A Message from Ron - No 3P Run, we will continue the fight..

[nullvalu]

February 8, 2008

Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well.

Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.

I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.

In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.

Sincerely,

Ron

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

:(:(:(

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.

[polexi]

:(:(:(

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.


Good, get out of here. We'll continue the revolution.

[virginiakid]

Personally, I think RP is making the right choice. In Congress in where laws are made. RP has a lot more influence than he use to, so that is good. We are in a revolution meaning that if played right we can take over the party and get rid of all the dead weights in the party if the party doesn't fall apart first.

[ocomys]

Where the heck is this from ?

edit: nevermind sorry just got in in my in-box

[nullvalu]

:(:(:(

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.

Great, I'm more uplifted than ever!! I am willing to fight on. Who will join the loser above? This is election is only one battle. Who will continue the war with me?

[ambiguousscion]

:(:(:(

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.

We'll see you when it's sunny and warm again.

[colecrowe]

No. No. God why?

[Richie]

:(:(:(

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.

See you next week.

[nullvalu]

We'll see you when it's sunny and warm again.

No doubt.

[robmpreston]

yeah where is this from?

[Liberty_is_NORML]

Source, please.

There is nothing like this on the official site.

[nullvalu]

Personally, I think RP is making the right choice. In Congress in where laws are made. RP has a lot more influence than he use to, so that is good. We are in a revolution meaning that if played right we can take over the party and get rid of all the dead weights in the party if the party doesn't fall apart first.

With this grassroots, the fakes in office will have to cut off their own ears to not hear us in the next Congress!

[Teflon Master]

Good. I didn't want Ron to give up his Congressional seat. I would rather him not be President and be the lone voice of truth in our government than run for President and potentially lose it.

Go Ron!

[robmpreston]

Nullvalu: Where Is This From?

[transistor]

i got the email also. really quite sad. i wish there was more we could do...

well, it was fun while it lasted...

[kylejack]

Source, please.

There is nothing like this on the official site.
It was e-mailed to everyone who is subscribed on the site. I can confirm it.

[nullvalu]

Got it in email, the same as I get all other Campaign emails.

[hayeksrevenge]

:(:(:(

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.

Just another fair-weather friend?

[kyleAF]

Great, I'm more uplifted than ever!! I am willing to fight on. Who will join the loser above? This is election is only one battle. Who will continue the war with me?

This election isn't even over yet... TX still has to report soon...

It's not the national campaign that runs things. It's us. "All politics is local".

I'm in.

[stevenstremciuc]

Source, please.

There is nothing like this on the official site.

Check your email. I got it in my email from the Ron Paul campaign also. Of course not everyone will receive the email at the exact same moment. But it's legit. Should show up on the website before long.

[cien750hp]

he said no third party.
he did not say no independent run
remember he has said before he hates how the republican party now treats him and his supporters
and he even stated there "he owes us so much"
i dont think he feels much party loyalty to the current republican party, since they have been taken over
i think he knows he started a revolution, and he intends to finish it however he needs to

maybe im reading into it too much, but he is not the kind of guy to ever give up.

[colecrowe]

Just wait until March 4th:

Go to www.RonPaulWhitehouse.com (http://www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com/) and pledge to show your support for the most amazing statesman this country will have had for who knows how long (JUST IN CASE).

BUT

I admit, and am happy to do so: There is no reason to think we need to go iNDY until we see what happens between now and March 4th. He MIGHT start stomping McCain based on low voter turnout due to apathy since the media has 110% called it for McCain, and based on how horrible a choice McCain is and how much he is getting lambasted in on the air and in print, and at the 'watercooler'. Especially as Iraq of course continues blowing up and the economy gets worse. Here is my proof:

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But after March 4th...


I'm out if in a month's time he continues to win 0 states and still has less than 15% support and yet refuses to go iNDY (I'll still write him in and spread the word, make calls, etc., but I probably won't donate anymore, and I'll be very sad).


Well, I can safely say...if donations dry up....Paul will be forced to call it quits, so please continue to DONATE.

http://www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com/

my dad said he'd donate another 500 to Paul (IF he announces 3rd party) (he donated 200 on Dec. 16th--but that was when it seemed like he REALLY could maybe, possibly win the Nom. I would donate 500 the day he declares (even though it will hurt financially), whereas I can't afford to give anymore (I gave just over a 1,100 in Q4 to the cause--so shut up) for his Republican run; and gramps would probably wager another 1776.00

The 2nd and 3rd tier, broader-base of supporters aren't (many or most of them) going to donate MORE--if they already have once--because TO THEM it is obvious or at least nearly certain that he's not going to get the Nom from the Republican party (I'm not saying I believe that--but they DO). However, they would be very willing and enthusiastic about supporting him in an iNDEPENDENT run. Primary Calendar: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/calendar.asp (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/calendar.asp)

Month

Date
Feb.

