They are NOW trying to BREAK OUR SPIRITS & MOMENTUM

[Lord Xar]

I have noticed a few things.

1. High posting posters calling negative shots against HQ on a regular basis
2. Many posters getting behind obvious fake stories and pushing them as real

Now, there is something going on that more important than just disparaging support for Ron Pauls presidential run. They have derailed that to a great degree by the smears and false or outright lack of reporting etc..

But what I am now noticing. - Many NEW online hit pieces. Why?

Simple. Ron Paul and many of us sparked a movement. A freedom movement that empowers people with power/knowledge. The MSM and special interests like it when we do NOT think for ourselves.

So, this new crop of negative articles criticizing the campaing for whatever reason ie.. bad hiring practicies, bad press releases, poor choices in hiring etc... - its all used to to one thing. To weaken our resolve and turn our hearts/minds away from this freedom movement. That is their only reason. They now want to squash whatever it is that has been started. And the best way to do that is paint HQ/Ron Paul in a morally declined light. One which make good choices and let you down.

IGNORE THESE SMEAR PIECES. These tactics they are doing are well played and for others, it has worked in the past. But we are too savvy for it now.

DO NOT give in and DO NOT let them lead you away from this New Revolution of thought. - Freedom.

They want their Real ID to pass. They want their spying programs to pass. They want us to be cattle.

JUST A HEADS UP. KNOW IT WHEN YOU SPOT IT, and CALL IT OUT!

[Kotin]

im with you Xar.

[Revolution9]

Exactly Xar. The shots at HQ killed the donation cycle and have these clowns rubbing their hands in glee while they post honey honey poison honey. Like Thomas Paine. A bitch if there was one and then right when ya get ready to smack him he chimes in with some pro RP dogma. But his negativity as of late is redundantly inexcusable. I suggest a hammer of doom be applied to all playing the well worn gambit on these forums. We have some new posters who are on board and have applied cogent analysis to the situation. They are quite welcome and a benchmark that we are still growing and waking folks up.

Best
Randy

[Doktor_Jeep]

Good observations, Xar.
This is how COINTELPRO operates best, by pretending to be a friend first.

The best way to deal with them is to go around or over them. In other words ignore them and stay the course.

[linusPAULing]

I have noticed a few things.

1. High posting posters calling negative shots against HQ on a regular basis
2. Many posters getting behind obvious fake stories and pushing them as real

Now, there is something going on that more important than just disparaging support for Ron Pauls presidential run. They have derailed that to a great degree by the smears and false or outright lack of reporting etc..

But what I am now noticing. - Many NEW online hit pieces. Why?

Simple. Ron Paul and many of us sparked a movement. A freedom movement that empowers people with power/knowledge. The MSM and special interests like it when we do NOT think for ourselves.

So, this new crop of negative articles criticizing the campaing for whatever reason ie.. bad hiring practicies, bad press releases, poor choices in hiring etc... - its all used to to one thing. To weaken our resolve and turn our hearts/minds away from this freedom movement. That is their only reason. They now want to squash whatever it is that has been started. And the best way to do that is paint HQ/Ron Paul in a morally declined light. One which make good choices and let you down.

IGNORE THESE SMEAR PIECES. These tactics they are doing are well played and for others, it has worked in the past. But we are too savvy for it now.

DO NOT give in and DO NOT let them lead you away from this New Revolution of thought. - Freedom.

They want their Real ID to pass. They want their spying programs to pass. They want us to be cattle.

JUST A HEADS UP. KNOW IT WHEN YOU SPOT IT, and CALL IT OUT!

Excellent Post!

[coffeewithchess]

I have noticed a few things.

1. High posting posters calling negative shots against HQ on a regular basis
2. Many posters getting behind obvious fake stories and pushing them as real

Now, there is something going on that more important than just disparaging support for Ron Pauls presidential run. They have derailed that to a great degree by the smears and false or outright lack of reporting etc..

