Is it me or is the Republican "base" delusional?

[EvilEngineer]

I'm constantly stunned by the party-line republicans that follow the MSM like the gospel. Their assertions that McCain, Romney, or Huckabee could win in a general election... are just plain delusional.

Looking at the raw data in terms of number of people showing up for the primaries for each side... the democrats are coming out at a 3/4 majority right now.

Fast forward to the general election, and if the republican nominee smells anything like bush 2.0... or worse.. it's doomsday for the republican party all together. With approval ratings of now 19%... ANY semblance or relationship with Bush is a death sentence in the general election.

I mean... seriously, this is going to turn out to be a pathetic landslide for the democrats, especially if Obama gets the nomination. McCain will be slaughtered like a pig, not that he deserves much better.

Republicans need to really wise up to the fact that in this political climate, you cannot beat a democrat nominee, by trying to be a democrat (McCain) or running on continuing bush's legacy (Romney, Huckabee).... it's just plain suicide.

Oh well... America you were great... but now I fear you will fall.

[nodope0695]

Yeah...they are the sheeple. Base republican (of the neocon brand) are morons every bit as much as liberals are morons.

[Broadlighter]

There's a big elephant in the room and it says that 70% of the American people want out of Iraq and unless you commit widespread fraud or select a candidate who reflects real Republican values, you're going to lose the election.

The elephant keeps getting bigger every day.

It's kind of ironic that the GOP's animal symbol is the elephant.

[Carole]

I am very uncertain that 70% of Americans want out of Vietnam...oops, I mean Iraq.

Where is the last poll on this? Why do they keep voting for McInSane?

Americans just want more and more..100's of years of war and more wars. Crazy! The plan is working. NWO order out of Chaos.

Right, it's the Diebolds. I forgot. :eek:

[Anti Federalist]

I think it was Mencken who said:

"There are two parties in the United States, the Evil Party and the Stupid Party."

It was generally understood that the GOP was the stupid one.

Of course he was right.

[familydog]

I am very uncertain that 70% of Americans want out of Vietnam...oops, I mean Iraq.

Where is the last poll on this? Why do they keep voting for McInSane?

Americans just want more and more..100's of years of war and more wars. Crazy! The plan is working. NWO order out of Chaos.

Right, it's the Diebolds. I forgot. :eek:

That statistic...I think it's misleading. The majority of Americans want out of Iraq, but they wouldn't be in favor of an immidate withdrawal like Paul, Kucinich, and Gravel wants. That's partially why their campaigns are down or out. Why do most democrats continually vote for more funding for the war? Is it because they want to stay in Iraq? Maybe. But it's politics too. A few politicians can get away with voting against funding, but most can't. Their constituents may say they want us out of Iraq soon as possible, but do they really mean it? Not really.

But yes, Republicans are delusional.

[AdamT]

They're either delusional or they want to lose.

[acptulsa]

Well, let's see. My formative years were spend listening to Republicans defending Nixon because they were for law and order. My young adulthood was spent listening to Republicans shout about Reagan because they were for fiscal responsibility. Since that time they have impeached a sitting president for lying about an affair, defended sitting senators for attending whores and/or soliciting homosexual relations in public toilets, and broken off relations with not only one of our oldest and most steadfast allies but with one of their favorite country groups over the necessity to let Al Qaeda into Iraq.

And along the way they have labeled the media liberal yet taken their every word as gospel, given money to homosexual televangelists because they bash gays, and traded their liberties for security yet fought to keep their guns because they don't trust the government.

What do you mean by delusional? They're perfectly sane. We're the crazy ones. This must be true--they saw it on TV!

[Richie]

Well, let's see. My formative years were spend listening to Republicans defending Nixon because they were for law and order. My young adulthood was spent listening to Republicans shout about Reagan because they were for fiscal responsibility. Since that time they have impeached a sitting president for lying about an affair, defended sitting senators for attending whores and/or soliciting homosexual relations in public toilets, and broken off relations with not only one of our oldest and most steadfast allies but with one of their favorite country groups over the necessity to let Al Qaeda into Iraq.

And along the way they have labeled the media liberal yet taken their every word as gospel, given money to homosexual televangelists because they bash gays, and traded their liberties for security yet fought to keep their guns because they don't trust the government.

What do you mean by delusional? They're perfectly sane. We're the crazy ones. This must be true--they saw it on TV!

This deserves a reinforcement quote.

[WilliamC]

I think the vast majority of rank-and-file Republicans are of the opinion that the Republican establishment politicians are essentially "good" people who share their Conservative values.

The entire two-party system is geared to giving them an enemy, the Democrats, to rally against and therefore not have to question their own leaders too deeply.

They are either unable or unwilling to admit that the entire DC establishment, Republican and Democrat alike, is corrupt and addicted to power and could care less about the ordinary Americans they are supposed to represent.

