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IDefendThePlatform
02-11-2008, 07:33 AM
On MSNBC's "Morning Joe" just now Chris Matthews and Pat Buchanan were arguing about the democratic race. Then Matthews told Buchanan "you've lost your horse in the (Republican) race so now you rip the Democrats" and Buchanan said "Ron Paul's still in the race"
He has said other good things about Dr. P in the past, even though I don't think he's ever actually endorsed RP. One more conservative that we can point to to help convince those unbound delegates to vote for RP.

Lucid American
02-11-2008, 07:34 AM
F Buchanan. Pure and simple.

No excuse for him not endorsing Paul.

Mystile
02-11-2008, 07:37 AM
F Buchanan. Pure and simple.

No excuse for him not endorsing Paul.

eh, he gives us credit, I'm guessing a lot of people are just cautious of supporting the anti-establishment candidate while being a part of the establishment.

Chester Copperpot
02-11-2008, 07:38 AM
eh, he gives us credit, I'm guessing a lot of people are just cautious of supporting the anti-establishment candidate while being a part of the establishment.

I think he held off initially because his sister was running tancredo's campaign

koft
02-11-2008, 07:42 AM
Thanks for the plug Pat, you're still a whore.

Shellshock1918
02-11-2008, 07:44 AM
F Buchanan. Pure and simple.

No excuse for him not endorsing Paul.

His magazine endorsed Paul. He's got tons of pro-Paul stuff on his website. Buchanan is one of us.

ToryNotion
02-11-2008, 07:49 AM
perhaps he'd lose his megaphone if he was seen to endorse ron paul. i'm hoping he's just being stealthy

Lovecraftian4Paul
02-11-2008, 07:56 AM
It would be nice if Buchanan comes out and says it point-blank at some point. Perhaps if Huck drops out and Dr. Paul is the last option to McCain. I mean, come on, Buchanan should be the last one concerned about ramifications of taking a stand.

This is the guy who ran as a third party candidate in 2000 on the Reform Party ticket as a conservative alternative to Bush.

SteveMartin
02-11-2008, 08:02 AM
Buchanan is a total phony. BEWARE

chelu
02-11-2008, 08:17 AM
"My man man, Pat Buchanan" (For all you Ali G fans out there). Pat B is okay in my book. If you've followed the daily goings on MSNBC since the first GOP debate, you can tell that Buchanan would be down with a Paul presidency. He's tried to plug Ron Paul or some his platform as much as he could. If you saw the day of the NH primary on Morning Joe, he and Scarborough were talking about who NH might pick that day. Pat B said described himself as an anti-war conservative, and Scarborough was saying stuff like just maybe NH would pick another anti-war, limited-government, true conservative, insinuating Ron Paul.

Buchanan is in the belly of the beast right now, and whether or not he MAY endorse anyone (by contract), he would be better off not "endorsing" Dr. Paul. Besides, will he change your mind about Dr. Paul if he did endorse Ron Paul, of course not. Buchanan has been overwhelmingly positive when it comes to Dr. Paul, he may not agree 100% with the entire platform, but then again, a lot of us supporters may not either.

"If I were president, I would change everything, and that's why I'll never win" - Pat B.

He knows exactly what Ron Paul is facing.

SteveMartin
02-11-2008, 08:29 AM
He knows exactly what Ron Paul is facing.


Exactly.

And that's why if he were truly a patriot he would have endorsed him long ago no matter what it cost him. That's what true patriots do. They risk something for liberty.

sam1952
02-11-2008, 08:30 AM
Buchanan and all of them are nothing but lip service. Pretenders, they are all to cozy in their positions to go out and actually support someone who stands for everything they SAY they believe in.

Unlike our founding fathers who risked it all for liberty and this country. Buchanan, Dobbs, every hollywood/musician libertarian, Beck, the list is endless. Sit in their comfort zone and talk but do nothing. They should all be ashamed of themselves. F them.

haaaylee
02-11-2008, 09:16 AM
I don't know if Buchanan losing his job to endorse Ron Paul would really make that huge of a difference. Most of Pat's fans probably already know about Ron Paul, he gets mentioned on Pat's website. Talking good about Ron is just as good if you ask me. He's endorsed Paul as much as his contract lets him. Give him a break!

He could be talking about how "crazy" and out there ron paul is like all the others.

dbhohio47
02-11-2008, 09:26 AM
Also on this same show, Chris Mathews went into a fairly lengthy discussion of how we should get out of the war with Iraq. Was rather Paulesque.

