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ghemminger
02-18-2008, 04:21 PM
Now that I and others are running for GOP offices...I have had almost daily contact with our local GOP office...

What, if any, efforts should we make to unify and work with the existing GOP?

Are we going for more of "change through cooperation" or "change through taking over"... strategy...

They are constantly talking to me about coordinating our meetup efforts, fundraising and have mentioned many, many times...."Do not Run against EXISTING Republican Encumbents.....:confused:

Please no attacks....this is a legitimate question I keep running into....

nate895
02-18-2008, 04:24 PM
Change through taking over, unless they are willing to cooperate with us as we take it over.

Drknows
02-18-2008, 04:26 PM
Change through taking over, unless they are willing to cooperate with us as we take it over.

Yes sir

ghemminger
02-18-2008, 04:29 PM
Change through taking over, unless they are willing to cooperate with us as we take it over.


Using this "language" is ver adversarial and I am not sure if it will work...:confused:

stevedasbach
02-18-2008, 04:29 PM
Now that I and others are running for GOP offices...I have had almost daily contact with our local GOP office...

What, if any, efforts should we make to unify and work with the existing GOP?

Are we going for more of "change through cooperation" or "change through taking over"... strategy...

They are constantly talking to me about coordinating our meetup efforts, fundraising and have mentioned many, many times...."Do not Run against EXISTING Republican Encumbents.....:confused:

Please no attacks....this is a legitimate question I keep running into....

You mean like the Republican establishment not running against existing Republican incumbents like Ron Paul?

If you want to actually change things, you have to be an advocate for what you want. If you hide your beliefs and support candidates you despise just to get ahead in the organization, you won't be able to change anything once you get there.

That said, you will probably get more accomplished initially by running candidates in districts that don't already have Republican incumbents. If the party sees that Ron Paul Republicans are able to defeat Democratic incumbents you will be in a stronger position to advance those candidates in future elections, even against Republican incumbents.

pacelli
02-18-2008, 04:30 PM
We're encouraging the GOP to get back in touch with the conservative base by supporting candidates that have a conservative record.

ghemminger
02-18-2008, 04:31 PM
You mean like the Republican establishment not running against existing Republican incumbents like Ron Paul?

If you want to actually change things, you have to be an advocate for what you want. If you hide your beliefs and support candidates you despise just to get ahead in the organization, you won't be able to change anything once you get there.

That said, you will probably get more accomplished initially by running candidates in districts that don't already have Republican incumbents. If the party sees that Ron Paul Republicans are able to defeat Democratic incumbents you will be in a stronger position to advance those candidates in future elections, even against Republican incumbents.


I like you points... I will proceed with caution and with a strong coalition perhaps we can run against some of the moderate Republicans

nate895
02-18-2008, 04:31 PM
Using this "language" is ver adversarial and I am not sure if it will work...:confused:

The rank and file will catch on eventually, it is the leadership that will want to fight us every step of the way.

P.S. My candidacy will go up against an incumbent Republican.

ghemminger
02-18-2008, 04:32 PM
The rank and file will catch on eventually, it is the leadership that will want to fight us every step of the way.

P.S. My candidacy will go up against an incumbent Republican.

Wow - Good for you Nate - I'm treading a little carefully...They know we are Ron Paul Supporters but are watching us very closely....It's very strange.

Bold As Love
02-18-2008, 04:35 PM
Are we going for more of "change through cooperation" or "change through taking over"... strategy...


It is just my opinion, but "cooperating" with the GOP establishment is selling out what we stand for.

Ron Paul appeals to many of us specifically because he doesn't go along through cooperation. The fact that he has earned the nickname "Dr. No" and been on the correct side of more than one 434-1 vote in the House is a positive attribute worthy of emulation.

I don't insinuate that you are in favor of such a course, but just wanted to throw that thought out there.

Fyretrohl
02-18-2008, 04:38 PM
Let them know that you support any candidate whose record stands up to the Republican Party Platform. Let them know that you will stand up against any person whose record is not in line with the Republican Platform and ideals. We do not support the 'party'. We support the ideals.

WilliamC
02-18-2008, 04:39 PM
Never compromise your principles, and let it be known that you won't do so.

Of course if your principles are a strictly Constitutional form of government then you'll be forcing your opponents to argue against it when they argue against you.

So tell the GOP that you will support the Constitution first and the Party second, and that any candidate wishing for your endorsement better do the same.

That's what I'll be doing even if I'm not running for anything, just attending meetings.

And thanks for putting yourself out there!