So long as Ron Paul remains in the Republican Party I'll work within mine locally to talk to people and try to remind them that Conservatism is about the Constitution first and not about the Republican Party.

I hope it's not too little to late.

Maybe if enough people do this and the Republican Party really falls apart we can the ones to re-organize it so it is once more the Party of limited government and individual rights.

[liberteebell]

I think it was Mencken who said:

"There are two parties in the United States, the Evil Party and the Stupid Party."

It was generally understood that the GOP was the stupid one.

Of course he was right.


I dunno. After the last 7 years, I'd say the GOP has taken over in the evil department.


Answer to OPs question: yes, they're delusional. They are totally oblivious to the damage that jorge booosh, et. al. has done to their beloved party and the country.

By far, the biggest objection I get to Ron Paul is the fact that he's a republican. Many people hear that, and their hearing aids go to mute. That's after they give me a piece of their mind about republicans.

[slamhead]

This is one fact that always keeps me happy as I fight for Ron Paul. If Dr. Paul is not the nominee the republicans will go down in flames by such a huge margin that the party will be forced to return to its values and clean house. The time will be right to elect more RP candidates.

We need to start getting the message out to the delegates of the national convention that only Ron Paul can beat the democrats in the general election as he is the only one that will garner votes from the republican and libertarian parties along with his share of independents.

[Finn]

I'm constantly stunned by the party-line republicans that follow the MSM like the gospel. Their assertions that McCain, Romney, or Huckabee could win in a general election... are just plain delusional.

Looking at the raw data in terms of number of people showing up for the primaries for each side... the democrats are coming out at a 3/4 majority right now.
This is as far as I read because it's true. I mean hell, look at the glee McCain's (planned) downfall is causing around here.

And it's all planned.

Totally naive, delusional people.

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

Ya just from the numbers that are showing up to vote in primaries I think it is becoming impossible for any Republican to win.

And I am thinking even if Ron Paul was somehow a candidate that people could vote for in the general election I wonder if anyone associated with the GOP could win against the DEM jugernaut that is getting so many people automatically looking at their two main candidates. And the people are easily going back and forth between them.

Women sometimes are voting for Clinton or sometimes Obama.

The GOP is so scattered and divided.

[jason43]

Where is the last poll on this? Why do they keep voting for McInSane?



Simple, the 30% or so that agree with the war are the remnants of the GOP that are coming to vote, minus our 5-10% The other anti-war republicans are voting in the Democratic primaries because they have abandoned the GOP.

Its not really that hard to see... I like how they alway give the percentage of Republicans who support the war as 70-75 percent, and act like that is relevent... without the other 25-30% of the party, they lose the general election regardless of the majority within the party itself.

If you are a republican, especially of the old right/paleo/libertarian variety, these are dark days... my friends. ;)

[FreeTraveler]

They're delusional in their own way.

Of course, some of us believe Dr. Paul will run third-party and win, that there is no MSM blackout, that the Diebold machines are inherently honest, that the twin towers were imploded, that FedGov was innocent of all 9/11 involvement, that tinfoil protects our brains, or that David Rockefeller is one of the Lizard people.

We need to be careful about calling the kettle black, ya know?

[WilliamC]

This is one fact that always keeps me happy as I fight for Ron Paul. If Dr. Paul is not the nominee the republicans will go down in flames by such a huge margin that the party will be forced to return to its values and clean house. The time will be right to elect more RP candidates.

We need to start getting the message out to the delegates of the national convention that only Ron Paul can beat the democrats in the general election as he is the only one that will garner votes from the republican and libertarian parties along with his share of independents.

Looks like that's the strategy Ron Paul is using.

Those district 14 Texans just better keep him in his House seat!

[chiplitfam]

The "Republikan" Party is run by the same power structure as the "Demokratic" Party. Both are Socialistic and Communistic and Fascist. There really is no two party system; it is all a sham to make you believe that you have a choice between conservative and liberal. A sham to make you believe that you are really voting for a candidate of your choice (you aren't). Both of those terms, liberal and conservative, have no significance either. It is really the one reason why I am perplexed about why Ron Paul is not running on the Constitution Party. He needs to expose the lies about the Republican Party.

[JMann]

The fact that McCain beats O! and Hill in national polls doesn't make them delusional it makes them smart if they want to retain power, even if they can't stand him.

[WilliamC]

The "Republikan" Party is run by the same power structure as the "Demokratic" Party. Both are Socialistic and Communistic and Fascist. There really is no two party system; it is all a sham to make you believe that you have a choice between conservative and liberal. A sham to make you believe that you are really voting for a candidate of your choice (you aren't). Both of those terms, liberal and conservative, have no significance either. It is really the one reason why I am perplexed about why Ron Paul is not running on the Constitution Party. He needs to expose the lies about the Republican Party.

