LandonCook
02-18-2008, 02:16 AM
End the Libertarian Party!
I love what the party stands for but she is a dead duck! A sunk ship! A limp pecker!
I am 19 years old. I have long hair and shave ever 4 days... I'm scruffy.
I am also a Republican committeman.
I am a Delegate to the RNC and will make it to the National convention even though my state went for Huck.
I am going to the Arkansas 1st District Convention
I am also going to the State Convention.
I am also the newly elected Searcy County Republican Chairman.
I will be going to 4 conventions total. County, District, State, and National.
I will represent true conservatism at every one. I will have the ability to debate my fellow republicans and help turn people to our side at every step. I will have the ability to put forth resolutions and change party platform. We can fix this party!
The thing is... I have no backup!!!! Where are you my fellow countrymen! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?!
Sadly we still have people here who think we should all go back to the Libertarian Party!
End the 3ed party!
If we are in the libertarian party, we are doing the the marxists did... if we become part of the Republican party, we take the Marxist/lennonist path, and will take back power the same way we lost it! By taking over parties and countries!
These are our ideas... this is our cause. We fight fire with fire here. Power with Power. I will never be part of the libertarian party again. It is 100% Republican for now on.
So Help me fight to take her back!
Mini-Me put this perfictly...
I think a lot of the pro-Libertarian Party people are forgetting that the Libertarian Party has been around for decades, yet it hasn't had any real success. The reason is simple: Most voters think ONLY in terms of Republicans vs. Democrats, and they are only exposed to the candidates from these two parties. This situation sucks, but until someone changes the voting system, third parties will be forever unviable (and the only nonviolent way to change the voting system is to first take power in one of the existing parties).
Some people seem to think that, because the Republican Party is divided and scattered, it will somehow "dissolve" and leave an opening for a third party. This is a pipe dream. People cite how the Whig Party went the way of the dodo and left an opening for the Republican Party, but they're forgetting several very important things:
The Whig Party was not nearly as deeply entrenched as the Republican Party. The Whigs were only around for a grand total of 23 years, whereas the Republicans and Democrats have both been the dominant two-party system for over 150 years. That's a huge difference.
Voting and ballot access laws are intentionally a lot tougher on third parties now than they were at that time.
Back then, the entirety of the media was not controlled by a small handful of elites with a common vested interest in maintaining the status quo! The Democrats and Republicans are not going anywhere anytime soon, simply because the media has made sure that Average Joe thinks only in terms of Republicans vs. Democrats. To most people, other parties simply do not exist (and/or they're "not electable")...plus, the majority of America is stuck in the "lesser of two evils" mindset today, which affords the Republicans and Democrats an inherent and almost insurmountable advantage.
Also...let's face it...back then, political parties were most likely truly opposed to each other for legitimate ideological reasons. Nowadays, the two-party system we're dealing with is a "false dilemma" of controlled opposition. Whereas the Whigs were in it to win (and disbanded once they became divided and lost focus), the Republicans and Democrats are both essentially the same party controlled by the establishment. Both "sides of the coin" complement each other, and the establishment will continue to prop up both parties indefinitely to distract us and keep us all fighting each other over intentionally divisive social issues.
Look, guys...I really wish third parties were viable as well, but for all of the reasons above, third parties are in no position to get their messages out and affect significant numbers of voters. The only way people like us will ever change the political landscape is if we come to power by infiltrating the existing two-party system. People like us need to run for office as Republicans and Democrats and win primaries at the local and state levels...that way, we can use the strength and infrastructure of the two-party system to overtake the establishment. This means: Stay registered Republican, so you can vote for local, statewide, and national Ron Paul Republicans in primaries! Stay registered Republican, so maybe one day you can run for office as a Republican. This doesn't mean you can't vote for the Libertarian-Party candidates in the general election - in fact, when "our people" don't win the primaries, I suggest you do, in order to show your support for libertarian values and your rejection of the neocon platform! However, if we are to actually make a difference, the only way to be heard by voters at all is to reach for power by infiltrating the two major parties.
Remember to ask yourself:
If you were part of the establishment, which scenario would be more likely to keep you up at night...
a.) A handful of libertarians running for office under a third party most people have never even heard of (which will get no media attention)? Or
b.) An increasingly loud minority of libertarians persistently running for office against establishment candidates and attempting to overthrow your rule over the two well-established parties?
:)
We also have to remember two more things:
1.) If any third party ever did make any significant inroads at any level of government, the prevailing two-party system would waste no time in toughening voting and ballot access laws to prevent further gains. However, they're pretty helpless against infiltrators in their own parties - they can't keep themselves off the ballot, now, can they? ;)
2.) Time is always against us. Our liberties are disappearing by the day, and we simply do not have the time it will take to really build up a third party and draw public attention to it. In 36 years, the Libertarian Party has utterly failed to capture the spotlight at any time...they're pretty much absent from even local dialogue, their performance is rarely noted even in local publications, muchless national ones, and the MSM would certainly institute a blackout if it ever did make any significant nationwide gains. However, the MSM is largely helpless against local media covering numerous Republican/Democratic primary contests between "party line" candidates and "mavericks."
