Ron Paul's Mentor Larry McDonald on the CFR before his death.

[Mauiboy86]

Larry and Paul were good friends, Paul even spoke at Larry's funural.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3100752722910819372&q=%22larry+mcdonald%22&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[damoncrowe]

I have an aquaintance in Atlanta that had lunch with Larry shortly before his death and some wierd crap happened.
If I remember the story correctly. . . They had been seeing utility workers throughout their visit together. When they went to lunch, the utility workers came in and sat close by. My aquaintance finally leaned over across the aisle of the diner and told one of them that he had seen them following Larry and himself and asked what was going on.

The "utility worker" told my friend that they were keeping an eye on McDonald in order to protect him (or something like that).

The aquaintance told me and a few others the story about five years ago so some of the details may be incorrect and I cannot recall the entire story, but I thought it was a very interesting story.

[rollingpig]

REAGAN killed him?

[damoncrowe]

BUMP.

If you have not seen this, you must watch it keeping in mind that Larry McDonald was killed when Soviets shot down a Korean airliner that he was on.

[damoncrowe]

REAGAN killed him?

Its far more likely that this was orchestrated by the higher ups in the CFR and/or Trilateral Commission.

[damoncrowe]

As a point of interest, George Bush Sr was a big player in the CFR at this time. Larry McDonald was outspoken and had called for a congressional investigation of the CFR and the TC. He also had planned to run for President in 1988, the same year that George Bush subsequently ran for President and won.

[wgadget]

Well, at least I get to travel on the Larry McDonald freeway down here in ATL....I never knew there was such a conspiracy...sheesh.

[Phantom]

Congressman Larry McDonald: Prisoner Of War (http://www.rense.com/general40/prisoner.htm)


http://www.rescue007.org (http://www.rescue007.org)

[LandonCook]

Tom Braden reminds me of thompson...

[LandonCook]

He sounds just like Ron Paul!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3100752722910819372&q=%22larry+mcdonald%22&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

About Mcdonald- "He was the most principled man in Congress." - Ron Paul, The Philadelphia Inquirer

[LibertyEagle]

Larry MacDonald was on Korean flight 007. You know, the one shot down by the Russians.

[wortguy]

thank you soooo much for this link.
I had never seen this before. I guess I should spend more time googling!

[shane2]

In the video you'll see McDonald mention Dr. Carroll Quigley's book "Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time".

I'd read that back in the early 70's, a real eye-opener from a CFR historian insider whose only complaint was they were keeping secret their plans for a one-world govt. You can find it here...
http://www.amazon.com/Tragedy-Hope-History-World-Time/dp/094500110X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202939696&sr=1-1

It's a long read at 1,300+ pages, but there's another easier reading book that reviews, summarizes, and distills down the most important conspiracy parts entitled "The Naked Capitalist" by W. Cleon Skousen at...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0899683231/ref=pd_cp_b_2?pf_rd_p=317711001&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=094500110X&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1K67365ECCE43CBFPKN9

BTW, I used to be a JBS member back then, joining in HS, and while not still card-carrying, have solidly kept up my conservative leanings, studies, and hold dear most of their same concerns today. I'm grateful that they inoculated me for life against the liberal attitude and their media lackeys and, instead, towards real critical thinking to readily see how essential our Constitution is to true freedom and liberty.

That's also been my motivation for vigorously supporting Ron Paul, even though I knew TPTB would never allow his message a fair airing to the American people.

Win or lose, though, we are winning converts every day that are also being inoculated for-life by the Good Doctor to never again settle for anything less than a full embrace of the Constitution.

When it comes time to take this country back, whether he had won or not, we'll have thousands more fellow patriots standing shoulder-to-shoulder with us then because of him and this historic campaign having awakened them.

That's why I supported him getting this vital message out and will continue to do so for as long as his star burns brightly illuminating and awakening the masses.

