After General Election we need to STAY IN THE GOP(not necessarily vote for the nom)

[DealzOnWheelz]

Ok guys I am WRITING IN RON PAUL NO MATTER WHAT

But What I will be doing is Staying in the Republican party.

Why?

I know I hate all these damn Neocons taking this party to hell.

But I'm a CONSERVATIVE. And I support RON PAUL who has said in his last email that he will stay a Republican.

We all know that NO REPUBLICAN (aside from Ron Paul) can WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION.


But we also know that the GOP will self Destruct.

It is INEVITABLE and who better left to pick up the pieces than RON PAUL REPUBLICANS.

This is just the beginning and Ron Paul is about to become the next BARRY GOLDWATER and who knows maybe we will even cultivate our own Reagan out of this.(granted I don't think Reagan was a great president) but he ran on a terrific platform.

We must use this oppurtunity to infiltrate the tiers of the GOP and take back the party that once belonged to GEORGE WASHINGTON.


Keep in mind we have the ONE thing that the GOP does not have;

and that is our YOUTH.

We will be here for as long as this earth exists(which under Hitlery or McStalin might not be much longer) and we will BECOME THE GOP.


This is the beginning of this movement. If we can use these next 4 years to work our way into the GOP and work some Cloak and Dagger mission to infiltrate the GOP and use the GOP to build this Revolution We CAN TAKE BACK THE LAND THAT OUR FOREFATHERS LEFT US MANY YEARS AGO.

We must FIGHT ONWARD AND UPWARD and continue building the momentum to storm the White House in 2012.

Soon enough our Economy will COLLAPSE, soon enough CHina will call in their loans, soon enough America will be a hollow shell of what it once stood for and at that time AMerica will be RIPE FOR THE PICKING and ready for the Revolution that simply began less than 1 year ago to take the reigns and bring back the greatness that our Forefathers left us.

I urge all of my Brothersand Sisters in Freedom to continue educating your peers especially those that are not yet able to vote and continue to work within the GOP to bring true Conservative values back to the Party that once stood for those principles.



REMEMBER I AM IN NO WAY URGING YOU TO SUPPORT THE GOP NOMINEE

I just want to see us TAKE BACK THE PARTY THAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS

AND SEND THOSE NEOCONS BACK TO HELL WHERE THEY CAME FROM

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

I agree. Its easier to reshape the party, than it is to re-invent the wheel.

[DealzOnWheelz]

bump

[DealzOnWheelz]

bump

[billjarrett]

agree

[billyjoeallen]

I will stay a republican as long as Dr. Paul is a republican.

[Enzo]

Sounds like a good plan. The current GOP establishment has no business being there.

The Republican party is really nothing more than a label. We can reclaim it. And redefine what it stands for.

And elect as many Ron Paul Republicans as we can.

[jeff43]

I agree. It's a 2 party system and we have to accept that and work within it if we want to make any kind of change. Ron Paul knows this and that's why he's remaining a Republican. Did he get more of a following during his 88 run as a Libertarian or his 08 run as a Republican? Exactly. Change the party from within. Get a respectable voting block in Congress that the Republican Party has to respect.

[TXcarlosTX]

spurs bump

[Misesian]

It would be nice if Ron Paul went and started a new party, and would be able to get the LP's/CP's/AFP's to merge into that party. I think it would take those from the GOP and the DP as well.

Though since Ron is staying in the GOP so shall I. I switched over to become a Republican for him so I might as well stay and help reshape the local party.

[Thunderbolt]

Those that stay in the GOP don't know what this movement is.


The GOP is not some amorphous group with no substance. It has some very rigid ideals.

Such as:

• Strengthening our Military.
• Deploying a missile defense system.
• Strengthening our ties NATO.
• Protecting the homeland and acheiving a sustained level of success and progress in Iraq.


http://safety.gop.com/GroupPage.aspx? That is the National GOP website link.

and this:


• Providing Support for Faith-Based and Community Organizations
• Support of the New Freedom Initiative, which provides support of freedom and independence for individuals with disabilities
• Support of Partial Birth Abortion Ban and "Connor's Law"

and this:


• A new high school initiative to help states hold high schools accountable for teaching all students and to provide effective interventions for those students who are not learning at grade level.
• Increasing reading skills for America’s striving readers by providing a focus on improving the reading skills of high school students who read below grade level.
• Accelerating mathematics and science achievement dedicated to support projects to accelerate the mathematics achievement of all secondary students, and especially low-achieving students.
• Accelerating student achievement with Advanced Placement and International Baccalaureate.
• Promoting Scholastic Achievement with State Scholars.

