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Truth-Bringer
02-15-2008, 04:50 PM
If you haven't seen this documentary, you definitely need to check it out:

Zeitgeist - in 3 parts

Part 1 - religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9br09jGoc&feature=related

Part 2 - 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtZgwAGGByA

Part 3 - The Men Behind the Curtain - Federal Reserve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__YFnUfYXZk&feature=related

kimo
02-15-2008, 05:01 PM
If you haven't seen this documentary, you definitely need to check it out:

Zeitgeist - in 3 parts

Part 1 - religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9br09jGoc&feature=related

Part 2 - 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtZgwAGGByA

Part 3 - The Men Behind the Curtain - Federal Reserve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__YFnUfYXZk&feature=related

Honestly, I don`t think, that this movie definitely needs to be seen. In many parts I find it discussing and "cheap". But this is just my opinion..

gutteck
02-15-2008, 05:28 PM
If you haven't seen this documentary, you definitely need to check it out:

Zeitgeist - in 3 parts

Part 1 - religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9br09jGoc&feature=related

Part 2 - 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtZgwAGGByA

Part 3 - The Men Behind the Curtain - Federal Reserve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__YFnUfYXZk&feature=related

That movie is full of lies. It tries to destroy Christianity with the Horus things while playing with your head telling you half truths about 911 and the NWO.
That movie wasn’t made to inform you but to deceive you.

Give me liberty
02-15-2008, 05:38 PM
That movie is full of lies. It tries to destroy Christianity with the Horus things while playing with your head telling you half truths about 911 and the NWO.
That movie wasn’t made to inform you but to deceive you.

Well said

1+

Funny how that guy in his voice says that the bible is a fairy tale lol

raiha
02-15-2008, 05:39 PM
Heard alot about it but have not seen it yet. Nobody has heard of it over here. So thanks for the links. I'll make up my own mind.

nullvalu
02-15-2008, 05:41 PM
I'd definitely recommend part 3. Parts 1 & 2........not so much.

Aidyl
02-15-2008, 06:52 PM
I love when the narrator states that the birth of Jesus is a fairy tale because "December 25th is a pagan holiday!!!" Um, of course it is, everyone knows Jesus wasn't born on that date...

Give me liberty
02-15-2008, 07:27 PM
I love when the narrator states that the birth of Jesus is a fairy tale because "December 25th is a pagan holiday!!!" Um, of course it is, everyone knows Jesus wasn't born on that date...

Atleast Jesus was real and he is the son of god :mad:
but yes, thats not his birthdate.

FreeTraveler
02-15-2008, 07:34 PM
Atleast Jesus was real and he is the son of god :mad:
but yes, thats not his birthdate.

YouTube or it didn't happen.

Seriously... got proof? All I've seen is some book and there was some guy in a suit my parents made me go see every Sunday when I was a kid, but it was obvious he didn't know what he was talking about.

FAITH is the reason people vote for a Hillary or an Obama. If more people would learn that's no substitute for logical thinking, Dr. Paul would ALREADY be President.

Fox McCloud
02-15-2008, 08:00 PM
I enjoyed Zeitgeist Part 3, but I didn't like Part 2, as it was overtly obnoxious, not to mention it wasn't done very well (and I consider myself a September 11th skeptic).

Zeitgeist Part 3 has a few fallacies, but, generally speaking, it's a good launching point to get people interested in "The Creature from Jekyll Island" which is very very accurate.

Sadly, the solution that they offer in Zeitgeist Part 3 is rather sad--they almost recommend a collectivist ideal solution to the entire problem, when, in reality, an individualistic solution is ideal.

Part 1, I never watched...as a believer in Christ, I completely reject their claims...yes, call me a hypocrite for not watching it, but I truly and really don't care--besides, from what I've heard, they juxtapose information and manipulate it anyway.

It's rather funny that so many libertarians down the Bible, when individualism is the very essence of it [the Bible].

jerry
02-15-2008, 08:01 PM
Zeigeist is perhaps the best movie ever made. One distilled raw truth nugget after another.

But the movie didn't answer the primal question underneath it all ... why?? Why did fake leaders twist the story of the stars to disconnect us from the earth to make us weak and to make us turn on each other? Another movie on the psychology of these fake leaders would be the next level. The Corporation is just the surface. Time to dig deeper.

gutteck
02-15-2008, 08:06 PM
YouTube or it didn't happen.

Seriously... got proof? All I've seen is some book and there was some guy in a suit my parents made me go see every Sunday when I was a kid, but it was obvious he didn't know what he was talking about.

FAITH is the reason people vote for a Hillary or an Obama. If more people would learn that's no substitute for logical thinking, Dr. Paul would ALREADY be President.

This is not about going to church. This is not about knowing every word in the bible. This is about whether you will let them mark you with the mark of the beast or not. One day you will face that choice and you will know that moment that the fact that they want to mark you is all the proof that you need.

