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lonestarguy
02-21-2008, 10:07 AM
Friends, the 2008 DC March, is gonna be a boomlet unless the Freedom Movement comes to terms with the future. The march I advocate is when we inaugurate Ron Paul as president. But we have to have a campaign first!

Truly, I think we should be putting our efforts into convincing Ron Paul to run 3rd party (LP, as Paul's a lifetime member or Constitution Party) with a credible running mate, say, Judge Andrew Napolitano or former New Mexico 2-term Governor, Gary Johnson. Heck, Napolitano/Johnson would be a helluva ticket.

Would the activists of the day have let Washington, Adams, Jefferson, retire to the farm before victory was won?

If all the choices come down to McClinton or McBama and the freedom movement fails to offer up its own credible choice, then we deserve to be shamed, for failing to continue the fight for the hearts and minds by exposing, introducing, educating, and recruiting hundreds of thousands if not millions of new recruits to the movement by competing in the presidential general election. To me, this whole exercise has been about educating the sheeple on how to regain their liberty and freedom and their republic.

Many lessons have been learned. We must put those lessons to good use in a fall campaign. One of the biggest lessons is the soft, lighter than grandma's biscuits, hq generated campaign ads (that are still running, for heaven's sake!). We needed hard hitting Ron Paul CPAC-speech type ads that went at our socialist competitors in the gop. We need ads that compared and contrasted freedom and big govt statism. The freedom message sells when presented properly, yet HQ had the money to put these ads together but failed miserably. We must heed these lessons for the spring, summer and fall general campaign.

And a march on Washington, without the prospect of competing in the fall?! Hell, your asking for a resounding dud, period. Lets get real here. After Ron Paul secures his primary congressional race on March 4th, Ron Paul should say, 'damn the torpedoes' full-speed ahead', and dive right into a presidential quest. Rest assured this will keep the movement together, focused and highly juiced and the money will flow again when the people see, wow, yes, we battle forward in earnest !

Yes, continue to try to take over the gop, if your into that, great. But dont expect democrats, independents, union workers, the unemployed, remnants of our fading middle-class who could give two sh@ts about the gop, but who support the freedom message and whose eyes have been forever opened, dont expect them to follow you in your quest to overtake the neocon gop.

The Freedom Movement must battle forward denying the gop the white house by running at them and condeming their welfare/warfare message by peeling off 10%, 15%, 20% of the general election vote, while at the same time educating and recruiting the masses to freedom's cause and for future electoral battles. Rest assured, the gop will see the light when they know they will be forever denied the white house until they come around to the freedom message.

"Power, without a demand, concedes nothing!"

acptulsa
02-21-2008, 10:19 AM
Power, without a demand, concedes nothing.

So far, the powers that be aren't seeing that demand. They aren't seeing that demand because we're not getting them off their couches in truly significant numbers yet. Things haven't gotten that bad just yet. We see it coming. We're also smarter than your average bear.

Please take this one step at a time. You don't have to join the march, even though it isn't the worst way to demonstrate to the public our numbers and dedication. Try getting your home state to vote for their own on March 4, then start a petition drive to get Ron Paul on the ballot in Texas in November with or without the G.O.P.'s blessing. You seem to have the energy and drive. You know where we need to be. If you don't think the march will help, do something that does.

We have other threads about a third party run (there are millions of them around). Dr. Paul is deliberately downplaying this as it turns off G.O.P. primary voters. So what? Get the petition going of your own volition and without the official campaign's blessing! We know from 1957 that if his nation drafts him, Dr. Paul will serve.

Why do we have to answer the same questions a thousand times? Doesn't anyone ever read existing threads before they post?

belian78
02-21-2008, 10:20 AM
blah blah blah... RP said himself he is not going to run 3rd party. we'd rather have him on capitol hill fighting for us, than at home doing nothing. this march is for us, and our movement we are creating in this nation. if RP was to get the nomination then awesome, but that's not what the march is all about.

move along... please delete this thread.... :mad:

tstorey
02-21-2008, 11:53 AM
why Dr.Paul asked for the march.

He has spent his life in Washington fighting for us.

Our success in this campaign has given Dr. Paul more power in congress.

DC is run on fear. Fear of getting reelected. Fear of "being on the wrong side" of an issue ...................etc.

We show up in big numbers and we give him still more power.

Every politician and operative in Washington has seen EVERYTHING you and I have seen in this campaign.

In particular, they have seen the media HOSE JOB.

They have seen that the blackout has not worked.

They see 100,000 of us in DC this spring and they will be.......................

skeered.

