it through your skull:

The media will IGNORE Paul EVEN IF HE RUNS INDY. They didn't give a shit about him then, they won't. The reason is simple, and Paul for president would not benefit them at all.

Stop being so damn delusional. He said it himself, he's sticking to the GOP, and will not leave it.

Why did they cover Perot?

Why are all the radio talk show hosts complaining so strongly about McCain and saying "I wish we had someone better to vote for" and interviewing Third Party spokesmen.

[grizzums]

People voicing their support for Paul running third party or Indy because they strongly believe that the other options for president of the united states could be catastrophic at this point in time makes the grassroots look like lunatics and idiots? Get over yourself...

I will support paul as a republican or as an independent or as a third party. Its his choice to make and I support him and only him for president no matter what. I have no loyalty to the GOP regardless of whether I have voted the party my entire voting life or not. I hope paul does run Indy but I understand the reasons against it and will support his decision if he decides to again confirm his "no intention" to do so....grudgingly.

Calling supporters of his idiots and lunatics for hoping he runs third party makes you look like the idiot imo.

[Zera]

Circumstances are different this time. Both Bill and George weren't doing so great at the time Perot got so much attention. However, at the moment, McCain is doing alright with a ton of people, as well as the likely Democrat nominee, Obama... Oh, especially Obama...

The only indy candidate that will be paid attention to until the election is Ralph Nader.

Get a reality check. A couple hundred thousand votes for Paul won't help him at all when millions upon millions vote for Obama (since McCain is obviously not going to win the general election).

[colecrowe]

AHHHHHHH STOP IT GOT DAMN IT!!!!!

HE WON'T GET THE HUGE SUPPORT YOU THINK HE WILL IN ANY POLL!!!!

STOP BEING DELUSIONAL!

You are part of the people that make the grassroots look like idiots and lunatics. Fucking stop it.

Why do you say that? If so, why are you here and why did you give huge amounts of time and money to Ron Paul? So he could get huge support and win the Presidency. We just went after the completely wrong base, GOP voters, who are 85% die-hard pro Iraq War and pro USA PATRIOT Act.

You just said he won't get any big amount of support--so, do you think he is going to win at the Convention? How is he going to do that, without huge support? And if he did, 70% of Republican voters would still be against him and laugh at the Convention results. But only a complete psychotic retard could ever think Ron Paul will win at the Convention, let alone get to speak at it. Speak at it? He is against the war and against McCain, he said he wouldn't endorse him.

They will not let him speak. And what good will it do. Buchanan spoke at the convention.

Listen, people are constantly asking me, "When is Ron Paul going to announce that he is running independent?" They are desperate for it.


If you want Ron Paul to run for 3rd party then you are unfaithful and coward!

I'm so tired of this crap!

If you don't want Ron Paul to run indy, then you don't want what's best for this country. If you don't think he can win, then you are being willfully blind, and contradicting what you thought for so long: it was going to be extremely, awesomely tough for him to win the Nomination considering that 85% of GOP voters were for the war, but you supported him then, and you thought he could win it, and win the general if he got it.

And, by the way, how about you go join the military and join me and all those troops that were trying their hardest to send a message to Ron Paul and the country by donating overwhelmingly to him. Aholes.

I have given so much to Ron Paul, but I also have hope that he will win the white house... even if it means going iNDY, which I think is, by far, the best option.

You want me to put up or shut up, well then here (this is besides the over 300 cold calls and 200 houses I've canvassed, plus more crap--this doesn't count the $100 for the MLK money bomb, the $51 for the Anniversary money bomb, the 250 for the danged blimp, the 250 for something else I don't even remember now, plus 100 here and another 100 there, plus about 75 for my meetup collection baskets!):

this doesn't include another 100 and 100 for his congressional seat

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My dad's doesn't show up, even though he gave 100.




Paul has said repeatedly that he will not run 3rd party. Why would he lie to us like that?

No he hasn't!

He was absolutely right--and honest--to say that he "has no intention of going iNDEPENDENT or Third Party" because, right now (at least before today's results), his only intention is to win the Republican nomination. He 100% fully intends (or intended) to wholeheartedly run and try his best to win as a Republican while he is running as such, and he says so. He has NEVER, EVER said "I will not run iNDY". He has never, ever said "I will never run iNDY". But IF it becomes clear he cannot win the nomination, then he can go independent.

I would be very, very, very sad if he didn't go iNDY. He could win it, especially against Hillary (and she seems like the chosen one (it's all about the superdelegates).

