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ChooseLiberty
03-04-2008, 12:24 PM
Guess what? AIPAC and Israel are involved in espionage against the US!



Two former senior analysts for Aipac, Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, are charged with violating the World War I-era Espionage Act when they told colleagues, journalists and Israeli Embassy officials information about Iran and Iraq they had learned from talking to high-level United States policymakers.

Unless the government suddenly backs down, the courtroom will become the stage for an extraordinary parade of top officials being forced to testify about some of the unseen ways American foreign policy is made.

Over the strong objections of the Justice Department, the judge in the case ruled that the defense may call as witnesses Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state; Stephen J. Hadley, the White House national security adviser; Elliot Abrams, a deputy national security adviser; Richard L. Armitage, former deputy secretary of state; Paul D. Wolfowitz, former deputy defense secretary; and a dozen other Bush administration foreign policy officials.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/washington/03aipac.html?_r=1&ref=world&pagewanted=all

acptulsa
03-04-2008, 12:51 PM
The MSM reaction to this will be very enlightening. Of course, it will tell us far more about the MSM than about the case, but that will be enlightening...

ChooseLiberty
03-04-2008, 01:00 PM
I'm just really surprised this wasn't quashed somehow.

Maybe AIPAC / Israel are losing some hold over the MSM and the gubmint.

Eroberer
03-04-2008, 01:57 PM
AIPAC should have been on trial years ago, it just keeps getting pushed back.

ChooseLiberty
03-04-2008, 02:19 PM
I'd like to know who the judge is that ordered up Rice and Wolfowitz.

Me like.

IcyPeaceMaker
03-04-2008, 02:21 PM
This video (0:51) tells of the insidious nature of AIPAC and the harm it does to America and the world: http://www.sprword.com/videos/aipac

ChooseLiberty
03-04-2008, 02:27 PM
Isn't that the Dutch documentary? If so, it's good. It's in my signature already. :)

That site has quite a few interesting documentaries.

http://www.sprword.com/mustwatch.html





This video (0:51) tells of the insidious nature of AIPAC and the harm it does to America and the world: http://www.sprword.com/videos/aipac

IcyPeaceMaker
03-04-2008, 05:39 PM
This is GREAT news, that ANYONE has the balls to challenge that insideous gang, THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT. YAAAAAAHOOOO!!!! I'm lovin it!

Geronimo
03-04-2008, 06:00 PM
I'm digging it.
http://digg.com/world_news/Trial_to_Offer_Look_at_World_of_Information_Tradin g

kyleAF
03-04-2008, 06:05 PM
interesting.

Damn lobbyists.

ChooseLiberty
03-04-2008, 06:06 PM
The curtain has been pulled back.

Something is changing. :)



This is GREAT news, that ANYONE has the balls to challenge that insideous gang, THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT. YAAAAAAHOOOO!!!! I'm lovin it!

IcyPeaceMaker
03-04-2008, 06:54 PM
This is something every American should read and understand, the nature of the beast that plagues the USA:
Reclaiming America’s “National” Indentity From The Jews! | Real Jew News

Written by a Jew (a real one)
WHY JEWS DESPISE THE IDEA OF AMERICAN “NATIONHOOD”

Here are 3 reason why Jews wage war on American nationalism:


1) The soul of the American nation is built *not* upon ideals such as the Jew-promoted ideas of “democracy” & “equality for all men.” But rather on our common memory of America’s Christian roots, Her heroes, and a shared hope in Christ’s Providential care.

~~ But Jews despise Christianity and hate the Lord Jesus Christ! ~~

2) The soul of the American nation is built upon love for America’s soil upon which Her heroes fought for freedom. These heroes were Christians such as George Washington, Patrick Henry, Jonathan Edwards, Davy Crockett, Daniel Boone, Fanny Crosby, William Jennings Bryan, and Louis T. McFadden.

~~ But Jews despise Christian heroes and their love of the Christian cause! ~~

3) The soul of the American nation is built upon the common culture and customs of America. The customs of America which have formed American culture are Christian holy days such as Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving.

~~ But Jews despise Christian holy days and wage war on all public expressions of love for Christian holy days! ~~

Please see the whole article here: http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=159

ChooseLiberty
03-04-2008, 09:08 PM
I don't think this applies to all Jews or even most Jews.

There should be another category. You can say zionists but that just confuses people. I like the word "extremist". "Extremist Muslims" "Extremist Atheists" "Extremist Christians" "Extremist Jews"

BTW - the Founding Fathers were very non-extremist Christians, and Deists for the most part.


