CNN: Polls Close, 2 Seconds Later Mccain Wins!

[Edu]

WTF? No numbers, nothing reported yet, he wins! (CNN projection in small print)

And no one is saying anything about how they figured this.

[Give me liberty]

McCain wins what?

[homah]

exit polls

mccain will win with 50-51%...

(edit -- he's talking about wisconsin btw)

[Give me liberty]

Are these voters dumb?

[Edu]

They didn't say it was based on exit polls. I was waiting for that.

And 1 minute later mccain is up there giving his speech, and of course he gets all the time he wants.

Now he's talking about how you should be scared of the "monsters" that are coming to get you.

This guy is total CFR you can just tell, he sold out all the way.

Oh, and he's going to make the world safe. Here comes the world police!

[coffeewithchess]

Are these voters dumb?

I keep asking myself this, and I'm afraid the answer is yes...my friends can't give me any reason they will vote for anybody...they are absolutely stupid sheep that know more about Master Chief than selecting our future Commander in Chief.

[forsmant]

I remember when they told us the winners before the polls closed. They projected presidents before the west coasts polls closed back in 1996 and 1992. At least now they have the courtesy of waiting until the voting is done.

[mcvac]

I mean...REALLY!! Where the hell do they come from? Do they crawl out from under slime coated rocks with their voter cards at the sound of his name?!!! I just don't get it! I haven't meant one McCain supporter yet!! Shit.

[Edu]

Paul is on the pie chart this time! He's not in gray either, it's red this time! Wow!

And 0% reporting and mccain is the winner at 64% !!

[Jeremy]

McCain win was obvious for WI

[Edu]

Our motto is "We fixed the machines so you don't have to decide!"

[Monotaur]

During McCain's speech, he pronounced "terrorist" just like Bush does... "terrist".

Kinda creepy.

[abe447]

Exit polling showed McCain winning easily. It's simple probability and statistics. I'm not sure why people can't figure this out.

[Acidlump]

Are these voters dumb?

As quoted from Men In Black. "The person is smart, it's the people who are stupid"

[Edu]

And they aren't showing Washington yet. WTF? Here's a post:

I can't speak for other counties, but Stevens County, remember it was the first one shown as 100% counted on CNN and RP supposedly got 2 delegates... Well... in Stevens County...


Ron Paul WON! Here's the email I just got from the Stevens County GOP Chair:

"Hi to all,
Had a call from the Statesman Examiner today regarding the caucus and
our totals. Wow!! 196 delegates were elected. This figure does not
include Alternates.
They come down as follows.
Ron Paul 83, Huckabee 50, McCain 24, Romney 6, Keys 2, uncommitted 18,
and appointed but not voting 13 because they weren't at the caucuses.
Look forward to seeing you all at the meeting on Saturday. We have a
lot of work to do as far as the convention and the Lincoln Day Dinner
is concerned. So much to do so little time.
See you Saturday, February 23, 11:00am

Perky Osborne
SCRCC Chair"

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=121752

[AJ Antimony]

Are these voters dumb?

I find it very sad that people vote for this guy. Then again, it's likely the entire voting system is rigged.

[Edu]

Free time for obama! 16 minutes and counting.....

Even the loser hillary got a lot of time.

Free time! Just kiss up to the CFR!

So far 3,000 people are smart and educated in wisconsin! (RP votes)

EDIT: 20 minutes and counting! Free time!! Come and get it!

[JordanQ72]

And no one is saying anything about how they figured this.

It's been explained on this forum AT LEAST a million times, literally. Search function is right up there.

[Edu]

It's been explained on this forum AT LEAST a million times, literally. Search function is right up there.Wolf on CNN said nothing about it at all, not if it was exit polling or what, just nothing.

And obama the socialist will subsidize your health care, how nice. Print more money.

And tax cuts for everyone!

He's going to fix the economy, and tax the hell out of CEO's of companies. That's going to work really well, everyone wants to work hard and solve company problems for minimum wage!