9

Kansas Republican caucus
Louisiana


12
District of Columbia
Maryland
Virginia


19
Washington
Wisconsin

March

4
Ohio
Rhode Island
Texas
Vermont


11
Mississippi
April

22

Pennsylvania
May

6
Indiana
North Carolina

13
Nebraska
West Virginia primary

20
Kentucky
Oregon

27
Idaho Republican primary
June

3
Montana primary
New Mexico Republican primary
South Dakota
August

Aug. 25-28
Democratic National Convention — Denver, CO
September

Sept. 1-4
Republican National Convention — Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN

[Jae0]

This election isn't even over yet... TX still has to report soon...

It's not the national campaign that runs things. It's us. "All politics is local".

I'm in.

Word. indiana isnt till May. I've got a lot of work to do.

[N13]

Be in it for the long haul.

Nothing good comes easy. This struggle ends only when we have won.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

February 8, 2008I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.

In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.

Sincerely,

Ron

http://www.ronpaulforcongress.com/

[nate895]

This means that we need to start the next campaign pretty soon, that is if we can't start picking up delegates for Ron Paul, enough for a brokered convention. If we don't win Washington tomorrow, we need to start focusing on next time since it looks like he won't run. God, I hope he flip-flops this once.

[Paulitics08]

There's always Wayne Allan Root!

[nullvalu]

This election isn't even over yet... TX still has to report soon...

It's not the national campaign that runs things. It's us. "All politics is local".

I'm in.

I'm not saying it's all over, I'm just not all that affected by the news.

[ItsTime]

get the blimp in Tx now!!!

[colecrowe]

He needs to run iNDY because he can easily win and we can take this country back and reject war and debt. He could raise 100 million if he went iNDY, and a million supporters would rise up and do anything to get him elected--if Ross Perot almost did it--think how possible it is for us to do it!

[Archie]

Yep The Fight is gonna continue for freedom and liberty and there is no reason why people should be bummed out yes the short term goal may be hard to accomplish but the longterm goal is with in reach .. As A Canadian I want to Thank all you guys for fighting for the Freedom Cause and only pray and hope that all you fine people stick togather and triple your numbers in the future . MY canadian 2 cents is TO STICK TOGATHER dont let this forum dis-band and dont get all panzy about giving up all hope this Battle is Just about to Take off in a Very positive way ...


Great work guys and Im gonna drink a good ole Beer for you Guys in Canuckistan

[RonRules]

Changing the Republican party won't be easy, but let's face it, an Independent/Liberterian run is nearly hopeless.

Where's that billionaire when you need him!

[Cowlesy]

I started focusing on local U.S. Congress runs a while ago. This movement is JUST beginning. Ron leads the way!

www.joinsanders.com

[Sey.Naci]

Suspect his plans are to take back the GOP. That's his way of not giving up, not to run away and abandon it. And he'll need all the grassroots RP people with him to help. Sounds like there's something else in the wind too, once the convention is over.

[Jae0]

He needs to run iNDY because he can easily win and we can take this country back and reject war and debt. He could raise 100 million if he went iNDY, and a million supporters would rise up and do anything to get him elected--if Ross Perot almost did it--think how possible it is for us to do it!

I'd have no problem with an indy run after the prumarys.

[virginiakid]

Suspect his plans are to take back the GOP. That's his way of not giving up, not to run away and abandon it. And he'll need all the grassroots RP people with him to help. Sounds like there's something else in the wind too, once the convention is over.

I think that was his intentions all along. That is my goal in my local GOP.

[colecrowe]

I'd have no problem with an indy run after the prumarys.

I think that by March 4th it will probably be very clear. Wait too much longer after that, and it's way too late.

If he starts in March, runs infomercials, and we do a 25 million dollar Independence Day money bomb, and get 200,000 precinct captains, we could easily win it (especially if it's Hillary and McCain).

[Bacon]

Damn.. so basically Ron is telling us our chance to win the Repiublican nominee and ultimately become the POTUS is silm to none? I'll stay and fight til the end and NO MATTER WHAT, I WILL be voting for Ron Paul in November! If I didn't, then I would consider this whole past year a waste.

[ItsTime]

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[colecrowe]

Everyone in favor of the iNDY run if it becomes obvious (after March 4th) that he won't get the Nomination, please send him a note on the contact page of the website and a pledge to donate and get signatures and canvass for him!

[nullvalu]

I'd have no problem with an indy run after the prumarys.

"Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican."

There will be no 3rd party run.... I'm still going to canvass the hell out of my precinct here in Indiana for RP. And for myself, I'm running for Precinct Committeeman here in a tight precinct.

[Cowlesy]

Let's change the Congress.

Seat by Seat.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

http://www.writeinron08.com/

Someone get on it....

[virginiakid]

In most cases you can take over the party with as little as 5 people, sometimes you will need more just depends on how active the party members are. Get people in the GOP and keep them active and over time you will take it over. My plan is to unseat all the dead weight GOP officials (The crooks, and etc....)

[ItsTime]

I have been saying this for a few months now... THIS IS THE ONLY peaceful WAY TO GO.


Let's change the Congress.

Seat by Seat.

[Teflon Master]

Again, if Ron does not make it, I will encourage him NOT to run 3rd party for President. Glad to see Ron came to that conclusion himself. We need to take over the government from the bottom up, not the top down.