What if no one believed his exposure?

Now if Ron Paul loses his Congressional seat then he will have no excuse to stay in the Republican Party.

But so long as he can use it to advance his message I think it is a better choice than going into the third Party wilderness where mainstream America will ignore him more than they do now.

[Finn]

The "Republikan" Party is run by the same power structure as the "Demokratic" Party. Both are Socialistic and Communistic and Fascist.
Look, if you want to make people wonder about the illusional two party system you need to drop terms like "communistic" and "socialistic" because that only proves you are still watching the world from "the right".

It's evil people doing evil things, drop the terms and address the issues.

[affa]

Look, if you want to make people wonder about the illusional two party system you need to drop terms like "communistic" and "socialistic" because that only proves you are still watching the world from "the right".

It's evil people doing evil things, drop the terms and address the issues.

QFT

[acptulsa]

Well let's see. Australian Rupert Murdoch, who has given his legal limit to the Clinton campaign, owns the Wall St. Journal and Faux, yet conservatives will tell you that these are trustworthy sources of news and patriotic American institutions...

[klamath]

The fact that McCain beats O! and Hill in national polls doesn't make them delusional it makes them smart if they want to retain power, even if they can't stand him.
forget the national polls. Look at the electoral college polling. The Democrats are at 284 now. 270 = win

[lonestarguy]

Many on these forums are under the delusion that Ron Paul will not run 3rd Party.

Ron Paul will run 3rd Party if the people DEMAND that he run 3rd party. He had to be cajoled to enter the presidential race within the neocon GOP in February of 2007. He didnt really want to do it. But we are all so glad he did. Think for a moment. If Paul had not run in 2007 and up until now, what would you have been doing politically?

After Paul tidy's up and gains his congressional nomination in March 08, then we rise up and lovingly demand that Ron Paul continue his quest on the presidential level as a 3rd Party candidate as LP or CP.

Yes, even Dr. Paul can be convinced to lead the movement, and in the wake, introducing and recruiting millions of converts to the freedom message. We have to keep the movement pumped, growing, and juiced, for one day we will acheive real victory.

So, lets get with the program and figure out how to apply that loving pressure that will convince Ron Paul to run 3rd Party and propel the freedom movement forward and stop playing footsie for crumbs with the neocon GOP for god's sake.

I mean, wtf, Perot got 19% of the general election vote in '92 even with his weird antics of getting out and then back in the race. He didn't coalesce a movement. Ron Paul has and must continue...........

[pinkmandy]

Anyone who doesn't understand that economically we cannot afford the war yet is getting behind a person who wants more war and doesn't understand economics won't allow it is delusional. So, yes, the Republican party is delusional.

I'll say the same of the Democratic party since they are planning on taking their time ending the war, want universal healthcare and universal preschool.

So it seems most of our country is delusional, no? It's like having no job, being 2 months behind on your mortgage, being maxxed out on all your credit cards and heading to a car dealership to buy a new Corvette.

[jsu718]

The parties are on the brink of a merger. They have each become both evil AND stupid.

[tomveil]

Anyone who doesn't understand that economically we cannot afford the war yet is getting behind a person who wants more war and doesn't understand economics won't allow it is delusional. So, yes, the Republican party is delusional.

I'll say the same of the Democratic party since they are planning on taking their time ending the war, want universal healthcare and universal preschool.

So it seems most of our country is delusional, no? It's like having no job, being 2 months behind on your mortgage, being maxxed out on all your credit cards and heading to a car dealership to buy a new Corvette.

I want a Corvette :( Maybe if the government hadn't put me 30K+ into debt :(

[Karrl]

What would help the economy the most? Top answer---48% think pulling out of IRAQ would help the most. Breakdown---65 percent of Democrats think it would help the economy a lot, but only 18 percent of Republicans think so.

18%??? DOOMED!! The republican party is DOOMED!

Second most popular answer---more government spending!! OH WELL, they got it half right!!

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2008-02-08-stimulus-ap-poll_N.htm

[bcreps85]

The majority voting are stupid sheeple following the party line.

The party line is to lose though, and that is what the sheeple don't know. It is Hillary's turn...then when people are pissed at Democrats enough it will be Romney's turn.

[IChooseLiberty]

I'm constantly stunned by the party-line republicans that follow the MSM like the gospel. Their assertions that McCain, Romney, or Huckabee could win in a general election... are just plain delusional.

Looking at the raw data in terms of number of people showing up for the primaries for each side... the democrats are coming out at a 3/4 majority right now.

Fast forward to the general election, and if the republican nominee smells anything like bush 2.0... or worse.. it's doomsday for the republican party all together. With approval ratings of now 19%... ANY semblance or relationship with Bush is a death sentence in the general election.

I mean... seriously, this is going to turn out to be a pathetic landslide for the democrats, especially if Obama gets the nomination. McCain will be slaughtered like a pig, not that he deserves much better.