He's going to fix all kids toys! He will suck the lead out of them all!

And minimum wage will be raised so you are rich too! If you work in america, then you should be rich and he's going to make sure you are!

What a cool dude! He da man!

30 minutes and STILL counting! Free time for a socialist! Whoo hoo!

[JordanQ72]

Wolf on CNN said nothing about it at all, not if it was exit polling or what, just nothing.

Duh kiddo, it's news coverage of an important political event, not Stat 101 televised. He said CNN is projecting McCain the winner, this statement doesn't NEED any more explanation. Many items have varying complexities behind them that are placed behind a phrase, a phrase that doesn't regularly merit extraneous elaboration. If you're clueless about how election projections are done, educate yourself, but it would be completely redundant if every time a primary came around, CNN had to go into a 15 minute lesson about statistics.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/02/projection.explainer/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#WIREP
http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/stathome.html

[Edu]

Duh kiddo, it's news coverage of an important political event, not Stat 101 televised. He said CNN is projecting McCain the winner, this statement doesn't NEED any more explanation. Many items have varying complexities behind them that are placed behind a phrase. If you're clueless about how election projections are done, educate yourself, but it would be completely redundant if every time a primary came around, CNN had to go into a 15 minute lesson about statistics.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/02/projection.explainer/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#WIREP
http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/stathome.html

"From the exit polls CNN is projecting McCain the winner"

Yea, that would take a whole lesson in math and science to say that.

[newyearsrevolution08]

I am so sick of saying who won before seeing 100% of the votes.


You would be surprised or NOT actually lol BUT my father in laws step dad (yeah I know lol) was telling me WHY he is supporting mccain and quite frankly it is 100% due to the islamic terrorism bullshit.

He said he gets his news from only one place and that is the bible and is why he 100% believes they attack us because we are free and protecting israel. He then told me I needed to read the quran and see. I let him know I actually had a copy but still dont understand what a book had to do with a religion and THEN has to deal with suicide bombing and attacking america.

He got mad because I was in his mind attacking his religion and belief system and it really had NOTHING to do with politics in the least. I am thinking the bible/religious beliefs are something else we are up against which makes my stomache hurt.

His church preaches about the radicals who attack us and of course they would belief it the preacher talks about it as though it is fact.

Anyone else have thoughts on this stuff?

I never even thought to think that I needed to STOP talking about foreign policy and then get into a bible discussion over the election but I am seeing that ALOT of people who are PRO WAR are just doing that due to a faith based fear and that IS not something that you can simply change in a person or their view. Its their faith? how the hell do you talk opposite on a subject when all you would be doing was in their mind telling them their faith or idea of what was written is wrong?

I changed subjects before I got mad or said something rude. How can you really ask a person who believes in "blind faith" to change their point of view on a subject that they take as spiritual warfare?

I really want to know what churches are preaching each sunday about the terrorism and holy wars over there. Pretty sure that is the largest reason we have pro-war yahoos everywhere and nothing more.

Mccain will do well simply by scaring the shit out of the faith based sheeple and good luck trying to change not only their so called political view but in reality would be their religious view as to why we need to be in war.

[Penners]

"From the exit polls CNN is projecting McCain the winner"

Yea, that would take a whole lesson in math and science to say that.

and it makes me MAD AS HELL every time they do it!!!:mad:

[Edu]

47 minutes of free time! CNN picks it's candidate! (my projection in small print!)

Socialist going on and on with everything you want to hear! We will give you the treasury! Just ask!

On the positive side, more than 7,000 smart people in wisconsin! (at 37%)

Still not talking about washington.

[abe447]

They always show the winner's speech after a victory. Haven't you picked up on that yet?

[Edu]

How can you really ask a person who believes in "blind faith" to change their point of view on a subject that they take as spiritual warfare?Show them this:

America: Freedom to Fascism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

Then as their neurons untwist and the dizziness wears off, they start to realize that all is not what they thought it was. You ahve to give it about two weeks at least, depending on IQ and ability to use google.

