Did Soviets really "invade" Afghanistan?

[cageybee]

In this PBS transcript (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/afghanistan/afghan_11-17-83.html), Reagan insisted it was an invasion.

But, this 1998 interview with Z. Brzezinski (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html) who was Carter's national security adviser at the time of the "Soviet Invasion" proves that it wasn't an invasion, but a rescue mission to defend Afghanistan from a US led attempt at destroying the Afghanistan government that had a very strong, 60 years old relation with the Soviets. US succeeded and got away with being exposed as the root cause of the destruction of the Afghanistan and ultimately their relation with the Soviets/Russia. And in addition, US is ultimately responsible for all the misery Afghanistan "enjoys" till this day.

P.S. Please, before you make any comments, make sure you read both articles completely to understand the point I am making.

[cageybee]

If you must digg, http://digg.com/political_opinion/Did_Soviets_really_invade_Afghanistan

[Meatwasp]

Cageybee (KGB)
I prefere to live under capitalism than Communism. If you are against everything America does why aren't you living in Russia?
Read your history and please remember all those piles of bones the communist Viet Con killed.
and also the millions that died of starvation in the Ukrain.
I don't know why I bother to read your propaganda

[cageybee]

Cageybee (KGB)
I prefere to live under capitalism than Communism. If you are against everything America does why aren't you living in Russia?
Read your history and please remember all those piles of bones the communist Viet Con killed.
and also the millions that died of starvation in the Ukrain.
I don't know why I bother to read your propaganda

i really think you brain is suffering damage. buddy, when will you realize that you are a victim of sociological mind control weapons?

first of all, where exactly in this post and in my previous posts I said that communism is a good thing and that communism is the best thing for US???

i live here, because this country ruined my life once elsewhere. this is sad really, but i have nothing against this country. i even served 8 years on active duty for this country. i just know that this government is the most corrupted evil and human-life-hating government in the world. Actually, its not a government - it is MAFIA. The people that live here don't know that. And people that live here are really good people. But the problem is that American people unknowingly and unwillingly supporting a government that loves to exploit other nations.

Just read Maj General Taguba's story http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/06/25/070625fa_fact_hersh?printable=true

AND MAKE SURE YOU READ THE ARTICLES IN MY PREVIOUS POST COMPLETELY AS I REQUESTED IT BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY COMMENTS. YOU ARE REALLY ANNOYING WITH YOUR STUPIDITY.

[Meatwasp]

I am not your buddy I am a she and I read where you said it was justified to kill all those people in Russia and that is what turned me off. Once the finger writ neither wit will erase a bit of it.
My mother came from the Czech republic and she had a lot to say to me when I was growing up.
Sure the U.S. is not perfect but it is the best we have

[cageybee]

I am not your buddy I am a she and I read where you said it was justified to kill all those people in Russia and that is what turned me off. Once the finger writ neither wit will erase a bit of it.
My mother came from the Czech republic and she had a lot to say to me when I was growing up.
Sure the U.S. is not perfect but it is the best we have

they were justiified because people kept believing that "democracy" is a good thing for them at that time without thinking. without realizing that it would actually hurt them much more than just killed. because they were idiots. and because they did not understand that Globalists were trying to COLONIZE Russia just like they did with US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the rest of the British Colonies. The REAL nationalists of Russia would never allow their country be colonized by other nations. They closed their country from the outside because they were an undeveloped nation that could be outright purchased by Globalists. But idiots kept running around screaming that "democracy" is a great thing without thinking of damages and that the country must be closed to the foreigners who are trying to buy everything with fiat money.

My 4 year old daughter makes me sick sometimes when she thinks she is right.

Warren Buffett had put it in a prophetic Fortune article more than four years ago, a country that goes too far down the road like the US has can be "colonized by purchase rather than conquest."

Why do you think Hitler and Stalin were close friends at first and then Hitler betrayed Stalin? I'll tell you why.

