Who's worst?

[Bergie Bergeron]

Pretty simple.

[molly_pitcher]

Actually, it was hard to decide between Hitlery and McStain.

[parke]

F*ck the polls.

They all suck.

Funny how the most honest man running wasnt talked about since NH primary. Funny.

[sw33tbabiblu3]

Well, since they will all ruin this country but McCain will do it while sending troops to die, I'll go with McCain being the worst.

[PathIveMade]

What's the difference? It's one party running under 2 masks if you ask me.

[gerryb]

Well, since they will all ruin this country but McCain will do it while sending troops to die, I'll go with McCain being the worst.

Where do you get this idea? They all have the same foreign policy playbook and speak of it freely. It might not be to their biggest crowds, but when asked specific questions, they are all shown to be the same.

[Laja]

obama is the worst because he's such an empty rhetoric actor. at least you know where the other two crooks stand. with obama, you don't have a clue.

[libertythor]

Obama has more potential to do more damage because the media fawns over him constantly with very little criticism.

[Kludge]

Ralph Nadar.

[sw33tbabiblu3]

Where do you get this idea? They all have the same foreign policy playbook and speak of it freely. It might not be to their biggest crowds, but when asked specific questions, they are all shown to be the same.

I get this idea.. from their platforms???

duh.

Obviously they aren't the same. Barack Obama and Hillary don't want to fight a war anymore, even though they would still increase the amount of military in general around the world and wouldn't mind. McCain would just keep doing what Mr. Bush has done in Iraq.

[ThePieSwindler]

McCain is really only bad on a few issues, although they are crucial. This poll actually surprises me.. is the war seriously THE biggest issue for so many people? I like Ron Paul's stance on it, but for me, its really not even in the top 3. This is a real toughie. I'm not voting for any of these candidates, but its between a war monger with some decent overall politcies, vs leftists with an iffy stance on war in general, and many policies/programs which have a greater chance of being enact with a democratic majority everywhere....

But just for fun, the rundown, in my opinion:

McCain:
The Good:
Pro free trade (NAFTA is managed trade, sure, but he also votes against protectionist measures, and NAFTA is far better than protectionism)
Pro-gun
Pro-life (this isnt a huge deal for me, but a plus)
Generally pro-business, pro-market, etc
For fiscal discipline, and dealing with entitlements
Against most subsidies

The Bad:
I'm on the fence about global warming, though im going to put this as bad for now since im skeptical of the movement as a whole...

For government (taxpayer) funding of stem cell research, etc

The Ugly:
HUGE warmonger
Very pro-surveillance and PATRIOT act, against civil liberties
potentially a "globalist sellout"

Clinton
The Good:
Nothing

The Bad:
Too much to put..
Hardly anti-war

The Ugly:
General massive expansion of government (socialized medicine, higher taxes)
Zealously anti-gun
Generally Protectionist


Obama
The Good:
Seems to be a bit more level headed on foreign policy than the other two

The Bad:
However, as an addendum to the foreign policy bit, has said conflicting things
Cult of personality
Health care plan isnt as socialist as Clinton, but very interventionist nonetheless
Iffy on some civil liberties

The Ugly:
Zealously anti-gun, like clinton
Generally protectionist, moreso than Clinton
Seems to have a nice little economic "plan" for every issue... sort of like... a communist?



Ron Paul
The Awesome:
Almost everything

The Not so awesome:
Old

The terrible:
Unfortunately, he has no chance at the presidency

[Roadrcr]

They all suck the same but in diffrent ways ... McWar will start and sustain war till we go into ruin and lose countless lives.

Hillery will spend us into ruin and be corrupt as ever until we start killing eachother for food and gas and the loss of countless lives.

Obama is a total empty air bag and will not be able to get a damn thing done because hes clueless on how to work the system. So the current underlings will keep running things on bush's course and we all know how well thats going. Albeit it will be a tad slower coming then hillerys plan it will be just as disasterous.

And for shits and giggles Huckadork will put us into a theocracy freeing all the pedophiles mandatory religion just like the middle east causing turmoil and more infighting.