So, this new crop of negative articles criticizing the campaign for whatever reason ie.. bad hiring practicies, bad press releases, poor choices in hiring etc... - its all used to to one thing. To weaken our resolve and turn our hearts/minds away from this freedom movement. That is their only reason. They now want to squash whatever it is that has been started. And the best way to do that is paint HQ/Ron Paul in a morally declined light. One which make good choices and let you down.


I don't criticize HQ to weaken our resolve or turn people away, but I DO know that there are people at HQ that visit these forums and nobody has responded to the many criticisms. My resolve was weakened when I visited HQ back in October. My resolve was weakened of HQ, not of the movement. After my visit to HQ in October, it motivated me to stay involved and keep trying on my own. I would spend my lunch breaks waving Ron Paul for President signs and that is how everybody at my job came to know Ron Paul's name and how I gained the nickname, "Ron Paul" from my coworkers. The fact is, the movement is going to be kept only by the grassroots, I have only little faith in HQ to do anything right...I just haven't seen a lot to show me that RP or HQ(in general) really wanted to win the election.
Critiquing HQ should be done, if we are quick to judge Washington DC being dysfunctional and wanting to change it, why shouldn't we do the same with a campaign?
I don't think we should bury our heads in the sand like an ostrich and pretend everything is okay.

[Rhys]

i guess i'll say my usual two things:

don't make it a witch hunt and don't make it an echo chamber

[Hook]

Well, since HQ has basically packed their bags and gone home, there hasn't been much complaining about them lately.

Of course, most of the primary is over, so complaining isn't gonna do much now anyway. Should've complained back in April or so.

[pacelli]

Great post. Add on another divisive tactic-- hitting the grassroots with scam chip-ins. Strange how there are always threads started about "pitiful donations" whenever a grassroots chip-in is advertised, eh?

Do not be fooled. This attack is focused and (I believe) centralized.

[MikeStanart]

Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death

[Akus]

Lord Xar, thank you for a positive post.

We can nail this if we stick to our guns. We are losing on paper but in practice we are winning. McCain is leading according to MSM, but not according to what I saw in my local GOP Club meeting. People hate McCain. He burned too many bridges. Some see no difference if McCain or a Democrat wins.

That's when we come in. Let them know what's up. Get them to be delegates for Ron paul.

[gregl26]

I agree. We must not let anything take our focus off of our movement. We must stay energized and mobilized. The next several years will be great for us. There are tons of liberty-minded people running for every conceivable office. Hundreds have decided to do so. Many decided not too because we are all getting late starts. Can you imagine how many RP people will run in 2 years?!? We ARE making a difference.

I encourage you all to run for office this time. If you do not I implore you to prepare to run in two years. Starting getting ready. Go to campaign bootcamps and educate yourself on the process! Go to your local GOP meetings NOW. It is only one day a month we must ALL do this. When you get voting status you CAN influence your local GOP. Get your meetups involved and pack the local RECs. This is how we stay energized everybody. Get your meetups organized to take over the local GOPs and run for office. Do not let anyone bring down your spirits. Do not let anyone tell you that we cannot save this great nation and return it to an America that resembles the vision of the founders. Do not let anyone tell you that the revolution is dying. THE STATE OF OUR REVOLUTION IS STRONG!!

God bless you all, God bless America, and God bless Ron Paul!

Greg Lewis
www.greglewisforcongress.com

[Sentient Void]

Awesome thread. I 100% agree with the OP. Keep it up man.

We NEED to donate to show Ron Paul and company that the movement is STRONG.

I just donated another 200, but I am wondering when the next big money bomb will be, if anyone has organized one yet. Not a pitiful one like the last one... another to generate a large volume of people to donate.

[purplechoe]

My spirits have been broken in early January. I got my second wind and am ready to march on!

"Nothing is over until we decide it is!" - Bluto

[kaleidoscope eyes]

sure everything goes in cycles, even bad intent. It is a shame people become short sighted and are easily spooked, but it's human nature, whatchagonnado? We gotta keep plugging away, new donors are still coming on, the train hasn't lost all it's steam yet.