This is something every American should read and understand, the nature of the beast that plagues the USA:
Reclaiming America’s “National” Indentity From The Jews! | Real Jew News

Written by a Jew (a real one)
WHY JEWS DESPISE THE IDEA OF AMERICAN “NATIONHOOD”
...

IcyPeaceMaker
03-04-2008, 09:42 PM
RECLAIMING AMERICA’S
“NATIONAL” IDENTITY FROM THE JEWS!
By Brother Nathanael Kapner - Copyright © 2008
All Articles May Be Reproduced Only With Authorship of Br Nathanael Kapner
& Link To Real Jew News

I GREW UP AS A JEW IN AMERICA. Here’s what I know about American Jews:

* American Jews are *not* “patriotic.”
* American Jews are repelled by the idea of “Americanism.”
* American Jews are “Jews-First” - “Americans-Second.”

This is why Jews disseminate putrid propaganda such as by the Jew, Ben Wattenberg, of the American Enterprise Institute, a Jewish-Neocon lobby:

— “America is the Great Melting Pot where all races are melting and re-forming. Some Anglos fear that America will become a Third World nation. But not to worry. We’re becoming the first universal nation.” — “Melt, Melting, Melted,” Jewish World Review, March 19 2001.

Jews like Wattenberg are indeed “universalists.” For Jews wage war on the Christian-Biblical concept of nations: “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.” (Psalm 33)

Jews like Wattenberg wish to create a New World Order with Jews in charge *not* the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the essence of Jewish “messianism” which envisions a carnal “messiah” or a “messianic age.”

But all of this means that Jews with their Jewish world view of “diversity,” (yet Jews remain powerfully “uniform!”), will be in charge.

rpfreedom08
03-04-2008, 09:59 PM
yeay for people waking up!

Geronimo
03-05-2008, 06:09 AM
Maybe it's just me but I don't really consider Wolfowitz or Condi credible witnesses to call to the stand.

Geronimo
03-06-2008, 08:30 PM
Has anyone heard any thing more on this?

ChooseLiberty
03-06-2008, 09:52 PM
There's probably all kinds of lobbying and string pulling going on behind the scenes to dismiss this and keep it out of the media.

Congrats to the NYT for publishing it to begin with - surprising.

ChooseLiberty
03-06-2008, 09:55 PM
http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/lobby_what_lobby/

Phantom
03-06-2008, 09:58 PM
The link below is packed with articles about zionists israelis/mossad agents spying on America.

THE ISRAELI SPY RING SCANDAL (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring2.html)

sidster
03-06-2008, 11:25 PM
In case anyone has trouble getting to the article...



Trial to Offer Look at World of Information Trading
Kevin Wolf/Associated Press

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/03/us/03aipac.600.jpg
Steven J. Rosen, left, with his lawyer, Abbe Lowell, is charged with violating the World War I-era Espionage Act.



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By NEIL A. LEWIS
Published: March 3, 2008

Correction Appended

WASHINGTON — From its headquarters near the Capitol, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or Aipac, has for decades played an important though informal role in the formation of the United States government’s Middle East policy.
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Kevin Wolf/Associated Press

Keith Weissman is also charged with violating the Espionage Act.

Aipac, which does not work directly for Israel or its government, lobbies in Washington to advance Israel’s interests. Its officials assiduously maintain contact with senior policymakers, lawmakers, diplomats and journalists. Those conversations are typical of the unseen world of information trading in Washington, where people customarily and insistently ask each other, “So, what are you hearing?”

But a trial scheduled for late April in federal court in Alexandria, Va., threatens to expose and upend that system. Moreover, the case comes with issues of enormous sensitivity and emotion, notably the nature and extent of the ways American Jewish supporters of Israel try to influence the United States government.

Two former senior analysts for Aipac, Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, are charged with violating the World War I-era Espionage Act when they told colleagues, journalists and Israeli Embassy officials information about Iran and Iraq they had learned from talking to high-level United States policymakers.

Unless the government suddenly backs down, the courtroom will become the stage for an extraordinary parade of top officials being forced to testify about some of the unseen ways American foreign policy is made.

Over the strong objections of the Justice Department, the judge in the case ruled that the defense may call as witnesses Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state; Stephen J. Hadley, the White House national security adviser; Elliot Abrams, a deputy national security adviser; Richard L. Armitage, former deputy secretary of state; Paul D. Wolfowitz, former deputy defense secretary; and a dozen other Bush administration foreign policy officials.

The defense’s goal is to demonstrate that the kind of conversations in the indictment are an accepted, if not routine, way that American policy on Israel and the Middle East has been formulated for years.