Or not. Just leave them to their ignorant bliss and hope they are too stupid to go vote.

And almost 10,000 smart people in wisconsin!

And let's run hillary again! I bet obama is next, what the heck, replay the whole damned thing!

[Royksopp]

Learn some fucking statsistcs, spastics.

[JordanQ72]

"From the exit polls CNN is projecting McCain the winner"

Yea, that would take a whole lesson in math and science to say that.

Right, because you would have stopped at that...

If you really were just looking for that, that means you actually know what exit polls are AND WHAT THEY'RE USED FOR, and so, why are you even fucking making this thread? How they did the projection should be completely obvious to you, but it appears it was not, hence if they did say it was from exit polling-

You would be on here crying about how you weren't polled, or how you don't understand how exit polls can be used. Face it, you said something really stupid, and you're trying to cover for yourself. You were clueless about how a projection was done, it's obviously from exit polling, why you didn't know that, I have no clue.

[JordanQ72]

Still not talking about washington.

Because the polls aren't closed yet. You really are a dunce. You didn't even read my CNN link to educate yourself.

[Edu]

Learn some fucking statsistcs, spastics.
Learn to read the thread. That's not the point!

And anyway, sheesh, stats, yea math works when you are dealing with 0%, no numbers in yet so 0.00000 X 0.00000 + 0.000000 / 0.000000 = ??? mccain! Yea that's it!

[JordanQ72]

I am so sick of saying who won before seeing 100% of the votes.

70% of a vote count is in. Candidate A has 80% of the vote so far, Candidate B has 20% of the vote. You really wouldn't make a projection here? I mean, you don't even need any statistical tools, just know how to multiply two numbers.

[Bubba]

During McCain's speech, he pronounced "terrorist" just like Bush does... "terrist".

Kinda creepy.

Actually, that's an inside signal for the CFR. Sort of like "Mission Accomplished" was.

It's really The War on Terra. As in Terra Firma. :eek:

Google it.

(Alternatively: War on Tara which is even more heinous)

[Edu]

70% of a vote count is in. Candidate A has 80% of the vote so far, Candidate B has 20% of the vote. You really wouldn't make a projection here? I mean, you don't even need any statistical tools, just know how to multiply two numbers.It was 0% in, nothing was reported yet.

They were talking about washington earlier and now no mention at all, and since 0% is in for washington, I guess mccain won there too! It's statistics!

[Michael Landon]

My local news station in Duluth Minnesota (borders Superior Wisconsin) just reported that McCain had 59% of the total vote and Huckabee had 40%. I'm not exactly sure where they got that figure but they seemed to split Paul's 5% between the two. That's fucked up.

- ML

[abe447]

It was 0% in, nothing was reported yet.

They were talking about washington earlier and now no mention at all, and since 0% is in for washington, I guess mccain won there too! It's statistics!

Actually he did win the Washington primary! I think the primary was kind of irrelevant though. The caucus was a while back which McCain also won, but by a much smaller margin. Once again, they have the damn exit polling! If they show Obama and McCain up by 15-20%, logic tells us that he probably won the state. It's basic mathematics!!!!!!! If it's too close to call like the Washington Caucus, the Florida primary, or the Virginia primary, they wait a little while before they call it. They're not going to call it until they're sure as they were embarrassed in 2000.

[Edu]

It's statistics!

My projection! 40,000 smart people in washington!

I can't watch CNN anymore tonight, blood pressure statistics say I should be dead.

[WarningSLO]

Ugh.

CNN doesn't need to clarify to all of you, every time, "based on exit polls..."

Look at the work 'projection'. Everything you need to know is right there. It is not an absolute.

If they know their exit polls are 90+% accurate, and they have McCain winning at a big enough lead, then they can project the winner.

