Keep Conspiracies and Negative talk at home

[The Tao Of Bill]

If we are going to do this march thing I just want to say something to a lot of members of this forum. Can we try to keep the conspiracies and the negativity at home? I really don't want to see a bunch of 9-11 truth signs there. This isn't your movement. Organize your own damn march and stop mooching off the Ron Paul Revolution.

And try to keep negative attacks on other candidates at a minimum. Ron Paul doesn't attack other candidates and neither should we. I know this is tough for a lot of you but our goal is to convert new supporters. And you will only turn them off if you start calling other candidates they might support socialists and neo-cons. Just talk about Ron Paul's platform and why it is correct and what other candidates are doing wrong. But stay clear of political name calling and try not to start foaming at the mouth.

We're trying to convince people that we AREN'T a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists.

[JonathanR]

+1 billion

[..PAUL4PRES..]

+ 100,000,000

[dax702]

I agree. I am for 9/11 truth, but it's not a position of Ron Paul's and this is his march for his supporters and freedom in general. I do believe that a Ron Paul presidency would grant us a new investigation and investigate ALL the evidence. But pushing for it on the day of the march isn't a good idea,.

[colecrowe]

WWRPD?

More importantly, or better put...what would Ron Paul want.

Keep things separate. This is about Ron Paul (IMO)--of course it's about freedom and the Constitution and a foreign policy of peace--but Ron Paul is about those things.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I agree, but TRUST ME you will NOT be able to stop them!!

[The Tao Of Bill]

I agree, but TRUST ME you will NOT be able to stop them!!
Yeah I doubt it too. But seriously it ticks me off because these people have given us such a bad rap.

[dax702]

There's nothing wrong with "these people" for wanting the world to know the truth.. But you're right that it should not take place on this day.

[Finn]

Great, yet another 9/11 truther bashing thread.

Keep your hate in check, please.


There's nothing wrong with "these people" for wanting the world to know the truth.. But you're right that it should not take place on this day.
With this I can agree. But it's pretty disgusting how some talk about your fellow americans as "these people".

[The Tao Of Bill]

There's nothing wrong with "these people" for wanting the world to know the truth.. But you're right that it should not take place on this day.

We all want to know the truth. I mean that's pretty much a basic human quality. To find the truth. But most of us refrain from proclaiming we know the truth before we even have proof. I'm all for asking questions. But I'm not for making up answers.

[The Tao Of Bill]

Great, yet another 9/11 truther bashing thread.

Keep your hate in check, please. All I'm saying is that I constantly see 9-11 truth signs at Ron Paul's rallys and that is absolutely crap. Ron Paul does not believe in the 9-11 truth. It sends completely the wrong message and gives people the impression that Ron Paul is a conspiracy theorist. 9-11 truth is riding on Ron Paul's coat tails and it's not right.

[dax702]

we KNOW that the truth is not what they say the truth is and there's a mountain of evidence that shows that the official story is bunk. I'm not claiming to know 100% of the truth, all I know is that what is going down in the history books is a lie.

Yes, I agree that the 9/11 truth movement shouldn't be rallying at Ron Paul events.

[The Tao Of Bill]

we KNOW that the truth is not what they say the truth is and there's a mountain of evidence that shows that the official story is bunk. I'm not claiming to know 100% of the truth, all I know is that what is going down in the history books is a lie.

I really don't care. This isn't the 9-11 truth movement. It doesn't belong here.

[The Tao Of Bill]

I really don't even see how Ron Paul supporters can be 9-11 truthers. I mean Ron Paul supporters are supposed to believe that the government is too incompetent to do anything right. And yet the 9-11 truth movement seems to think that the government is competent enough to run a conspiracy involving hundreds of people to blow up several American buildings and kill several thousand Americans. I'm sorry but it doesn't work both ways. Either the government is super organized or it's incompetent. It can't be both.

[sidsquidrick]

I really don't even see how Ron Paul supporters can be 9-11 truthers. I mean Ron Paul supporters are supposed to believe that the government is too incompetent to do anything right. And yet the 9-11 truth movement seems to think that the government is competent enough to run a conspiracy involving hundreds of people to blow up several American buildings and kill several thousand Americans. I'm sorry but it doesn't work both ways. Either the government is super organized or it's incompetent. It can't be both.

