We lost the battle. We will win the war. Please read.

[Carehn]

It is no question of mine that the numbers behind Ron Paul scared the big wigs. In my life i have never seen so many blatant lies about one man. I have never watched so many people try and twist the words of one man. I have never seen a media black out so large. There was something in his massage that touched the harts of many people all over the world. Yet it was like poison to others.

I do not believe anything is over till its over. I have seen to many crazy football games. It is not in my blood to give up. I will fight like a savage for Paul as all of you should, but that is why I'm writing. I can see his supporters dropping like flies. Boobing about how it was unfair. Well it was unfair, no one said it would be. This massage, manifesto if you will has lit a fire in are soles. For some it has been long coming and for others it was just on the tip of there tung. For many Paul has awakened the sleeping. He has cured there apathy. So now, when not Paul but the revolution needs us the most we act as if beaten? Are we now going to return to are masters? Are we going to fade away like some high school fad? I will not go down like that!

They insulted us. then they ignored us. and now they plan to forget us. We are not to be forgotten. Ron Paul whether you will admit it or not was and is a Libertarian. His views may differ a little but that is true with every one. He wanted to change the Republican party from within because the two party's have a strangle hold on American politics and it was his only way to get face time. Paul has now done his part. He has informed those willing to listen, and set a nation on fire. No he didn't get the votes needed but he got a large number of them. Now its are turn.

I'm suggesting we switch to the Libertarian party. That doesn't mean you have to vote for them. but perhaps it will get some attention from the GOP. Maybe even the Libertarian's will get a little air time. after all that is the platform (for the most part) that Paul really was running on. Don't vote for the lesser of two evils. So what if Hitlery gets in. Is she going to be any worse then McNugget. Vote for Paul any way and show the MSM that there are more then two party's. Continue the fight for the house and senate also. Get involved and look for a pro revolution candidate. If there isn't one then think about running yourself. The Democrats went south long ago and now the Republicans have turned into war profiteering fascists. If we all join the Libertarian's we can take over there party (not that it would be that hard) they are still fighting the good fight.

Send a massage to are elected officials. let them know we aren't playing there two sided game any more.

ITS ONLY KINKY THE FIRST TIME! (http://www.lp.org/)

[christagious]

Nice post

[Carehn]

thank you

[The Tao Of Bill]

I would advise against taking this movement to a third party. Third parties are far from successful in this country. Ron Paul said himself that he wishes to keep fighting within the republican party and that's where we should keep the movement. No one is going to listen to a libertarian. But they will listen to a republican. Our best bet is to infiltrate the republican party like the Neo-Cons did and re-claim control of it while it's still weak.

And we can do that by getting as many Ron Paul republicans as we can into congress in the next 8 years.

[Carehn]

I would advise against taking this movement to a third party. Third parties are far from successful in this country. Ron Paul said himself that he wishes to keep fighting within the republican party and that's where we should keep the movement. No one is going to listen to a libertarian. But they will listen to a republican. Our best bet is to infiltrate the republican party like the Neo-Cons did and re-claim control of it while it's still weak.

And we can do that by getting as many Ron Paul republicans as we can into congress in the next 8 years.

Ron ran as a Republican so people would listen. It worked. The Republicans have gone another way. For county's and state's i can see a libertarian winning. but for president now is not the time. This doesn't mean you can't vote the way you want. Paul won't and shouldn't run as a third party. but if we all pore are numbers into the libertarian party it may work as a wake up call to the rest of the nation.

[beachmaster]

I would advise against taking this movement to a third party. Third parties are far from successful in this country. Ron Paul said himself that he wishes to keep fighting within the republican party and that's where we should keep the movement. No one is going to listen to a libertarian. But they will listen to a republican. Our best bet is to infiltrate the republican party like the Neo-Cons did and re-claim control of it while it's still weak.

And we can do that by getting as many Ron Paul republicans as we can into congress in the next 8 years.
I might work to gut the pig known as the GOP and then bring it back as a respectable American institution. But I damn sure ain't voting for John McCain! I'll either write Ron in or vote LP at the general.

[The Tao Of Bill]

I might work to gut the pig known as the GOP and then bring it back as a respectable American institution. But I damn sure ain't voting for John McCain! I'll either write Ron in or vote LP at the general. That's fine. I'm really just talking about people planning a political career. They should stick to the republican party. Of course you can vote for anyone you want to since no one has to know about that but you. If there is one thing the republicans value it's party loyalty. So if you plan on a politcal career stay republican openly but vote libertarian privately.