Mr. Rosen’s lawyer, Abbe Lowell, said the case raised “strange and troubling issues, notably the decision to target Aipac for common and proper behavior that goes on in Washington every day.”

Mr. Lowell and John Nassikas III, who represents Mr. Weissman, plan to confront Ms. Rice and the other witnesses with explicit examples of exchanges in which they provided similar sensitive information to Aipac staff members as part of the regular back-channel world of diplomacy.

Although Aipac has not been charged in the case, the trial, to be heard by Judge T. S. Ellis III, will revolve around how the group, renowned for its effectiveness in presenting Israel’s case, exerts its influence in Congress and, especially in recent years, on the executive branch.

For Aipac and to some extent the larger pro-Israel community in the United States, the charges against Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman could raise what they regard as an unfair, even toxic question about whether some American Jews hold a loyalty to Israel that matches or exceeds their loyalty to the United States.

The trial will also take place only months after the eruption of an intense public debate about the American Jewish supporters of Israel that was occasioned by the publication of an article and book, “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy.” The authors, John J. Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen M. Walt of Harvard University, argue that the pro-Israel lobby successfully suppresses legitimate criticism of Israel and uses its influence to distort the public debate about Middle East policy.

Their views produced a ferocious counterattack in magazines and scholarly journals in which both their facts and conclusions were challenged.

The trial will as well be shadowed by the case of Jonathan Pollard, a civilian analyst for the Navy who was sentenced to life in prison in 1985 for spying on behalf of Israel. There is no question that the charges against Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman are vastly different than the actions of Mr. Pollard, who knowingly acted as a spy by stealing sensitive documents and passing them covertly to Israeli agents.

The emotional resonance of his case continues, however, because it directly raised the notion of dual loyalty and because his supporters think he has been denied parole to satisfy a national security community that was deeply angered over Israel’s spying on the United States.

Avi Beker, who teaches what he calls “Jewish diplomacy” at the University of Tel Aviv and Georgetown University, said that while the two cases are greatly different, “they evoke a parallel psychological effect” both among American Jews who have an enduring anxiety about the dual loyalty charge and those who are suspicious of the Israel lobby.

Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman each face one charge of conspiracy to communicate national defense information, and Mr. Rosen faces an additional charge of aiding and abetting the conspiracy.

Justice Department officials would not discuss the case. But at the time of the indictment in 2005, Paul J. McNulty, then the chief prosecutor in the Eastern District of Virginia, said, “Those not authorized to receive classified information must resist the temptation to acquire it, no matter what their motivation may be.”

According to the indictment, the defendants received sensitive information from at least three government sources that was passed on to journalists and Israeli officials. One of the sources was Lawrence A. Franklin, a Pentagon analyst who has pleaded guilty to passing on sensitive information to a journalist and an Israeli diplomat. Mr. Franklin has been sentenced to more than 12 years in prison.

After Mr. Franklin was arrested in 2004, he became a cooperating witness for the government and, while wearing a wire, met with Mr. Weissman and told him that Iran had learned that Israeli agents were in northern Iraq. Mr. Weissman, according to the indictment, told Mr. Rosen, and they both relayed that information to an Israeli diplomat and intelligence officer and an unnamed Washington Post reporter later identified as Glenn Kessler.

The other two sources of information received by Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman are identified in the indictment only as Government Official-1 and Government Official-2. Kenneth Pollack, who was the National Security Council specialist on the Persian Gulf, said in an interview that he thought he was Government Official-1 because on Dec. 12, 2000, he had had lunch with Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman.

Mr. Pollack, who is no longer with the government, said that he told government investigators, “I never revealed any classified information to Rosen and Weissman, and I never revealed any information that would be harmful to the security or interests of the United States.”

The indictment also charges that Mr. Rosen received information in January 2002 from Government Official-2, who has been identified by people involved in the case as David M. Satterfield, who has since been promoted to the post of the State Department’s senior adviser on Iraq. A spokesman for Mr. Satterfield would not comment.

Mr. Lowell, the defense lawyer, said there had been no explanation as to why neither Mr. Pollack nor Mr. Satterfield seemed to be in any legal jeopardy for imparting information to Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman that became part of the charges against them when they passed that information on to others.

Aipac, which spends nearly $2 million annually in lobbying, according to public filings, has worked to distance itself from the defendants.

Aipac dismissed them in early 2004 after federal prosecutors in Virginia played part of surreptitiously recorded conversations for Nathan Lewin, a veteran Washington lawyer representing Aipac. The tapes were of conversations in which Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman passed on information about the Middle East they had received from government officials to Mr. Kessler at The Washington Post.

