Are Neocons simply an evolved form of Hamiltonians?

[nullvalu]

Alexander Hamilton believed in big government. Government intrusion into industry, taxes to pay for everything, central banking, etc.. Neocons take a lot of influence from socialism. Was Hamilton a socialist? I definitely see a lot of correlation between Federalists and Neo-conservatives.

It would seem that since the first printing of our constitution, the fight between Federalists and Anti-Federalists has raged on. Although it definitely appears the Federalists have been the victor at nearly every goal.

[freedom-maniac]

Hamilton wasn't a socialist, he was a monarchist. I don't see to much correlation other than both groups are enemies of Jeffersonianists. Even Hamilton would be abhorred at what the neo-cons are doing.

[ToryNotion]

Most observers trace the neocons back to a few Trotskyite 'intellectuals' who moved a bit to the right. Somewhere I saw a 'family tree' (possibly in a Washington Post article) that traces the bloodline quite nicely. You are correct that the anti-federalist had it right and the whole of u.s. history has been one of continued and increasing consolidation of power at the federal level.

[ToryNotion]

Neo-con family tree....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/02/01/GR2008020102389.html

[Truth Warrior]

It seems to me that the Hamilitonians ( "Progressive" Democrats [ AKA socialists ] ) scored a huge coup ( Federal Reserve and income tax ) in 1913. It's been pretty much consistently down hill in the USA since then.<IMHO>

[weslinder]

I would say that the Progressives are somewhat closer to Hamilton than the neocons.

Hamilton was certainly for a Strong National Defense and Strong Federal Government, but as I recall, he was also a passionate defender of civil liberties.

In interest of full disclosure, Hamilton wasn't particularly versed in political theory, and just had an unfailing belief that the constitutional monarchy of Britain was the greatest form of government possible. He wanted the United States government to match that as closely as possible. (Read the Hamilton plan (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/const/hamtexta.htm) that was presented at the Constitutional Convention.)

[Truth Warrior]

I've seen reports that Hamilton married a Rothschild and became a stealth agent of the clan. That just may explain the first USA "central bank".

[nullvalu]

I would say that the Progressives are somewhat closer to Hamilton than the neocons.

Ah, thanks - I think that makes more sense.

[nullvalu]

I've seen reports that Hamilton married a Rothschild and became a stealth agent of the clan. That just may explain the first USA "central bank".

However that would be really interesting, if true.

[Truth Warrior]

However that would be really interesting, if true.

FWIW .......

"Hamilton married into the Rothschild family December 14, 1780, Alexander Hamilton was born Alexander Levine, of Jewish lineage, in St. Croix, the West Indies. After changing his name and his geographical situs, he married Elizabeth Schuyler, the second daughter of Phillip Schuyler, at the bride's home in Albany, New York. The bride's mother was Catherine Van Rensselaer, daughter of Colonel John R. Van Rensselaer, who was the son of Hendrik, the grandson of Killiaen, the first partroon. [THE INTIMATE LIFE OF ALEXANDER HAMILTON, by Allan Hamilton 1910] [It has been reported that there are documents in the British museum that prove Alexander Hamilton received payment from the Rothschild's for his dastardly deeds. Could this payment have been for his involvement in the establishment of a foreign bank in this country, and for convincing Congress to assume the States debts, which would have created a debt obligation binding the United States government and the States to the international bankers?] "

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/monie.htm

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

neocons evolved ? i don't think so

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Alexander Hamilton believed in big government. Government intrusion into industry, taxes to pay for everything, central banking, etc.. Neocons take a lot of influence from socialism. Was Hamilton a socialist? I definitely see a lot of correlation between Federalists and Neo-conservatives.

It would seem that since the first printing of our constitution, the fight between Federalists and Anti-Federalists has raged on. Although it definitely appears the Federalists have been the victor at nearly every goal.

Because it represented his authority, when Abraham the Father felt ashamed he hid his face. In comparison, when a dog feels ashamed it sits down. This is because dogs recognize themselves from their tail ends.
We live in a legal tyranny today that practices a promiscuous policy of doing "whatever is in their best interest." Even though most Americans were simple farmers back during the Enlightenment period, the strange policy practiced today leaves most of us Americans as incompetent dogs in regards to grasping the legal interpretation of our own U.S. Constitution. When attempting to communicate with the legal tyranny over us about such abuse, they only hear us as yaps and barks.
So, why do we continue to bicker about our differences like a pack of dogs? Isn't CNN even capable of such political entertainment? The real work is establishing our common culture as Americans. This working movement will bring us back from the brink of legal tyranny towards the civil purpose -- as a nation of collective contentment -- that our forefathers intended.

[Flash]

Didn't Hamilton believe in big government but wanted checks and balances to keep everything in order? I also thought he wanted a nation bank but he would probably reject the Federal Reserve since its a private bank.

[Tdcci]

but he would probably reject the Federal Reserve since its a private bank.

The Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board. In addition, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.

[billyjoeallen]

Neocons are evolved tTrotskyites (communists). Seriously. Irving Kristol (Bill's dad) was a self-described Trotskyite before he converted. They never stopped loving big government, they just stop loving poor people.

[Banana]

Tangent:

Someone once mentioned to me that British's constitutional monarchy was very good design in that the people got to have a figurehead and free up parliaments from playing politics, whereas in US, there's been excessive adulation of POTUS to a point of POTUS running the country.

Was that what Hamilton had in mind?

[nate895]

Tangent:

Someone once mentioned to me that British's constitutional monarchy was very good design in that the people got to have a figurehead and free up parliaments from playing politics, whereas in US, there's been excessive adulation of POTUS to a point of POTUS running the country.

Was that what Hamilton had in mind?

Not really, he wanted a really powerful Presidency, even more so than ours is currently, he also didn't want states to be anything more than administrative divisions, and some other big government stuff.

[Tdcci]

neocons evolved ? i don't think so

"Intelligently Redesigned"

[Banana]

Not really, he wanted a really powerful Presidency, even more so than ours is currently, he also didn't want states to be anything more than administrative divisions, and some other big government stuff.

Hmmm. Interesting.

You'd think it a tad odd that someone who lived through the revolutionary war after oppression by king in absentia would know better. If all he wanted was a figurehead for the sheeple to rally around so the nerds could be left alone to legislating in everyone's best interest, then that would have been a reasonable position.