FreeTraveler
02-15-2008, 08:09 PM
This is not about going to church. This is not about knowing every word in the bible. This is about whether you will let them mark you with the mark of the beast or not. One day you will face that choice and you will know that moment that the fact that they want to mark you is all the proof that you need.

Sorry, I don't need some scary fairy tale to tell me that protecting my privacy is important to me as a soverign individual. I'll resist Real ID because as a soverign individual no one has a right to track me, not because I read about it in a book.

Perry
02-15-2008, 08:10 PM
Great fiction.

weatherbill
02-15-2008, 08:24 PM
Zeitgiest parts 2 and 3 are real, but part one is based on pure BS...... first, he takes the english word "sun" and gets it to apply to Jesus, who was Jewish, using greek and aramaic languages of which the word "sun" means nothing..... it's fundational argumaent is purely rediculous! 2nd, they take the number 12, as in 12 disciples, meaning the 12 signs of the zodiac.,...again, not a thing in scripture relating the two.....besides, all the zodiac stuff is borrowed from seth, one of Adam's sons, who was divinely given the constelations long before the pagans took it and twisted it to mean what they wanted it to fit into their pagan concockted religions, so the whole of part one is completely baseless and philosophically unterly redicolous, but don't expect the dishonest men who made the movie to recant with honest rebuttle....... they want it to say what they want it to say to cover up their shame of the only one who is the true answer to this scum bag world....in fact, the very microchip implant they talk about, it's source comes from the bible rev ch 13, something of which they will not admit to....... such misinformation is really sad....people swallow such crap mixed with truth.......makes it hard for seekers looking for only truth.

gutteck
02-15-2008, 08:30 PM
Sorry, I don't need some scary fairy tale to tell me that protecting my privacy is important to me as a soverign individual. I'll resist Real ID because as a soverign individual no one has a right to track me, not because I read about it in a book.

The real ID is not the mark. But just think of the coming years. Do you think that you can just say that you are not going to get it and that is it? What are you going to do when they set up check points to check for a valid real driver’s license? The real ID is attached to the Drivers license and if you don’t have one you won’t be able drive. Also sooner than later it will be the only ID admissible to do any banking. And your employer will ask for it too because it will be required by law to employ anybody.

How soon do you think you will crack?


Do you think that these people are stupid? They will FROCE IT upon us.
And once it is all in place and everybody has their real ID and a global database of everything we do is in place then the RFID chip implants will come and just as easy they will crack people and force it upon them but this time you won’t be able to buy food without it.

Mach
02-15-2008, 08:38 PM
I found this years before that video ever came out...............

http://www.featherlessbiped.com/6696/XMAS/xmas.htm

Mach
02-15-2008, 08:45 PM
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."
-- Susan B. Anthony 1896



I read about an Eskimo hunter who asked the local missionary priest, ‘If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?’ ‘No,’ said the priest, ‘not if you did not know.’ ‘Then why,’ asked the Eskimo earnestly, ‘did you tell me?’
- Annie Dillard


"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."

"When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I stole one, and asked him to forgive me."
-- Emo Philips

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"
-- Mahatma Gandhi


"Christianity - The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense."

gutteck
02-15-2008, 08:49 PM
"Christianity - The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense."

Why don’t you attack Judaism? Come on tell us some shit about Judaism. Be a little fair.

Mach
02-15-2008, 08:57 PM
:D ............ OK

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

Mach
02-15-2008, 08:58 PM
SAMPLE from that link....

Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Mach
02-15-2008, 08:59 PM
You want to know the joke?

I'm half of each!:cool:

Mach
02-15-2008, 09:01 PM
Everyone for Ron Paul


http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/cohen1.html

MrZach
02-15-2008, 09:02 PM
If you haven't seen this documentary, you definitely need to check it out:

Zeitgeist - in 3 parts

Part 1 - religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9br09jGoc&feature=related

Part 2 - 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtZgwAGGByA

Part 3 - The Men Behind the Curtain - Federal Reserve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__YFnUfYXZk&feature=related

I started watching part 3, and no more than a few minutes into it was it lying and TOTALLY misquoting Wilson by taking 2 things he wrote out of context and BEFORE the he was even President and putting them together to make it look like he was talking about the Federal reserve and how later in life he regretted it!

That is SUCH major garbage, and I HATE it when people either are too stupid to do their own research or to hellbent on manipulation that they would completely misrepresent the truth to try and make their point. The guys in this "documentary" did one of those two, so I pretty much gave up watching it after another 15 minutes of what proved to be, after careful fact checking and research, total lies and manipulations of the truth.

If I wanted that kind of crap, I'd watch Michael Moore. Just because something is presented to you as a documentary, don't buy the BS as if its NOT fiction. Do the fact checking yourself.

gutteck
02-15-2008, 09:15 PM
You want to know the joke?

I'm half of each!:cool:

Which side of your family do you like best?

Mach
02-15-2008, 09:32 PM
I'm better than both sides...... they're hypocritical....

gutteck
02-15-2008, 09:40 PM
I'm better than both sides...... they're hypocritical....

Are you getting the real ID? And would you accept a RFID implant?