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Bern
02-25-2008, 01:09 PM
Saw this buried in another thread here and thought it deserved more attention:


"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist."

- Winston Churchill, Nov. 21, 1943
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Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

...But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?

Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."

The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.

Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51.

U.S. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Venice (Los Angeles County) has come up with a new way to expand the domestic "war on terror." Her Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (HR1955), which passed the House by the lopsided vote of 404-6, would set up a commission to "examine and report upon the facts and causes" of so-called violent radicalism and extremist ideology, then make legislative recommendations on combatting it.

According to commentary in the Baltimore Sun, Rep. Harman and her colleagues from both sides of the aisle believe the country faces a native brand of terrorism, and needs a commission with sweeping investigative power to combat it.

A clue as to where Harman's commission might be aiming is the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, a law that labels those who "engage in sit-ins, civil disobedience, trespass, or any other crime in the name of animal rights" as terrorists. Other groups in the crosshairs could be anti-abortion protesters, anti-tax agitators, immigration activists, environmentalists, peace demonstrators, Second Amendment rights supporters ... the list goes on and on. According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counterterrorism Center holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month.
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Rule by fear or rule by law? (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL) (San Francisco Chronicle)

travisAlbert
02-26-2008, 08:59 PM
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 barred the use of Federal troops from doing the work of police, except in the cases delegated by the constitution. If I am not mistaken the only times when the executive can use federal police is in the cases of Counterfeiting, Piracy, and Treason cases (under the authority of Congress). Sadly, however, President Bush has basically killed this act.

Ex Post Facto
02-26-2008, 09:28 PM
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 barred the use of Federal troops from doing the work of police, except in the cases delegated by the constitution. If I am not mistaken the only times when the executive can use federal police is in the cases of Counterfeiting, Piracy, and Treason cases (under the authority of Congress). Sadly, however, President Bush has basically killed this act.

I don't think he has killed it. He has failed to follow it. I wish he had more respect for the laws of this country, and respect for the constitution. It pisses me off to no end that our congress sits and twirls on it's thumbs doing nothing about it.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
02-27-2008, 05:45 AM
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 barred the use of Federal troops from doing the work of police, except in the cases delegated by the constitution.

Unfortunately, nothing stopped police from becoming local military. Nothing stops police from accepting federal money to further militarize themselves. When the feds provide your money, guess who you're serving.

Police are supposed to be civilian community members. There are numerous reasons for that.

liberteebell
02-27-2008, 06:03 AM
I don't think he has killed it. He has failed to follow it. I wish he had more respect for the laws of this country, and respect for the constitution. It pisses me off to no end that our congress sits and twirls on it's thumbs doing nothing about it.


Does nothing about it? Heck, most of them vote in favor of all this crap!

Look at this: http://gop.gov/web/guest/home

Ex Post Facto
02-27-2008, 11:02 AM
Does nothing about it? Heck, most of them vote in favor of all this crap!

Look at this: http://gop.gov/web/guest/home

touche'

Mach
02-27-2008, 11:16 AM
Does nothing about it? Heck, most of them vote in favor of all this crap!

Look at this: http://gop.gov/web/guest/home

Damn Straight!

Two Paths...... Same Destination (Destined-Nation)

This is worth a replay too....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQ7Prwh7Gc