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moostraks
02-29-2008, 12:10 PM
"A CDC expert panel now urges all children ages six months to 18 be vaccinated against flu or influenza in the upcoming 2009-2010 flu season.

A panel of vaccine advisers made that unanimous vote today and the CDC generally follows the panel’s advice. The decision could affect up to 30 million children and marks the largest recommended guideline expansion in U.S. history. "

Read the rest here:
http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/cdc-flu-shot-push-puts-parents-in-dilemma.aspx?googleid=29828

And then they will mandate us...yet:"Officials choose three flu virus strains to target in the vaccine in the upcoming flu season based on the previous year’s flu season. This year, two of the three virus strains included in the vaccine were not a good match to the viruses circulating, said Dr. Adrienne LeBailly, director of the county’s health department."

Read the article here:http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/UPDATES01/80228008/1002/NEWS01

For those who think this is harmless most influenza vaccines in the us contain thimerosal ."Thimerosal is a very effective preservative that has been used since the 1930s to prevent contamination in some multi-dose vials of vaccines (preservatives are not required for vaccines in single dose vials). Thimerosal contains approximately 49% ethylmercury."" Yes, the majority of influenza vaccines distributed in the United States currently contain thimerosal as a preservative. However, some contain only trace amounts of thimerosal and are considered by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to be preservative-free. Manufacturers of preservative-free flu vaccine use thimerosal early in the manufacturing process. The thimerosal gets diluted as the vaccine goes through the steps in processing. By the end of the manufacturing process there is not enough thimerosal left in the vaccine to act as a preservative and the vaccine is labeled "preservative-free"."

source:http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/thimerosal.htm

There is a broad body of evidence linking mercury toxicity to Alzheimers and autisim...If in doubt google search.


Why should we be cramming these shots in our children? Oh yeah...Because the lobbyists enduce fear in the general public because some small percentage of children will die from influenza. As tragic as that is, what about the lack of safe habits because one feels invincible since they have the flu shot and the long term effects of the "other" ingrediants in these shots??? They guess the strains for pete's sake and we are now going to target more children???!!?!?!? Now why would this be coming in a year where two of three strands are ineffective??

"Flu experts and public health officials don't like it when the strains in the flu vaccine aren't an optimal match to the circulating viruses. They know elevated rates of sickness and influenza-related deaths may result.

But they dislike the headlines almost as much, fearing the black-and-white nature of the reporting will undermine fragile public confidence in the value of flu shots.

"It is often portrayed as a kind of 'on' or 'off' kind of thing. There's a match or there's a mismatch. And in that kind of situation, it's a very discomforting presentation for the public health community," says Dr. Keiji Fukuda, co-ordinator of the World Health Organization's Global Influenza Program.

"There is always concern we're really setting up a situation where people would say: 'Oh, why should I get something which is worthless?' ""

Read the rest here:http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hTS-7jXxucXJAm_VRmCkYZwd8J0A

Thoughts anyone???

youngbuck
02-29-2008, 12:32 PM
Giving these kids all these vaccines is basically child abuse IMO.

Cinderella
03-02-2008, 10:19 PM
children have rights too...they should not be forced into getting all these vaccines...i understand that the parents make the decisions for their kidsso if they chose to get them then thats their right...but if a parent refuses then that it...they have a right to refuse it...after researching all the info on vaccines i am now refusing to vaccinate myself and my daughter....how about that new cervical cancer vaccine for women?? i cant tell u how many times my doctor has tried to convince me to get it....oh well....i refuse and thats my right!!

Dr.3D
03-02-2008, 11:18 PM
Seems like parents could claim it is against their religion to get vaccinations. I know some Christian Science people who don't allow it in their religion.

This would be interference with the free practice of religion and therefore unconstitutional.

Mini-Me
03-03-2008, 02:36 AM
Seems like parents could claim it is against their religion to get vaccinations. I know some Christian Science people who don't allow it in their religion.

This would be interference with the free practice of religion and therefore unconstitutional.

Vaccinations forced by the federal government are unconstitutional anyway, because the government is not explicitly given this power. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments clarify this (they don't exactly make it so - they merely explain how the Constitution was meant to be read, thereby avoiding in theory the possibility that government can misconstrue the Constitution to grant more power than it does). The Constitution is no longer relevant in the eyes of the great deciders...