(For those of you that like Government interference in our schools you will be very happy with this party).

And this:

The President's Advanced Energy Initiative promotes America's four main sources of electricity: coal, nuclear, natural gas, and renewable sources.
• Nuclear Power is abundant and affordable, clean, and safe.
• President Bush is encouraging the research and development of Clean-Coal technologies, which is by far America’s most abundant and affordable energy resource.
• President Bush's FY2007 budget proposed $44 million in funding for wind energy research and other alternative and renewable resources.

(That is 44 million of your money that the GOP is happy to donate to large energy companies. If you are happy with this, then why on earth were you supporting Ron Paul?)

etc. etc. etc.

For those of you that came here for a small governement you will not find it in the official platform of the National Republican Party.

The Libertarian party has this to say:

"Libertarians believe the answer to America's political problems is the same commitment to freedom that earned America its greatness: a free-market economy and the abundance and prosperity it brings; a dedication to civil liberties and personal freedom that marks this country above all others; and a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade as prescribed by America's founders."

http://www.lp.org/issues/issues.shtml



You will not change the GOP. You could not even get Ron Paul elected and you think you are going to change the entire party? Wise up people. The GOP stands for something. If you agree that we should be "Protecting the homeland and acheiving [sic] a sustained level of success and progress in Iraq." then you belong in the GOP.

I couldn't disagree with that more. If you think the entire GOP is going to change its entire party motto, then you don't know much about politics. I know this is going to be blasphemous over here, but ever Ronald Reagan ran on one platform and then changed his entire world view and became a huge statist once he was in office. Just like George W.

Now the party has embraced the new goals of world domination and NATO and all the rest. If you stay in you are saying, I like that! I approve.

It is the same thing if you vote for McCain over Clinton or Obama. All anyone reads from that is that you LIKE McCain, not that you like Clinton less. By staying a member of and supporting the GOP you are supporting the party that it is NOW. You are telling the establishment that you LIKE world domination.

Or you can pretend that just because you and two of your friends are at a GOP meeting you can change the entire party the same way you got the entire party to see the light and vote for Ron Paul.

[newnews]

this assumes we ever were


this party STINKS

the stench of it reaches the heaven


ONE decent man out of a whole party?

Ever stop to think he's in the wrong place? They dont'want him there, they don't care about us.

Why cant he run in his district as an independent too?

I would do anything for Ron, but the GOP is on the hiway to hell, and I'd guess close to 40-50% of your supporters aren't even GOP,,,,,I just don't understand the rationale??? WHY??? Everyone is scared of the kook label for a new political party? DARE I SAY ITS ABOUT 50 YEARS OVERDUE??


I dont know where most of you are from or how good life is treating you, but theres a good reason we were given this chance, and time is short and we have now let the media and the GOP STEAL IT FROM US

[Thomas Paine]

In 1960, the GOP establishment stuck it to Barry Goldwater. During the next four years, Barry Goldwater and his supporters got involved in local GOP organizations, became precinct delegates/captains, and laid the foundation for a conservative grass roots that propelled Barry Goldwater to the GOP nomination for President in 1964. The foregoing is what we are going to do these next four years. The fight to retake the GOP from the self annointed, overaged, overweight, former College Republicans that are currently running the Republican Party into the toilet has only just begun!

[Fields]

Agreed. bump.

[literatim]

Those that stay in the GOP don't know what this movement is.

The members create the platform.


We are taking over the GOP in Alaska! THIS IS AWESOME, READ IT NOW! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=117171)

[Misesian]

You will not change the GOP. You could not even get Ron Paul elected and you think you are going to change the entire party? Wise up people. The GOP stands for something. If you agree that we should be "Protecting the homeland and acheiving [sic] a sustained level of success and progress in Iraq." then you belong in the GOP.


The goal is to change the COUNTY Republican Party.

Unfortunately the LP is a failure. I experimented with 3rd parties myself with the AFP, even became a state officer. What I learned is that the leaders in these parties have strong egos and put the party above principle themselves.

At least if we stay in the GOP we can actually have a CHANCE to win strong local seats like county commissioner and possibly state representative.

You can do what you want, as will I, but the smart decision (putting egos aside) would likely seem to remain in the GOP, and help change the local party.

I was at a YR meeting back in the fall and my single dissenting interjection against a "Let's UNITE around the nominee" comment was able to generate some discussion from the neocons and we all know that if we can get neocons to start debating, we OWN them. This is what happened. There were other Ron Paul Republicans present but if I was the only one there I would've made a lasting impression, and I did gain respect from the "leaders" in that group.