[PathIveMade]

[QUOTE=ThePieSwindler;1311895

But just for fun, the rundown, in my opinion:


The Good:
Pro free trade (NAFTA is managed trade, sure, but he also votes against protectionist measures, and NAFTA is far better than protectionism)
[/QUOTE]

NAFTA is killing Ohio. Good for Texas, bad for us here.

[humanic]

Obama
The Good:
Seems to be a bit more level headed on foreign policy than the other two

Obama's foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, is a co-founder of the Trilateral Commission, CFR member, and Bilderberger. Learn about him.

From DEMOCRACY NOW [1/3/08]:

ALLAN NAIRN: Well, Obama’s top adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski gave an interview to the French press a number of years ago where he boasted about the fact that it was he who created the whole Afghan jihadi movement, the movement that produced Osama bin Laden. And he was asked by the interviewer, “Well, don’t you think this might have had some bad consequences?” And Brzezinski replied, “Absolutely not. It was definitely worth it, because we were going after the Soviets. We were getting the Soviets.” Another top Obama person—

AMY GOODMAN: I think his comment actually was, “What’s a few riled-up Muslims?” And this, that whole idea of blowback, the idea of arming, financing, training the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, including Osama bin Laden, and then when they’re done with the Soviets, they set their sights, well, on the United States.

ALLAN NAIRN: Right. And later, during Bill Clinton’s administration, during the Bosnia killing, the US actually flew some of the Afghan Mujahideen, the early al-Qaeda people—the US actually arranged for them to be flown from there to Bosnia to fight on the Muslim/NATO side.

Mike Ruppert gives a lecture on Zbigniew Brzezinski:
PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qsDjUWKOHQ
PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I65v_B5trGs

[Laja]

thank you, humanic. i've read the zbig stuff by webster tarpley, which was pretty frightening. appreciate another source of information to fill in more blanks on obama's puppeteer.

[kaleidoscope eyes]

all of the above is not a choice?

[tommyzDad]

Yeah, McDrain. Look in any dictionary under Evil, and you'll see his mugg.
See also: Jackal; Satan; Nosferatu....

[Ara825]

Where is the option for "all of the above" I think they are equally bad.

[acptulsa]

all of the above is not a choice?

Yes. That is not only an answer to your question, it is my vote.

[Fields]

They all suck.

[gb13]

There is very little difference, but McCains lack of decency toward dissenters of his policies really scares me.

[acptulsa]

There is very little difference, but McCains lack of decency toward dissenters of his policies really scares me.

John Dubya McCain

[rockandrollsouls]

They are all equally terrible. Obama may be a little less than the other two simply because he's not going to mandate you pay for health care...but he's still darn awful.

[yongrel]

I'm trying to select all three, but it won't work

Your poll is broken.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

If your question is who I refuse to vote for, than yes all of the above. Let's make this the year of the third party!!! :mad:

[spacehabitats]

Actually, all of the above should have it by a landslide.

How about a poll:

Which would way would you least like to die?:

a) Lung cancer.
b) Leprosy.
c) Rabies.

[nullvalu]

I can't make a decision here.

[acptulsa]

I can't make a decision here.

Yet another undecided voter! Time for this nation to stop worrying about what is the least of several evils and start asking why we must choose the least of several evils!

[Flash]

Mccain and Clinton have experience. The only thing that makes up the obama sensation is white liberal guilty college kids. Don't vote for a candidate thats anti-establishment or makes sense to you, just vote for the guy that repeats "hope" and "change" over and over again.

[PatriotOne]

They are all equally bad because they all are just puppets to the same beastmaster. Why do you guys not get this yet? Their allegiances are not with America. Their allegiances are with those setting up the New World Order. Research it and quit pissing in the wind trying to hit a target.

[Dave Pedersen]

The only advantage to McCain is that the results of his administration should finally jar many mindless Republicans toward a sane Old Republican real conservative choice in the future.

Obama is an unknown quantity and may actually wind up doing some surprising good but we all know what Clinton is and so Hitlary got my vote..