- Shane

[Mystile]

spooky stuff :eek:

[Shink]

Funny how Pat now writes books claiming the CFR is the head of this conspiracy. He isn't digging very deep, but he's essentially taking the position that McDonald took in that video. Woe be to those who think this is all about the CFR or other little groups.


If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

[dan barry]

Damn. Last year I saw a Documentary on the Discovery Times Channel about that Plane Crash, and they did not mention Larry McDonald or any possibility of a conspiracy.

Too bad Newt Gingrich didn't get slaughtered that day. He's a useless fat-head.

[LEK]

Well, my goodness, NO WONDER there's shaningans going on with fraud, etc. That seems mild compared to what may have happened to Larry mcDonald.

Pray for Ron Paul's safety.

[Cleaner44]

Thanks for this. I was only a kid and never knew about Larry McDonald and what he was doing for us.

[0zzy]

Damn, that guy was ahead of his time. Even Buchanan has leaned more towards his ideologue now.

Oh, and how was he considered a "democrat"? That's weird :)

[beachmaster]

I was really saddened by the loss of Larry McDonald, and all the more so when I realized not too long afterwards that he was probably still alive and taken captive by the russian/soviet communists and inserted into their gulag system.

And these days I've been saddened by the possibility that Ron Paul's run for presidency has probably been very compromised from within and without, and that there's a good possibility he has been ordered to take the fall and fizzle out peacefully, or else. Now I trust that Ron Paul is a brave and honorable man, and probably is not concerned with his own life. However, when it comes to family, that's another matter altogether. I'm quite sure he wouldn't allow his grandchildren to be harmed just so he could be president.

And so it appears it will go, for any true red-blooded patriot who would stand up against global tyranny. Next time we need someone who has no family ties. Sounds nuts I know, but who among us would want our families lives and liberties to be jeopardized by evil bastards who will do anything, torture included, to keep their reign of terror and power in place?

Yes, this world does suck. It would be nice to believe in a God who will come and blow this place up, beyond recognition or memory. Humanity as a whole really sucks. Look at what we do to each other. Come on God, have mercy and please end this! Use fire, flood, meteorite, whatever... just get it done and over with.

[4Horsemen]

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2466/committee300mg4.gif

[Soccrmastr]

good video. and to say he sounds like ron paul is kind of stupid... this video is from many years ago.

[the Winner is (R0N P@uL)]

check this out

this from a man who knew Larry.......

http://www.rense.com/general40/prisoner.htm

sad

:(

[dblee]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6547101596697506180

hillary clinton expousing the NWO...scary!

[dblee]

wow that was an awesome interview! i have new respect for both the birch society and buchanan

[MJfromCT]

I would like to learn more about Larry McDonald as this is the first time I have ever heard of him. I will research The John Birch Society and see if it is worthy of membership as well. And finally thank you the Winner is (Ron P@ul) for that article, it was interesting.

[wortguy]

2 good links on the mystery of KAL 007, and the fate of Larry McDonald and the other passengers.

http://www.rescue007.org/faq.htm#mcdonald

http://www.devvy.com/kal007_20010830.html

[nateerb]

Yet another reason to make me puking sick. I did not know that this man was on that flight. Scary reading tonight. He might still be in a Russian gulag.

Yesterday the thread that made me ill was a McCain vietnam vet thread where they showed a spy pic of Laos in 1988. USA and a Walking-K symbol in a rice paddy. In 1988. Those guys, if alive, would be in their 60's and 70's now.

[BarryDonegan]

Pat Buchanan more or less said that he was right, just that the terminology he used to describe what was happening was too negative sounding.

[Captain America]

great video

[LJHudd]

WOW :eek: How the heck do we wake sheep up?

[Enzo]

Man.. Buchanan had huge balls back then.

Telling that fool at the end that he's full of shit... right to his face.

[JGalt]

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2466/committee300mg4.gif

NRO is most secret intelligence? I've been to their headquarters. NSA was far more secretive, they made us go to the museum on their grounds.