Ron Paul said that he will continue to run as long as he continues to get support: canvassing and financing. He's not stupid. He will be able to see when continuing to run Republican will be a futile waste. Then if he has the support he mentioned, he will have to keep going. Key points:

1. A brokered convention is not going to happen.

2. Canvassing is done for almost all the states as of now, unless he goes iNDY. If he goes iNDY, on the other hand, we would have 7 months to canvass and get 200,000 plus precinct captains.

3. ...:

my dad said he'd donate another 500 to Paul (IF he announces 3rd party) (he donated 200 on Dec. 16th--but that was when it seemed like he REALLY could maybe, possibly win the Nom. I would donate 500 the day he declares (even though it will hurt financially), whereas I can't afford to give anymore (I gave just over a 1,100 in Q4 to the cause--so shut up) for his Republican run; and gramps would probably wager another 1776.00

The 2nd and 3rd tier, broader-base of supporters aren't (many or most of them) going to donate MORE--if they already have once--because TO THEM it is obvious or at least nearly certain that he's not going to get the Nom from the Republican party (I'm not saying I believe that--but they DO). However, they would be very willing and enthusiastic about supporting him in an iNDEPENDENT run.


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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/20/poll-an-independent-president/

July 20, 2007, 5:08 pm Poll: An Independent President (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/20/poll-an-independent-president/)

By Megan Thee (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/author/mthee/)

In a New York Times/CBS News Poll taken last week, half of Americans said a president who is neither a Republican nor a Democrat could govern effectively.
And with 6 in 10 Republican primary voters and almost 4 in 10 Democratic primary voters saying they are not satisfied with their party’s current slate of candidates for the presidential nomination, the political environment could be ripe for an independent candidate to break into the race.
[THAT'S HALF]
Michael Bloomberg, a newly minted independent who says he’s not intent on making a run for the White House even though he just switched affiliations, is largely unknown by most Americans. Six in 10 registered voters said they haven’t heard enough about him yet to have an opinion; 9 percent view him favorably; 9 percent unfavorably; and 18 percent said they are undecided.
The current poll suggests that Americans are significantly more optimistic about the chances of a third-party president meeting with success, than they were in 1995 before the Bill Clinton-Bob Dole-Ross Perot contest. In the summer of 1995, just 30 percent of Americans said an independent president could govern effectively and 61 percent said such a president would encounter serious problems dealing with Congress.
Forty-four percent of those polled recently said such a president would have trouble dealing with Congress.

Independents and Republicans are significantly more supportive of a third-party president than are Democrats. Similarly, younger Americans are more open to the idea of an independent president — as respondent age increases, the incidence of those saying an independent could govern effectively decreases.


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Yeah--we couldn't get on the ballots WITH SEVEN MONTHS TO DO SO?! Whatever. What a bunch of crap. How the F did Perot do it? We have way more grassroots than he did. And DON'T SAY, "With his billions." He spent 65 million--look on wikipedia. What cost $65000000 in 1990 would cost $107,402,877.98 in 2007. source: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi


You know what's really "never gonna happen"? The Republican nomination. So for people that want ONE THING and one thing only--Ron Paul to be in the whitehouse--an iNDY run must be discussed. For all you that care more about "changing the GOP", fine--you can continue to argue your point that that would be better than a Ron Paul win in the General.


An independent run is virtually impossible.
The ballot access battle is ridiculously difficult and would never happen
if Ron Paul tried to go independent.

With the sheer numbers of grassroots supporters already keyed in
the feasibility of undercutting the MSM stranglehold in the general election exists.
The organization does not cease to exist - who wants to abandon hope?
Not while we are still organized - that would be nuts.
Let us keep this thing together - no matter what.

The biggest part of making a third-party run is already in place.

The only realistic choice is to go with the Libertarian Party.

I won't vote for anyone but Ron Paul, no matter what happens.

But all this is still premature - let's wait for the results.
It is only a few hours until all the rest of the cards are on the table.


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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287190,00.html
FOX News Poll: Third Party President Good for Country

Thursday, June 28, 2007
By Dana Blanton
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Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from June 26 to June 27. The poll has a 3-point error margin.
More than twice as many voters think it would be good for the country if an independent candidate were to win the White House in 2008 than think it would be bad (45 percent good, 19 percent bad). In addition, there is rare partisan agreement on the issue as 42 percent of Democrats and 44 percent of Republicans think electing an independent candidate would be good for the country, as do 56 percent of self-described independents.
• Click here to view full results of the poll. (pdf) (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/062807_release_web.pdf)
Furthermore, a 67 percent majority says they would consider casting their ballot for an independent — including more than 6 in 10 Democrats and Republicans.
Even so, most people believe independent candidates have little chance of success: 31 percent of voters think a qualified independent has a reasonable chance of winning a presidential election, while a 63 percent majority thinks it’s unlikely.
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[colecrowe]

AHHHHHHH STOP IT GOT DAMN IT!!!!!