JMann
02-11-2008, 09:29 AM
Buchanan and all of them are nothing but lip service. Pretenders, they are all to cozy in their positions to go out and actually support someone who stands for everything they SAY they believe in.

Unlike our founding fathers who risked it all for liberty and this country. Buchanan, Dobbs, every hollywood/musician libertarian, Beck, the list is endless. Sit in their comfort zone and talk but do nothing. They should all be ashamed of themselves. F them.

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. Buchanan spent 15 years from about 1985-2000 fighting for many of the ideas that Dr. Paul supports, though they by no means agree on all issues from A-Z. Buchanan did sit out in '88 when many conservatives encouraged him to run. He focused his work on TV seeing that he is a communication specialist. He then challenged an incumbent President in '92 and went on to run in '96 before trying to go the Reform Party route in 2000 when in '99 it had become apparent the fix was in and the party was going with W. Bush regardless.

He has worked his way back to a regular TV gig after a couple of failed attempts after 2000 and he isn't a young man anymore, not to mention heart surgery during the 1999 campaign. For someone of your ilk to say he isn't a fighter because he wants to earn a living and not endorse a candidate, that apparently never took his own campaign seriously, is repulsive.

Buchanan has done more at the end of the 20 century to preserve our Republic than any other figure, including Ron Paul.

Bruno
02-11-2008, 09:35 AM
"eh, he gives us credit, I'm guessing a lot of people are just cautious of supporting the anti-establishment candidate while being a part of the establishment."

True. Maybe he is slowing offering his support because he doesn't want to stick his neck out.
Hopefully he will speed this process up and give an endorsement.

JS4Pat
02-11-2008, 09:36 AM
I think he held off initially because his sister was running tancredo's campaign
And then she moved over to work for Romney's campaign. (Can you say sell-out?)

Pat's Magazine The American Conservative did endorse Ron Paul for President.
http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_02_11/feature.html

There is no excuse for Pat not being more outspoken in his support for Ron Paul. He should put his country above his status within the establishment. It's just too important and he KNOWS it.

P.S.
It's BUCHANAN - not Buchanon or Buchannan

RonPaulalways
02-11-2008, 09:48 AM
Buchanan is a patriot.

Mandrik
02-11-2008, 09:49 AM
Wasn't Buchanan all about Romney? WTF?

sam1952
02-11-2008, 09:51 AM
“ Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. For someone of your ilk to say he isn't a fighter because he wants to earn a living and not endorse a candidate, that apparently never took his own campaign seriously, his repulsive. “

Thank you for the respectful words there. Despite them I stand by my comments.

FreeTraveler
02-11-2008, 09:54 AM
perhaps he'd lose his megaphone if he was seen to endorse ron paul. i'm hoping he's just being stealthy

Waa, waa, waaa... our Founding Fathers risked their lives, and it's OK for Buchanan to wimp out because he's worrried about his job? What a crock!

BTW, Buchanan got his start as a mouthpiece for Nixon, the first Socialist Republican President. Don't fool yourself into thinking he's changed.

pacelli
02-11-2008, 09:59 AM
His magazine endorsed Paul. He's got tons of pro-Paul stuff on his website. Buchanan is one of us.

His magazine only endorsed Paul after super tuesday was finished. The endorsement goes out in today's issue (Feb 11).

XelR8r
02-11-2008, 10:07 AM
Buchanon is a piece of shit.

yongrel
02-11-2008, 10:08 AM
I am hostile, but overall undecided about Pat Buchanan.

GayRPFan
02-11-2008, 10:16 AM
I am hostile, but overall undecided about Pat Buchanan.


I definitely have a great dislike for this man. I find him to be an opportunist, media groveling conservative poser, with pretenses of conservatism. But scratch this man and underneath you'll find he's an authoritarian big-government militarist through and through. All phony, pure and simple. But, other than that I am still undecided. ;)

Computer
02-11-2008, 10:17 AM
All you, "whose with me to donate $5 NOW", idiots don't know the whole story. A formal Buchanan endorsement would've hurt the Paul campaign overall. Everyone knows this but you. BUchanan is the man.

STFU

dbhohio47
02-11-2008, 10:30 AM
Buchanon is a closet libertarian (as are many republicans). He (they) understand[s] that our country was founded on libertarian principles, but has decided that it is more politically expedient to "lose one's way" and adopt the collectivist's ideals of the GOP. Here is a very educational read on Ron Paul's political philosophies relative to this topic:

http://www.freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling1.pdf

dbhohio47
02-11-2008, 10:38 AM
BTW, you can get all 5 parts to this treatise here:

http://www.freedom-force.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=issues#fic

Absolutely fascinating reading.