[Carehn]

That's fine. I'm really just talking about people planning a political career. They should stick to the republican party. Of course you can vote for anyone you want to since no one has to know about that but you. If there is one thing the republicans value it's party loyalty. So if you plan on a politcal career stay republican openly but vote libertarian privately.

i know what your saying and its so true. but times are a changing.

[Soccrmastr]

We didnt lose yet noob.

[Omnis]

There has to be a solid schism in the GOP before we even think about giving the LP a go.

[The Tao Of Bill]

There has to be a solid schism in the GOP before we even think about giving the LP a go. Exactly. The way I see is you gotta look at it this way. Which party followers are going to be more forgiving of a candidate being disloyal to the party?

Libertarians will forgive former republicans but republicans will not forgive former libertarians. Ron Paul is the perfect example of this.

[tmosley]

It will be much easier to reform the Republican party from within (by force, starting at the grassroots and working our way up). It may take a couple of election cycles, but it wouldn't be unprecedented. We just have to stay focused on our message, and spread it to everyone.

[VoteForRonPaul]

They insulted us. then they ignored us. and now they plan to forget us. We are not to be forgotten
We are not to be forgotten brother!
That is one of the most beautiful statements I have ever heard in this board "we are not to be forgotten"
Thank you

[kingmonkey]

Third parties are viable if people get out there and do it! If Ron Paul has meant anything to you, if he has woken you up, if the message is real then it is your duty to carry on. Even if his campaign for President is over that doesn't mean you stop campaigning for him. Keep handing out slim jims and holding signs and talking to people about him. His campaign might be focusing on his Congressional seat but his SUPPORTERS need to focus on his Presidential run! We have contributed more time and money to Dr. Paul's campaign than what the FEC reports. How many hand made Ron Paul signs are out there? How many fliers and cards that were printed by his supporters are out there? WE ARE THE CAMPAIGN!

And never forget it is not about Ron Paul! It has NEVER been about Ron Paul! It has ALWAYS been about freedom and liberty and truth. The MESSAGE is what is important! If you believe in what Dr. Paul has been saying then your duty as an American is to continue the fight!

But how?

Even if you don't think you can win you need to run for some kind of office. City council, county commission, school board, State representative or even Congress. Run as a libertarian or as a Republican or an independent! It doesn't matter! Just keep putting the message out there. The thing about propaganda is that it only works so long as people are exposed to it. The neo-cons and the socialist have their propaganda machines. Let's use our own propaganda machines to expose people to the ideas of sound money, limited government, humble foreign policy and personal liberty.

The capitalize on the momentum we have each and every one of us must get out there and DO SOMETHING about it! Run for office or support someone else who is running for office with the same views! Use the same kind of grassroots campaigning that worked so well for Dr. Paul. Stay in the peoples face! Even when the elections are over form groups that will continue the revolution! Print up your own fliers and hand bills and give them to people. Make videos, burn them to DVD and hand them out to people. NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT BECAUSE IF YOU DO THEN THEY WIN AND THIS COUNTRY IS LOST FOREVER!

Keep putting the MESSAGE out there! Never stop, never tire! Continue the fight for liberty or we will have nothing but slavery!

Mitchell.

[Akus]

I am running as a precint chair for a Republican party. There is a republican Liberty Caucus, that has views very similar to those of a Libertarian Party, but without the Libertarian Party's baggage and irrelevance.

Republican party's disadvantage is obvious. It is full of geriatric blind, deaf, and clinically insane old geezers, who, despite huge catastrophies of GWB, would still vote for him in a heartbeat. He can be as dishonest and corrupt and inept, but all he has to do is say Jesus and the grannies and grandpas will come running voting for him. The advantage is that the basis is already built. The party is politically relevant, even with Bush in the Whitehouse. Whatever happens in the party is front page news and the party doesn't have to fight countless bullshit measures to make it difficult for it to present itself to people.

I was once a Libertarian. I voted Badnarick in 04 and will never regret having done so. Given a choice between (instert a Dem here) and (insert a non RP Republican here), I'll gladly choose a third party, if it's Libertarian. But the party is almost 40 years old and has nothing to show for it. They are shooting at the US presidency, but there hasn't been a single Libertarian mayer, or a Libertarian Governor. Their priorities are too all over the place. They're chaotic and disorganized.

Do you remember 2004 elections? Have you heard of www.libertariansforBush.com? This website was for the Libertarians who believed so eagerly that Bush must stay in the office so we would win the war in Iraq, that they broke off the official Libertarin line.