HE WON'T GET THE HUGE SUPPORT YOU THINK HE WILL IN ANY POLL!!!!

STOP BEING DELUSIONAL!

You are part of the people that make the grassroots look like idiots and lunatics. Fucking stop it.

Look at your post again and tell me who looks like an idiot. You guys do so much in Grassroots Central, don't you? What are you all here for anyway, if you don't support "RON PAUL'S 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN"?

I think about 80% of the 200 or so thousand people that donated, and most the people that canvassed wished and still wish that he would go independent. He polled at 11-15% as an independent candidate in a national poll asking Obama, McCain, Bloomberg or Paul

Whereas he never got above 8% in the GOP base.

And only the GOP base has been canvassed and targeted.

[colecrowe]

Please move this thread back into Grassroots Central or give us a forum.

[colecrowe]

GREAT!

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just pledged to the whitehouse site,

also everyone if you will not support the GOP Nominee unless it's Paul

Sign this petition that will be released to state GOPs http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/notogop/

[colecrowe]

GREAT!

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Now that McCain apparently has the nomination locked up (barring an assassination or other unforseen event), 3rd Party is now the way to go. I believe that Dr. Paul was holding off on a third party announcement to make sure he won his congressional primary.

If he doesn't run 3rd Party, it will be extremely difficult for him to raise money and keep the his supporters from being demoralized. He does have a lot of delegates, and they could still go to the convention and raise hell and raise awareness of his campaign. By staying a Republican candidate at this point, he simply won't be generating any excitement. There is so much dissatisfaction with the Obama, Hillary, and McCain that it's conceivable that Dr. Paul could win a plurality. Especially so, since the economy is becoming the main issue -- and he wipes the floor with all of them on economics.

They will, of course, try to keep him out of the debates, but if he starts gaining significant support in the polls, that will be tough to do.

The rumor on lewrockwell.com is that he's already talking with Bob Barr for a 3rd Party run.

[colecrowe]

GREAT!

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im voting ron paul in the general. if the gop fails to nominate him,then its up to us to run him or vote for someone else with his message which means outside of the 2 old parties.


anyone that says he wont or cant run outside of the party is giving up . it's up to us if he runs ,if he doesn't then the republican party will continue to self destruct then we can try to build within the party but if that failes in 4 yrs then we need to let them go away and build something new ,if there is anything left to build after the republican party destroys itself

[colecrowe]

GREAT!

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[PennCustom4RP]

People voicing their support for Paul running third party or Indy because they strongly believe that the other options for president of the united states could be catastrophic at this point in time makes the grassroots look like lunatics and idiots? Get over yourself...

I will support paul as a republican or as an independent or as a third party. Its his choice to make and I support him and only him for president no matter what. I have no loyalty to the GOP regardless of whether I have voted the party my entire voting life or not. I hope paul does run Indy but I understand the reasons against it and will support his decision if he decides to again confirm his "no intention" to do so....grudgingly.

Calling supporters of his idiots and lunatics for hoping he runs third party makes you look like the idiot imo.

^^^What Grizzums said...Im with that and only reg GOP to vote for RP! Add me... have been thinking on this since super tues...

Colecrowe dont let Zera with a Feb join date and all of 26 posts get to you...ignore!! Same said for any other GOP loyalist who mixes in dissent on RP continuing...to them the GOP is more important than RP in the Whitehouse.

If they ban you/me/us...start another forum...but TX is done, the GOP nom is done...the only course is the alternative, or quit...I prefer the alternative!

[Columbia Blue]

3rd party run is the only viable option at this point. Count me in as well.

[intelliot]

Independents never win. When was the last time we had an independent for President?

[qh4dotcom]

I am hoping that at least someone Ron Paul endorses runs 3rd party.

[menoname]

Would Ron Paul have to give up his seat in Congress if he went third party? If yes, then it wouldn't be a good idea. Rome wasn't built in a day you know.

[OptionsTrader]

I am a member of the Libertarian party as of recently. I want Ron to do whatever he strategically thinks is best however. And if a LP run is in the cards, I find it difficult to understand why I just busted my ass getting him 7 delegates to go to the Republican county convention, since my voting in the primary as an (R) disqualifies me from voting in the LP convention coming up.

[OptionsTrader]

Independents never win. When was the last time we had an independent for President?