We live in a Gottahaveitnow! kinda culture, so until people start truly seeing the long game here, I guess will just have to put up with this scattering of our energies and resources effect.

When the snowball finally starts gaining some mass, people will come around, it's only a matter of time.

[Fields]

Never Surrender!!!!!

[ronpaulbillboards]

Discernment & Vigilance!

[constituent]

Exactly Xar. The shots at HQ killed the donation cycle and have these clowns rubbing their hands in glee while they post honey honey poison honey. Like Thomas Paine. A bitch if there was one and then right when ya get ready to smack him he chimes in with some pro RP dogma. But his negativity as of late is redundantly inexcusable. I suggest a hammer of doom be applied to all playing the well worn gambit on these forums. We have some new posters who are on board and have applied cogent analysis to the situation. They are quite welcome and a benchmark that we are still growing and waking folks up.

Best
Randy

+1000

great thread xar!

[mcgraw_wv]

As someone who has made shots at the HQ... I understand that negativity is contagious... However I do feel that the money spent was wasted. I wholeheartly believe RP would have gotten 5-7% nation wide with no money and pure grassroots.

SO what did the HQ actually do? What did they do to make this happen, what did they do with the power of the money we gave them? Not a whole lot... so I'm expected to keep giving money to a strategy and a leadership that does not have the ability to win a MSM campaign?? I much rather see more generic freedom initiatives rise up, and I would donate to those.

[constituent]

As someone who has made shots at the HQ... I understand that negativity is contagious... However I do feel that the money spent was wasted. I wholeheartly believe RP would have gotten 5-7% nation wide with no money and pure grassroots.

<snip>


i agree w/ 100% of that paragraph only.

but...

does it say something bad about hq, or something
good about the gr?

if only there were a way to truly measure the hardcore
support, the hangers on, and the might have beens....

the movement is probably waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than
anyone thinks.

this point fwd, we (as individual grass roots) just have to
figure out ways around our small disagreements/policy advocacies,
etc., to adapt the liberty message and make it palatable to
the greatest number possible, even statists.

if there was enough movement in that direction, the
whole political and economic para-dig-um could be
on its head in 2 yrs., 6 max.

[speciallyblend]

lord xar it all sounds good,but the real blame is with the gop who endorsed what the msm did to ron paul.

THE GOP AND Republicans are to blame no one else

[speciallyblend]

the best thing for this movement is to distance ourselves away from the word republican,remove the r,do anything to distance ourselves away from these lying republicans

[belian78]

I don't criticize HQ to weaken our resolve or turn people away, but I DO know that there are people at HQ that visit these forums and nobody has responded to the many criticisms. My resolve was weakened when I visited HQ back in October. My resolve was weakened of HQ, not of the movement. After my visit to HQ in October, it motivated me to stay involved and keep trying on my own. I would spend my lunch breaks waving Ron Paul for President signs and that is how everybody at my job came to know Ron Paul's name and how I gained the nickname, "Ron Paul" from my coworkers. The fact is, the movement is going to be kept only by the grassroots, I have only little faith in HQ to do anything right...I just haven't seen a lot to show me that RP or HQ(in general) really wanted to win the election.
Critiquing HQ should be done, if we are quick to judge Washington DC being dysfunctional and wanting to change it, why shouldn't we do the same with a campaign?
I don't think we should bury our heads in the sand like an ostrich and pretend everything is okay.

not calling you out or anything, but no one said any names. but your automatically going on the defensive? :cool::rolleyes:;)

[Sentient Void]

If someone in the forum, or amongst us supporters in general has nothing but bad shit to say, IGNORE THEM. Don't reply to their threads - etc. The more fire we add to their fuel of crap, the more satisfaction they will get in stirring up trouble and dissent.

If you want to disagree with the HQ ( which is fine), or say where things SUPPOSEDLY "went wrong", then make sure you immediately have a solution to recommend to keep things going strong and keep peoples' hopes up.