Do you remember how Libertarian party wanted to all but burn at the stake Neal Boortz, who was a pro-war Libertarian and still is?

I have gone to Libertarian meetings and I see no direction, no solid goal to achieve. The meetings are chaotic, the people who are running for local offices are unelectable by looks alone and the whole atmosphere is just bleh. I have no idea what their direction is.

It is certainly not to attain power - they have been around since early 70s and their biggest achevement is almost 1 000 000 votes in the 1980 Carter/Reagan election. There are no Libertarians in the electoral college except one time, again, in the early 70s.

Nor is it to promote this or that particular cause, otherwise they would be all channeling their strength to make sure Ron Paul would win.

I will try to work with Libertarian minded Republicans. They may be few, but at least the party has its shit together. Certainly compared to Libertarians.

[Channing]

We will indeed win the "war" because Ron Paul has many more actual delegates than the mass media are reporting. The supporters of the other candidates are often too lazy to actually go to the conventions.

[sunny]

It is no question of mine that the numbers behind Ron Paul scared the big wigs. In my life i have never seen so many blatant lies about one man. I have never watched so many people try and twist the words of one man. I have never seen a media black out so large. There was something in his massage that touched the harts of many people all over the world. Yet it was like poison to others.

I do not believe anything is over till its over. I have seen to many crazy football games. It is not in my blood to give up. I will fight like a savage for Paul as all of you should, but that is why I'm writing. I can see his supporters dropping like flies. Boobing about how it was unfair. Well it was unfair, no one said it would be. This massage, manifesto if you will has lit a fire in are soles. For some it has been long coming and for others it was just on the tip of there tung. For many Paul has awakened the sleeping. He has cured there apathy. So now, when not Paul but the revolution needs us the most we act as if beaten? Are we now going to return to are masters? Are we going to fade away like some high school fad? I will not go down like that!

They insulted us. then they ignored us. and now they plan to forget us. We are not to be forgotten. Ron Paul whether you will admit it or not was and is a Libertarian. His views may differ a little but that is true with every one. He wanted to change the Republican party from within because the two party's have a strangle hold on American politics and it was his only way to get face time. Paul has now done his part. He has informed those willing to listen, and set a nation on fire. No he didn't get the votes needed but he got a large number of them. Now its are turn.

I'm suggesting we switch to the Libertarian party. That doesn't mean you have to vote for them. but perhaps it will get some attention from the GOP. Maybe even the Libertarian's will get a little air time. after all that is the platform (for the most part) that Paul really was running on. Don't vote for the lesser of two evils. So what if Hitlery gets in. Is she going to be any worse then McNugget. Vote for Paul any way and show the MSM that there are more then two party's. Continue the fight for the house and senate also. Get involved and look for a pro revolution candidate. If there isn't one then think about running yourself. The Democrats went south long ago and now the Republicans have turned into war profiteering fascists. If we all join the Libertarian's we can take over there party (not that it would be that hard) they are still fighting the good fight.

Send a massage to are elected officials. let them know we aren't playing there two sided game any more.

ITS ONLY KINKY THE FIRST TIME! (http://www.lp.org/)


OH REALLY CAREHN?
this is an e i just got from them. what a slap in the face to dr. paul!
read it for youself. i basically told them to go to hell!
screw the libertarian party!

you need to reread dr. paul's statement.
it is clear he wants and needs our support - AS MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY:

Dear friend,

Late Friday evening, Ron Paul sent out a message to his many supporters stating that he had a "nearly zero" chance of winning the Republican nomination in a brokered convention. Dr. Paul also stated loud and clear that "there will be no third party run."

Many of our own members, maybe even you, have been enthusiastic supporters of Dr. Paul's campaign over the past year. Many thousands have given their time, money and their passion to support the efforts of Ron Paul's presidential campaign.

The efforts of these thousands of supporters were noble, but in the end, Republicans rejected Dr. Paul's message of peace, prosperity and freedom.

The GOP will more than likely move forward with the nomination of a compromising politician who does not cherish the merits of liberty and shows little interest in shrinking the size and power of government.

This leaves the Republican Party right where it started and where it has been for many, many years -- a party without principle. With its partner on the left, both parties continue to represent a compromising beast that continually thirsts for more power at the expense of our liberty, our property and our privacy.

In stark contrast, the Libertarian Party stands firm. Our values are unwavering. Our commitment is unstoppable.