When was the last time we had a black president or a woman president?

First of a kinds do happen....

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

By the way, looks like Hillary has made a real comeback on the Dem side by winning in both Ohio and Texas. She still has a strong chance of winning their nomination. It would be utterly stupid not for Ron Paul to run if it's a Hillary-McCain race. That leaves such a bad taste in the mouths of independents that we would have a serious shot at capturing many of them. Not to mention the enraged anti-war Obama people who are feeling cheated by Hillary's underhanded tactics. Equally important, she would also stand a much better chance than Obama of getting trashed by McCain and losing due to her unpopularity. If that happens, the GOP loyalists can say goodbye to their reform attempts. The neo-cons will grin, sit back for the next four years, and have their position completely validated within the Republican Party, at least from the standpoint that it can etch out a victory.

If we get a Hillary-McCain race, Ron Paul is all but guaranteed to poll the 10-15% required to get into the debates with the two. Many here wanted him to continue on some vague assumption he would be able to speak to a national audience at the convention. Wouldn't it be twenty times better to have Ron Paul debating Hillary and McCain on a national stage, which we have a much better chance of achieving, if he will declare an independent run in the next few months?

[speciallyblend]

By the way, looks like Hillary has made a real comeback on the Dem side by winning in both Ohio and Texas. She still has a strong chance of winning their nomination. It would be utterly stupid not for Ron Paul to run if it's a Hillary-McCain race. That leaves such a bad taste in the mouths of independents that we would have a serious shot at capturing many of them. Not to mention the enraged anti-war Obama people who are feeling cheated by Hillary's underhanded tactics. Equally important, she would also stand a much better chance than Obama of getting trashed by McCain and losing due to her unpopularity. If that happens, the GOP loyalists can say goodbye to their reform attempts. The neo-cons will grin, sit back for the next four years, and have their position completely validated within the Republican Party, at least from the standpoint that it can etch out a victory.

If we get a Hillary-McCain race, Ron Paul is all but guaranteed to poll the 10-15% required to get into the debates with the two. Many here wanted him to continue on some vague assumption he would be able to speak to a national audience at the convention. Wouldn't it be twenty times better to have Ron Paul debating Hillary and McCain on a national stage, which we have a much better chance of achieving, if he will declare an independent run in the next few months?

THE REAL REPUBLICANS or maybe we need to call a new party something other then the r(it has been tarnished) maybe we can save the republican party ,if not we move on and continue our Revolution. the gop needs us to win a general election,we dont need them to continue the republican platform..

[colecrowe]

bump

[smartguy911]

Dr. Paul keeps saying he has no plans..damn he is saying it in English not French or Chinese. why o why some folks keep talking about this bs 3rd/indep crap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iti14BUEDQw

[colecrowe]

We have hope, we really believe in him, and we feel it is extremely important. Why are you here if you don't want him to be President. Why don't you tell him (all of you) that you will support him no matter what? Why don't you tell him that you will give tons of money to an independent campaign and work your buts off canvassing, etc.?

We should try to convince him. And before he and others say it can't be done (which is silly), how about run a couple infomercials and do a little campaiging, and then see what happens with the nationwide polls and what the reaction is.


Dr. Paul keeps saying he has no plans..damn he is saying it in English not French or Chinese. why o why some folks keep talking about this bs 3rd/indep crap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iti14BUEDQw

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Dr. Paul keeps saying he has no plans..damn he is saying it in English not French or Chinese. why o why some folks keep talking about this bs 3rd/indep crap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iti14BUEDQw

Ron Paul is also saying there's no chance of a brokered convention (as finally proven yesterday). Why is your crowd desperately clinging to the GOP nomination fantasy?

[colecrowe]

Obviously because they don't have hope, and they don't want to have to financially and otherwise support a real run for the presidency. And they don't care about the country.

If I was a wacko, illogical, conspiracy theorist like most the people on this forum, I would say they are all plants for the GOP.


Ron Paul is also saying there's no chance of a brokered convention (as finally proven yesterday). Why is your crowd desperately clinging to the GOP nomination fantasy?

[BigRedBrent]

we all dislike mccain but those kind of sentiments need to remain unspoken. bad form.

I don't think you know just how much people SHOULD dislike McCain. I never in my entire life thought I would hate someone more then Hillary Clinton.

This is WAR. Don't kid yourself, if we lose it will be every bit as devastating to us as if we had lost a bloody war. Get with it people, we are fighting not just for what we think is right, we are fighting for our very lives as a free people. Get off your ass and start fighting like your lives depend upon it, as they very well do, even if you will not understand why until you are kicking yourself for not seeing it in the future if we have lost.

