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Lois
02-10-2008, 09:57 PM
I don't get it --

Ron Paul himself said with Romney dropping out, there wouldn't be a 'Brokered Convention'. So how come everybody on here keeps talking about "Brokered Conventoin" and telling us to vote for Huckabee???

:confused::confused::eek:

Lord Xar
02-10-2008, 09:59 PM
WHO is telling you to vote for Huckabee?

Also, the brokered convention has been discussed more than enough. Do a search.

Also, Ron didn't write that letter. Tomorrow night all will be explained via video.

TruthAtLast
02-10-2008, 10:11 PM
many believe that the email wasn't actually written by Ron Paul or was incorrectly worded (a reported email from his wife confirmed this). He does want to defend his Congressional seat just in case, but the message said he was just slimming down the campaign but was still going to fight for every delegate until the convention.

Here was the second message from HQ.

http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates/2008/02/09/this-candidate-doesnt-quit/

The tragedy of this is that the email significantly confused many supporters and potential voters, and right at the time when we've actually seen some momentum (like in Washington).

Yes, there are some "IFs" that need to occur for there to be a brokered convention but we'll have a better picture after Tuesday. If Huckabee performes decently (especially in Washington D.C. and Virginia) then it opens the door. Even then, we'll need the chips to fall just right to prevent McCain from winning on the first ballot at the Convention. He just can't get 51% of the votes. A lot of will be determined by several things.

1) will Romney supporters who hate McCain vote for RP or Huckabee in some of the remaining states?
2) in the winner-take-all states, can Huckabee pull off some victories to close the gap?
3) can RP and Huck hold off McCain in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania which are delegate rich.
4) of the projected delegates that the Media are reporting based on the straw polls, many have not actually been decided as some states have not voted on their National delegates yet. Ron Paul infiltration in this process has shown promise.

Yes, the chances of these things happening might be slim, but even the Media has acknowledged that there is a growing anti-McCain movement within the Republican party and with Huckabee gaining a little momentum, you just never know.

I think Tuesday will be a very important day to see where everybody is at.

thoughtbombing
02-10-2008, 10:21 PM
3) can RP and Huck hold off McCain in Pennsylvania which are delegate rich.

Judging by the Philly rally... yes... another one the way for March 1st, I believe... hold tight for more information. NEPA is holding it down for RP.

Signzit
02-10-2008, 10:25 PM
This was in my email it was uplifting to say the least!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Posted February 10th, 2008 by SGP

PLEASE EVERYONE COPY AND SEND THIS TO THIER EMAIL LIST AND MEETUP HEADS AND ANY OTHER RON PAUL FORUM THERE IS.

The MSM is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so i will tell you to stop gettin g your info from the MSM.

I know many of you are bummed about yesterday BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS : Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.

First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters is if 1 person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be commited to that candidate. So if a candiate like Mccain has 600 delegates now and IF he doesn't reach 1191 WHICH HE WILL NOT most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 600 for Mccain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.

Normally Convention Delegates do not matter because the convention is not brokered and we have a clear winner because someone has 1191 delegates. BUT THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT. This will be a brokered convention there is no way around it. Do you see how the ronpaul campaign strategy will work.
When a candidate wins delegates by winning a primary that does not mean there are actual people that won acting as delegates- these are virtual delegates.

What do I mean by virtual delegates: A virtual delegate is just a number - there are no actual people YET that will go and vote for the candidate who won the particular state at the national convention. We call these people convention delegates
The actual delegates are voted on (in most states) at a statewide delegate caucus after the Primary (which is just a giant preference poll) Who can be delegates? Anyone. In closed Primary states they must be registered Republicans, in Open Primary states they can be Republicans, Democrats, Independents.
And we have lots of delegates.

Out of the 2,380 delegates sent to Minneapolis St. Paul in September-
-463 delegates are bound all the way through the convention some of those 463 are Ron Pauls people.
- 565 delegates will be bound through one ballot. That is, they have to follow the results of the state election on the first ballot.
After that, if no candidate has a majority of delegates, they are free to vote as they please and Mccain will not receive over 50% on the first ballot.
- 383 will be bound through two ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
- 318 will be bound through three ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
I am not going to list every state and what the break downs are, just do the math from these numbers or look for yourself here :
http://www.gop.com/Images/AllStateSummaries.pdf
Bottom line is less than 1/2 of the delegates are bound by state party rules.

Now do you see how we can win this thing?
So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommited to the other candidates and will support him. these delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommited to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.
This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomintaion untill the convention.

The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008
SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?

This means that all of the people that registered to become a deligate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast thier vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a deligate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.

Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.

Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?
NO THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works.
We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.

Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.

So please STOP! you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn't you?
The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.
I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.
NOW LET'S KEEP WORKING FILE TODAY AND BECOME A DELEGATE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
Dr. Steve Parent

NEPA_Revolution
02-10-2008, 10:25 PM
Hell ya

BTW tell the meetups in the area to call Corbett.

Signzit
02-10-2008, 10:29 PM
WHO is telling you to vote for Huckabee?

Also, the brokered convention has been discussed more than enough. Do a search.

Also, Ron didn't write that letter. Tomorrow night all will be explained via video.


What video where? link please

nodope0695
02-10-2008, 11:10 PM
Who the hell is telling you to vote Huckabee? Trolls are afoot. Beware.

Signzit
02-10-2008, 11:51 PM
yeah I've also seen some "At Any Price Free Traders" too! Saying the N.A.U. is a good thing cuz, I guess, National Sovereignty is old and out dated.

"That kinda shit just gets in the way of good business." They got us on the fast track to break our back.

Perry
02-10-2008, 11:55 PM
For the record and to keep it simple, there is still a chance at a brokered convention. The chances are slim but they are by no means zero.

eok321
02-10-2008, 11:56 PM
WHO is telling you to vote for Huckabee?

Also, the brokered convention has been discussed more than enough. Do a search.

Also, Ron didn't write that letter. Tomorrow night all will be explained via video.


Video explanation???? From The dr?

literatim
02-11-2008, 12:01 AM
Who the hell is telling you to vote Huckabee? Trolls are afoot. Beware.

Definitely way too many of them running around here.

http://xs124.xs.to/xs124/08071/bewaretrolls756.png

BlueCalico
02-22-2008, 11:26 PM
THE CONVENTION DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BROKERED! We can overturn Rules at the State Conventions. Google - [your state] Republican Convention. Look for your state information at ronpaul2008.com, States.

STUDY and LEARN!