If you aren't a part of the solution - you are a part of the problem. If you ask me, that should be the prime quote and general mover behind the grassroots campaign. If you think about it, if you have donated or supported Ron Paul in ways such as converting others to his cause, campaigning outside, becoming a delegate, getting involved in the caucuses and other parts of the grassroots, et cetera, then you are part of the solution. If you "support" Ron Paul but do NOTHING about it, or if you are a miserable counter-productive bastard, you are part of the problem. As for people who are against the good doctor, or if said person knows nothing about Ron Paul (not their fault, that's due to the media), they are part of THE problem - but that BECOMES OUR problem, and it's our job to fix that (don't focus nearly as much on the anti-Pauls though, obviously).

Stop being counterproductive. If you are going to be counter-productive, then shut your hole, move on, and stop PRETENDING to be a Ron Paul supporter.

[syborius]

There are some extremely intelligent agents of deception here. That leads me to believe that this movement has scared the hell out of the establishment. They now see the light that this movement refuses to die. It has moved onto phase II. The postings have diminished considerably, but that's because people have become active in the political process. They are running for congress, running for local offices, showing up to meetings.
When you have GOP meetings getting twice as many members as they did last year, it tells you that these are for the most part RP republicans. These agents of deception are paid to infiltrate, to break us up, to extinguish the remaining movement , but they don't realize that this is only the beginning.

[acptulsa]

Caveat emptor. Let the buyer beware.

"I'm a Ron Paul Republican--send me money!" Yeah? Prove it. One of our supporters, Arlo Guthrie, once wrote a song lyric that applies: You can't help no one with money if you can't with your hands. Get involved. I didn't say send money to anyone who talks the talk. I said walk the walk with them, and get the job done that way. You'll soon know if you're walking with the right person.

The official campaign doesn't suit you? To hell with them. Get out this spring and summer and circulate the petition that will get Dr. Paul on your state's ballot with or without the G.O.P. Dr. Paul knows how to play the game, he knows how they think, and he simply cannot ask us to get him on the ballot as an independent because then they'll resent it and they won't negotiate with him in good faith at a brokered convention. If we do it without being asked, they won't be able to blame him for our actions, but he'll still be in a position to split the vote if they don't negotiate. Walk the walk. Take charge. Draft Dr. Paul. Just like when we do when we get a jury duty summons, he'll say, "I've been called and I must serve."

If we're going to make our nation free for our children and grandchildren, we're going to have to do more than write checks. We're going to have to get our hands dirty. We're going to have to connect with our neighbors. And yes, we're going to have to tell off a lot of naysayers. Are our children and grandchildren worth it?

[belian78]

the best thing for this movement is to distance ourselves away from the word republican,remove the r,do anything to distance ourselves away from these lying republicans

the socialists that have taken over the republican party would never have acheived their goal if they would have followed you logic, think about that. we can do what they did, only in the cause of good, not evil.

[slamhead]

It is all just part of the battle. We need to adapt, improvise, overcome. The RNC is very aware of what we are doing. They know we are filling committee positions, signing up to be delegates, etc and it scares them. We need to become more stealthy in our methods of influencing the RNC.

Get involved in your local politics.

[LittleLightShining]

As someone who has made shots at the HQ... I understand that negativity is contagious... However I do feel that the money spent was wasted. I wholeheartly believe RP would have gotten 5-7% nation wide with no money and pure grassroots.

SO what did the HQ actually do? What did they do to make this happen, what did they do with the power of the money we gave them? Not a whole lot... so I'm expected to keep giving money to a strategy and a leadership that does not have the ability to win a MSM campaign?? I much rather see more generic freedom initiatives rise up, and I would donate to those.

I agree. And it's not because I don't believe in the movement. I AM out there getting my hands dirty, stepping up and in to get Ron Paul's message to my community. I'm using my cellphone minutes to call my neighbors. I'm talking to people wherever I go. I'm organizing advertising efforts. Why is it that people like me, who do have a real beef with the campaign are considered enemies of the movement? I post, my threads are ignored. I haven't been around as long as most of you have but that doesn't make me less of a patriot. I have been actively involved in EVERY SINGLE DAY on the grassroots level since I became aware of Ron Paul and his message.