[amonasro]

Who's worst? That's like asking someone how they wanted to die: By sliding down a giant 50 foot razor or being transported to Jurassic-era Eurasia.

Both are terrible, but one might take longer.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

I picked Obama because I dislike his overall policies the most, and he has the momentum.

You can expect the same level of interventionism as the original Clinton era with all three, but Obama somehow has half of these people fooled into thinking he'll change the country into a Socialist Utopia that never goes to war. Unless it's Darfur, where alot of Liberals seem to want to go.

However, I would rather see Obama than Hillary, Obama can't manipulate Congress the same way that Hillary can. He's sure good at manipulating the people, though. Change Change Change!!! :rolleyes:

Sure, he want's to change my 2nd Amendment Civil Liberties.
He wants to Expand Fed. Spending
He wants to Increase Taxes
He IS an interventionist, as most Democrats are, even though people seem to have forgotten over the past 8 years. Have you forgotten that in the 20th Century 5 Dems havegotten America involved in foreign Wars, compared to only 2 Republicans? (T. Roosevelt, & Bush Sr.)
He IS in favor of more Foreign Aid spending
His Policies set the stage for continued Deflation, and continued Economic downfall.

McCain, on the other hand has I think 1 or 2 policies I semi-like. :(:(

I can't vote for any of the three, though.

[sophocles07]

McCain and Clinton are virtually the same candidate but work their evils in different ways. Obama, though still a horrible choice for president, has at least that fleck of half-honesty that McCain and Clinton do not have--they have been swallowed by the worm, shat back out and with glazed over eyes both tell us they can "get things done."

[Time for Change]

Oh No...a Poll...


Hey Frank...you Know!!!

[Laja]

McCain and Clinton are virtually the same candidate but work their evils in different ways. Obama, though still a horrible choice for president, has at least that fleck of half-honesty that McCain and Clinton do not have--they have been swallowed by the worm, shat back out and with glazed over eyes both tell us they can "get things done."

i don't think obama is even half-honest. i think he's full of it.

[piotr1]

you guys really think McCain will protect gun rights? I just can't see it....

[nate895]

I go with McCain since his election will mean conservatives will need to find a new home.

[clouds]

to me obama is the scariest because people flock to him for no other reason than he speaks well. I'd rather an america suspicious of their government than believing it can do no wrong.

[nate895]

to me obama is the scariest because people flock to him for no other reason than he speaks well. I'd rather an america suspicious of their government than believing it can do no wrong.

They will realize it can do wrong when their economy is in the toilet.

[Patriot123]

I'd rather die. Our founders would shoot themselves if they were forced to vote in this poll. Option A) 666. Option B) 666. Option C) 666. Not much of a difference. And I mean the "666's" sarcastically. Plus, I'm Jewish. But anywho, they're all horrible, all the same. They're all going to do the same amount of damage to this country. Maybe if Hillary wins, she MIGHT actually do the least damage. Just the impression I get. She seems a bit weaker than Obama. Plus, the media is beginning to dislike her, so that aught' to keep her in check, at least somewhat... Moreso than Obama and McCain. Just by a hair, though, so to the point where it doesn't even make too much of a difference... :/

Honestly, I see a violent revolt coming. I think that one of these three stooges are going to try something like taking away our second amendment rights completely. I see one of the two options for our future: 1) Violent revolt. 2) Violent revolt via secession.

[nate895]

I'd rather die. Our founders would shoot themselves if they were forced to vote in this poll. Option A) 666. Option B) 666. Option C) 666. Not much of a difference. And I mean the "666's" sarcastically. Plus, I'm Jewish. But anywho, they're all horrible, all the same. They're all going to do the same amount of damage to this country. Maybe if Hillary wins, she MIGHT actually do the least damage. Just the impression I get. She seems a bit weaker than Obama. Plus, the media is beginning to dislike her, so that aught' to keep her in check, at least somewhat... Moreso than Obama and McCain. Just by a hair, though, so to the point where it doesn't even make too much of a difference... :/

Honestly, I see a violent revolt coming. I think that one of these three stooges are going to try something like taking away our second amendment rights completely. I see one of the two options for our future: 1) Violent revolt. 2) Violent revolt via secession.