Preaching to the choir does us NO good.

[Southron]

While I won't hold it against anyone who wants to stay in the GOP, why can't you support those liberty minded candidates while still being a LP member? You can still donate all the money you want, and even switch parties just for the primaries. By joining the LP you help give them more power at the same time-giving 3rd parties a chance! You can still try and take over the GOP from there.

Personally, I just can't re-join a party that would nominate John Mccain. I'll be glad to help future 'Ron Pauls' if they decide to run Republican ticket too. Just think of all the horrible stuff Mccain will do if he wins the election. Morally, I can't be associated with that.

www.freestatewyoming.org

[Misesian]

While I won't hold it against anyone who wants to stay in the GOP, why can't you support those liberty minded candidates while still being a LP member? You can still donate all the money you want, and even switch parties just for the primaries. By joining the LP you help give them more power at the same time-giving 3rd parties a chance! You can still try and take over the GOP from there.
www.freestatewyoming.org

Because you can't be a party member by being an LP of course, and you can't have much of an influence by attending GOP meetings as a member of another party. As I said, preaching to the choir in a 3rd party does us no good. It's actually counter-productive because we end up arguing over silly technicalities that we'd NEVER be arguing over if we were talking to neoconservative Republicans or socialist democrats.

Perfect example of this was a fellow Ron Paul supporter and libertarian friend of mine from work. We were discussing the matter of stores asking for your receipt when you leave, and prior to this I had a neocon and a socialist teaming up to attack me over my mentioning of the interest right hike that Paul Volker did to help curb runaway inflation. The idiots don't even understand something as simple as the business cycle and how Greenspan's actions contributed to record breaking foreclosures.

If my libertarian buddy had been with me, obviously we'd be explaining something that is fundamentally basic to us, to them. Me and him get into arguments all the time, but like I said about silly technicalities that 96% of the people that we work with (using the 4% Ron Paul vote in my FL county to get that number ;)) would simply not comprehend.

Strategically, for continuing this revolution, I personally think it's a much better idea to remain a Republican, or at least to become a democrat (if you came from there) and infiltrate them as well.

[Thunderbolt]

Well, after reading what some kids just did in Alaska - or have proposed - I can see a value of staying in the GOP if you are going to their meetings and an active member of the party. If not, then you are just wasting a chance to make a real statement. But if you want to go to all the GOP meetings, put in changes to the entire party, get enough of you in there so that in a few years you will be at the state level so that when those changes get proposed you will be there to vote on them. Then I guess I see value.

I can't wait to get the slime off of me. I won't be that involved with politics. I am too old and too tired. This is a young person's game.

If you won't be that involved with the party, then I stick with what I said: the GOP stands for something very very evil and by remaining a member you are saying you approve of that evil.

I don't. I won't. I can't. If tens of thousands of people leave the GOP after Ron Paul quits the election or wins, then it will send a message. If you all just stay in like sheep the party will think it won. You will be telling it it won.

I want to tell the LP that they have won. They have gained supporters and perhaps they can turn into the next major party. See any Whigs around anymore? Parties do change. Just because we have two parties right now doesn't mean that we can't do so much damage to the RP and leave them and let them go extinct!

People have been leaving the GOP in droves and you want to prop them up? Let them die a natural death. Bring all the Ron Paul folks over to the Libertarian party where they fit like a glove, and let's get that party expanded. Then you don't have to be there for twenty or more to affect change. You can affect change today!

Show that stinking GOP where all the Ron Paul supporters are going - to the Libertarian Party! Maybe more will follow you....

[J Free]

Those that stay in the GOP don't know what this movement is. The GOP is not some amorphous group with no substance. It has some very rigid ideals. blahblahblah

You are correct that the GOP has some rigid principles. But they are not the list you wrote. What you identified are specific stances on specific issues. Here are the GOP Principles (http://www.gop.com/about/imarepublicanbecause.htm)

Republican Principles

I'm a Republican Because...

I BELIEVE the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person’s dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.

I BELIEVE in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability.

I BELIEVE free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity.

I BELIEVE government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of the money they earn.

I BELIEVE the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations, and that the best government is that which governs least.

I BELIEVE the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people.

I BELIEVE Americans must retain the principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of changing times.

I BELIEVE Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.

FINALLY, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.

So the question for you is do you want RP supporters to flesh those principles out as they apply to specific stances on specific issues. Or do you want others to do so - with RP supporters not even in the room because they are off in some third party preaching to the choir?

Because there is not ONE principle here that would be considered offensive to Ron Paul. The big problem with any third party is that last principle. Third parties are organizationally useless and thus any notion that they are the best vehicle to accomplish ANYTHING related to actual government is mere delusion.