Too much freaking out about the presidential campaign.

You hang the world on getting elected president and you got no world.
As you have learned since Iowa, the voting results are controlled. There were three precincts in Harlem where Obama got NO VOTES. Dr. Paul does well in caucus states because it is very difficult to HOSE THE VOTE.

No one had heard of Dr Paul in March.

Millions know him and his message.

Millions more know he has been screwed.

Mission accomplished.

See you in DC!

lonestarguy
02-21-2008, 12:01 PM
blah blah blah... RP said himself he is not going to run 3rd party. we'd rather have him on capitol hill fighting for us, than at home doing nothing. this march is for us, and our movement we are creating in this nation. if RP was to get the nomination then awesome, but that's not what the march is all about.

move along... please delete this thread.... :mad:


Oh yes, when you don't agree, scream out delete delete! You can avert your eyes, but the fact is, if you don't keep the movement primed, excited, juiced and in the game then the movement is destined to be a footnote to history, at a time when everything, everything hangs in the balance. We are one incident, contrived or otherwise, from national lockdown by the fed-gov.

Remember, politics is war by other means. I suggest you go back and read why we must compete in the fall. Like you, Belian, we all love Ron Paul. He can still win his congressional seat and compete for president in the fall. The movement wins when he competes for president on a 3rd Party ticket. The LP is a step child of the Gop in anycase. Remember, we run to introduce, educate, recruit hundreds of thousands if not millions to the cause. Dont give up now. Lets offer the electorate the clear choice of freedom. And lets offer the electorate the real ability to protest the welfare/warfare statism that threatens us like never before.

RollOn2day
02-21-2008, 12:49 PM
Oh yes, when you don't agree, scream out delete delete!

Here here lonestarguy! Don't be swayed by the "We're gonna do it through the GOP even if it takes 100 years!" crowd.

The only thing that is truly NOT VIABLE for this election is getting to the White House through the GOP.

Some people are going to try and do this through the GOP but as you stated...how many of Ron Paul supporters are going to heed the call to join the GOP? (probably 70% are not Republicans and many of them have NO interest in joining their party)

But I tell you what. If the HQ didn't change to have first rate campaign managers that understood marketing....it wouldn't matter.

I'm holding my breath until after March 4th!

And to all you who are going to flame this thread and post....Yes we're still canvassing the streets asking people to vote for our main man Ron Paul...dispite the fact that he is in the damn GOP...not because of it.

affa
02-21-2008, 12:56 PM
Thanks to wonderful Presidential Executive Orders, KBR/Halliburton built detention centers, Homegrown Terrorism Acts, and other fun activities of our wonderful gov't...

This is NOT about rebuilding the GOP over the next 20 years.

Even Ron Paul warned of our dire future in his recent video message.

It's a now or never situation.

Ron Paul still can take the GOP nomination. But if he doesn't, we need to figure out another way - and not just one, but many. That should include the kitchen sink, being 'drafted' into multiple other parties tickets, etc. But for now? Let's get him that GOP Nomination too.

belian78
02-21-2008, 01:02 PM
you both are missing the point. it's not 'getting to the whitehouse through the GOP'. althought that would be amazing. it's 'changing the GOP from the inside out going forward'.

let me ask you a question... if RP did run indy/constitution party. you think the blackout is bad now? even if we did get on the ballots, there would be no debates. they would find a way to exclude him. sure we'd bitch about it, but if it did make the news it would be "fanatics make scene at debate last night" and then gone. all of 10 seconds of news. then when he got 2% of the vote in the general...

would you pick up whatever pieces are left and get active on a local level? even after all the spin the MSM would put on his loss in the general? you know they would. like RP said himself, they would have their ammo to say that our ideals are not wanted, are not viable, and the sheep would eat it up. it would be soooo much harder to fight on after that. would you still fight? or give up and call it all hopeless and wait for the endgame?

I would much rather have RP go back to congress a much more respected and influential member within the GOP having fought tooth and nail with the establishment to show what true republican values are, and how the GOP went wrong. I would much rather have him back in congress waiting with open arms for the other RP republicans to come and fight along side him, and have a much more powerful voice for us in congress. which is what this whole thing is about!

at any rate, your OP is another thread (aside from how much merit your passion and dedication deserves) that is sidetracking us from talking/planning for the actual march that RP himself called for. so yes, i did call for it to be deleted. not because your wrong or that you are not a true supporter, but because it sidetracks us at a time when we need solidarity and focus on what RP wants of us.

good day to you both. :D

phree
02-21-2008, 01:16 PM
The OP makes a good point.