VERY INTERESTING: Conspiracy against Ron Paul

[wgadget]

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_heavy_fe_080216_conspiracy_against_r.htm

[nate895]

Of course there is a conspiracy.

[wgadget]

Hey, be sure to read the COMMENTS section.

[NEPA_Revolution]

No surprise.

[pinkmandy]

I began investigating further...and found out that the Anti-Racists were recieving their directions from Daryle Lamont Jenkins of OnePeoplesProject.com...and that he and Bill White, Comander of the National Socialists movement, had been working together with the reporter who released the newsletters and that THEY had in fact supplied the newsletters!

Bill White...is a Federal agent.

www.HeavyFed.com



Is this true? Can anyone prove that?

[coffeewithchess]

The most obvious conspiracy against RP is his own campaign...

[nate895]

Holy crap, Bill White is a Federal Agent, this just gets weirder and weirder.

[nate895]

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[szczebrzeszyn]

And how credible this site/poster is?

[lastnymleft]

And how credible this site/poster is?

His site is linked to as a "Friend" link at the bottom of one of the guy's that he is accusing's site. Clearly, he was in with them at one stage.

[ArrestPoliticians]

The most obvious conspiracy against RP is his own campaign...

Yeah, since there are so many experienced, establishment-free strategists running national campaigns these days, we should've hired some true "professionals" :cool:

[affa]

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[coffeewithchess]

Yeah, since there are so many experienced, establishment-free strategists running national campaigns these days, we should've hired some true "professionals" :cool:

If you think RP's campaign has done a good job, I would like to know how. It doesn't take an "establishment" strategist to run a good campaign, it just takes some people that are competent in what they do, I haven't seen much competence from HQ.

[affa]

If you think RP's campaign has done a good job, I would like to know how. It doesn't take an "establishment" strategist to run a good campaign, it just takes some people that are competent in what they do, I haven't seen much competence from HQ.

I think they've done a great job. It's all about the details - for example, the decision to go transparent on donations and the fantastic counter on the website.

Has it been perfect? No. But that should never have been expected.

I realize some wanted to sweep the nation, but I guess I never thought it would be that easy. I've known from the second I heard Dr. Paul's message that the mainstream media would never, ever, support him. The momentum was all grass roots, and had to be.

Some say he should have spent everything in NH or whatever... and I don't think that would have done a thing, except break the campaign financially. I don't think an extra few million dollars worth of tv ads would have changed anything, election fraud or no election fraud (and for the record, I think there was - but not so much as to give him the win).

My biggest complaints with the campaign so far are actually quite minor - the first ad and the visas ad. The first, just because it was so bad, and the second, because I thought it was poorly worded and had the potential to turn some people off. The message itself was fine, I suppose, but it needed more finesse.

But these are minor complaints. I think many people have a very inflated idea of what a few million dollars can actually do when it comes to television.

From what I can tell, the campaign understood not only its strengths and weaknesses from the very beginning, but also understood the media onslaught and/or blackout (depending on the day) that they would be up against. And they played to that, and were fortunate enough to have an extremely powerful grass roots movement.

Put it this way - if the army of us couldn't win the country outright in a primary sweep, what makes you think HQ could? We're far more powerful.

But just as I've always known this would be difficult, I've always known Ron Paul will be president. I have no doubt we're in for a ride, and the best is yet to come.

[Shink]

Well, if you look into COINTELPRO, you see that the Feds have infiltrated racist groups, probably any large militias, patriot movements like this one, and worked in stealth to ruin the chances for a widespread revolt of the people of this country. All they need to do to ruin someone is to have an asshole 'skinhead leader' endorse a good, patriotic man. It's a dirty tactic that works.

[jkm1864]

Racist ..... Everyone is prejudiced. I work on boats meaning real small communities and I watch people alot when I sit down and eat. The blacks usually sit down and eat with blacks while whites eat with whites. The only way that rule changes if there is nt enough room to sit down or if the people worked together for a while and learned to like each other. People want to be around their own kind. The city I live in is hugely segregated meaning the blacks live on the north side and the whites on the south side. I would ask is that a crime or some sinister tactic of racism. No people want to be around thier own kind and to admit other wise is just plain blind and stupid. I am not saying that blacks don't live in my neighborhood but if they do they have made a decision to live in my neighborhood which I will not venture into the reason why. We are all just people we have the same wants and needs we just need to learn to respect each other for that.

[jkm1864]

Oh I will also point out out of the neighbors kids theirs and the indian couples couples across the street are the most manerly and respectful out of the bunch while the white kids around are total god foresaken heathens. I thought I would add that because a good upbringing doesn't matter if You are black or white it just matters if the belt was applied.

[coffeewithchess]

But these are minor complaints. I think many people have a very inflated idea of what a few million dollars can actually do when it comes to television.
I don't think it is inflated to wonder why the campaign hasn't had ONE NATIONAL TV ad, when Huckabee, McCain, Giuliani and Obama have(I have seen all of these with my eyes).


