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Cleaner44
02-21-2008, 11:51 AM
Neoconservative policies
Irving Kristol, the "god-father" and one of the founders of neoconservatism, stated five basic policies of neoconservatism that distinguish it from other "movements" or "persuasions". These policies, he claimed, "result in popular Republican presidencies":

Taxes and Federal Budget: "Cutting tax rates in order to stimulate steady economic growth. This policy was not invented by neocons, and it was not the particularities of tax cuts that interested them, but rather the steady focus on economic growth." In Kristol's view, neocons are and should be less concerned about balancing fiscal budgets than traditional conservatives: "One sometimes must shoulder budgetary deficits as the cost (temporary, one hopes) of pursuing economic growth."

Cutting taxes is a good thing. Running deficits is not a good thing. While deficits can be debated, just remember that Neocons continue to grow our debt which in turn make us slaves to the bank or lender. There is no upside for the borrower to be in debt eternally.

Size of Government: Kristol distinguishes between Neoconservatives and the call of traditional conservatives for smaller government. "Neocons do not feel ... alarm or anxiety about the growth of the state in the past century, seeing it as natural, indeed inevitable."

Neocons want to grow the size of government. This should be an obvious position of liberals, Democrats, socialists, whatever. Conservative Republicans have been and should always be for smaller government. This is one of the biggest differences between being a Republican and a Democrat. Low taxes and small government go hand in hand. Big government and high taxes are liberal positions. Big government and low taxes equals massive debt. Massive debt equals slavery to the bank.

Traditional Moral Values: "The steady decline in our democratic culture, sinking to new levels of vulgarity, does unite neocons with traditional conservatives". Here Kristol distinguishes between traditional conservatives and libertarian conservatives. He cites the shared interest of Neocons and Religious Conservatives in using the government to enforce morality: "Since the Republican party now has a substantial base among the religious, this gives neocons a certain influence and even power."

This is where Neocons use conservative Republicans to further their agenda. By capturing the religious vote the gain power. This power is then used to further the financial goals.

Expansionist Foreign Policy: "Statesmen should ... distinguish friends from enemies." And according to Kristol, "with power come responsibilities ... if you have the kind of power we now have, either you will find opportunities to use it, or the world will discover them for you."

This foreign policy is all about bowing to the United Nations and other groups. The United States is being made subservient to the United Nations and our sovereignty is being eroded. We now go to war, spend our money and spill our soldier’s blood for United Nations Resolutions. This is the vision of Neocons and their New World Order.

National Interest: "the United States of today, inevitably ... [will] feel obliged to defend ... a democratic nation under attack from nondemocratic forces ...that is why it was in our national interest to come to the defense of France and Britain in World War II ... that is why we feel it necessary to defend Israel today."

This is the agenda we now have to be the policeman of the world. You will hear many justifications for this such as, “we have to make the world safe for Democracy” and other such excuses. The reality of our policies is in clear opposition to this justification. As an example, we give money to military dictators of other nations and we remove elected officials of other nations if we find they are not to our liking. The reality is that the expansionist foreign policy is not for any noble cause. It is for money and power.

Irving Kristol (born January 22, 1920, Brooklyn, New York City, New York) is considered the founder of American neoconservatism.

Kristol was born into an Orthodox Jewish family, and had a bar mitzvah. However, he maintains that belief had nothing to do with his family's observance.[1] He earned his B.A. in History from the City College of New York in 1940, where he was an active Trotskyist.

Trotskyism is the theory of Marxism as advocated by Leon Trotsky.

Karl Marx was the author of The Communist Manifesto.

Mach
02-21-2008, 05:05 PM
Here is an Illustration... ohhh... what a tangled web they weave......................

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/02/01/GR2008020102389.html

Cleaner44
02-22-2008, 02:54 PM
I hate Neocons!

Mystile
02-22-2008, 03:00 PM
The whole "defend a democracy" fell apart as soon as we started overthrowing democratically elected governments and supporting dictators.