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rp4prez
02-18-2008, 04:59 PM
I got this from another forum I visit and thought it was interesting so I'm seeing what you all think about it. :)


About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new Constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:


"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."

"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."



The sequence of the downfall of nations:

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;

2. from spiritual faith to great courage;

3. from courage to liberty;

4. from liberty to abundance;

5. from abundance to complacency;

6. from complacency to apathy;

7. from apathy to dependence;

8. from dependence back into bondage"

Mitt Romneys sideburns
02-18-2008, 05:30 PM
Its not about maintaining a Democracy, its about maintaining a Republic. Democracy is the new favorite word of the socialists.

Cleaner44
02-18-2008, 05:42 PM
Its not about maintaining a Democracy, its about maintaining a Republic. Democracy is the new favorite word of the socialists.

+1

phill4paul
02-18-2008, 06:01 PM
Its not about maintaining a Democracy, its about maintaining a Republic. Democracy is the new favorite word of the socialists.

Quite so. A Constitutional Republic. Loose the Constitution and we become a failed democracy.

Sarah
02-18-2008, 09:14 PM
^ Exactly and I fear without Ron Paul in the White House we will not be long before we are under a dictatorship.

I found an article that I found interesting about Failed Democracy but posted it in a new thread as not to hijack this one.

rp4prez
02-19-2008, 10:28 AM
^ Exactly and I fear without Ron Paul in the White House we will not be long before we are under a dictatorship.

I found an article that I found interesting about Failed Democracy but posted it in a new thread as not to hijack this one.

can you link to the thread? :)

BuddyRey
02-19-2008, 10:30 AM
Its not about maintaining a Democracy, its about maintaining a Republic. Democracy is the new favorite word of the socialists.

I've heard this a number of times already, but I still don't get it. It seems to me that a Democracy could protect property rights and personal liberties just as well as a Republic could, as long as it follows a binding Constitution or other founding document that protects certain rights as inalienable.

Naraku
02-19-2008, 01:44 PM
Once again this nonsense about democracy and republic.

Democracy is not majority-rule and republic is not better than democracy. Democracy is rule by the people and so no matter how you want to slice it our country is a declared democracy and always has been by definition because by definition rule of the people, for the people, by the people is democracy.

Athens did not have democracy. They were ruled by white males picked by lot, women could not have power, slaves could not have power, and no one outside the ruling group could actually rule in any sense. That's not democracy that's a rotating oligarchy.

Criticism of democracy seems to be misguided as no true democracy has ever existed. An elite have always in one way or another controlled the masses. Rule of law was subject to those elite. This was no different in a republic, in fact, it's almost inherent. A constitution limiting government power is only as strong as the will of the government to honor the constitution and the ability of the people to make them honor it. If the government is not of the people, by the people, and for the people, a constitution is truly meaningless to the people.

LibertiORDeth
02-19-2008, 01:50 PM
I've heard this a number of times already, but I still don't get it. It seems to me that a Democracy could protect property rights and personal liberties just as well as a Republic could, as long as it follows a binding Constitution or other founding document that protects certain rights as inalienable.

if it follows a binding constitution its a constitutional republic. Like were sposed to have.