It bothers me that I'm a thread-killer here. Maybe instead of being labeled a traitor to the cause I would benefit from some advice from the old-timers here. I haven't made a chip-in, but I have asked for help. If I hadn't the radio ads and the newspaper ads probably wouldn't exist. I do resent the campaign for ignoring Vermont. I know first hand exactly what can be done with very little money here. And I have a right to question whether my money is better spent independently promoting Ron Paul as opposed to sending in donation to the campaign and seeing NOTHING being done here whatsoever.

$125 would buy 5 one minute ads on local conservative radio. Don't tell me they can't afford that. $152 would buy a slimjim sized ad in a free weekly newspaper with a readership of 28000, (24000 HOME DELIVERIES) read by everyone in a major population area of the state. For another $105 an ad could be placed in a daily paper that services an entire area of the state. This is the tip of the iceberg.

WHY the campaign isn't doing this makes no sense to me. Why is it so trollish for me to say so?

[PatriotOne]

I have noticed a few things.

1. High posting posters calling negative shots against HQ on a regular basis
2. Many posters getting behind obvious fake stories and pushing them as real

Now, there is something going on that more important than just disparaging support for Ron Pauls presidential run. They have derailed that to a great degree by the smears and false or outright lack of reporting etc..

But what I am now noticing. - Many NEW online hit pieces. Why?

Simple. Ron Paul and many of us sparked a movement. A freedom movement that empowers people with power/knowledge. The MSM and special interests like it when we do NOT think for ourselves.

So, this new crop of negative articles criticizing the campaing for whatever reason ie.. bad hiring practicies, bad press releases, poor choices in hiring etc... - its all used to to one thing. To weaken our resolve and turn our hearts/minds away from this freedom movement. That is their only reason. They now want to squash whatever it is that has been started. And the best way to do that is paint HQ/Ron Paul in a morally declined light. One which make good choices and let you down.

IGNORE THESE SMEAR PIECES. These tactics they are doing are well played and for others, it has worked in the past. But we are too savvy for it now.

DO NOT give in and DO NOT let them lead you away from this New Revolution of thought. - Freedom.

They want their Real ID to pass. They want their spying programs to pass. They want us to be cattle.

JUST A HEADS UP. KNOW IT WHEN YOU SPOT IT, and CALL IT OUT!

Quoted for the truth.

And quoting this for the truth also:


"Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

[coffeewithchess]

not calling you out or anything, but no one said any names. but your automatically going on the defensive? :cool::rolleyes:;)

LOL, I don't have to be called out. I know that I have criticized HQ and I have criticized them often.

[pinkmandy]

I don't understand people who give up. What else can you do but move forward after taking the red pill? This movement is your only option imo if you "get it". For those walking away, somehow they must not have really gotten it.

Great op, great thread!

[affa]

Exactly Xar. The shots at HQ killed the donation cycle and have these clowns rubbing their hands in glee while they post honey honey poison honey. Like Thomas Paine. A bitch if there was one and then right when ya get ready to smack him he chimes in with some pro RP dogma. But his negativity as of late is redundantly inexcusable. I suggest a hammer of doom be applied to all playing the well worn gambit on these forums. We have some new posters who are on board and have applied cogent analysis to the situation. They are quite welcome and a benchmark that we are still growing and waking folks up.

Best
Randy

QFT on this and for the OP.

Honey Honey Poison Honey is exactly how it's done.

The blatantly obvious trolls are mostly just decoys - they accomplish some minor goals but it's the deep honey/poison trolls that do real damage.

[AFM]

To Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I Am Here To Fight

[constituent]

you mean like this guy (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1306387#post1306387)?

[Highstreet]

sure everything goes in cycles, even bad intent. It is a shame people become short sighted and are easily spooked, but it's human nature, whatchagonnado? We gotta keep plugging away, new donors are still coming on, the train hasn't lost all it's steam yet.

We live in a Gottahaveitnow! kinda culture, so until people start truly seeing the long game here, I guess will just have to put up with this scattering of our energies and resources effect.