This is not a political battle, this is a WAR that we are trying for now to win peacefully. If we do not win this war, we will have another war in the future (if true patriots still exist) that will not be so peaceful.

[IDefendThePlatform]

By the way, looks like Hillary has made a real comeback on the Dem side by winning in both Ohio and Texas. She still has a strong chance of winning their nomination. It would be utterly stupid not for Ron Paul to run if it's a Hillary-McCain race. That leaves such a bad taste in the mouths of independents that we would have a serious shot at capturing many of them. Not to mention the enraged anti-war Obama people who are feeling cheated by Hillary's underhanded tactics. Equally important, she would also stand a much better chance than Obama of getting trashed by McCain and losing due to her unpopularity. If that happens, the GOP loyalists can say goodbye to their reform attempts. The neo-cons will grin, sit back for the next four years, and have their position completely validated within the Republican Party, at least from the standpoint that it can etch out a victory.

If we get a Hillary-McCain race, Ron Paul is all but guaranteed to poll the 10-15% required to get into the debates with the two. Many here wanted him to continue on some vague assumption he would be able to speak to a national audience at the convention. Wouldn't it be twenty times better to have Ron Paul debating Hillary and McCain on a national stage, which we have a much better chance of achieving, if he will declare an independent run in the next few months?

Excellent points. The other thing we have going for us is that the economy is getting worse by the day and more and more people want real change this election. I agree, Hillary vs. McCain is an ideal setup for a Paul third party run.

I used to be in favor of an indy run, but I think from a ballot access standpoint it is better to go third party now that some of the deadlines have passed. If we can get the Constitution party to draft him as their nominee at their convention on April 26th in Kansas City, then the fun begins. Again.

Please contact Dr. P and BEG him to run third party:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/form

Also, consider contacting the constitution party and asking them to nominate Dr. P:

https://secure.giftwrapplus.org/cpnc/eu/contactus/

[Bro.Butch]

im voting ron paul in the general. if the gop fails to nominate him,then its up to us to run him or vote for someone else with his message which means outside of the 2 old parties.


anyone that says he wont or cant run outside of the party is giving up . it's up to us if he runs ,if he doesn't then the republican party will continue to self destruct then we can try to build within the party but if that failes in 4 yrs then we need to let them go away and build something new ,if there is anything left to build after the republican party destroys itself

Bravo,

[rvl]

the only way he could pull it off would be to have a huge backer/second seat candidate that could fund it. Without a large war chest, he would kill Mccain's chances, which I believe the better choice between the remaining candidates.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

the only way he could pull it off would be to have a huge backer/second seat candidate that could fund it. Without a large war chest, he would kill Mccain's chances, which I believe the better choice between the remaining candidates.

Good. McCain needs to be annihilated by a Ron Paul or Bob Barr third party run. There is no hope of reforming the GOP if he wins.

[defe07]

I don't know if Dr. Paul would want to run as an Indy or 3rd party candidate, it's up to him. However, I wouldn't mind if we switched our support for other candidates that are pro-freedom like Jesse Ventura, Bob Barr or Gary Johnson. I think we should respect Dr. Paul's decision if he decides not to run as an Indy or 3rd party candidate but we could have him endorse a Ventura/Barr ticket or something like that.

[BigRedBrent]

I don't know if Dr. Paul would want to run as an Indy or 3rd party candidate, it's up to him. However, I wouldn't mind if we switched our support for other candidates that are pro-freedom like Jesse Ventura, Bob Barr or Gary Johnson. I think we should respect Dr. Paul's decision if he decides not to run as an Indy or 3rd party candidate but we could have him endorse a Ventura/Barr ticket or something like that.

I would only go for it if Ron Paul was appointed as the official head economic and foreign policy advisory.

[Meatwasp]

we all dislike mccain but those kind of sentiments need to remain unspoken. bad form.

I agree!!!

[liberteebell]

Dr. Paul keeps saying he has no plans..damn he is saying it in English not French or Chinese. why o why some folks keep talking about this bs 3rd/indep crap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iti14BUEDQw

Some of us are still talking about this "bs 3rd/indep crap" because we actually believe that our beloved country is on the fast track to destruction and this is our last and best chance to save it. So maybe I'm stupid. But Ron Pauls don't show up every day. I doubt that in my lifetime, there will be another chance like this.

By the way, I'm working to reform the republican party and have no plans to stop (at least until it becomes clear that the party can't be reformed) but I'd still 110% support an independent run by Ron Paul and I'm writing in Ron Paul no matter what.