We need more Democrats like Larry McDonald in office. Too bad the higher-ups like to kill all the good ones and replace them with corporate whores...

[hatefalseweight]

Everybody should take a look at Tragedy & Hope ... Carroll Quigley was Bill Clinton's mentor at colllege ... Quigley exposes all the secretive roundtable groups and shows that the bankers own both parties

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/tragedy.html

p 945 To Morgan all political parties were simply organizations to be used, and the firm always was careful to keep a foot in all camps. Morgan himself, Dwight Morrow, and other partners were allied with Republicans; Russell C. Leffingwell was allied with the Democrats; Grayson Murphy was allied with the extreme Right; and Thomas W. Lamont was allied with the Left.

{p. 950} This myth, like all fables, does in fact have a modicum of truth. There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe), but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.

[Ex Post Facto]

What is this John Birch Society. I've heard the name and never knew what it was. It sounds like us. www.jbs.org

[4Horsemen]

The media "Ron Pauled" the John Birch Society decades ago.. Similar to what they did to Joseph McCarthy too..

[4Horsemen]

NRO is most secret intelligence? I've been to their headquarters. NSA was far more secretive, they made us go to the museum on their grounds.

We need more Democrats like Larry McDonald in office. Too bad the higher-ups like to kill all the good ones and replace them with corporate whores...

Check this out...http://static.scribd.com/docs/w717r0jzr5r.pdf

[specsaregood]

What is this John Birch Society. I've heard the name and never knew what it was. It sounds like us. www.jbs.org

The JBS members in my area have been some of the most outgoing, dedicated Ron Paul supporters around. Great group of people.

[Talcott]

Thanks for the links.

[Talcott]

Thanks for the links.

[Rhys]

The thing is, if you read Confessions of an Ecconomic Hit Man, the way he died was standard M/O of the CIA at the time, for assasination.

Who knows the truth of the John Birch S.? Should I join?

[Benaiah]

//

[MJfromCT]

Has anyone read the book Larry McDonald co-authored "We Hold These Truths"?

[lastnymleft]

And these days I've been saddened by the possibility that Ron Paul's run for presidency has probably been very compromised from within and without, and that there's a good possibility he has been ordered to take the fall and fizzle out peacefully, or else. Now I trust that Ron Paul is a brave and honorable man, and probably is not concerned with his own life. However, when it comes to family, that's another matter altogether. I'm quite sure he wouldn't allow his grandchildren to be harmed just so he could be president.

That's just nonsense. Dr Paul is not bought off, and couldn't be. The simple fact of the matter is that They believed They have him "contained" at present. They ordered the MSM blackout, and ridiculing, and it has worked. Only when he becomes a "serious" threat to them would they take it to the next level. If you have learned anything in having studied Dr Paul, it should have been that he could not have been bought off. Like Larry McDonald. So was Larry McDonald a real threat to the establishment? You bet your ass he was. Look at this guy, Larry McDonald:

* Born in 1935, within 5 months of Dr Paul
* Medical physician
* Flight surgeon
* Congressman
* An admirer of Austrian economics
* Aspiring Presidential candidate, was planning to run in 1988...against GHWB.

Freaky, huh?

This guy Larry McDonald is amazing:

http://behindthefed.blogspot.com/2007/11/assassination-of-congressman-larry.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald

Are there any such "Conservative Democrats" still in existence, or are they an extinct breed now?

[shane2]

http://www.jbs.org/

- Shane

[Mauiboy86]

My father has been a member of JBS for as long as I can remember, the organization is on the forefront of the battle for American sovereignty! The magazine called the NEWAMERICAN was the first to publish anything on the NAU and has helped make it visible to all of us even Lou Dobbs. I still think Lou Dobbs has an agenda and is manipulated by the MSM, he may even be a puppet. Remember they need two sides of the news to have an argument. If Dobbs was a true patriot he would be spewing Ron Paul from every orifice on live television.
The website http://www.jbs.org/ even helps you write letters to your senetors and reps directly on their website. It only takes a minute to write , and then in a week or two you get a letter back from your senetors saying how much of a jackass they are because they support the Lost Treaty because its good for America, their names are Lindsay Graham and Jim Demint! A bunch of ASSCLOWNS IMHO!