Stalin was a nationalist. Hitler presented himself as a nationalist, but he was a decoy of the Globalists who betrayed Stalin later. They at first shared ideas because Stalin thought that Hitler was a really good guy that looks out for Germany and that they both shared same bad views about any attempts of colonization by the Brits or Americans. But, Hitler was actually a decoy of Globalists who was supposed to conquer Russia. He attacked Stalin and got beat by Stalin for his betrayal and lies to the Germans as if he cared about Germany and as if he was Germany's noble man.

[Meatwasp]

My som wanted to answer you so the below is what he wrote. Also he didn't read any of the other comments from your other thread. Also just currious what country you fled???


You must be careful that after a bad experience at the hands of one system, you don't embrace another system that is more distasteful, simply because if the first has done wrong, the other has to be better. Nothing will ever change to the better if all of us justify the evils of our chosen team. We can fight and jab at each other until the end of time over the evils of the players and miss the truth, we can let the justifiers hide the solutions. We must remember that despite all the troubles, life is good, and that all of our frenzied quests for utopia, will create the very hell we are afraid of. What would one think of a parent who thought of every thing for his child, kept him protected from any perceived mistake, hovered over the child’s every move, to ensure, safety, success, and obedience to the parent’s will. Totalitarianism, regardless of whatever flag, banner, or promise of good things or protections to come, erodes the spirit of mankind, and causes us to embark upon a downward spiral of extinction.

[Nailhead]

the jews want you to think that the soviets invaded afghanistan so that is what they tell everyone

[cageybee]

My som wanted to answer you so the below is what he wrote. Also he didn't read any of the other comments from your other thread. Also just currious what country you fled???


You must be careful that after a bad experience at the hands of one system, you don't embrace another system that is more distasteful, simply because if the first has done wrong, the other has to be better. Nothing will ever change to the better if all of us justify the evils of our chosen team. We can fight and jab at each other until the end of time over the evils of the players and miss the truth, we can let the justifiers hide the solutions. We must remember that despite all the troubles, life is good, and that all of our frenzied quests for utopia, will create the very hell we are afraid of. What would one think of a parent who thought of every thing for his child, kept him protected from any perceived mistake, hovered over the child’s every move, to ensure, safety, success, and obedience to the parent’s will. Totalitarianism, regardless of whatever flag, banner, or promise of good things or protections to come, erodes the spirit of mankind, and causes us to embark upon a downward spiral of extinction.

yeah yeah yeah. why can't we all just get along. that's what globalists were saying: "why can't we just buy everything with our fiat money that we haven't earned yet without you murdering your people and you being evil." if people wouldn't fall for this propaganda and would think for once during that time - communists would not have to kill them. if those that were murdered weren't so selfish and actually thought for their fellow countrymen and their country - communists would not have to do all of this. if Globalists would actually stop trying to conquest russia by force or purchase, communists would never go after the people within their country. But the constant sociological weapons like propaganda that talks about "life is greener on the other side" and "your leader is a 'ruthless evil murderer'" has been always employed within Russia to destabilize Russia. And these are the people that actually hurt Russia and these are the people that they were after and putting them in GULAGs or sending them to Siberia to work. These people were dumb because they did not know what's really going on, because the leadership was ineffective in communicating with its people and educating people on what's going on behind the scenes and why; so they ruled by force and dictatorship.

[micahnelson]

"But the constant sociological weapons like propaganda that talks about "life is greener on the other side" and "your leader is a 'ruthless evil murderer'" has been always employed within Russia to destabilize Russia."

The propaganda was particularly effective because it was accurate.

[Meatwasp]

KGB you never answered me from what country did you flee from ?

[Truth Warrior]

Heck, I've used the Mafia analogy in talking about the federal government for decades now. :) Two ruthless criminal political families engaged in a relentless turf war. Seems pretty obvious.<IMHO>

[Meatwasp]

My son told me to tell you if we all can't get along than we should all go after each with guns
and let the best man win.
You told me I didn't read your threads right and I was too much of a dumby to understand. It seems you are a empty gourd head if you didn't understand what my son was saying
Are you ashamed to tell me what country you fled from?