As long as the polls are closed and they aren't influencing actual votes yet to be cast, who cares who they project to win? I don't.

[JordanQ72]

It was 0% in, nothing was reported yet.

They were talking about washington earlier and now no mention at all, and since 0% is in for washington, I guess mccain won there too! It's statistics!

Thanks for being unable to answer my question. If you're just going to cry, there's no point in continuing this discussion.

[syborius]

Exit polling showed McCain winning easily. It's simple probability and statistics. I'm not sure why people can't figure this out.

You mean just like the simple exit polling in new hampshire that showed Obama with a huge lead then? right??

[abe447]

You mean just like the simple exit polling in new hampshire that showed Obama with a huge lead then? right??

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! My friend, you are wrong. The exit polls clearly showed that it was too close to call. I remember because it took them forever to call the race. The scientific polling by firms like rasmussen's and Zogby were the ones that had Obama up by about 8 points on average. Females made up the majority of voters in NH and they went to Hillary by a good margin. They didn't call the NH Democrat race until it was at least above 50% precincts reporting. I don't remember exactly when they called it though. You sir are WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! Stop making shit up please! Thank you!

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NHDEM

[Sandra]

No Abe, YOU are wrong. The pollsters were making the most aggressive arguements about why they were so far off. I can't see how you are able to defend it. They were so jaw dropping OFF on their projections!

I tell you what Abe, if you can provide a link to back up what you say from a credible source ( MSM or polling agency) I'll believe you, but right now I think everybody on this board thinks your fuul of it.

[abe447]

No Abe, YOU are wrong. The pollsters were making the most aggressive arguements about why they were so far off. I can't see how you are able to defend it. They were so jaw dropping OFF on their projections!

I tell you what Abe, if you can provide a link to back up what you say from a credible source ( MSM or polling agency) I'll believe you, but right now I think everybody on this board thinks your fuul of it.

Sandra, my friend. We are talking about the EXIT POLLS!!!!!!!! Not the scientific polls!!!!! Those were off by about 8-9%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_primary-194.html

Here are the polls where the pollsters were off!!!!!!!

Not the exit polls! The exit polls, like the one I linked to from CNN in my above post if you had bothered to look at it, showed that women were the majority of voters and mostly went to Hillary Clinton. The race was too close to call according to the EXIT POLLS so they didn't call it for Hillary until well into the night. The scientific pollsters, which we're not talking about here, were off because many voters made up their minds late and Hillary's crying incident played well with women voters. BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE POLLS!!!!!!!! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXIT POLLS!!!!!!!!!! And those showed it too close to call. So you are full of shit Sandra!!!!!!!! If you had been following the thread, you'd know that we were talking about EXIT POLLS! Reading comprehension helps!!!!!!!!

[JMann]

I remember when they told us the winners before the polls closed. They projected presidents before the west coasts polls closed back in 1996 and 1992. At least now they have the courtesy of waiting until the voting is done.

Classic example is trying to feed to us the Algore won in 2000 in Florida and there was an hour of voting left in the Republican leaning pan handle of the State.

If the race isn't close exit polls give them most of the information they need to call the race.

[Edu]

No one ever lies at a exit poll. Ever.

And the people taking the exit polls never fudge the figures or leave certain candidates off the count.

[phoenixzorn]

My local news station in Duluth Minnesota (borders Superior Wisconsin) just reported that McCain had 59% of the total vote and Huckabee had 40%. I'm not exactly sure where they got that figure but they seemed to split Paul's 5% between the two. That's fucked up.

- ML

Got a recording of that?? I'd like to see the 59/40/5 and hear them say it... it would be proof of someone altering the totals...

[AisA1787]

I mean...REALLY!! Where the hell do they come from? Do they crawl out from under slime coated rocks with their voter cards at the sound of his name?!!! I just don't get it! I haven't meant one McCain supporter yet!! Shit.

Seriously!!!! I haven't met one either. Wtf??