[beachmaster]

That's just nonsense. Dr Paul is not bought off, and couldn't be. The simple fact of the matter is that They believed They have him "contained" at present. They ordered the MSM blackout, and ridiculing, and it has worked. Only when he becomes a "serious" threat to them would they take it to the next level. If you have learned anything in having studied Dr Paul, it should have been that he could not have been bought off. Like Larry McDonald. So was Larry McDonald a real threat to the establishment? You bet your ass he was. Look at this guy, Larry McDonald:

* Born in 1935, within 5 months of Dr Paul
* Medical physician
* Flight surgeon
* Congressman
* An admirer of Austrian economics
* Aspiring Presidential candidate, was planning to run in 1988...against GHWB.

Freaky, huh?

This guy Larry McDonald is amazing:

http://behindthefed.blogspot.com/2007/11/assassination-of-congressman-larry.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald

Are there any such "Conservative Democrats" still in existence, or are they an extinct breed now?
I never said nor implied that Dr. Paul was "bought off".

I said his family may have been threatened. Big difference.

[Ex Post Facto]

I never knew about the JBS. I just might have to join it. They even have a summer camp for kids. Awesome looking organization.

[shane2]

In the early 70's the book that introduced me, and thousands of others, to the NWO and CFR and exposed the biased media, and inoculated me for-life against all things liberal and anti-Constitutional, was "NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY" by Gary Allen.

This slim, quick read, paperback book was offered close to at cost with generous quantity discounts and well over 5 million copies were produced and distributed, often given away for free. I bought dozens myself and gave them away back then.

See/read it free here on-line...
http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html
...and you'll be amazed how timely this 35 year old book still is, though decades more proof could now be added to it.

Here's some quotes from others about the NDCC book back then...

I wish that every citizen of every country in the free world and every slave behind the Iron Curtain might read this book.

Ezra Taft Benson — Former Secretary of Agriculture

NDCC is an admirable job of amassing information to prove that communism is socialism and socialism (a plot to enslave the world) is not a movement of the downtrodden but a scheme supported and directed by the wealthiest of people.

If enough Americans read and act upon NDCC, they really can save the Republic from the conspirators — whose plans for the destruction of our country are galloping fast toward completion.

Dan Smoot — Former Assistant to J. Edgar Hoover

Now that NDCC is available, I no longer need to answer "no" to the question which is often put to me, namely: "Mr. Dodd, is there a book which I can read so I can know what you know?" No higher praise is possible for this book.

Norman Dodd — Chief Investigator Reece Committee to Investigate Foundations

This book concerns the way in which our nation and other nations are actually governed. As Benjamin Disaeli said, this is not the way in which most people think nations are governed. The whole subject of the Insiders who so largely control our political and economic lives is a fascinating mystery.

For the reader who is intelligent but uninitiated in the literature of superpolitics, I can think of no better introduction to the field than NDCC.

Dr. Medford Evans — Former Chief of Security for the Atom Bomb Project

Since people of the Jewish faith have been the number one historical victims of the Communist Conspiracy, we wish every member of our faith would carefully read this book so they will become aware of the forces which often attempt to manipulate them.

Dr. Barney Finkel — President, The Jewish Right

Whatever one dares to call the apparatus described and documented in this book, he will ignore it at his peril. 1972 may well be our last chance to defuse this destructive device. This book tells you how you can expose and demolish it.

Dean Clarence E. Manion — Former Dean Notre Dame law School


- Shane

[Fox McCloud]

I've been inundated with papers written about the JBS and how bad they are...and how they're part of the "right wing" of the Hegelian Dialectic (Anothony Sutton wrote about this)...there's some guy named "Ernie" who's supposedly obtained many documents about them from the FBI via FOIA....