[cageybee]

The propaganda was particularly effective because it was accurate.

it was accurate because globalists were doing a great job exploiting cheap nations with fiat currency and bringing all the great things cheap to the american people and everyone was making lots of easy money. awesome life. really great. very proud of it when i learn that the toy my daughter is playing with is made by a child in China who is 13 years old and who is working for 26 cents per hour. capitalism is awesome??? it is the most brillilant idea???

[cageybee]

KGB you never answered me from what country did you flee from ?

if you actually read my posts you wouldn't ask me this question because I already mentioned it. so how can you say that you've read my posts and you've read them correctly.

[Meatwasp]

since I didn't read all your posts I would really like to know.

[cageybee]

since I didn't read all your posts I would really like to know.

could you stop with the insults please?

[Meatwasp]

I am not insulting you. I just wanted to know where you fled from but never mind it is not that important.
Over and Out

[AgentSmith]

cageybee is too dumb to realize that just because one guy is bad doesnt make the other guy good......

[H Roark]

In this PBS transcript (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/afghanistan/afghan_11-17-83.html), Reagan insisted it was an invasion.

But, this 1998 interview with Z. Brzezinski (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html) who was Carter's national security adviser at the time of the "Soviet Invasion" proves that it wasn't an invasion, but a rescue mission to defend Afghanistan from a US led attempt at destroying the Afghanistan government that had a very strong, 60 years old relation with the Soviets. US succeeded and got away with being exposed as the root cause of the destruction of the Afghanistan and ultimately their relation with the Soviets/Russia. And in addition, US is ultimately responsible for all the misery Afghanistan "enjoys" till this day.

P.S. Please, before you make any comments, make sure you read both articles completely to understand the point I am making.


Wow you are totally misreading his comments, whether the Soviets were incited or not, the fact that they crossed that border still remains. To answer the question on the topic title; yes the soviets really did "invade"

[kimo]

Wow you are totally misreading his comments, whether the Soviets were incited or not, the fact that they crossed that border still remains. To answer the question on the topic title; yes the soviets really did "invade"

Good doc made by British about Afganistan.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8307426017216500108&q=afganistan+duration%3Along&total=1239&start=150&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=5
There was not intention to invade Afganistan at first place ( Soviets went in with only 40 000). But, but.. rescue afgan kommunist party mission became invasion..

[kyleAF]

it was accurate because globalists were doing a great job exploiting cheap nations with fiat currency and bringing all the great things cheap to the american people and everyone was making lots of easy money. awesome life. really great. very proud of it when i learn that the toy my daughter is playing with is made by a child in China who is 13 years old and who is working for 26 cents per hour. capitalism is awesome??? it is the most brillilant idea???

The problem is not Capitalism. The problem is socialists coming in and establishing a fiat system which would then debauch our currency and destroy our system.

As Keynes said (and attributed to Lenin):

The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency

You're right that conquest by purchase is a very real threat. We're coming up on that threat in this nation very soon, I think. (Though it looks to me like China has managed to avoid this problem :rolleyes:)

Communism or socialism is a still-born cause, however, since it was merely a reaction against the parts of "capitalism" that had been infected with Keynesian socialism (before it took his name, of course).

Take away the fiat money, the heavily progressive taxation, the public education controlled by the state, etc. (from the Manifesto) and you take away the globalists' power... no need for communism to shut down any nation to foreign purchase at all.

Besides all of that, communism is IMPOSSIBLE economically. It relies on capitalism for price-setting... it observes and borrows the prices which other markets set... it also trades on a "free" international market with other nations for some things.

What do I mean by that? Example: had the Soviet Union been truly isolated from the rest of the world (I mean COMPLETELY isolated in EVERY way...as in nobody and nothing goes in, nobody and nothing comes out), it would have collapsed on itself very quickly, since it would have had no means of pricing and allocating capital for production.

It's a tragedy that we didn't just completely ignore the whole thing and let it die a quick death. Instead, we actually FED the soviets: we SUBSIDIZED them. We kept them alive while complaining that they existed.

I agree that fiat money is the problem, but that's not Capitalism: that's socialism (government control of the economy, capital).