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New Governor Of Alaska
02-19-2008, 01:42 PM
Top political analysts on Lavrov’s ‘end of Europe’ Kosovo warning

15/ 02/ 2008

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MOSCOW, February 15 (RIA Novosti) - RIA Novosti asked a number of top political analysts / experts to comment on the words of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who has said that Kosovo's independence could be the beginning of the end for Europe, and that official recognition of its sovereignty will threaten global security.
What, we asked, will be the geopolitical consequences of Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence?

Alexander Rahr, a political analyst at the German Council on Foreign Relations and a member of the Valdai International Discussion Club, said:

Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence, and especially its recognition by European countries, would open up Pandora's Box. It may create a precedent for other separatist republics and autonomous regions, which would demand similar action and the same rights that may be granted to Kosovars.

Lavrov has a legal point. Basques may demand secession from Spain, Tiroleans could secede from Italy and Hungarians from Romania. North Caucasians may demand secession from Russia, and Bavaria may insist on independence from the Federal Republic of Germany.

READ MORE - http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080215/99319479.html



Biography of Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Sergey Viktorovich Lavrov

Lavrov, Sergey Viktorovich
Born in 1950, Russian.
Graduated from the Moscow State Institute of International Relations of the MFA of the USSR in 1972. Has a command of the English, French and Sinhalese languages.
Began his activity in 1972 at the USSR Embassy in Sri Lanka.
Worked in the Department of International Organizations of the MFA of the USSR between 1976 and 1981.
From 1981 to 1988 - First Secretary, Councilor and Second Councilor at the Permanent Representation of the USSR to the United Nations.
From 1988 to 1990 - deputy head of the Department of International Economic Relations of the MFA of Russia.
In 1990-1992 - director of the Department of International Organizations and Global Problems of the MFA of Russia.
In 1992-1994 - Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation.
From 1994 - Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations.
Has the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation.
Decorated with state awards.
Married, has a daughter.

http://www.ln.mid.ru/bl.nsf/0/d2da2ea4fd6ac214c3256e530042edfd?OpenDocument

WilliamC
02-19-2008, 01:46 PM
Let them all declare independence and watch the fallout as it happens.

Might be a foreshadowing of things to come here in the USA.

After the 2000 elections seems the blue States wanted to split from the Red States, looks like the West is going to be more Hispanic than American, and of course we all know the South has been wanting to rise again.

Could be interesting times to come....

Perry
02-19-2008, 01:47 PM
And Mrs Claus may divorce Santa. However unlikely.

Cali4RonPaul
02-19-2008, 02:05 PM
What is the point ?

With Kosovo independent, Serbia will be bitter yes, but eventually they will move on, and without Kosovo being a thorn issue they will eventually join the European Union.

After sometime they will have monetary union, after more time border controls will be removed..

Soon after EU will expand into Kosovo and Albania, And the same developments will follow, Monetary union, border control removals..

It will be one common market with open borders.. So this struggle is just a short term one.. It is eventual.. there is no point in Serbia taking to arms again over this issue because the future will be that nation states in europe will become irrelevant.

Anyeong
02-19-2008, 02:07 PM
Let's get TEXAS separated from the U.S. ASAP!!!!!!! I am ashamed that Kosovo is ahead of us in doing this!! :(

New Governor Of Alaska
02-19-2008, 02:22 PM
I think it's not the end of Europe but rather the end of EU. Number of EU members did not recognize Kosovo.



What is the point ?

With Kosovo independent, Serbia will be bitter yes, but eventually they will move on.....

They will never move on, Cali4RonPaul. Americans don't have sacred places like Europeans do, this is why you don't understand it.

What is the point? Well, I assume you did read the whole article but didn't get the idea.
OK...
Here's another one:

Does Balkanization Beckon Anew?
by Patrick J. Buchanan


"When the Great War comes, said old Bismarck, it will come out of "some damn fool thing in the Balkans."

On June 28, 1914, Gavrilo Princip shot the archduke and heir to the Austrian throne Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo, setting in motion the train of events that led to the First World War.
In the spring of 1999, the United States bombed Serbia for 78 days to force its army out of that nation's cradle province of Kosovo. The Serbs were fighting Albanian separatists of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). And we had no more right to bomb Belgrade than the Royal Navy would have had to bombard New York in our Civil War.

"At a Serb monastery in Pec," writes the Washington Post, "Italian troops protect the holy site, which is surrounded by a massive new wall to shield elderly nuns from stone-throwing and other abuse by passing ethnic Albanians."

READ MORE - http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25077

New Governor Of Alaska
02-19-2008, 02:23 PM
Let's get TEXAS separated from the U.S. ASAP!!!!!!! I am ashamed that Kosovo is ahead of us in doing this!! :(

Hey.... Take it easy.... Europeans are just more experienced than you are.

:D

Banana
02-19-2008, 02:32 PM
Hey.... Take it easy.... Europeans are just more experienced than you are.

:D

Ah, yes. They've been excerising the finer and lofty points of warfare for long times.

Seven years war?

Sixty year war?

Spanish Armada?

Crusades? (Some didn't exactly end up in the Promised Land.... They got lost in Eastern Europe and declared their own breathens infidels and wreaked havoc there)

The fall of Roman Empire?



Let's see we've had those on our soils:

Revolutionary War
French and Indian War
War of 1812
Civil War
....