*sigh* there's so much evidence on both side FOR the JBS and AGAINST them, that I don't know what to think...on the surface, I support them, but is there something sinister at work? Either way, I can provide the various article for you guys to debunk (I'd love for you to)...but it's just all so confusing. I often think, however, there are is so much disinformation fused with true information that the end result is to get someone like me in this situation--they're do disillusioned they don't know what to think.

Either way, the JBS did go up by about 2 levels, in my book, after reading that Alan Stang article said and watching the interview.

I've long been a supporter of the JBS, but after coming across some information, I'm slightly skeptical....if I could find some evidence to point to the fact that they're "ok", however...then I may actually think about joining them (which I've thought about doing off and on in the past).

*sigh* My head is freaking spinning.

[0zzy]

I've been inundated with papers written about the JBS and how bad they are...and how they're part of the "right wing" of the Hegelian Dialectic (Anothony Sutton wrote about this)...there's some guy named "Ernie" who's supposedly obtained many documents about them from the FBI via FOIA....

*sigh* there's so much evidence on both side FOR the JBS and AGAINST them, that I don't know what to think...on the surface, I support them, but is there something sinister at work? Either way, I can provide the various article for you guys to debunk (I'd love for you to)...but it's just all so confusing. I often think, however, there are is so much disinformation fused with true information that the end result is to get someone like me in this situation--they're do disillusioned they don't know what to think.

Either way, the JBS did go up by about 2 levels, in my book, after reading that Alan Stang article said and watching the interview.

I've long been a supporter of the JBS, but after coming across some information, I'm slightly skeptical....if I could find some evidence to point to the fact that they're "ok", however...then I may actually think about joining them (which I've thought about doing off and on in the past).

*sigh* My head is freaking spinning.

post what you saw agains tthem

[shane2]

The JBS bi-weekly publication; 'The New American' is well worth checking out.
There's a link here to a free copy of a special issue dealing with the NAU...
http://www.thenewamerican.com/node/6230

Here's what one avid reader thinks about it...

"I receive The New American in my Congressional office and consider it a valuable source of information.
Its writers have produced groundbreaking research on a number of topics ... often much in advance of the mainstream media."
—Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)

- Shane

[beachmaster]

In the early 70's the book that introduced me, and thousands of others, to the NWO and CFR and exposed the biased media, and inoculated me for-life against all things liberal and anti-Constitutional, was "NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY" by Gary Allen.

This slim, quick read, paperback book was offered close to at cost with generous quantity discounts and well over 5 million copies were produced and distributed, often given away for free. I bought dozens myself and gave them away back then.

See/read it free here on-line...
http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html
...and you'll be amazed how timely this 35 year old book still is, though decades more proof could now be added to it.

I think that was my 2nd conspiracy book that I read back in the late 70's. The first one I read was The Invisible Government by Dan Smoot. Published by American Opinion (JBS publisher). I bought a lot of copies of NDCC at used book stores, everywhere I found them and passed them out. Some people called me a nazi! lol

I also had joined JBS and was a card carrying member. Later I heard they were severely compromised and their member list was given to the feds. I don't think they are as good as they once were, but then again, I've not kept up with it in a very long time.

[malibuu]

I never knew there was such a conspiracy...sheesh.

It's Amazin'
With the blink of an eye you finally see the light

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Q1r8rh8yc

[shane2]

I think that was my 2nd conspiracy book that I read back in the late 70's. The first one I read was The Invisible Government by Dan Smoot. Published by American Opinion (JBS publisher). I bought a lot of copies of NDCC at used book stores, everywhere I found them and passed them out.When I was a goofy teenage sophomore back in the very early 70's, everybody was 'into' some 'cause' or another, especially if you wanted to have something to brag to the girls about, other than 'your sign'. So, I was kinda trolling around checking out the anti-war movement, civil rights movement, and the whole new 'earth day' environmental movement, ect., though nothing had really struck my fancy.