When the snowball finally starts gaining some mass, people will come around, it's only a matter of time.

Check this spoof site for the Newest Drug for our culture. Funny stuff.
http://www.havidol.com/

Those who know the long term is the only option will stay on. There will always be criticism, but we should make our best efforts to keep it constructive.

Keep turning Delegates. Keep signing up as Delegates. Keep GOTV in states that haven't happened yet. Keep Hammering McCain and Huck on their faults and lack of electability. Keep electing other Ron Paul Republicans at the local and Fed level. Keep taking leadership roles in ALL power centeres in society.

www.newr3volution.com

[acptulsa]

Check this spoof site for the Newest Drug for our culture. Funny stuff.
http://www.havidol.com/

Now that's funny. Have a fine old hydrochloric time!

[fiddler1]

Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents here. I was of course dissappointed in the primary election results. However, our local Republican party now has 4 new official in good standing members who are Ron Paul supporters. We also have made some friends from existing party members. One of these, the county co-chair, actually gave me a copy of the "New American" magazine and told me he really liked Ron Paul.

I was assigned as an official poll worker for the primary election, a position that seems like it will be permanent. I don't think we have any other choice but to try to save the Rep party. Dont forget that the party and their policies are made by the members. If you stand afar off you cannot influence what they do. The revolution will continue from inside the belly of the beast!

[ronpaulhawaii]

I agree. And it's not because I don't believe in the movement. I AM out there getting my hands dirty, stepping up and in to get Ron Paul's message to my community. I'm using my cellphone minutes to call my neighbors. I'm talking to people wherever I go. I'm organizing advertising efforts. Why is it that people like me, who do have a real beef with the campaign are considered enemies of the movement? I post, my threads are ignored. I haven't been around as long as most of you have but that doesn't make me less of a patriot. I have been actively involved in EVERY SINGLE DAY on the grassroots level since I became aware of Ron Paul and his message.

It bothers me that I'm a thread-killer here. Maybe instead of being labeled a traitor to the cause I would benefit from some advice from the old-timers here. I haven't made a chip-in, but I have asked for help. If I hadn't the radio ads and the newspaper ads probably wouldn't exist. I do resent the campaign for ignoring Vermont. I know first hand exactly what can be done with very little money here. And I have a right to question whether my money is better spent independently promoting Ron Paul as opposed to sending in donation to the campaign and seeing NOTHING being done here whatsoever.

$125 would buy 5 one minute ads on local conservative radio. Don't tell me they can't afford that. $152 would buy a slimjim sized ad in a free weekly newspaper with a readership of 28000, (24000 HOME DELIVERIES) read by everyone in a major population area of the state. For another $105 an ad could be placed in a daily paper that services an entire area of the state. This is the tip of the iceberg.

WHY the campaign isn't doing this makes no sense to me. Why is it so trollish for me to say so?

Who has called you a traitor? Perhaps because you are new here you are missing the intent of the OP...

ISTM - True supporters who complain about the campaign are just venting and the effect on the GR is a net negetive. What are the complaints expected to achieve? If someone feels that the campaign is mis-spending money, then just do something you feel is effective. There is no need to come on here and complain. I for one do not feel they have mis-spent any money. 20mil is a drop in the bucket compared to what the other campaigns are spending (except for Huck who has ignorant christians keeping him in the race). The emergance of the RP-GR surprised EVERYONE, RP and staff included. We can speculate that if they were doing things differently, things would be better, but we don't know that. Maybe they would be worse. Why did NY get 7% with NO help from HQ?The fact remains that we are still gaining steam in the greater goal of reforming the system. That is what matters. How much would we all have learned if HQ adopted the traditional campaign tactics that the complainers seem to want? How do we know that the people we are recruiting, who truly matter to the greater goal, would have been turned off to such tactics and just written RP off as "more of the same". Again I ask, what are the complainers expecting to achieve?