TruthAtLast
02-18-2008, 04:54 PM
i don't think we compromise our beliefs and support any GOP candidates that don't follow them.

It is the GOP that should be supporting US not the other way around.

"Change (even positive change) can not occur without power. And power is never given to those who do not reach for it." - G. Edward Griffin

Tdcci
02-18-2008, 04:59 PM
Using this "language" is ver adversarial and I am not sure if it will work...:confused:

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! --Barry Goldwater

nate895
02-18-2008, 05:28 PM
I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! --Barry Goldwater

Thank you for reminding me to put that in my sig.

Working Poor
02-18-2008, 05:37 PM
I would like to cooperate with the party and follow their rules but I will still vote for RP if I have to write him in.

Cleaner44
02-18-2008, 05:40 PM
I suggest change through cooperation as much as possible. Hopefully these existing Republicans can get on board withthe idea of limited government. Keep in mind they have been fooled by Neocons posing as conservatives. Neocons are big government socialists that are not opposed to big spending. Help bring back old Republicans to small govt - low taxes. Win them over with true Republicans values.

Any Republicans that want to hold on to Neocon ways should be ousted and you should easily be able to explain running against existing encumbents. Just state the fact that Republicans have lost their way and Americans are rejecting them. 2006 was bad, 2008 will be worse. If Republicans want to return to power, they had better get the message.

trapfive
02-18-2008, 05:41 PM
That entails compromise! I believe compromise is exactly the problem. The Republican Party has compromised this country into bankruptcy and increased peril due to mis-guided foreign policy.

Our "founder of the revolution" follows the "founders of the constitution", just ask ; what would Dr. Paul do and I think you have your answer.

BillyDkid
02-18-2008, 06:36 PM
The GOP is corrupt. After what they did to the Ron Paul campaign and Ron Paul supporters, the way they duped the American people -I'm sorry, screw the GOP. These people are the enemy. You don't collaborate with the enemy. You know as well as I do that any overtures made by the GOP came only after they were sure they had defeated Dr. Paul and only because they want to suck in all the Dr. Paul support. I am changing my affiliation right after the convention. If they believed in liberty and wanted to save this country they would have supported or at least not undermined Dr. Paul's campaign. As much as I despise Hillary, if she's the nominee I will campaign for her to defeat McCain. I will eat dirt and like it to keep the GOP nominee out of the White House.

Andrew-Austin
02-18-2008, 06:46 PM
Crumbling the existing Republican establishment is better then letting it live.



The GOP is corrupt. After what they did to the Ron Paul campaign and Ron Paul supporters, the way they duped the American people -I'm sorry, screw the GOP. These people are the enemy. You don't collaborate with the enemy. You know as well as I do that any overtures made by the GOP came only after they were sure they had defeated Dr. Paul and only because they want to suck in all the Dr. Paul support. I am changing my affiliation right after the convention. If they believed in liberty and wanted to save this country they would have supported or at least not undermined Dr. Paul's campaign.

As much as I despise Hillary, if she's the nominee I will campaign for her to defeat McCain. I will eat dirt and like it to keep the GOP nominee out of the White House.

You lie.... What the fuck would the point of that be. Does not make any sense to campaign for Hillary in order to spite the GOP.

Mccain, as much as I despise him, would at least have approval ratings as low as Bush within a year. Hillary on the other hand is a snake and would manipulate the masses into accepting her for awhile. An angry America is better then a passive America. Mccain wouldn't ever win in a million years anyway though.

LibertyEagle
02-18-2008, 07:16 PM
Change through taking over, unless they are willing to cooperate with us as we take it over.

heh. +100

Carole
02-18-2008, 07:36 PM
Yes, they compromised by allowing Dems to come into and subvert the Rep party.

Do support candidates who fall in line with Dr. Paul and with whom you can speak and convince that they need to help return the party to conservative values.

Do not be bullied however by those who have not good intentions. If an incumbent is Rep. and can be beaten, do it if you can. But try to face Dems who are incumbent if possible.

Cooperation must not become compromise, we want the conservative party back. Cooperation must not become acquiesence-this is the danger of too closely cooperating.

Let them know that our goal is to return the party to its core values.

Remind yourself and them how they have conspired over and over to keep Dr. Paul marginalized and to cheat the citizens of a good candidate.

Good luck. :)

PlzPeopleWakeUp
02-18-2008, 08:08 PM
nt

misconstrued
02-18-2008, 08:11 PM
"Do not Run against EXISTING Republican Encumbents.....:confused:

A Republican, who apparently has a lot of GOP support, is trying to take Ron Paul's seat....