This is not because we hold a strong partisan loyalty to our party structure, it's because we have trust and love for liberty in its purest form. Our party serves as the vessel to affect change within our nation. And unlike the GOP, we don't need to change the party from within and regain our principles, as they have never been lost.

The Libertarian Party is the last remaining stronghold for liberty in American politics.

Unfortunately, the Ron Paul campaign has unintentionally taken a toll on our party. Many of our members have changed their voter registration to vote for Ron Paul in a primary while others have allowed their support to lapse as they gave all that they could for a candidate that represented their values.

Early on, I made the decision to not interfere or discourage this activity. I felt it was wrong for me to place our party above such an incredible opportunity for liberty that existed with Dr. Paul's run for the White House.

But today, it's time to come home.

If you have switched your party registration, allowed your membership to lapse or have put off your decision to join the LP, I now ask that you reverse course and renew your support for our principled party.

In spite of the events of this past year, we were still able to make significant gains in membership with a 28 percent increase while we moved onto a firm financial footing. We did this while seeing inspiring electoral success by winning 20 percent of our races.

This proves that Americans are waking up to liberty and a historic opportunity for growth exists for the LP in 2008. However, in order to take advantage of this time, we need every last man and woman back in our party.

It's time to come home.

Liberty is alive in America today but it is suppressed by the significance and power of the two-party system. Partisanship, combined with ignorance, is destroying our nation by taking away our freedoms and even the lives of those we love through wars of aggression.

The two-party system must be beaten back and destroyed.

Fighting from within either the Republican or Democratic structure does nothing to accomplish this goal and only increases our many problems as time, energy and money is wasted to change a monstrosity that is corrupt beyond repair.

Why fight to move your own party in the direction of freedom when you can fight each day to move your nation in the direction of freedom?

It's time to come home.

Liberty is something that can be everything to one man and nothing to another. Some accept that, while they are born free, they do not live free. They go about their existence either in resignation that they cannot change their personal destiny or they have grown comfortable in their shackles.

Libertarians are different.

Our hearts burn for freedom. We wake each morning, intent on moving our nation in the direction of liberty.

Our passion cannot be diminished or compromised through party labels or the actions of cunning men. Libertarians working through the Libertarian Party will continually challenge those who mean to enslave us through taxation, fear and warfare.

It's time to come home.

Among the many opportunities that exist for our movement, one of the most important is reaching out to the thousands of men and women whose passions have been ignited by the Ron Paul campaign.

All Libertarians must put out a welcome mat to these Americans as they continue to learn more about liberty but are now politically homeless. Most importantly, we must tolerate the minor differences that we may have and accept the differing stages of development of our political thought.

Many of you will be receiving a letter in the mail with the intent of welcoming Ron Paul and his supporters into our party. While that letter was written before the rush of recent events, it is vital that you respond to signal your support for giving these supporters a home within our party.

It's time to come home and to offer a home to those whose minds have been opened to liberty.

Take action today:

To renew your membership, go to www.lp.org/renew

To join the Libertarian Party, go to www.lp.org/join

To donate, go to www.lp.org/donate

To change your voter registration to Libertarian, contact your state party, by visiting www.lp.org/states

Also, do not hesitate to contact me or any other member of our staff by calling 1-800-Elect-Us.

Please take action after you finish reading this message.

In closing, I would like to give the following words to those who stubbornly continue their fight to change the corrupt and destructive Republican or Democrat parties from within.

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." – Samuel Adams, 1776

Our founding fathers did not hope to change the tyranny of British rule from within. They faced their challenge head on. They did not waver, even in spite of the very real possibility that they would lose their very lives against an overwhelming power. They stood together, and eventually they won their freedom.

It is up to us -- we passionate Libertarians -- to reclaim our liberty.

With respect and sincerity,

Shane Cory
Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee

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[FreedomFighter8008]

I would advise against taking this movement to a third party. Third parties are far from successful in this country. Ron Paul said himself that he wishes to keep fighting within the republican party and that's where we should keep the movement. No one is going to listen to a libertarian. But they will listen to a republican. Our best bet is to infiltrate the republican party like the Neo-Cons did and re-claim control of it while it's still weak.

And we can do that by getting as many Ron Paul republicans as we can into congress in the next 8 years.

Agreed! I loved the original post (especially the part about seeing too many crazy football games), but why can't people just listen to and do what Ron Paul and his state campaign HQs say to do? We have to take back the Republican party. End of story. If we stay focused on this goal and move forward as a united front we can do this and we WILL win. If people keep going off with other fish to fry, or keep doubting, or whatever it is that enters your mind that is other than our stated goal, we lose. So I say (affectionately) knock off the doubt, stay focused and do whatever you have to do to do this. This is, without a doubt, a war. It is a war of the minds and we have the most brilliant leader we could have ever hoped for. Let's do everything we can to contribute to this motion rather than detract from it.