[TexasAggie09]

I agree.

[Misesian]

Well, after reading what some kids just did in Alaska - or have proposed - I can see a value of staying in the GOP if you are going to their meetings and an active member of the party. If not, then you are just wasting a chance to make a real statement. But if you want to go to all the GOP meetings, put in changes to the entire party, get enough of you in there so that in a few years you will be at the state level so that when those changes get proposed you will be there to vote on them. Then I guess I see value.

Well yes I would probably agree that if you're going to do absolutely nothing but registered with a party, than might as well register with a 3rd party. Though I really wish the CP and LP could MERGE. Though the problem is a lot of 3rd party people will become complacent and NOT re-register when the primaries come around so that they CAN vote (closed party state like FL).

Though the point is to NOT stay home and do nothing. We had people do this with the Ron Paul r3VOLution and look where it got us? Coming out to meetings to be around like minded people, but not being willing to do the WORK is meaningless. Now going to meetings IS going to be the work for changing the local GOP. One or two meetings a month (in addition to Ron Paul ones) doesn't seem like that much work, especially considering our goal which is legalizing the Constitution.

[Swmorgan77]

Ok guys I am WRITING IN RON PAUL NO MATTER WHAT

But What I will be doing is Staying in the Republican party.

Why?

I know I hate all these damn Neocons taking this party to hell.

But I'm a CONSERVATIVE. And I support RON PAUL who has said in his last email that he will stay a Republican.

We all know that NO REPUBLICAN (aside from Ron Paul) can WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION.


But we also know that the GOP will self Destruct.

It is INEVITABLE and who better left to pick up the pieces than RON PAUL REPUBLICANS.

This is just the beginning and Ron Paul is about to become the next BARRY GOLDWATER and who knows maybe we will even cultivate our own Reagan out of this.(granted I don't think Reagan was a great president) but he ran on a terrific platform.

We must use this oppurtunity to infiltrate the tiers of the GOP and take back the party that once belonged to GEORGE WASHINGTON.


Keep in mind we have the ONE thing that the GOP does not have;

and that is our YOUTH.

We will be here for as long as this earth exists(which under Hitlery or McStalin might not be much longer) and we will BECOME THE GOP.


This is the beginning of this movement. If we can use these next 4 years to work our way into the GOP and work some Cloak and Dagger mission to infiltrate the GOP and use the GOP to build this Revolution We CAN TAKE BACK THE LAND THAT OUR FOREFATHERS LEFT US MANY YEARS AGO.

We must FIGHT ONWARD AND UPWARD and continue building the momentum to storm the White House in 2012.

Soon enough our Economy will COLLAPSE, soon enough CHina will call in their loans, soon enough America will be a hollow shell of what it once stood for and at that time AMerica will be RIPE FOR THE PICKING and ready for the Revolution that simply began less than 1 year ago to take the reigns and bring back the greatness that our Forefathers left us.

I urge all of my Brothersand Sisters in Freedom to continue educating your peers especially those that are not yet able to vote and continue to work within the GOP to bring true Conservative values back to the Party that once stood for those principles.



REMEMBER I AM IN NO WAY URGING YOU TO SUPPORT THE GOP NOMINEE

I just want to see us TAKE BACK THE PARTY THAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS

AND SEND THOSE NEOCONS BACK TO HELL WHERE THEY CAME FROM

Nope I won't. If they see people leaving because they nominate Socialists, they might change something. As soon as being a registered Republican here in Utah no longer serves a potentioal purpose like being or voting for a delegate, I am GONE and will re-affiliate as Constitution party.

I will only come back when and if doing so allows me to support a principled conservative (backer of limited government).

[mannycp]

I will stay a republican as long as Dr. Paul is a republican.

+1

[Mandrik]

Sorry, can't do it. Once upon a time, before I was born in 1980, the party stood for the ideals RP preaches. But not any more. I can't associate myself with a group whose majority has ignored RP for so long, and who now does so much to make sure he's out of the spotlight. I know it's not everybody, but it's enough.

RP has a reason to stay as a Republican. That's how he has been elected and he represents what could be our last great Republican. But it's not my party, and it never will be. Once the PA primaries are over, I'm going back to unaffiliated. I gave this a lot of thought and I really see no other option.

[Sey.Naci]

To the naysayers, read this thread just posted today: We are taking over the GOP in Alaska (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=117171)

That's just the beginning of what's achievable.

[Xyrus2]

The GOP is not some amorphous group with no substance. It has some very rigid ideals.