JulioForPaul
02-11-2008, 11:50 AM
This site seems to really attack some of the few MSM pundits who give us some respect.

No1ButPaul08
02-11-2008, 11:55 AM
Wasn't Buchanan all about Romney? WTF?

Yeah for 2 weeks before Super Tuesday when he realized Romney had the only chance of beating McAmnesty. Pat and Bay took any shots they could at McCain leading up to Super Tuesday. I remember Chris Matthews telling Bay, "you dislike McCain more than you like Romney. I've never seen anything like it." His assessment was correct

Teenforpaul08
02-11-2008, 12:01 PM
F Buchanan. Pure and simple.

No excuse for him not endorsing Paul.

Dude, why would you say that?! He's the (one of) the only guys on TV that supports and understand RP. THE REASON HE HASN'T ENDORSED IS BECAUSE MSNBC DOESN'T ALLOW THEIR EMPLOYEES TO ENDORSE!!! He obviously has indirectly endorsed RP by having his magazine, The American Conservative, endorse RP.

IDefendThePlatform
02-11-2008, 12:07 PM
This site seems to really attack some of the few MSM pundits who give us some respect.

Agreed. I want Pat and Drew Carey and others to come directly out and endorse, but if not at least they are working with us.

Also, has anyone else noticed how all of the MSM "big boys" are softening more and more on Dr. P lately? 6 months ago all anyone did (when they weren't ignoring him) was call him a terrorist sympathizer and the "mayor of crazytown". Now Rush, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson (who once called Libertarians "crazy") and others are giving Paul some long overdue respect. We ARE making progress people. Keep up the good work.

coffeewithchess
02-11-2008, 12:12 PM
No excuse for him not endorsing Paul.

Buchanan is no Oprah. It wouldn't have mattered if Oprah or Buchanan endorsed RP, the way the campaign actually used endorsements, nobody would have known.

Revolution9
02-11-2008, 12:19 PM
Exactly.

And that's why if he were truly a patriot he would have endorsed him long ago no matter what it cost him. That's what true patriots do. They risk something for liberty.

He would lose his air time, violate his contract and then get to say nothing.

HTH
Randy

Ron Paul Fan
02-11-2008, 12:29 PM
Buchanan's support is something that should be welcomed with open arms. The fact that people here bash him for supporting Paul is very telling. I'm sure most of these people can't stop listening to Alex Jones' wide eyed conspiracies.

affa
02-11-2008, 12:30 PM
And then she moved over to work for Romney's campaign. (Can you say sell-out?)

Maybe she should go to McCain's campaign now with a track record like that.

jsgolfman
02-11-2008, 12:35 PM
He would lose his air time, violate his contract and then get to say nothing.

HTH
Randy

PB had a voice before he became a talking head on TV. He's got enough clout to get his message out there, whether it's for them or not. They all know how much influence they have over the race and how far an endorsement would go. If it was one poor schlub in fear of losing his job at the factory, then yes I would say keep your mouth shut. However, we should all know by now how much influence the coverage or lack thereof has on the election. If all the plastic people who secretly support him would grow a pair, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.

angelatc
02-11-2008, 12:38 PM
Wasn't Buchanan all about Romney? WTF?

Never. Buchanan has been a Paul guy all the way through.

kickzman
02-11-2008, 12:51 PM
Buchanan is the only reason I have MSNBC as my only MSM news source. :D

itshappening
02-11-2008, 12:54 PM
I love how they're warming to RP after the election is over..... same with Rush, they do respect him and probably know they will have to listen to him or follow his ideals in the not too distant future

TurtleBurger
02-11-2008, 01:03 PM
I don't know what good a Buchanan endorsement would do anyway. Most of his supporters from '96 and '00 are probably already supporting RP. Other than winning NH, he didn't do all that well.

MicheleFloyd
02-11-2008, 01:06 PM
I think Pat Buchanan is great! I love watching him on the McLaughlin Group. It doesn't surprise me one bit that he gives postive attention to Ron Paul.

JMann
02-11-2008, 04:34 PM
I don't know what good a Buchanan endorsement would do anyway. Most of his supporters from '96 and '00 are probably already supporting RP. Other than winning NH, he didn't do all that well.

This isn't exactly accurate. He won LA, NH, Alaska, Missouri and did well in Iowa. He got Phil Graham to drop out before Iowa (if memory serves) with his wins in LA in Alaska. After winning NH you get Buchanan dressed like Hitler on SNL and constantly branded as a racist, homophobic, anti-Semite. So his campaign lost steam.

He did all that without any money much less Ron Paul money.