[Hurricane Bruiser]

I might work to gut the pig known as the GOP and then bring it back as a respectable American institution. But I damn sure ain't voting for John McCain! I'll either write Ron in or vote LP at the general.

Couldn't say it better.

[HOLLYWOOD]

65-75% of the SHEEPLE get their information about the Presidential candidates form TELEVISION.

END of STORY

[Carehn]

Ok guys. a bunch of you out there are very intense. Im not asking any one not to vote for paul. I'm not even asking you to stop campaigning. That is clear if you read my post. Im not asking any one to except every thing the libertarians believe. that would be sheep like. What im saying is you can sine up to be a libertarian on there web site and remain registered a republican. You don't even have to tell any one. Its like being a closet smoker.

As far as the Libertarians asking people to come home, How would you see that as a slap in the face? If you have voted for Paul in one of the early states now you can re register. And if not you can stay a republican till then or forever if you want. all im saying is if we give the Libertarians the numbers it may make the republicans think.

Like i said before. ITS ONLY KINKY THE FIRST TIME! (http://www.lp.org/)

[MN Patriot]

I am running as a precint chair for a Republican party. There is a republican Liberty Caucus, that has views very similar to those of a Libertarian Party, but without the Libertarian Party's baggage and irrelevance.

Republican party's disadvantage is obvious. It is full of geriatric blind, deaf, and clinically insane old geezers, who, despite huge catastrophies of GWB, would still vote for him in a heartbeat. He can be as dishonest and corrupt and inept, but all he has to do is say Jesus and the grannies and grandpas will come running voting for him. The advantage is that the basis is already built. The party is politically relevant, even with Bush in the Whitehouse. Whatever happens in the party is front page news and the party doesn't have to fight countless bullshit measures to make it difficult for it to present itself to people.

I was once a Libertarian. I voted Badnarick in 04 and will never regret having done so. Given a choice between (instert a Dem here) and (insert a non RP Republican here), I'll gladly choose a third party, if it's Libertarian. But the party is almost 40 years old and has nothing to show for it. They are shooting at the US presidency, but there hasn't been a single Libertarian mayer, or a Libertarian Governor. Their priorities are too all over the place. They're chaotic and disorganized.

Do you remember 2004 elections? Have you heard of www.libertariansforBush.com? This website was for the Libertarians who believed so eagerly that Bush must stay in the office so we would win the war in Iraq, that they broke off the official Libertarin line.

Do you remember how Libertarian party wanted to all but burn at the stake Neal Boortz, who was a pro-war Libertarian and still is?

I have gone to Libertarian meetings and I see no direction, no solid goal to achieve. The meetings are chaotic, the people who are running for local offices are unelectable by looks alone and the whole atmosphere is just bleh. I have no idea what their direction is.

It is certainly not to attain power - they have been around since early 70s and their biggest achevement is almost 1 000 000 votes in the 1980 Carter/Reagan election. There are no Libertarians in the electoral college except one time, again, in the early 70s.

Nor is it to promote this or that particular cause, otherwise they would be all channeling their strength to make sure Ron Paul would win.

I will try to work with Libertarian minded Republicans. They may be few, but at least the party has its shit together. Certainly compared to Libertarians.

I was in the Libertarian Party 10 years ago. I ran for Congress, got 4% of the vote, hoping that the time was right for the Libertarian Party to finally gain recognition and credibility. Didn't happen. The people running the LP have no clue about how to create a strategy to gain acceptance and build a credible third party. All they want is "members", like Shane Cory's letter from the LP says. Yes, they have principles, but that is about all they have.

I was really disappointed that Ron doesn't want to run as a Libertarian. For this to be a true revolution, he should have led his supporters to join the LP and build it into a competent political party that might not win in 2008, but could grow enough to get Libertarians elected in 2010 and beyond. I have to agree with the sentiment that the Republican party is corrupt beyond redemption. I will continue as a delegate to the next level in my state, but I doubt that it it will do much good.

The Whig Party was replaced with the Republican Party. At the time, "republicanism" was a well recognized political philosophy. Now "libertarianism" is becoming a widely recognized political philosophy, it only follows that the Libertarian Party should be the political organization that puts that ideology into practice.