Damn. we're out of practice! ;)

New Governor Of Alaska
02-19-2008, 02:41 PM
Damn. we're out of practice! ;)

Get out of your Mcdonald's, lazy Yankees, and go to Hungary to practice! :D

Budapest September 19, 2006

http://english.people.com.cn/200609/20/images/hungary3.jpg

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200609/20/images/hungary2.jpg

Anti-government protestors fight with riot police in front of the state television building in Budapest September 19, 2006. Hungary's opposition parties called on Tuesday on Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany to quit after thousands of people took to the streets in a night of anti-government riots in which 150 people were injured.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200609/20/eng20060920_304527.html


Clashes Disrupt Hungary’s Celebration of Anti-Soviet Revolt

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/10/24/world/24hungary.xlarge1.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/world/europe/24hungary.html

Laughingcow
02-19-2008, 02:55 PM
Let's get TEXAS separated from the U.S. ASAP!!!!!!! I am ashamed that Kosovo is ahead of us in doing this!! :(

Ditto, for California. We'll send all the Libs to Canada so they can be socialists like they wanto to. lol

Cali4RonPaul
02-19-2008, 04:36 PM
They will never move on, Cali4RonPaul. Americans don't have sacred places like Europeans do, this is why you don't understand it.


That is a good point, But if both Kosovo and Serbia are in the EU, share the same currency, have open borders, where one ethnicity claims heir becomes irrelevant.

If Kosovo Serbs are 1/3 their prewar population Now. Under a united EU banner Serbs can go move back to Kosovo free and clear again..

People do move on, or it becomes less an issue with time.. Case in point Northern Ireland.

One could also argue that Ireland now enjoys more "economic prosperity" as a result of EU membership.

New Governor Of Alaska
02-19-2008, 05:37 PM
Under a united EU banner Serbs can go move back to Kosovo free and clear again..

People do move on, or it becomes less an issue with time..


They will move in and out as TOURISTS. The local authorities will make new pro-Albanian laws which will destroy Serbian heritage.

You are an American it is very hard for you to understand. USA is young country with almost no history. I am sure you can go to Italy, Serbia, Germany or Poland as many times as you please but it doen't mean that you or your friend will change their heritage in any way.


Does Balkanization Beckon Anew?
by Patrick J. Buchanan

"At a Serb monastery in Pec," writes the Washington Post, "Italian troops protect the holy site, which is surrounded by a massive new wall to shield elderly nuns from stone-throwing and other abuse by passing ethnic Albanians."

READ MORE - http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25077

Cali4RonPaul
02-19-2008, 05:48 PM
They will move in and out as TOURISTS. The local authorities will make new pro-Albanian laws which will destroy Serbian heritage.

You are an American it is very hard for you to understand. USA is young country with almost no history. I am sure you can go to Italy, Serbia, Germany or Poland as many times as you please but it doen't mean that you or your friend will change their heritage in any way.


Does Balkanization Beckon Anew?
by Patrick J. Buchanan

"At a Serb monastery in Pec," writes the Washington Post, "Italian troops protect the holy site, which is surrounded by a massive new wall to shield elderly nuns from stone-throwing and other abuse by passing ethnic Albanians."

READ MORE - http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25077

But with EU common law and constitution requirments, laws favoring one ethnicity or another in Kosovo would be marginalized. Under the EU serbian families may just be reunited in Kosovo, under nationalist plans fences are erected and people are turned away..

The reason why you take such offense to the Kosovo issue, is because they Albanians are muslim and have roots in Ottoman Turkic peoples.. If that was not the case I highly doubt this would be an issue.

When montenegro broke away from Serbia in 2006? any big Fuss? no because they were slavic.

New Governor Of Alaska
02-19-2008, 05:57 PM
The reason why you take such offense to the Kosovo issue, is because they Albanians are muslim and have roots in Ottoman Turkic peoples.. If that was not the case I highly doubt this would be an issue.


Of cource! Albanians have very different culture and religion.
This is what I tried to explain. Right?


They will move in and out as TOURISTS. The local authorities will make new pro-Albanian laws which will destroy Serbian heritage.



But with EU common law and constitution requirments, laws favoring one ethnicity or another in Kosovo would be marginalized. Under the EU serbian families may just be reunited in Kosovo, under nationalist plans fences are erected and people are turned away...

Serbian families are not going to make laws to protect Serbian heritage.

Kosovo Serbs demonstrating against the proclamation of Kosovo independence. Photos

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MORE - http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20080219/99584289_1.html

freelance
02-19-2008, 06:36 PM
Let them all declare independence and watch the fallout as it happens.

Might be a foreshadowing of things to come here in the USA.

After the 2000 elections seems the blue States wanted to split from the Red States, looks like the West is going to be more Hispanic than American, and of course we all know the South has been wanting to rise again.

Could be interesting times to come....

My, this could certainly have some intended consequences. Talk about blowback!

nate895
02-19-2008, 06:41 PM
Let them all declare independence and watch the fallout as it happens.

Might be a foreshadowing of things to come here in the USA.

After the 2000 elections seems the blue States wanted to split from the Red States, looks like the West is going to be more Hispanic than American, and of course we all know the South has been wanting to rise again.

Could be interesting times to come....

I found it interesting that in my poll of Southerners, nearly 50% (4/9, 44.44%) actually were supporters of Independence before Ron Paul, and now 8/9 would be in favor.

molly_pitcher
02-19-2008, 07:05 PM
... and of course we all know the South has been wanting to rise again.

Could be interesting times to come....

Who told you? We thought everyone had forgotten about us.