I like option 2 if it must come down to choosing between those two.

[Patriot123]

I like option 2 if it must come down to choosing between those two.

Sort of scary to think about, really. And I won't go on any further than this and risk being arrested by the NSA via AT&T and labeled as a terrorist, but... Really. This is what it's going to come down to, and we all know it in our hearts. This is exactly what this is going to come down to. Exactly. Every single one of us knows this in our hearts.
On the topic of the one of the two, I'd probably go with the first. I wouldn't just want to succeed... That's pretty much betraying our country. We should fix it, not go and start a new one :/ Just my two cents, really. I'd just, quite honestly, would rather die than be exhiled from the country that our forefathers built." Well, I mean... I wouldn't necessarily rather die, but I wouldn't just betray our country, you know? "Live free or die."

[clouds]

They will realize it can do wrong when their economy is in the toilet.

not that it isn't... just waiting for some one to flush...

[ThePieSwindler]

NAFTA is killing Ohio. Good for Texas, bad for us here.

Proof, other than hearsay and "people losing jobs"? Look, im not a NAFTA fan, but its not because i dislike free trade. If you want to have a debate on the overwhelmingly positive merits of free trade vs shaky anti-trade rheotric that ive seen little real backing of issue, lets rumble. In fact, according to this:

http://jfs.ohio.gov/releases/unemp/200801/UnempPressRelease.asp

Ohio's rise in unemployment coincides with the general rise inthe US, although its already over slightly. First, i highly doubt NAFTA is responsible for the whole .6% difference between the US and the Ohio rate. Even if so, its not enough to be for any form of protectionism, which in the long run hurts EVERYONE's standard of living.

[ThePieSwindler]

you guys really think McCain will protect gun rights? I just can't see it....

yeah i think youre right ctually, I had thought he was decent on it but hes been in on alot of compromise bills, so scratch that off my list.

[H Roark]

I would prefer protectionist policies to NAFTA any day, because with managed trade deals such as NAFTA; they serve as the vehicle to globalist goals like the NAU. You kind of forgot to mention that in your comparison chart there...

[Fox McCloud]

Obama.

With McCain and Clinton, you know what you're getting, because they're not afraid to say it, and they haven't a clue how to be subtle or deceptive (well, they do, but they're not particularly good at it).

Obama hides it with charisma and the way he says things--you really don't know what he has planned.

[ThePieSwindler]

I would prefer protectionist policies to NAFTA any day, because with managed trade deals such as NAFTA; they serve as the vehicle to globalist goals like the NAU. You kind of forgot to mention that in your comparison chart there...

NAFTA itself sucks, but NAFTA as the symbol of free trade is what i am defending. Regional and unilateral free trade deals

As for NAU, that, and some of the potential restrictons built in to it, are reasons that i dislike NAFTA itself, although i dont see NAU as some globalist conspiracy so much as i see it to be very similar to the EU - not good in my personal opinion because it is a consolidation of political power, but not part of some illuminati/Bilderberg (though im not denying bilderberg existence) plot to take over the world. But McCain is for free trade in general, so thats a plus for him, compared to strict protectionism.

[TastyWheat]

Very tough, but looking ahead I think McCain will really hurt the conservative movement as president if he doesn't spend us into the ground with endless war.

[humanic]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1311921#post1311921


thank you, humanic. i've read the zbig stuff by webster tarpley, which was pretty frightening. appreciate
another source of information to fill in more blanks on obama's puppeteer.

Very welcome -- we need to educate ourselves and others as much as possible about this kind of thing.

I strongly recommend watching the full lecture that those clips are taken from. It's on google video HERE (http://video.google.com/url?docid=8797525979024486145&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=8257&q=truth%2Blies%2B9%2F11&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D8797525979024486145&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D8797525979024486145% 26q%3Dtruth%2Blies%2B9%252F11%26total%3D772%26star t%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plinde x%3D0&usg=AL29H20l5zsTqVR92QYS15qzw6YyTFryPQ).