That said, this thread is more about recommendations than mandates (although the line between them is quite thin nowadays...). My first thought about "why now" is very simple and can be summed up in one single character:

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moostraks
03-04-2008, 09:06 AM
Vaccinations forced by the federal government are unconstitutional anyway, because the government is not explicitly given this power. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments clarify this (they don't exactly make it so - they merely explain how the Constitution was meant to be read, thereby avoiding in theory the possibility that government can misconstrue the Constitution to grant more power than it does). The Constitution is no longer relevant in the eyes of the great deciders...

That said, this thread is more about recommendations than mandates (although the line between them is quite thin nowadays...). My first thought about "why now" is very simple and can be summed up in one single character:

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That was where I was getting at with how absurd these recommendations are, their timing is just a bit too convienent. You would be surprised how fast social services is to condemn those who don't abide by the recommendations. Unfit parent is a label easily made when you have huge federal drops of cash for social services intervening in peoples lives...

jmdrake
03-04-2008, 10:16 AM
The scary part of this is that the vaccine they want to give children contains live flu virus!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=54926288

pinkmandy
03-06-2008, 12:02 AM
This is so disgusting to me. Take heart, though, moms are waking up to this. There are many who won't do flu shots, even if they get all the other vaccinations. Baby steps...

Renegades
03-12-2008, 04:43 PM
Maybe because viruses, and bacteria mutate and evolve? :rolleyes:

yongrel
03-13-2008, 07:08 AM
Maybe because viruses, and bacteria mutate and evolve? :rolleyes:

Oh no! That's much too simple. The truth has nothing to do with the basic nature of microbiology and epidemiology! It has everything to do with uninformed panic!

Why educate yourself of the actual science, when it's so much more fun to panic?!

PANICK!!!!!

moostraks
03-13-2008, 04:04 PM
Panic...hmmmm....Maybe instead of being so arrogant you might see this as just a heads up to the freedoms lost . Why not call it being an informed consumer and choosing your battles. I tire of the ever increasing list of foreign substances we are being coerced into giving small children, and I do not buy into the convenient nature of the timing. It is all for the good of the ignorant public, who are too stupid to be able to make an informed decision without being mandated into it.

This is why we have a socialist agenda, because a country with as huge a faith base as we have cannot even get their places of worship to care for the poor. What a sad state of affairs when everyone feels the government can fix all evils in society by deciding what is good for us and then forcing us to do it....

FWIW it is a no brainer the viruses and bacteria mutate. It is also a no brainer that the pharmaceutical companies use the government to protect their bottem line.

Dr.3D
03-13-2008, 04:58 PM
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This is why we have a socialist agenda, because a country with as huge a faith base as we have cannot even get their places of worship to care for the poor. What a sad state of affairs when everyone feels the government can fix all evils in society by deciding what is good for us and then forcing us to do it....
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Maybe if the government would get is hand out of peoples pockets, they would have enough money to care for the poor, instead of the government trying to do it for them.

moostraks
03-13-2008, 08:31 PM
Maybe if the government would get is hand out of peoples pockets, they would have enough money to care for the poor, instead of the government trying to do it for them.

I would say qft but I live in Atlanta with a mega church on every corner with gold chandeliers. It isn't that they aren't getting money it is that the money is being taxed out of us to pay for the social welfare programs so the churches spend the money on fixtures and big screen tvs.....:(

pinkmandy
03-13-2008, 10:57 PM
Flu vaccines are also recommended for pregnant women by our own CDC and have been for years.

As of LAST YEAR (maybe now as well, haven't checked this year) the vaccine manufacturers warned that the flu vaccinations are a Class C drug and should not be taken by pregnant women. They also had not be tested for safety on a developing fetus. This was on their sites, listed in their warnings.

Now why would our own govt advise pregnant women to get a vaccination that is a Class C drug?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Panic? Not hardly. They are testing vaccines on developing babies with our govt's permission. Nice, huh?

Renegades
03-14-2008, 12:58 AM
Now I wonder how many of you are vaccinated and not complaining that you didn't die young from the flu. :confused:

zoi
03-20-2008, 11:51 AM
It's called disease mongering. Follow the money...it leads to BIG PHARMA!