BOOOOOOO>>>>> Do you realize what can of worms you are opening in here??....jeezzz.....shhh! Keep it down, the truthers will hear you! ;)

[RonPaulVolunteer]

All I'm saying is that I constantly see 9-11 truth signs at Ron Paul's rallys and that is absolutely crap. Ron Paul does not believe in the 9-11 truth. It sends completely the wrong message and gives people the impression that Ron Paul is a conspiracy theorist. 9-11 truth is riding on Ron Paul's coat tails and it's not right.

No no no, look, I am proudly a 911 truther, but I am also the one that tells the others to put their f***ing Loose Change DVDs away. It DOES hurt our cause, Ron Paul's cause. Just because I believe there is an obvious conspiracy about 911, doesn't mean I have no self control!

[Finn]

I really don't even see how Ron Paul supporters can be 9-11 truthers. I mean Ron Paul supporters are supposed to believe that the government is too incompetent to do anything right. And yet the 9-11 truth movement seems to think that the government is competent enough to run a conspiracy involving hundreds of people to blow up several American buildings and kill several thousand Americans. I'm sorry but it doesn't work both ways. Either the government is super organized or it's incompetent. It can't be both.
Quit it.

[The Tao Of Bill]

No no no, look, I am proudly a 911 truther, but I am also the one that tells the others to put their f***ing DVDs away. It DOES hurt our cause, Ron Paul's cause. Just because I believe there is an obvious conspiracy about 911, doesn't mean I have no self control! That's cool. Freedom of speech and all. I just get really upset when I see a truther sign at a Ron Paul rally. It's like you couldn't just bring a Ron Paul sign?

[dax702]

No no no, look, I am proudly a 911 truther, but I am also the one that tells the others to put their f***ing Loose Change DVDs away. It DOES hurt our cause, Ron Paul's cause. Just because I believe there is an obvious conspiracy about 911, doesn't mean I have no self control!

+911 - If/When Paul is President, the people should press for truth, perhaps another march, but not now....

[miketwalker]

I think the main point is valid though, we're attacking things one step at a time. This march is for Ron Paul and his ideas, the other things need to be done seperately or it'll just make it harder to convince people that we aren't crazy or something.

[The Tao Of Bill]

I think the main point is valid though, we're attacking things one step at a time. This march is for Ron Paul and his ideas, the other things need to be done separately or it'll just make it harder to convince people that we aren't crazy or something. Exactly. You can disagree with me on whether or not there was a conspiracy. But you need to remember this is not your movement. It's Paul's. And by supporting paul you ARE supporting your movement because the truth movement is about finding the truth at it's core. And Ron Paul also wants to find out the truth and he wants to get a new investigation going. I just wish the truth movement stuck to asking questions and didn't go straight to answering them on their own.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Exactly. You can disagree with me on whether or not there was a conspiracy. But you need to remember this is not your movement. It's Paul's. And by supporting paul you ARE supporting your movement because the truth movement is about finding the truth at it's core. And Ron Paul also wants to find out the truth and he wants to get a new investigation going. I just wish the truth movement stuck to asking questions and didn't go straight to answering them on their own.

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[flames2dust77]

9/11 truther here.

my opinion: 9/11 truth signs have no place at an RP rally or march. That's a whole different subject that has nothing to do with RP.

[Ronin]

Anyone with a truth sign at a RP event should be shunned. Only a selfish prick would promote their own agenda at someone else's rally. In reality I worry about the skinheads more than 911-truth activists.

[RonPaulFever]

Remember, truthers....

JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN
DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD

[yankee_blue]

RP wants this. It's about Freedom. 911 truth? Not welcome.

[CrazyRonPaulSupporter]

Rule of thumb:

This is a Ron Paul event......


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[The Tao Of Bill]

And we are talking about the truth movement a lot but it's equally important that We save ourselves from political name calling of other candidates. Calling other candidates socialists and Neo-Cons might fly well with libertarians but you might seriously offend someone who is either a democrat or a supporter of Bush or McCain.

The goal is to convert new people and you don't do that through negative campaigning. The fringe movement and the fringe candidate should never resort to negative campaigning. There is a reason Ron Paul hasn't done that. It's because he knows he is a fringe candidate and he knows he has the most to lose by coming off as a negative campaigner.

Just look at Mike Gravel on the democrats side. A lot of younger democrats like what he had to say but he was so constantly ripping on the other democrats that he turned off a lot of people who might have otherwise voted for his message.

Ron Paul was smarter than that and we should be too.