Such as:

• Strengthening our Military.


Within reason. Our military should be well fortified and should be used in DEFENSE. That being said, having and international empire only serves to overextend and weaken our military.



• Deploying a missile defense system.


Might as well say deploy the holy forcefield of Antioch. This is an endless game of oneupmanship. We develop a missle shield, someone else develops a missle shield, we develop an anti-missle shield capability, so on and so forth.

Anyone who has missles capable of damaging the US is not going to use them for the simple reason that doing so would spell certain doom for them, if not from a retaliatory strike then economically. This is just fear mongering.



• Strengthening our ties NATO.


For what purpose?



• Protecting the homeland and achieving a sustained level of success and progress in Iraq.


Inherently vague and counter productive. What is success? We haven't had any real goals set, and that has been part of the problem. No one is will ing to come up with criteria there. That keeps us essentially in a perpetual quagmire (not to mention acting as a lightening rod for instability). The best way to protect the homeland is to secure our borders and let other countries figure out how to resolve their own problems. We are over extended, hemorrhaging funds, and our borders or porous. Just leaving Iraq you could kill three birds with one stone.



• Providing Support for Faith-Based and Community Organizations


I think we can all agree that it is not the government's responsibility to support such organizations. The constitution gives the federal government no charter to do so. Plus, it is most likely a bigoted stance (will they support Rastafarians, Muslims, Hindu...???)? Doubtful.



• Support of the New Freedom Initiative, which provides support of freedom and independence for individuals with disabilities


I must have missed the memo. Don't people with disabilities already have this?



• Support of Partial Birth Abortion Ban and "Connor's Law"


That's not the responsibility of the federal government. The people and the states need to come to their own decisions.



• A new high school initiative to help states hold high schools accountable for teaching all students and to provide effective interventions for those students who are not learning at grade level.
• Increasing reading skills for America’s striving readers by providing a focus on improving the reading skills of high school students who read below grade level.
• Accelerating mathematics and science achievement dedicated to support projects to accelerate the mathematics achievement of all secondary students, and especially low-achieving students.
• Accelerating student achievement with Advanced Placement and International Baccalaureate.
• Promoting Scholastic Achievement with State Scholars.


These all should be the responsibility of the people and/or the state.



• Nuclear Power is abundant and affordable, clean, and safe.


This is actually true. The newer technologies such as pebble bed reactors are very safe and are designed not melt-down. With breeder reactors, you can recycle nuclear waste into more usable fuel. The waste products also break down faster so containment isn't as much of a problem.

The other technology that, in my opinion, is actually the best is thorium based reactors. Thorium is far more abundant than uranium, and less dangerous. A thorium reactor requires a neutron pump in order to get a reaction going, so it can't melt down anyway. Plus, the waste products of thorium have a much shorter half-life. There is about a 10,000 year supply of thorium for our current power output levels.

And if you still think nuclear is unsafe, France has around 70% of it's power produced by nuclear. Another interesting fact, coal plants release more radioactive materials into the atmosphere than nuclear power generates, especially if you use breeder reactors and thorium.

Now, I think it is fine for a president to support initiatives, But I don't agree with taxpayer's dollars going into subsidies.



• President Bush is encouraging the research and development of Clean-Coal technologies, which is by far America’s most abundant and affordable energy resource.


Actually, thorium is. But the point is we should wean ourselves from fossil fuels, period. You'll never get coal 100% clean. There will always be pollution. And then there is the environmental impact from the mining operations, which often leads to all sorts of nasty chemicals getting spread around.

The government shouldn't subsidizing it at any rate.



• President Bush's FY2007 budget proposed $44 million in funding for wind energy research and other alternative and renewable resources.


Why is the government subsidizing these industries? I realize that's hardly any money to the government, but we shouldn't have the government giving handouts to companies.

As you can see, I only came to the republican party to vote for Ron Paul. Normally, I'm a libertarian. :)

~X~

[DealzOnWheelz]

We can take over this is the beginning and it will not end.

[LibertyRevolution]

I fallow Dr. Paul for the restoration of my rights and the limiting of government. The GOP is against these goals. Screw the GOP, I have no interest in helping save their party. All they have done is screwed us. Im out of the GOP and back to the LP, Good Luck saving your party.

[DealzOnWheelz]

It's not about saving "THEIR PARTY" IT's about TAKING OUR PARTY BACK FROM THE LIBERAL NEOCON SLIME THAT STOLE IT

[ronpaulyourmom]

I'm not going to affiliate with a party, my state allows me not to and I wont be. I'll check out candidates from many parties and decide from there.