As far as being a thread-killer and not getting support for valid projects, I have quite a bit of experiance in that respect. SO WHAT!!! I have neither expected, nor waited, for anyone to catch-up to what I am doing. I just do my best to do what I think is effective. While I am truly indebted to those who have jumped in and helped me, I am not disappointed in those who have not. Hell, I am an old-timer here (and few have come close to doing half of what I have done for this campaign), does that mean I suddenly get full support for my projects? No, it doesn't. I am currently in TX, having just spent another thousand that I cannot afford and the only people who have helped are those who know me. SO WHAT!!!. What do people think the line, "Lives, Fortunes, Sacred Honor" means anyway?

Make History - Dare to Win!!

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

Amen. People are imperfect by nature.

I dont criticize any RP supporters as I have not done everything I could have for Paul. Or as fast as I should. Or as effective as I should have.

So why if I am not perfect can I guess what the campaign did, with what information, and how it was received?

[LittleLightShining]

Who has called you a traitor? Perhaps because you are new here you are missing the intent of the OP...

ISTM - True supporters who complain about the campaign are just venting and the effect on the GR is a net negetive. What are the complaints expected to achieve? If someone feels that the campaign is mis-spending money, then just do something you feel is effective. There is no need to come on here and complain. I for one do not feel they have mis-spent any money. 20mil is a drop in the bucket compared to what the other campaigns are spending (except for Huck who has ignorant christians keeping him in the race). The emergance of the RP-GR surprised EVERYONE, RP and staff included. We can speculate that if they were doing things differently, things would be better, but we don't know that. Maybe they would be worse. Why did NY get 7% with NO help from HQ?The fact remains that we are still gaining steam in the greater goal of reforming the system. That is what matters. How much would we all have learned if HQ adopted the traditional campaign tactics that the complainers seem to want? How do we know that the people we are recruiting, who truly matter to the greater goal, would have been turned off to such tactics and just written RP off as "more of the same". Again I ask, what are the complainers expecting to achieve?

As far as being a thread-killer and not getting support for valid projects, I have quite a bit of experiance in that respect. SO WHAT!!! I have neither expected, nor waited, for anyone to catch-up to what I am doing. I just do my best to do what I think is effective. While I am truly indebted to those who have jumped in and helped me, I am not disappointed in those who have not. Hell, I am an old-timer here (and few have come close to doing half of what I have done for this campaign), does that mean I suddenly get full support for my projects? No, it doesn't. I am currently in TX, having just spent another thousand that I cannot afford and the only people who have helped are those who know me. SO WHAT!!!. What do people think the line, "Lives, Fortunes, Sacred Honor" means anyway?

Make History - Dare to Win!!

I appreciate your reply. It's not my intention stir up trouble and contribute to pitting the GR against the HQ. I'm just frustrated by the lack of attention Vermont and other states, such as Wisconsin, have received. I spoke with our regional director yesterday and I feel somewhat deflated. The lack of validation from the campaign and the lack of willingness to cooperate in any way with the opportunities we have identified for Ron Paul here just makes no sense to me. Instead the focus is on the delegates, and I think this is extremely important, don't get me wrong.

We have all done what we could and have been working very hard, making big sacrifices. So when the campaign says they won't pay any attention to a state that has yet to vote just because we're a primary state and Ron Paul hasn't done well in primaries-- well that just frustrates me. Especially when advertising is so cheap, we have targeted media who wants to talk to Ron Paul, we only have paper ballots here, we have a scrupulous secretary of state and an extremely small population with a very conservative Republican base. I'll stop my griping now, even though I think my point is more than valid.

[acptulsa]

I'm advocating we get Dr. Paul on the ballot in November with or without the G.O.P. nomination. This will be a good bargaining chip for Dr. Paul in a brokered convention unless they get mad at him for it--and the only way to avoid that is for us to do it without Dr. Paul's permission! This thing is much, much bigger than the official campaign HQ. Isn't it?

How much of the victory of the Revolutionaries was due to George Washington's official Continental Army and how much was due to unofficial action? If you don't want to follow HQ, just don't put any stumbling blocks in their way and try to make sure your oar is pulling in the correct direction.