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LozoyA
02-25-2008, 06:26 PM
Howdy,

sorry for the short thread , but this guy really , really annoys me...

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/02/25/is-this-libertarianism.aspx

devil21
02-25-2008, 08:52 PM
Nevermind that this mailer was targeted to Texans. Im sure there are no illegal immigrants that look like that in Texas. :rolleyes:

However, Kirchick's legitimate angle is that Libertarians are traditionally open border friendly, as was Ron Paul *prior* to the invasion of 20 million illegals into the country.

EDIT: Are yall saying that its fake? I saw it on another thread as legit. Not the most tasteful but still would get the point across. If Hillary can send out pics of Obama lookin more like Osama then I'd say this "mailer" isnt too bad....

0zzy
02-25-2008, 09:36 PM
presidential campaign is highly incompetent.

MikeSmith
02-25-2008, 10:18 PM
I'm pretty sure it's fake... "Ron Paul Says - No Social Security For You!" It reads like a Seinfeld character said it.

RonPaulalways
02-25-2008, 10:27 PM
James Kirchick should do a story about his magazine's editor-in-chief, Martin Peretz, who called Arabs "murderous and grotesque". The thing is James Kirchick only has a problem with racism if the person being racist is against US military interventionism on behalf of Israel.

berrybunches
02-25-2008, 10:42 PM
http://wonkette.com/360628/a-very-special-sneak-preview-of-paultard-nations-flag

Its fake. Please go here http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/contact.aspx

and tell them to remove the article "Is this Libertarinism?" because it is not real.

Luft97
02-25-2008, 10:56 PM
Talk about lack of journalistic integrity. That shows just how credible his first smear campaign on Ron was. The guy gets duped by a wonkette joke and reports it. Amazing!

Doktor_Jeep
02-25-2008, 11:12 PM
Save those web pages. I think the Blowfish should get sued for slander over this.

Smidley
02-26-2008, 12:05 AM
Wonkette is linking to TNR, not the other way around.

Smidley
02-26-2008, 02:47 AM
Researcher's Analysis of al Qaeda Images Reveals Surprises (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/08/researchers-ana.html)
Neal Krawetz's BlackHat presentation (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/files/bh-usa-07-krawetz.pdf)
Neal Krawetz's White Paper (http://www.hackerfactor.com/papers/bh-usa-07-krawetz-wp.pdf)
Error Level Analyser (http://www.tinyappz.com/wiki/Error_Level_Analyser)

After reading the first three preceding links and using the program from the last link, here are my results:

First, here are two obviously photoshopped images.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5439/wishboneai2.jpghttp://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5948/chickenresultbg1.png

You can see that the heads, hands, and upper-left/lower text have been added.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6509/greyhoundracingle7.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2015/rabbitresultgm6.png

Here you can see that the dogs and upper-left text have been superimposed on the rabbit image.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4724/mailerea5.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1338/mailerresultim0.png

I'm no expert, but that looks pretty fake to me!

If this is real, and TNR doesn't want to get sued for libel, then they should post a hi-res scan so we can read the postage stamp value and postmark date.

Smidley
02-26-2008, 02:56 AM
If it really is a scanned image or photograph as it's presented to be, the color transitions in the error analysis result would be a lot smoother.

Luft97
02-26-2008, 03:00 AM
Oh I agree, I looked at it in photoshop and could tell it was fake. I am surprised that any Ron Paul supporters that are still here would fall for it. Ehh oh well.

Smidley
02-26-2008, 03:12 AM
It's not the Ron Paul supporters I'm worried about...

angelatc
02-26-2008, 10:15 AM
I think it's probably real. Did Ron Paul actually sponsor a bill titled "Social Security for Americans Only?"

Yes, he did.

I wish I could post over there. But I sure don't want to subscribe to that. Just thinking about it makes me want to shower.

Thanehand
02-26-2008, 04:09 PM
Supporting/sponsoring a bill does not mean that he mailed this out. For all we know, it could be one lone grassroots supporter that created and mailed this. The Liberty Papers has emailed the campaign and not posted a response yet.

Has anyone called the campaign yet to find out if this is legitimate?

I'm itching to add a new scam to the Ron Paul Timeline :)

colecrowe
02-26-2008, 06:19 PM
What would happen if someone altered an image, and then printed it out, and then scanned it again (both the print and the scan being only average/not very high resolution)? Would that "beat" this type of analysis? If so, I bet whoever did this wishes they had done so.


Researcher's Analysis of al Qaeda Images Reveals Surprises (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/08/researchers-ana.html)
Neal Krawetz's BlackHat presentation (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/files/bh-usa-07-krawetz.pdf)
Neal Krawetz's White Paper (http://www.hackerfactor.com/papers/bh-usa-07-krawetz-wp.pdf)
Error Level Analyser (http://www.tinyappz.com/wiki/Error_Level_Analyser)

After reading the first three preceding links and using the program from the last link, here are my results:

First, here are two obviously photoshopped images.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5439/wishboneai2.jpghttp://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5948/chickenresultbg1.png

You can see that the heads, hands, and upper-left/lower text have been added.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6509/greyhoundracingle7.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2015/rabbitresultgm6.png

Here you can see that the dogs and upper-left text have been superimposed on the rabbit image.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4724/mailerea5.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1338/mailerresultim0.png

I'm no expert, but that looks pretty fake to me!

If this is real, and TNR doesn't want to get sued for libel, then they should post a hi-res scan so we can read the postage stamp value and postmark date.

angelatc
02-26-2008, 06:32 PM
I didn't keep any of the official campaign literature we had here, but the whole "look" of that looks like the "Stop NATFA" handout we had.

Nirvikalpa
02-26-2008, 07:24 PM
Is it me or does the ad look to have a date of "2006" on it and the address is for "Washington Boulevard, Arlington, Virginia, 22201."
If this was 'sent out in the 80's and 90's' why do they have the campaign endorsement on them?

Unfortunately, I can't get the actual address clear enough to read it. Bu based on work in Photoshop, it absolutely looks fake, and 'square cut', which is the easiest way to copy/cut/paste an object with the marquee tool.

Thanehand
02-27-2008, 04:38 AM
No updates? The liberty papers hasn't posted any feedback from the campaign yet either.

LozoyA
02-27-2008, 08:08 AM
I don't believe it's real, it's just not the way that RP addresses the issues.

diesirae
02-28-2008, 08:19 PM
No updates? The liberty papers hasn't posted any feedback from the campaign yet either.

I emailed them, and haven't heard back either.

But they didn't say they would be emailing everyone back, either, so it doesn't really say anything.