[klamath]

The Republican party is only a coalition of many wings as is the democratic party. In this country we the people determine the ruling party. In european countries they have many parties and many candidates are elected. What happens then? They cannot run a government unless there is a majority. They have to make backroom political deals at party leadership levels to form the government's ruling coalition. Do we want that here.
I have been of the liberatian beliefs since I was 14 but I have always been a republican. I am part of the liberatian wing of the party. We have to drive the neocons, and the hypocritical christian right out of the party by changing the party platform like is being done in Alaska and we need to attract the fiscal conservative Democrats into the party to make up the loss of those wings we drove out.
If you are going for the pure party it will never happen. I am liberatian and believe that people can use drugs if they choose but I have no use for the liberatians that are such only because they want to destroy their minds with drugs. For the record I think alcohol is just as bad as the other drugs and can't stand the hypocracy of republicans that talk about drinking and then look down at other drug users. I have seen way to many good peoples lives wreaked with chemical dependancies to ever think otherwise.

[Peace&Freedom]

I am running as a precint chair for a Republican party. There is a republican Liberty Caucus, that has views very similar to those of a Libertarian Party, but without the Libertarian Party's baggage and irrelevance.

One could turn that right around, and say there is a Libertarian Party, that has views very similar to those of the Republican Liberty Caucus, but without the RLC's baggage and irrelevance. I suggest if the MSM and GOP party leadership could strangle a candidate of Paul's stature and tenure, they could much more easily crush his supporters' subsequent attempts to 'transform the Republican Party.'

I propose a simpler alternative. Paul has been blacked out and blackballed by an ESTABLISHMENT that has preponderant control over both major parties, the media and other outposts of the current order. The way to overcome it is NOT through using one vehicle in a forest, but to build and fortify a new establishment that displaces the old one. That more befits a REVOLUTION than getting a baby highchair seat at the table of the current establishment. We need to smash the table!

There are over 100,000 Ron Paul meetup members, 200,000 donors, and over 600,000 people who have voted for Paul thus far in the primaries (more than who voted for him for President as a Libertarian in 1988). Using these figures as rough measuring sticks of his strength, why not evenly split our political energies and have a quarter or third stay in the Republican Party, another fragment go to the Liibertarian Party, another fragment to the Constitution Party, as another fragment concentrates on a national 'Liberty' TV News Network, and so on? This way we are building up a new establishment to fight a multifront battle in a multifront way, versus hoping one vehicle will get us out of the forest.

If nothing else, this grassroots has shown the world how to get things done. 30,000 Paul supporters entering the LP WOULD at last transform that party into getting things done (ditto for the CP). 30,000 Ron Paul Republicans staying active in the GOP would likely transform it (beginning with the RLC), by demanding it support Pauline candidates. 30,000 donors (or donor-finders) could probably co-operatively launch a cable TV equivalent to Ron Paul Revolution Radio, with a pro-liberty/pro-patriot movement/no-CFR mission statement built into its charter, to finally have our uncontrolled news organ.

If any of these routes failed, the revolutionaries have 'walking power' to abandon it to concentrate on building the other legs, much like the neocons are nested in both major parties, to exert influence on whichever side wins the White House. We should build the new order to the point were WE are in position to win, no matter which side prevails in an election or primary process. It should be five PAUL-like candidates crowsing out one pro-war outsider, not the whole political world versus Paul, as with this season. I suggest we try this 'establishment-building' route to victory, otherwise we may end up 'coming in on one engine' with a single party non-solution that will lead, over time, to another movement track record of 'baggage and irrelevance.'

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

It will be much easier to reform the Republican party from within (by force, starting at the grassroots and working our way up). It may take a couple of election cycles, but it wouldn't be unprecedented. We just have to stay focused on our message, and spread it to everyone.

Agreed.


The original poster must have had a tough, emotional February.

I suspect he is a previously banned poster.

[Carehn]

Agreed.


The original poster must have had a tough, emotional February.

I suspect he is a previously banned poster.

Me? I have not been band. i have been on ronpaulforum (without an s). I was just tossing a thought out there.

[kingmonkey]

It doesn't matter what party you are in. In your believe in freedom and small government join whatever party you wish. Libertarian, Republican, Democrat, Constitution -- doesn't matter. If you live in an area that can only be won as a Republican (like myself) then be a Republican. If Libertarians have a chance be a Libertarian. Do whatever you have to do but for gods sake don't stop spreading the MESSAGE! It is the MESSAGE not the party that is important. We'd probably be a much better nation if we didn't have political parties. Stop worrying about what party you need to belong to and just keep spreading the message to anyone who will listen.