Anyways, right at that crucial time, at the NY State Fair of all places, I stumbled across a booth there where they were actually giving out free books to anybody that visited with them a bit, liked that right away being a voracious reader, and it turned out to be the JBS, which I'd never heard of.

Went home that day with a copy of 'None Dare Call It Conspiracy' and 'Major Jordan's Diaries' and that started a lot of good reading and JBS tapes and seminars and I joined up. I have been cured ever since of the liberal media BS and liberal 'stinkin thinkin' so many others, less fortunate, are forever mired in and blinded by.

Thank God for the JBS pointing me in the right direction so early on!

- Shane (http://www.ki4u.com)

[Fox McCloud]

The more I find out about this "Ernie" the stranger he is--the ONLY time I ever see him posting on the Internet, it's always about tearing down the JBS and propping up the FBI files he's obtained---I have yet to see him post anything other than this (and he's posted a decent amount). His full name is "Ernie Lazar"--you'll come up with a decent amount if you Google that....also if you google "ernie JBS" and other like combinations, you'll come up with like information..it even appears he bashed them on Amazon.com

http://birchers.blogspot.com/2005/10/fbi-on-john-birch-society.html
http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-1

Interestingly enough, he's cited as being an "acknowledgement" in the book "Right-Wing Populism in America: Too Close for Comfort".....I haven't read the book, but it'd be interesting to see if it props up liberal ideologies.

Like I said, I'm not presenting these to bash them, myself--I'd just prefer someone debunk/provide a logical explanation for this.

[Fox McCloud]

This guy also goes by "ernie1241", and again, you'll find that 95% of his posts are regurgitating how bad conspiracies theories are (and how they're really politically driven) and how the JBS is bad...and he always points it to his website.

It also appears he's no fan of Ron Paul either, as he posted this: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics/2008-01/msg02648.html

on a newsgroup site.

[Mauiboy86]

http://www.charlestonyachtcharter.com/images/john%20mccain%20mcrambo.jpg

[Zydeco]

After the Changes come and the Constitution is restored, the truth of Larry McDonald's assassination is going to be one of the things that shocks and enrages Americans the most.

[MJfromCT]

bump

[Dripping Rain]

bump for the coincidence theorists. theres no NWO? lololll
heres the youtubes of the interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlkD5z740w0
pt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma6Cnqqv39M

thanks for the post mauiboy. this is one of my top 10 posts on rpfs

[FrankRep]

REAGAN killed him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald


He was a passenger onboard Korean Air Flight 007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_007) shot down by Soviet interceptors and presumed dead.


McDonald was the only sitting member of Congress killed by the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

The Communists killed him.

[TheTyke]

My parents are members of the JBS. I can say that our experience with them has been nothing but positive, and I learned about Ron Paul through their fantastic magazine, the New American.

They are a huge threat to the Establishment, and were dragged through the mud by the media, and targeted by governmental agencies and whatnot (doesn't this sound familiar? MIAC etc.) I believe at one time there was an internal attempt to take over the organization, but that the good faction prevailed, and it continues to be one of the foremost defenders of liberty. The accusations leveled at them were nothing more than the standard attacks used by the MSM and the elite. They were targeted so much that, a friend tells me, when she joined the air force, her signup papers asked if she was ever a JBS member. But I'm really proud to say my parents were outspoken Birchers even at a time when the Society was reviled due to the unjustified attacks on them.

The investigative reporting done for the New American is really impressive... and it's nice to have a group like that to rely on when I want to know which stories have hard evidence, and which do not.

I say God bless Larry McDonald and the JBS. Everyone should take a closer look at the organization.

[trey4sports]

wow, it would be nice if he were still around

[Real_CaGeD]

Damn, that guy was ahead of his time. Even Buchanan has leaned more towards his ideologue now.

Oh, and how was he considered a "democrat"? That's weird :)

In the South, you did not get elected if you were not a "Democrat".

[Dripping Rain]

bump