McCain really not natural born citizen! (NEW INFO: PROOF!)

[GHoeberX]

I've never started a "McCain is not a natural born citizen" topic before, because I found it a very debatable thing. This time I did make a new topic, because it seems to me that McCain REALLY isn't a natural born citizen. It's in the documents of The Department of State. Look what I found:

7 FAM 1116.1-4 Not Included in the Meaning of "In the United States"

(TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)

a. A U.S.-registered or documented ship on the high seas or in the exclusive economic zone is not considered to be part of the United States. A child born on such a vessel does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth (Lam Mow v. Nagle, 24 F.2d 316 (9th Cir., 1928)).

b. A U.S.-registered aircraft outside U.S. airspace is not considered to be part of the U.S. territory. A child born on such an aircraft outside U.S. airspace does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth.

c. Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.

Source: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

EDIT: I guess my first impression was wrong and this text is meant to explain that being born on a US military installation, is not a direct reason to be a citizen by birth. Having two US-parents IS a reason.

And Yes McCain was a US Citizen all his life, but is he a "natural born citizen"? I somehow keep on doubting about the question :/

[Bradley in DC]

Because McCain's parents were citizens when he was born, McCain IS a natural born citizen (no matter where he was born). This is the law: 8 U.S.C. Sec. 1401.

Significantly, however, Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that ''the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens. . . .'' [Act of March 26, 1790, 1 Stat. 103, 104. See Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657, 661 -666 (1927); United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 672 -675 (1898). With minor variations, this language remained law in subsequent reenactments until an 1802 Act, which omitted the italicized words for reasons not discernable. See Act of Feb. 10, 1855, 10 Stat. 604 (enacting same provision, for offspring of American-citizen fathers, but omitting the italicized phrase).]

McCain is either a "natural born citizen" [hint: he is] or a "naturalized" citizen [hint: he's not]--or do you contest his citizenship entirely?

Weedin v. Chin Bow (1927) holds that "at common law the children of our citizen born abroad were always natural born citizen from the standpoint of this government."
It is the consensus of scholars that foreign born children of Americans are natural born citizens. And that would mean that McCain would certainly qualify.

[hillertexas]

hmmmm...you think Romney knows about this?

[2young2vote]

That is great but was this true when he was born?

[Ricochet]

Sigh... this hoax is so old it's not funny.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

[GHoeberX]

Because McCain's parents were citizens when he was born, McCain IS a natural born citizen (no matter where he was born). This is the law: 8 U.S.C. Sec. 1401.

Significantly, however, Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that ''the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens. . . .'' [Act of March 26, 1790, 1 Stat. 103, 104. See Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657, 661 -666 (1927); United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 672 -675 (1898). With minor variations, this language remained law in subsequent reenactments until an 1802 Act, which omitted the italicized words for reasons not discernable. See Act of Feb. 10, 1855, 10 Stat. 604 (enacting same provision, for offspring of American-citizen fathers, but omitting the italicized phrase).]

McCain is either a "natural born citizen" [hint: he is] or a "naturalized" citizen [hint: he's not]--or do you contest his citizenship entirely?

Weedin v. Chin Bow (1927) holds that "at common law the children of our citizen born abroad were always natural born citizen from the standpoint of this government."
It is the consensus of scholars that foreign born children of Americans are natural born citizens. And that would mean that McCain would certainly qualify.
Alright, so every kid of two american parents born anywhere in the world is a natural born citizen?

[malibuu]

Because McCain's parents were citizens when he was born, McCain IS a natural born citizen (no matter where he was born). This is the law: 8 U.S.C. Sec. 1401.

Significantly, however, Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that ''the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens. . . .'' [Act of March 26, 1790, 1 Stat. 103, 104. See Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657, 661 -666 (1927); United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 672 -675 (1898). With minor variations, this language remained law in subsequent reenactments until an 1802 Act, which omitted the italicized words for reasons not discernable. See Act of Feb. 10, 1855, 10 Stat. 604 (enacting same provision, for offspring of American-citizen fathers, but omitting the italicized phrase).]

McCain is either a "natural born citizen" [hint: he is] or a "naturalized" citizen [hint: he's not]--or do you contest his citizenship entirely?

Weedin v. Chin Bow (1927) holds that "at common law the children of our citizen born abroad were always natural born citizen from the standpoint of this government."
It is the consensus of scholars that foreign born children of Americans are natural born citizens. And that would mean that McCain would certainly qualify.

McCain is a bona fide citizen but
Hint this : HE WAS BORN IN PANAMA - NOT A U.S. TERRITORY

You need to read the intent of the Framers . . .
as explicitly stated in the likes of the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers of the late 18th century
as well as the other writings found in any university law school collection like the Universioty of Iowa or DePaul University Law in Chi-town.

[Original_Intent]

Do you REALLY want to make the case that a child born to a serviceman and his wife who is serving overseas be denied citizenship? Are you or moron are do you keep bringing this up just for arguments sake?

This is at least the tenth thread on this, please stop it.

[Ricochet]

Alright, so every kid of two american parents born anywhere in the world is a natural born citizen?

Yes. Read the U.S Code Title 8 Section 1401 please.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

[AlbemarleNC0003]

Sigh... this hoax is so old it's not funny.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Older than McCain's mother.

[Fields]

Oh my god people. Stop with this crap.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Do you REALLY want to make the case that a child born to a serviceman and his wife who is serving overseas be denied citizenship? Are you or moron are do you keep bringing this up just for arguments sake?

This is at least the tenth thread on this, please stop it.

Hey, this 'moron' is directly responsible for tens of thousands finding out about Ron Paul, so how about you keep your slights to yourself ok.

[98Tokay]

Huh? Didn't this get debunked in 2000?

[malibuu]

Oh my god people. Stop with this crap.

Let Clarence Thomas and Ruth Bader Ginsburg et al. decide this
not morons like Fields

fer' Chris sake - it is NOT going away as much as Fields may want and need to prop up the Bhutto assasination "surge" of McLame still -

The only reason we all let it pass 8 years ago is because the R-AZZ Senator was slaughter by Bush43

now is the time to dice him up like the compromising, pandering, defacto amnesty advocate truly deserves NOW.

This is the truth and do not let this truth go away - ever !

[malibuu]

Huh? Didn't this get debunked in 2000?

Now it goes to court for them to decide.