I love what the party stands for but she is a dead duck! A sunk ship! A limp pecker!
I am 19 years old. I have long hair and shave ever 4 days... I'm scruffy.
I am also a Republican committeman.
I am a Delegate to the RNC and will make it to the National convention even though my state went for Huck.
I am going to the Arkansas 1st District Convention
I am also going to the State Convention.
I am also the newly elected Searcy County Republican Chairman.
I will be going to 4 conventions total. County, District, State, and National.
I will represent true conservatism at every one. I will have the ability to debate my fellow republicans and help turn people to our side at every step. I will have the ability to put forth resolutions and change party platform. We can fix this party!
The thing is... I have no backup!!!! Where are you my fellow countrymen! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?!
Sadly we still have people here who think we should all go back to the Libertarian Party!
End the 3ed party!
If we are in the libertarian party, we are doing the the marxists did... if we become part of the Republican party, we take the Marxist/lennonist path, and will take back power the same way we lost it! By taking over parties and countries!
These are our ideas... this is our cause. We fight fire with fire here. Power with Power. I will never be part of the libertarian party again. It is 100% Republican for now on.
So Help me fight to take her back!
Mini-Me put this perfictly...
I think a lot of the pro-Libertarian Party people are forgetting that the Libertarian Party has been around for decades, yet it hasn't had any real success. The reason is simple: Most voters think ONLY in terms of Republicans vs. Democrats, and they are only exposed to the candidates from these two parties. This situation sucks, but until someone changes the voting system, third parties will be forever unviable (and the only nonviolent way to change the voting system is to first take power in one of the existing parties).
Some people seem to think that, because the Republican Party is divided and scattered, it will somehow "dissolve" and leave an opening for a third party. This is a pipe dream. People cite how the Whig Party went the way of the dodo and left an opening for the Republican Party, but they're forgetting several very important things:
The Whig Party was not nearly as deeply entrenched as the Republican Party. The Whigs were only around for a grand total of 23 years, whereas the Republicans and Democrats have both been the dominant two-party system for over 150 years. That's a huge difference.
Voting and ballot access laws are intentionally a lot tougher on third parties now than they were at that time.
Back then, the entirety of the media was not controlled by a small handful of elites with a common vested interest in maintaining the status quo! The Democrats and Republicans are not going anywhere anytime soon, simply because the media has made sure that Average Joe thinks only in terms of Republicans vs. Democrats. To most people, other parties simply do not exist (and/or they're "not electable")...plus, the majority of America is stuck in the "lesser of two evils" mindset today, which affords the Republicans and Democrats an inherent and almost insurmountable advantage.
Also...let's face it...back then, political parties were most likely truly opposed to each other for legitimate ideological reasons. Nowadays, the two-party system we're dealing with is a "false dilemma" of controlled opposition. Whereas the Whigs were in it to win (and disbanded once they became divided and lost focus), the Republicans and Democrats are both essentially the same party controlled by the establishment. Both "sides of the coin" complement each other, and the establishment will continue to prop up both parties indefinitely to distract us and keep us all fighting each other over intentionally divisive social issues.
Look, guys...I really wish third parties were viable as well, but for all of the reasons above, third parties are in no position to get their messages out and affect significant numbers of voters. The only way people like us will ever change the political landscape is if we come to power by infiltrating the existing two-party system. People like us need to run for office as Republicans and Democrats and win primaries at the local and state levels...that way, we can use the strength and infrastructure of the two-party system to overtake the establishment. This means: Stay registered Republican, so you can vote for local, statewide, and national Ron Paul Republicans in primaries! Stay registered Republican, so maybe one day you can run for office as a Republican. This doesn't mean you can't vote for the Libertarian-Party candidates in the general election - in fact, when "our people" don't win the primaries, I suggest you do, in order to show your support for libertarian values and your rejection of the neocon platform! However, if we are to actually make a difference, the only way to be heard by voters at all is to reach for power by infiltrating the two major parties.
Remember to ask yourself:
If you were part of the establishment, which scenario would be more likely to keep you up at night...
a.) A handful of libertarians running for office under a third party most people have never even heard of (which will get no media attention)? Or
b.) An increasingly loud minority of libertarians persistently running for office against establishment candidates and attempting to overthrow your rule over the two well-established parties?
:)
We also have to remember two more things:
1.) If any third party ever did make any significant inroads at any level of government, the prevailing two-party system would waste no time in toughening voting and ballot access laws to prevent further gains. However, they're pretty helpless against infiltrators in their own parties - they can't keep themselves off the ballot, now, can they? ;)
2.) Time is always against us. Our liberties are disappearing by the day, and we simply do not have the time it will take to really build up a third party and draw public attention to it. In 36 years, the Libertarian Party has utterly failed to capture the spotlight at any time...they're pretty much absent from even local dialogue, their performance is rarely noted even in local publications, muchless national ones, and the MSM would certainly institute a blackout if it ever did make any significant nationwide gains. However, the MSM is largely helpless against local media covering numerous Republican/Democratic primary contests between "party line" candidates and "mavericks."