From what I can tell, the campaign understood not only its strengths and weaknesses from the very beginning, but also understood the media onslaught and/or blackout (depending on the day) that they would be up against. And they played to that, and were fortunate enough to have an extremely powerful grass roots movement.
The media blackout is also part of the campaigns problem. WHY did it take RP's campaign two months to ACTUALLY pick up the telephone and return Glenn Beck's phone calls and get RP on the show...AFTER THE campaign originally backed out of an interview they had already scheduled with Glenn Beck! Also, it doesn't explain why RP's campaign scheduled him for the Neal Boortz radio program and then backed out of that interview at the last minute either...sure, you can blame the media. I think RP's campaign has blame all over itself by ignoring Glenn Beck and Neal Boortz type of interviews, but repeatedly having RP or staffers go on Alex Jones' program...makes no sense whatsoever if you are actually trying to reach new people.



...were fortunate enough to have an extremely powerful grass roots movement. Put it this way - if the army of us couldn't win the country outright in a primary sweep, what makes you think HQ could? We're far more powerful.

But just as I've always known this would be difficult, I've always known Ron Paul will be president. I have no doubt we're in for a ride, and the best is yet to come.

You are absolutely correct, it has basically been the RP grassroots that has gotten the campaign as far as it has come. I would just like to know why they seemed to blunder MILLIONS of dollars on poorly made commercials, not keeping interview commitments with TV and Radio show hosts that have MILLIONS of listeners and viewers. It doesn't make any sense. Maybe the reason the campaign backed out of those interviews was so that RP would have enough time to write his new book coming out in April...

[Rhys]

The movement to smear HQ came from outside in order to cut off donations and redirect them to blimps.

HQ is not perfect but they did what they could. They were poor until November, and still not very rich after that with pay-spurts. It's hard to budget on a pay-spurt.

[belian78]

The movement to smear HQ came from outside in order to cut off donations and redirect them to blimps.

HQ is not perfect but they did what they could. They were poor until November, and still not very rich after that with pay-spurts. It's hard to budget on a pay-spurt.

dont tell that to coffeewitchess, you'll intrude on her anger. :D

[ArrestPoliticians]

If you think RP's campaign has done a good job, I would like to know how. It doesn't take an "establishment" strategist to run a good campaign, it just takes some people that are competent in what they do, I haven't seen much competence from HQ.

"Competent in what they do"....and what kind of people do you think "DO" national presidential campaigns on a regular basis?

They have a WORLD CLASS website better than any other candidate. They invented the "live widget" fund raising tool. They brought 350 campaign workers to IOWA and pretty much canvassed the whole state. They had 1,000 workers in New Hampshire. The precinct captain system is absolutely ingenuous. They started a rEVOLution that will go down in history...need I say more? They managed to beat big-media sweethearts like Giuliani and Thompson.

They are pretty good at what they do given the circumstances: a TOTAL media blackout.

Were there some flaws? Sure. They should have put someone more paranoid in charge of the phone banking lists in Iowa so we didnt get hacked and achieved the third place finish we deserved. The early commercials couldve been better(although the radio ads were excellent). It is absolutely CRUCIAL that we place the blame on those responsible, however. That is, the mainstream media.

[coffeewithchess]

The movement to smear HQ came from outside in order to cut off donations and redirect them to blimps.

HQ is not perfect but they did what they could. They were poor until November, and still not very rich after that with pay-spurts. It's hard to budget on a pay-spurt.

Again, HQ asked for $12 million for the 4th quarter, not "$12 million by December 1st(or even Dec. 16th)". We sent HQ $19.5 million in the 4th quarter. No, I'm not "from outside", I've been with RP since the beginning. I was on Fox News in May of 2007 at the first Fox News debate holding a Ron Paul Revolution sign in the midst of the Romney, McCain, and other supporters...none of that matters. The fact is pretty simple, RP's campaign is being run by amateurs and nobody has been fired after spending more than $20 million with little to show for it. Is this how RP would run the White House?

[coffeewithchess]

It is absolutely CRUCIAL that we place the blame on those responsible, however. That is, the mainstream media.

You can blame the media I agree, but you can also blame his campaign. Blaming the media doesn't explain why RP took two months to actually go on Glenn Beck after originally backing out, blaming the media doesn't explain why RP didn't go on Neal Boortz's radio program after scheduling an interview, blaming the media doesn't explain why RP didn't go on Fox News after the last Myrtle Beach, SC debate.

[ArrestPoliticians]

You can blame the media I agree, but you can also blame his campaign. Blaming the media doesn't explain why RP took two months to actually go on Glenn Beck after originally backing out, blaming the media doesn't explain why RP didn't go on Neal Boortz's radio program after scheduling an interview, blaming the media doesn't explain why RP didn't go on Fox News after the last Myrtle Beach, SC debate.

Those are small mistakes, IRRELEVANT to the big picture. Was Ron Paul's campaign perfect? No. Was McCain's a disaster? Yes. Guess who has 800+ delegates.