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nbhadja
02-10-2008, 06:27 PM
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"Out of the 2,380 delegates sent to Minneapolis St. Paul in September-
-463 delegates are bound all the way through the convention some of those 463 are Ron Pauls people."


Those 463 people, even if they are committed to by their state for the entire duration can help us a LOT. Make sure people sign up as delegates in those states even if they don't like the commitment.

WHY?

http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm

RULE NO. 32
Suspension of Rules

A motion to suspend the rules shall always be in order, but only when made by authority of a majority of the delegates from any state and seconded by a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more other states severally.

Now realize this motion has to be voted on an ultimately agreed upon by 50% of delegates.

If we can get a majority in 5 states PLUS 51% of all delegates we can rewrite the convention rules completely. State bindings or NOT


Is this true in every state??

AlexMerced
02-10-2008, 06:29 PM
this is what i've been trying to communicate all along, there is a lot at stake still

nbhadja
02-10-2008, 06:33 PM
bump

sgrooms
02-10-2008, 06:35 PM
what states are still picking their actual delegates?

in arizona we haven't chosen our delegates, but the PC's are locked up, and they pick the delegates.

nbhadja
02-10-2008, 06:51 PM
Idk.
bump

pinkmandy
02-10-2008, 06:54 PM
Wow.

Avalon
02-10-2008, 06:58 PM
what states are still picking their actual delegates?

in arizona we haven't chosen our delegates, but the PC's are locked up, and they pick the delegates. Georgia has (most of) its district caucuses on Saturday. If you know anyone in Georgia, ask them to help us. 69 delegates up for grabs.

JordanQ72
02-10-2008, 07:00 PM
You can't use Rule 32 to somehow supersede any sort of bindings as issued on a state by state basis.

TXcarlosTX
02-10-2008, 07:00 PM
spurs bump

AlexMerced
02-10-2008, 07:01 PM
bump bumpy bump

suzypotaka
02-10-2008, 07:01 PM
what states are still picking their actual delegates?

in arizona we haven't chosen our delegates, but the PC's are locked up, and they pick the delegates.
Hawaii goes to state in May I believe. Theirs get picked from all the caucuses that have been completed already.

Avalon
02-10-2008, 07:07 PM
You can't use Rule 32 to somehow supersede any sort of bindings as issued on a state by state basis. That's true, but I'm sure you could do plenty of other things that would be just as effective. Like remove the voting rights of those still bound?

free.alive
02-10-2008, 07:44 PM
What was the result from the Hawaii caucuses, anyway? I never heard anything.

Ronin
02-10-2008, 07:46 PM
Huck, Romney, and Paul delegates could really team up and cause some chaos. Even though McCain has won a lot of primaries, he has done horrible in Caucases. This is a sign of lack of grassroots and organization. Since he had such a late comeback, I don't see him having a lot of delegates in the early states. Louisiana is a perfect example of this.

WRellim
02-10-2008, 07:57 PM
You can't use Rule 32 to somehow supersede any sort of bindings as issued on a state by state basis.

Actually the convention as a whole CAN do EXACTLY THAT.

There are solid reasons for this. What if something "untoward" has happened to a candidate post-primary & caucus but pre-convention... say the man has a stroke or some other medical problem that causes him to no longer be eligible.

Some state's "binding" laws have NO provisions for that type of thing. So a suspension of the "binding" must be a possibility.

This is NOT the electoral college -- the Republican Party is NOT a government entity, it is a private organization. The "rules" that states and state parties use to bind the delegates cannot take the form of making it a "crime" -- these are civil matters, and they are the sole province of the party itself. That party can DISMISS an entire state delegation if they so choose, or they can alter bindings or other rules from the state parties (which are "cooperating" but separate legal entities).

And the chairman and the convention as a whole, once seated, can DO pretty much as they please. They are a representative "body" and at the point of that convention, Once seated, the DELEGATES AT THE CONVENTION ARE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. That is the reason they can set the platform, the agenda, and determine the candidates. They can also do a whole HOST of other things as well if they so choose.

The leadership of the Republican National party that exists BETWEEN CONVENTIONS is a "caretaker" crew that (in theory anyway) exists to execute the desires of the "actual party" that was determined in the previous convention.

AlexMerced
02-10-2008, 08:04 PM
read the OP, you missed the big eye opener, lss than 500 of all the delegates in this race are bound

JordanQ72
02-10-2008, 08:04 PM
You're wrong in your analysis. Rules suspension handles only those at the convention level, not the state level. What can happen is a change in the rules for the following year, but not not at this point for the States.

JordanQ72
02-10-2008, 08:05 PM
read the OP, you missed the big eye opener, lss than 500 of all the delegates in this race are bound

Indefinitely, not to start with. The vast majority are bound on the 1st ballot.