Republicans need to really wise up to the fact that in this political climate, you cannot beat a democrat nominee, by trying to be a democrat (McCain) or running on continuing bush's legacy (Romney, Huckabee).... it's just plain suicide.

Oh well... America you were great... but now I fear you will fall.

...and watch McCain win in November. I have this sick feeling in my gut just as I did with Bush in the last 2 election :( I applied for my passport yesterday and I'll be done with this country if McCain wins.

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

...and watch McCain win in November. I have this sick feeling in my gut just as I did with Bush in the last 2 election :( I applied for my passport yesterday and I'll be done with this country if McCain wins.

A passport is a good step. More Americans should get one and use it. Then maybe they would not be so excited about bombing other countries.

But you will be able to visit other countries for a while as a tourist with one. When you want to move to stay long term somewhere else you will need a work or student visa unless you have citizenship somewhere else fairly easily.

Just google "country work visa" for more info or visit the embassy site of the country you want to move to. Easiest usually is to have a company sponsor you.

[Xyrus2]

The fact that McCain beats O! and Hill in national polls doesn't make them delusional it makes them smart if they want to retain power, even if they can't stand him.

I'm not sure where they're polling, but according to the primary turnouts the democrats are OBLITERATING republicans by huge margins. And that's even before the real mud starts to fly.

Plus, any republican who even has the slightest tinge of "Bush" will be soundly defeated given the Bush's wonderful approval rating.

Right now, I'd say the republicans are going to lose with a 70-30 breakdown of the vote. The republicans have alienated the conservative base. They haven't got any energy, and all they are offering up is the same (and possibly worse) crap. They're trying to jump the shark, which is never pretty and is often the sign of an imminent demise.

Unless Paul gets the nomination, the GOP is going to be in for a tremendous beating in November.

~X~

[acptulsa]

The majority voting are stupid sheeple following the party line.

The party line is to lose though, and that is what the sheeple don't know. It is Hillary's turn...then when people are pissed at Democrats enough it will be Romney's turn.

Oh, the G.O.P. base is waking up to the fact that McCain is the next Bob Dole. We need to be gathering signatures on our petitions this summer. That way we have a Sword of Damocles to hold over the party establishment's head during the convention. Let the conservative rank and file wonder why the party bosses are even considering nominating this loser, much less in the face of the gold-plated fact that if they do, we'll split the vote.

The rank and file are, at least, realizing that the young conservatives are ready for a return to the type of libertarian ideals that Reagan at least paid lip service to, and that if the party is to have a future this is it. If the party bosses get too stubborn, people will begin to question why.

Much can happen--if we can just get to that magic brokered convention. Slam McCain!

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

Oh, the G.O.P. base is waking up to the fact that McCain is the next Bob Dole. We need to be gathering signatures on our petitions this summer. That way we have a Sword of Damocles to hold over the party establishment's head during the convention. Let the conservative rank and file wonder why the party bosses are even considering nominating this loser, much less in the face of the gold-plated fact that if they do, we'll split the vote.

The rank and file are, at least, realizing that the young conservatives are ready for a return to the type of libertarian ideals that Reagan at least paid lip service to, and that if the party is to have a future this is it. If the party bosses get too stubborn, people will begin to question why.

Much can happen--if we can just get to that magic brokered convention. Slam McCain!

If we do try to split the vote it would be humiliating to the GOP, for RP to beat the GOP nom McCain, even if we did lose to the Dem nom.

[acptulsa]

If we do try to split the vote it would be humiliating to the GOP, for RP to beat the GOP nom McCain, even if we did lose to the Dem nom.

There's a mouthful. Nothing--nothing--would spell doom for the party establishment like us getting Paul on the ballot with initiative petitions in fifty states and Paul edging out the warhawk. If we can put McCain in third by splitting the anti-war vote that would be the end of the neocons and no mistake. Or, at least, no further mistakes.

Would that be enough of a victory to justify all our hard work? I'd rather win, and taking the convention would do it, but I would definitely settle for destroying the neocons.

[acptulsa]

P.S. Think it's impossible? Let's see...

Bush's approval rating is below 20%. Ron Paul has topped 20% in caucus states, and all summer is a long time to finish the job of educating the voters that the caucus generally does--and remember, that's 20% in G.O.P. caucuses, and Paul has more appeal to independents. The Democratic nominee will have all summer to stick his or her foot in the mouth, or for the economic situation to get bad enough that the prospect for more debt to scare the voters even more, or for another bureaucratic screw-up on a FEMA scale to make anti-war independents question Democratic big-government ideals.

Hell, we'd probably win with the G.O.P. nomination. We'd split the votes for both parties if we'd get those ballot access petitions in. A win would be less likely, but putting McCain in third would be a serious possibility.