Mr. Lewin, who has had a long history as a trusted counsel for various Jewish organizations, traveled back to Aipac’s headquarters near Capitol Hill from Alexandria that day and advised the group to fire the men.

The Aipac spokesman on the Rosen-Weissman matter, Patrick Dorton, said at the time that the two men were dismissed because their behavior “did not comport with standards that Aipac expects of its employees.” He said recently that Aipac still held that view of their behavior.

Mr. Lewin would not discuss what he heard that day. But others familiar with the case said the defendants’ boastful tone, which may have been used to suggest that their knowledge reflected their great influence within the administration, made the conversations potentially embarrassing.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: March 6, 2008
An article on Monday about the impending trial of two former senior analysts for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or Aipac, on charges that they violated the Espionage Act, referred incorrectly to Aipac’s work. The organization, a pro-Israel lobby, works in the United States to advance Israel’s interests. It does not work directly for the state of Israel or its government.

Mach
03-07-2008, 02:36 AM
Libby, Clinton, Cheney, Giuliani etc... etc.....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6236

Click her name (Sponsor), thought crimes.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955

Very Inside
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SITE_Institute

Do you know who Founded the NAACP? Here's the list.......

Ida Wells-Barnett, W.E.B. DuBois, Henry Moscowitz, Mary White Ovington, Oswald Garrison Villiard, William English Walling

It was over 10 years before the NAACP even had a Black "Leader"..........

"The NAACP appointed its first African American executive director, JAMES WELDON JOHNSON, in 1920."

"The organization drew many of its original white members from progressive and socialist ranks".....................

http://law.jrank.org/pages/8695/NAACP.html

devil21
03-07-2008, 03:44 AM
But if even Congress can't compel executive branch employees to testify (demonstrated over and over during Bush years) why would a court be able to pull it off? Rice testifying in a criminal trial? LOL keep dreaming.

HOLLYWOOD
03-07-2008, 10:38 AM
But if even Congress can't compel executive branch employees to testify (demonstrated over and over during Bush years) why would a court be able to pull it off? Rice testifying in a criminal trial? LOL keep dreaming.

Yes indeed...

the US Federal Judicial system pertain to only 2 groups;

Wealthy that don't "JOIN The CLUB"

Poor and Middle classes.

Look for hidden legislation for some sort of political Insurance(immunity) for ALL Government EMPLOYEES (I was Only Taking Orders from my superiors... Plea).

There is So Much DISCRIMINATION created by CONGRESS AND US GOVERNMENTS @ ALL LEVELS

Dream On is SO TRUE... We Are All So F**KED!

New Governor Of Alaska
03-07-2008, 02:30 PM
Ralph Nader on Israeli / Jewish Lobby Robbery of Americans
Video - http://youtube.com/watch?v=8rD_rWcDRZQ

constituent
03-07-2008, 05:17 PM
i also see this as a way for the gov't to start going after whistle blowers.

i'm divided.

Mach
03-07-2008, 06:39 PM
The main reason they'll pull before it actually gets anywhere will be... "Top Secret", "Homeland Security" bullshit, the Sibel Edmonds thing was the same way, the jury was ready to come out with their voice and was told to just go home and forget about it.

I've posted this around here a coupla times and no one seems to give a crap, this will give you lessons on how the system works when the truth is ready to be told.


This is just the Trailer, the full film has been pulled off of Google!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOWEUWMNj7M

New Governor Of Alaska
03-08-2008, 10:49 AM
Report: Libby a long-time Israeli intelligence agent
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6236


Libby a long-time Israeli intelligence agent? Well, Ariel Sharon tells the real story:

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.

http://bbsnews.net/bbsn_photos/topics/Timely_Figures/bush_sharon_2004_04_14.jpg



On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us. "Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America."
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
http://christianparty.net/sharon.htm


According the Israeli Hebrew radio Kol Yisrael Wednesday, Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and turn the US against us.
At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying "every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying what he said in public, because "it would cause us a public relations disaster."

http://americandefenseleague.com/onaleash.htm


Sharon to Peres: "Don't worry about American pressure; we control America"
http://www.wrmea.com/html/newsitem_s.htm

cageybee
03-08-2008, 11:02 AM
what if Zionists turned against America?

IcyPeaceMaker
03-08-2008, 04:49 PM
what if Zionists turned against America?
WTF makes you think they haven't?

cageybee
03-08-2008, 06:18 PM
WTF makes you think they haven't?

if they are against America, whose side are they on?

ChooseLiberty
03-08-2008, 06:41 PM
A parasite can't kill it's host until it finds a new host.

;)

ChooseLiberty
04-22-2008, 06:09 PM
any more news on this?