[PaulTriumph]

Anyone with a truth sign at a RP event should be shunned. Only a selfish prick would promote their own agenda at someone else's rally.

Wait a minute- I've seen LOTS of RP signs at other candidates' rallies (especially Iowa and NH on TV). Is that fair game or not? Are you saying it wouldn't be OK to bring RP signs to the GOP convention if they want to shut us out?

[billjarrett]

Wait a minute- I've seen LOTS of RP signs at other candidates' rallies (especially Iowa and NH on TV). Is that fair game or not? Are you saying it wouldn't be OK to bring RP signs to the GOP convention if they want to shut us out?

They are ok if you are trying to subvert someone elses rally. Not ok if you are trying to promote it.

[Evazan]

While I personally wouldn't like to see these signs at the March I think we have to be careful about what is going on in this thread. While Ron Paul supporters will likely be the key organizers of this march, it is not a Ron Paul march/rally. If it is advertised as a Ron Paul March we will be lucky to get 100,000 people and we will be marginalized by the media. This is a freedom/constitution march and we want everyone who believes in those ideals there. I want to see "end the war on the drugs" signs, "bring the troops home" signs, "restore the constitution" signs, and if a couple dozen "911 truth" signs get thrown in amongst the hopefully hundred thousands of other signs, I don't think that is a big deal. I also want to point out that a big part of the 911 truth movement is something we all support, more openness in the government.

Just for the record I am not a truther. I just want to make sure we get all freedom loving people to this march and not isolate any groups.

[BiPolarBear]

While I personally wouldn't like to see these signs at the March I think we have to be careful about what is going on in this thread. While Ron Paul supporters will likely be the key organizers of this march, it is not a Ron Paul march/rally. If it is advertised as a Ron Paul March we will be lucky to get 100,000 people and we will be marginalized by the media. This is a freedom/constitution march and we want everyone who believes in those ideals there. I want to see "end the war on the drugs" signs, "bring the troops home" signs, "restore the constitution" signs, and if a couple dozen "911 truth" signs get thrown in amongst the hopefully hundred thousands of other signs, I don't think that is a big deal. I also want to point out that a big part of the 911 truth movement is something we all support, more openness in the government.

Just for the record I am not a truther. I just want to make sure we get all freedom loving people to this march and not isolate any groups.

Well said.

And it couldn't hurt to be handing out copies of America: From Freedom to Fascism (http://www.freedomtofascism.com/), right?

[The Tao Of Bill]

I see nothing wrong with freedom to fascism. Though I've never seen it myself lol but I know Ron Paul has recommended it personally so if Paul's okay with it I'm okay with it.

[A. Havnes]

Can we sticky this?

[Chomsky]

at a freedom rally you are allowed to bring whatever signs you want and the market will work itself out, most likely a majority of people in attendance will not have a truther message, so they will be marginalized.
Have faith in the market.
If you are worried about the MSM filming only the "freaks" at the rally, it is a foregone conclusion, so you might as well start dealing with it now. This is why it is so important that we film this thing from every angle.

[beachmaster]

If I see any chemtrails in the sky that day, I won't say anything. I'll just point up as I put on my gas mask.

:D

[The Tao Of Bill]

at a freedom rally you are allowed to bring whatever signs you want and the market will work itself out, most likely a majority of people in attendance will not have a truther message, so they will be marginalized.
Have faith in the market.
If you are worried about the MSM filming only the "freaks" at the rally, it is a foregone conclusion, so you might as well start dealing with it now. This is why it is so important that we film this thing from every angle.

Whatever dude. I'm not infringing on anyones rights. They have every right in the world to protest. I'm just saying it's completely rude to give the appearance that Ron Paul supports the truth conspiracies when he doesn't. And while you might convince a few people to join the truth movement you will scare hundreds away from the Ron Paul Revolution. It's not worth it.

[CannotIgnoreAnyone]

We're trying to convince people that we AREN'T a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists.
How Ironic. The people on this forum claim to support a libertarian, but at the same time seek to censor certain topics because it is not politically correct. It's time to walk the walk.

I don't give a damn what anyone else talks about, that's what liberty is all about: tolerance.

This thread is outrageous, and so are the supporters who think they can talk about liberty while simultaneously cowering from it. Utter and shameless hypocracy.

[jrich4rpaul]

Too bad Ron Paul announced the march on Alex Jones today.

The tin foil hats will reign supreme...

