Barack Obama is a Socialist....

[tbrambo]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vMatmRZZxVQ

[Lois]

Cool - thanks ! :)

[Aratus]

Obama is actually a variation on the basic New Deal democrat!
neat OBJECTIVIST video, however! TRES AYN RAND!!!! the focus
of this is the fine line that seperates Norman Thomas from Wendel Wilkie.
i say often that in Bay Stater terms, Mitt Romney is a CENTRIST flipflopper.
when our 52% in the poll went one way, he went flip...then when a three
or five percent bolted from the fold... flop! mitt romney is not a liberal...
Obama's ideas are a continuation of FDR's FOUR FREEDOMs! [this is liberalism!]
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/workbook/ralprs36b.htm

[pcosmar]

Obama is actually a variation on the basic New Deal democrat!
neat OBJECTIVIST video, however! TRES AYN RAND!!!! the focus
of this is the fine line that seperates Norman Thomas from Wendel Wilkie.
i say often that in Bay Stater terms, Mitt Romney is a CENTRIST flipflopper.
when our 52% in the poll went one way, he went flip...then when a three
or five percent bolted from the fold... flop! mitt romney is not a liberal...
Obama's ideas are a continuation of FDR's FOUR FREEDOMs! [this is liberalism!]
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/workbook/ralprs36b.htm

Barack Obama is a Collectivist.
So is Hillery and McCain.
All the other labels are irrelevant.

LEFT VS. RIGHT: THE ILLUSION OF OPPOSITES
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=left_right&refpage=issues

[Aratus]

methinks mike gravel walks away from the democrats... for a reason...
i do wish he was more open to the veep position for the Libertarians.

[Kade]

Obama is actually a variation on the basic New Deal democrat!
neat OBJECTIVIST video, however! TRES AYN RAND!!!! the focus
of this is the fine line that seperates Norman Thomas from Wendel Wilkie.
i say often that in Bay Stater terms, Mitt Romney is a CENTRIST flipflopper.
when our 52% in the poll went one way, he went flip...then when a three
or five percent bolted from the fold... flop! mitt romney is not a liberal...
Obama's ideas are a continuation of FDR's FOUR FREEDOMs! [this is liberalism!]
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/workbook/ralprs36b.htm

You are correct. Again. 95% of the people here have no idea what you are talking about, and about half of them will chime in with something stupid anyway.

[yongrel]

Obama is actually a variation on the basic New Deal democrat!
neat OBJECTIVIST video, however! TRES AYN RAND!!!! the focus
of this is the fine line that seperates Norman Thomas from Wendel Wilkie.
i say often that in Bay Stater terms, Mitt Romney is a CENTRIST flipflopper.
when our 52% in the poll went one way, he went flip...then when a three
or five percent bolted from the fold... flop! mitt romney is not a liberal...
Obama's ideas are a continuation of FDR's FOUR FREEDOMs! [this is liberalism!]
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/workbook/ralprs36b.htm

The only, and I mean ONLY, good thing about FDR's Four Freedoms is that inspired Norman Rockwell to create the Four Freedoms paintings. I myself am partial to Freedom of Speech.

[Kade]

Barack Obama is a Collectivist.
So is Hillery and McCain.
All the other labels are irrelevant.

LEFT VS. RIGHT: THE ILLUSION OF OPPOSITES
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=left_right&refpage=issues

Collectivism as a philosophical theory has a strong backbone. I doubt any here could explain in a coherent manner why this is such an important distinction, and what are the objective pros and cons of both philosophies.

There is a high cost to individualism, and that cost is not being paid by this country, or the people who spout individualistic philosophy.

[Aratus]

cool! a semi-consensus! could i announce to the both of you a totally wild idea i now have? i REALLY want to run for teddy kennedy's seat in 2012... seriously!

[yongrel]

cool! a semi-consensus! could i announce to the both of you a totally wild idea i now have? i REALLY want to run for teddy kennedy's seat in 2012... seriously!

Do it. If for nothing else than my desire to hear your speeches. :p

[Kade]

cool! a semi-consensus! could i announce to the both of you a totally wild idea i now have? i REALLY want to run for teddy kennedy's seat in 2012... seriously!

Not if I get there first =P ... and there is a very high chance that I will be on the campaign of the replacement nominee. I moved up here for one reason only...

[Truth Warrior]

Collectivism as a philosophical theory has a strong backbone. I doubt any here could explain in a coherent manner why this is such an important distinction, and what are the objective pros and cons of both philosophies.

There is a high cost to individualism, and that cost is not being paid by this country, or the people who spout individualistic philosophy.
http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc.html

[Truth Warrior]

What's Obama's historic ADA score? :p

That's all that you need to know. ;)

[Kade]

What's Obama's historic ADA score? :p

That's all that you need to know. ;)

Religious Fascism is the biggest threat this country faces right now, and the article you keep sending me to has no comment on that... but the people it quotes do... including Rand and Peikoff.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

I can tell you anecdotally, as someone that just graduated high-school, that "socialist" no longer carries any sort of negative connotations. It's a very popular concept among our youth, and quite frankly, probably our nation's inevitable future.