End.

[kgiese]

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" Animal House movie quote

[Agora]

watch this http://youtube.com/watch?v=md8Z46pfpyM

[WilliamC]

It is no question of mine that the numbers behind Ron Paul scared the big wigs. In my life i have never seen so many blatant lies about one man. I have never watched so many people try and twist the words of one man. I have never seen a media black out so large. There was something in his massage that touched the harts of many people all over the world. Yet it was like poison to others.

I do not believe anything is over till its over. I have seen to many crazy football games. It is not in my blood to give up. I will fight like a savage for Paul as all of you should, but that is why I'm writing. I can see his supporters dropping like flies. Boobing about how it was unfair. Well it was unfair, no one said it would be. This massage, manifesto if you will has lit a fire in are soles. For some it has been long coming and for others it was just on the tip of there tung. For many Paul has awakened the sleeping. He has cured there apathy. So now, when not Paul but the revolution needs us the most we act as if beaten? Are we now going to return to are masters? Are we going to fade away like some high school fad? I will not go down like that!

They insulted us. then they ignored us. and now they plan to forget us. We are not to be forgotten. Ron Paul whether you will admit it or not was and is a Libertarian. His views may differ a little but that is true with every one. He wanted to change the Republican party from within because the two party's have a strangle hold on American politics and it was his only way to get face time. Paul has now done his part. He has informed those willing to listen, and set a nation on fire. No he didn't get the votes needed but he got a large number of them. Now its are turn.

I'm suggesting we switch to the Libertarian party. That doesn't mean you have to vote for them. but perhaps it will get some attention from the GOP. Maybe even the Libertarian's will get a little air time. after all that is the platform (for the most part) that Paul really was running on. Don't vote for the lesser of two evils. So what if Hitlery gets in. Is she going to be any worse then McNugget. Vote for Paul any way and show the MSM that there are more then two party's. Continue the fight for the house and senate also. Get involved and look for a pro revolution candidate. If there isn't one then think about running yourself. The Democrats went south long ago and now the Republicans have turned into war profiteering fascists. If we all join the Libertarian's we can take over there party (not that it would be that hard) they are still fighting the good fight.

Send a massage to are elected officials. let them know we aren't playing there two sided game any more.

ITS ONLY KINKY THE FIRST TIME! (http://www.lp.org/)

I don't like it but for now the two-party system is the only real game in town.

Third parties are dead on arrival (edit: at least on a National Level)

So no to the LP.

If they have any integrity, they'll nominate Ron Paul anyway.

Same for the Constitution Party, and the Reform Party if they even exist any more.

And learn to spell.

[ReneeSaffron]

Nice post. I would suggest switching to the Constitution Party if you're going to switch at all though. Ron Paul has said that he is a Constitutionalist and that is the platform he is running on. The Constitution Party is also strongly in favor of Ron Paul. www.constitutionparty.com

[G-Wohl]

That's fine. I'm really just talking about people planning a political career. They should stick to the republican party. Of course you can vote for anyone you want to since no one has to know about that but you. If there is one thing the republicans value it's party loyalty. So if you plan on a politcal career stay republican openly but vote libertarian privately.

I think that it's a safe bet to say that the Republican party has gone a bad new direction now, and there's probably not much we can do to stop it.

I say don't even THINK about the Republican party. Let it die! If the GOP wants to continue to backlash against young, intellectual, and massively-numbered supporters of conservative values, then it doesn't need to exist anymore. Let the GOP internally kill itself! Then a better, more honest party (LIBERTARIAN PARTY!) can take the forefront.

Believe me, young people are going to Democrats versus Republican 4:1, even when taking into consideration the Ron Paul segment of Republicans. The GOP will not stay alive for that much longer if young people are continuously not going to go GOP. Young people don't stay young for long, after all!

www.lp.org

[klamath]

I think that it's a safe bet to say that the Republican party has gone a bad new direction now, and there's probably not much we can do to stop it.

I say don't even THINK about the Republican party. Let it die! If the GOP wants to continue to backlash against young, intellectual, and massively-numbered supporters of conservative values, then it doesn't need to exist anymore. Let the GOP internally kill itself! Then a better, more honest party (LIBERTARIAN PARTY!) can take the forefront.

Believe me, young people are going to Democrats versus Republican 4:1, even when taking into consideration the Ron Paul segment of Republicans. The GOP will not stay alive for that much longer if young people are continuously not going to go GOP. Young people don't stay young for long, after all!

www.lp.org

Give the Democrats 4 or 8 years in power and people will be leaving them in droves.