[jrich4rpaul]

How Ironic. The people on this forum claim to support a libertarian, but at the same time seek to censor certain topics because it is not politically correct. It's time to walk the walk.

I don't give a damn what anyone else talks about, that's what liberty is all about: tolerance.

This thread is outrageous, and so are the supporters who think they can talk about liberty while simultaneously cowering from it. Utter and shameless hypocracy.

You're missing the whole point of the march with your ignorance. We are showing our numbers and support for Ron Paul. Never has it been suggested that we are marching on Washington to demand 9/11 truth or anything close to it. Therefore, there's no point in the march having anything to do with it. It's a Ron Paul march.

[thoughtbombing]

Yeah I doubt it too. But seriously it ticks me off because these people have given us such a bad rap.



Ron Paul would let the market decide.

[Chomsky]

Whatever dude. I'm not infringing on anyones rights. They have every right in the world to protest. I'm just saying it's completely rude to give the appearance that Ron Paul supports the truth conspiracies when he doesn't. And while you might convince a few people to join the truth movement you will scare hundreds away from the Ron Paul Revolution. It's not worth it.
I'm trying to say don't worry about it, because there is nothing you can do about it, I wish only RP supporters would show up as well, but its just not realistic.

[burningfur]

This is about Freedom Prosperity and Peace.

[ShowMeLiberty]

We need somebody to write us a song like Scott McKenzie's "San Francisco"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKWiwfOhI6U

Same idea, different era, different location.

If you're going to Washington... be sure to leave your tin foil hat at home.... ;)

[The Tao Of Bill]

Doesn't mean I can't try to get through to the truthers. I have nothing against their movement as a whole. I agree we should ask more questions about 9-11 because there are a lot of fishy things that happened both on the day of and the events leading to it. But imo they are a failed movement because they are no longer looking for the truth but instead they assume they know the truth and are looking for whatever they can find that can even remotely points to that "truth". Even if other evidence has shown that their "truth" might not be the real truth.

This kind of thoguht process has pissed a lot of people off nationwide and not too many people like the truth movement anymore. It turns people off to the real point of the rally and that's educating on constitutional rights and why our rights are in danger of being taken away today. The Truth movement has zero to do with Ron Paul and I'm simply trying to tell anyone involved with 9-11 truth that they keep those signs at home and worry about the infringement of our constitutional rights more than 9-11 if for one day only.

I'm not forcing anyone. I'm not going to call the police or something if someone has these signs. They have a right to free speech just as I have a right to tell them to stay home if they can't leave their signs at home.

[ronpaulhawaii]

How Ironic. The people on this forum claim to support a libertarian, but at the same time seek to censor certain topics because it is not politically correct. It's time to walk the walk.

I don't give a damn what anyone else talks about, that's what liberty is all about: tolerance.

This thread is outrageous, and so are the supporters who think they can talk about liberty while simultaneously cowering from it. Utter and shameless hypocracy.

LMAO, welcome to the big tent:eek:

I haven't seen any suggestions of using authoritive force to "censor" anyone.

The fact remains that the "truth" movement is full of operators, and politically dangerous ground. I imagine the best way to deal with the few, who (truly) feel the 911 messege is the only way to promote our agenda, is to overwhelm them in a sea of signs focusing on issues more important to the avg American. Signs about ECONOMY, SECURITY, and HEALTH.

my2¢

[Time for Change]

+ 9 trillion

[RlxdN10sity]

The march we are discussing is itself a conspiracy. Your thread title is inherently negative.

[Bradley in DC]

WWRPD?

More importantly, or better put...what would Ron Paul want.

Keep things separate. This is about Ron Paul (IMO)--of course it's about freedom and the Constitution and a foreign policy of peace--but Ron Paul is about those things.

+1

[RlxdN10sity]

I think it must be understood that many of the people who have been drawn to the freedom message are still in their infancy as it concerns their depth of understanding regarding the reality of what we face as a people and a nation.
"Those of us who know whats going on, and we know the truth, we all have the responsibility to speak out, and we need to find those other individuals who share those views. Not so much that we know immediatley we can turn this around in a week or two or a year or two. But If conditions deteriorate as I suspect, we have to have a hard core people who understand these issues who are able to rebuild the society. If we did the right things of course, there would be minimum rebuilding, and of course that is what I'm fearful of, is that we won't turn it around quickly enough. But we don't know that, but we have to face up to our responsibilites and that is to do our very best." Ron Paul - Feb. 11 Campaign Update - 8:39 marker