[ARealConservative]

You are correct. Again. 95% of the people here have no idea what you are talking about, and about half of them will chime in with something stupid anyway.

You are one of the most ignorant people here!

[Liberty4Free]

We're not worthy Kade. You are the master of these forums. Please enlighten us. :rolleyes:

[yongrel]

C'mon now, guys. Play nice.
http://www.southafricablog.co.za/uploads/2007/06/leopard-and-piggy.jpg

[Michael Ingram]

Obama scares the shit out of me.

[Carehn]

cool! a semi-consensus! could i announce to the both of you a totally wild idea i now have? i REALLY want to run for teddy kennedy's seat in 2012... seriously!

More power to ya bro! any way i can help let me know. i will do what i can.

[bill50]

How did you not know Obama was a socialist? When I hear liberal or democrat I immediately think socialist. Almost all of them are whether they know it or not.

[electronicmaji]

Yep Obama is a socialist, but being realistic he's the only person who can keep the country from going under for the next 4 years. I'll vote for him instead of McCain because I damn well care about my country not going under.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

Disproportionate entitlement programs, continued aggression, and (presumably) even heavier taxation are going to keep the country from going under?

[electronicmaji]

I don't see Obama as a agressor. Secondly, if the taxes are spent on the United States (instead of Iraq) then it does yes help a bit. Finally what matters is we boost our economy after the plight of Bush, even if only temporarily, and Obama's Neo-Liberal economic plan is actually decent for once.

[pcosmar]

I don't see Obama as a agressor. Secondly, if the taxes are spent on the United States (instead of Iraq) then it does yes help a bit. Finally what matters is we boost our economy after the plight of Bush, even if only temporarily, and Obama's Neo-Liberal economic plan is actually decent for once.

I feel so sorry for you.
You are truly deluded into believing the lie that there is any difference between Obama and McCain.
They both have the same handlers.
This Country IS screwed either way.
I can not vote for either, not that I hope they can be defeated, but my conscience will not allow it.

[winston_blade]

I'm not going to lie. McCain would be slightly better on spending than Obama. Of course, that isn't saying much.

[electronicmaji]

I feel so sorry for you.
You are truly deluded into believing the lie that there is any difference between Obama and McCain.
They both have the same handlers.
This Country IS screwed either way.
I can not vote for either, not that I hope they can be defeated, but my conscience will not allow it.

But there is a difference. Of course Obama stands for big goverment, and so does Mccain. But there is a difference when it comes to Republicans and Democrats. When Democrats create Big Goverment it somewhat works, the money goes to people instead of companies. When Republicans do it, not so much.

Socialism is not my favorite political ideal, but im not saying big goverment can't work. Canada taxes the shit out of their population but they have a good amount of efficiency in their big goverment system.

On principle I'm against big goverment. But if you have a candidate who will make big goverment that doesn't work and is only beneficial to big companies vs. a candidate who makes big goverment that works reasonably well and is beneficial to the american job market and to the people i'm gonna have to vote for the latter.

[pcosmar]

But there is a difference when it comes to Republicans and Democrats. When Democrats create Big Goverment it somewhat works, the money goes to people instead of companies.

That is complete and utter bullshit.

I think you may like the Fabian Society. They preach your brand of socialism.

[electronicmaji]

That is complete and utter bullshit.

I think you may like the Fabian Society. They preach your brand of socialism.

Deny it all you want, why of course, some of the tax dollars will go to programs that you may find "pornographic" or "unworthy" it does actually tend to help the economy.

[DAFTEK]

Deny it all you want, why of course, some of the tax dollars will go to programs that you may find "pornographic" or "unworthy" it does actually tend to help the economy.

Your just an Obomba fan, id rather see McPain president before that empty suit Obomba. I sure hope they find something on him soon as it looks more and more like he will win this whole thing with his brainwashing lies of HOPE and Ghange....

[electronicmaji]

Your just an Obomba fan, id rather see McPain president before that empty suit Obomba. I sure hope they find something on him soon as it looks more and more like he will win this whole thing with his brainwashing lies of HOPE and Ghange....

He's not lying, and im not a fan, he stands for change, it might not be your kind of change, but it is a kind of change. But go ahead dismiss anything I see, there is nothing anyone could do to get you to vote for someone whose a socialist, even if it was Kucinich.

[Truth Warrior]

Religious Fascism is the biggest threat this country faces right now, and the article you keep sending me to has no comment on that... but the people it quotes do... including Rand and Peikoff.
http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc.html

[ARealConservative]

He's not lying, and im not a fan, he stands for change, it might not be your kind of change, but it is a kind of change. But go ahead dismiss anything I see, there is nothing anyone could do to get you to vote for someone whose a socialist, even if it was Kucinich.

This isn't a change.

Tax rates on the wealthy have been higher or lower, new deal and great society programs have been around for nearly a century now.

He casts himself as a Washington outsider - that is the only change - perception.