[Leroy_Jenkems]

Well, I think we all know that in order for a newer party to become a household name, the media marketing & promotion will have to be bottom-up, cause the MSM sure as hell won't help out. So there will have to be lots of supporters, a convergence of strategies for more concentrated/effective targeting, LOTS of money, and good media-ready personalities to win people over to this new party.

[Carehn]

Well, I think we all know that in order for a newer party to become a household name, the media marketing & promotion will have to be bottom-up, cause the MSM sure as hell won't help out. So there will have to be lots of supporters, a convergence of strategies for more concentrated/effective targeting, LOTS of money, and good media-ready personalities to win people over to this new party.

Yes thats it. new people and new faces. We can run all over the country for all different positions in local and federal governments. I think its fare to say that most of us are young and that is enough to get us a little are time.

[The Tao Of Bill]

I think that it's a safe bet to say that the Republican party has gone a bad new direction now, and there's probably not much we can do to stop it.

I say don't even THINK about the Republican party. Let it die! If the GOP wants to continue to backlash against young, intellectual, and massively-numbered supporters of conservative values, then it doesn't need to exist anymore. Let the GOP internally kill itself! Then a better, more honest party (LIBERTARIAN PARTY!) can take the forefront.

Believe me, young people are going to Democrats versus Republican 4:1, even when taking into consideration the Ron Paul segment of Republicans. The GOP will not stay alive for that much longer if young people are continuously not going to go GOP. Young people don't stay young for long, after all!

www.lp.org
The Republican party is injured but it is far from dead. And it's the most credible party right now and until something changes it's best not to gamble your political career on the republican party getting replaced anytime soon as there really isn't a third party with enough organization and power to really take it's place.

But if you really don't care either way and are willing to say to hell with your political career because you feel it's only the right thing to do to abolish the two party system then by all means more power to you. But I would strongly advise against it until you have significant reasons to suspect that your party of choice will over take the republicans. Because as it stands now, though the republican party is weak it's still thousands of times stronger than the strongest third party.

[G-Wohl]

But I would strongly advise against it until you have significant reasons to suspect that your party of choice will over take the republicans. Because as it stands now, though the republican party is weak it's still thousands of times stronger than the strongest third party.

Think about how the Republicans first established their party. It was because of a major issue that they disagreed with another powerful party on - slavery.

There are a LOT of issues that are going to really divide people, and if the Republicans and Democrats both end up agreeing on it, whatever it may be, then a 3rd party can definitely step up and bring another party down.

Is it unrealistic to suggest that the Dems and Repubs will one day merge, in order to "battle" a 3rd party which they both disagree with? Remember what Freedom to Fascism said: The Republicans and Democrats disagree with each other until a force comes by which threatens to end their craps game.

Whether this issue be internet censorship, our foreign policy, or some other matter, I can assure you it WILL come up one day and it CAN be a huge opportunity for the Ron Paul Republicans/Libertarians.

[The Tao Of Bill]

All I'm saying is it's a gamble. If you feel passionate about it no one is stopping you. I'm just saying it could cost you your political career. But if it's worth the risk then please go for it. No one would be happier than me to see the 2 party system destroyed. I just don't think it will happen.

If you want to gamble then that's your choice. But don't gamble the movement we've all worked hard on. If a third party with Ron Paul's platform takes over the republicans or at least comes close to the 33% mark then I'm sure there would be plenty of people willing to join. But as of now no third party has shown promise to over take the republicans. So as of now I don't think the movement should go third party because it could wind up backfiring and turning the movement into a media joke.

[Carehn]

All I'm saying is it's a gamble. If you feel passionate about it no one is stopping you. I'm just saying it could cost you your political career. But if it's worth the risk then please go for it. No one would be happier than me to see the 2 party system destroyed. I just don't think it will happen.

If you want to gamble then that's your choice. But don't gamble the movement we've all worked hard on. If a third party with Ron Paul's platform takes over the republicans or at least comes close to the 33% mark then I'm sure there would be plenty of people willing to join. But as of now no third party has shown promise to over take the republicans. So as of now I don't think the movement should go third party because it could wind up backfiring and turning the movement into a media joke.

With all do respect we are a media joke. lol

Yes for the individual it would cost a political career unless you could talk like Paul or Hitler or some one of that caliber. A communicator so to speak. But you are right, It would only add gas to the fire. the time is not right for that.