[RonPaulwillWin]

I'm not sure what to make of this letter....all I know is that I'm pissed. FUCK Obama, he's the medias fake Ron Paul....antiwar, 'change', young people, internet, money bombs. FUCK the media.

[nullvalu]

Absolutely, this is how the revolution continues. We take over the GOP. This is what Ron Paul wants, noone can argue this anymore after this email.

[nullvalu]

I'm not sure what to make of this letter....all I know is that I'm pissed. FUCK Obama, he's the medias fake Ron Paul....antiwar, 'change', young people, internet, money bombs. FUCK the media.

Yep, fuck em. Vote Ron Paul and keep up the fight.

[inibo]

Good. I didn't want Ron to give up his Congressional seat. I would rather him not be President and be the lone voice of truth in our government than run for President and potentially lose it.

Go Ron!

Except he won't be the lone voice if we are as enthusiastic about and generous with the Ron Paul Revolutionaries who are starting to run for congress. I think we all hoped and dreamed it would all happen this year, but it's going to be a long hard slog. Time to man up and keep pressing on. Let it not be said that we did nothing.

[Teflon Master]

Except he won't be the lone voice if we are as enthusiastic about and generous with the Ron Paul Revolutionaries who are starting to run for congress. I think we all hoped and dreamed it would all happen this year, but it's going to be a long hard slog. Time to man up and keep pressing on. Let it not be said that we did nothing.

Thank you for reiterating everything I have said in this thread.

[kyleAF]

I'm not saying it's all over, I'm just not all that affected by the news.

I realize that. That's just my 2 cents.

[Harbinger]

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THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.
Whether the independence of the continent was declared too soon, or delayed too long, I will not now enter into as an argument; my own simple opinion is, that had it been eight months earlier, it would have been much better. We did not make a proper use of last winter, neither could we, while we were in a dependent state. However, the fault, if it were one, was all our own; we have none to blame but ourselves. But no great deal is lost yet. All that Howe has been doing for this month past, is rather a ravage than a conquest, which the spirit of the Jerseys, a year ago, would have quickly repulsed, and which time and a little resolution will soon recover.

I have as little superstition in me as any man living, but my secret opinion has ever been, and still is, that God Almighty will not give up a people to military destruction, or leave them unsupportedly to perish, who have so earnestly and so repeatedly sought to avoid the calamities of war, by every decent method which wisdom could invent. Neither have I so much of the infidel in me, as to suppose that He has relinquished the government of the world, and given us up to the care of devils; and as I do not, I cannot see on what grounds the king of Britain can look up to heaven for help against us: a common murderer, a highwayman, or a house-breaker, has as good a pretence as he.

'Tis surprising to see how rapidly a panic will sometimes run through a country. All nations and ages have been subject to them. Britain has trembled like an ague at the report of a French fleet of flat-bottomed boats; and in the fourteenth [fifteenth] century the whole English army, after ravaging the kingdom of France, was driven back like men petrified with fear; and this brave exploit was performed by a few broken forces collected and headed by a woman, Joan of Arc. Would that heaven might inspire some Jersey maid to spirit up her countrymen, and save her fair fellow sufferers from ravage and ravishment! Yet panics, in some cases, have their uses; they produce as much good as hurt. Their duration is always short; the mind soon grows through them, and acquires a firmer habit than before. But their peculiar advantage is, that they are the touchstones of sincerity and hypocrisy, and bring things and men to light, which might otherwise have lain forever undiscovered. In fact, they have the same effect on secret traitors, which an imaginary apparition would have upon a private murderer. They sift out the hidden thoughts of man, and hold them up in public to the world. Many a disguised Tory has lately shown his head, that shall penitentially solemnize with curses the day on which Howe arrived upon the Delaware.

...

-Thomas Pain
The Crisis
December 23, 1776

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[virginiakid]

Yes, it is at the City/County level, the state level, and the federal level. Seriously, what good would it be being POTUS if you do not have a congress that is polar opposite of you and would fight you tooth and nail?

[amy31416]

Again, if Ron does not make it, I will encourage him NOT to run 3rd party for President. Glad to see Ron came to that conclusion himself. We need to take over the government from the bottom up, not the top down.

I've made the same comment myself. This is truly just the beginning. We are now more aware than we ever have been and know what we need to do.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

I expected this to come, but the timing is piss poor. Just what the Washington, Kansas, and Louisiana people wanted to hear :rolleyes:
Then again, timing isn't the hallmark of this campaign

[colecrowe]

We must convince him to RUN FOR PRESIDENT! No more war!--no more debt! My brother and brother-in-law and myself and all my buddies are going to have to keep fighting this illegal, horrible war! Please Mr. Paul, run and fight for the country--not just your party!

[angelatc]

Great, I'm more uplifted than ever!! I am willing to fight on. Who will join the loser above? This is election is only one battle. Who will continue the war with me?

I am lucky, but we have met a skilled political organizer through Ron Paul. He's got us signed up to be GOP precinct captains locally.

Some of the active folks here are meeting over the weekend to decide how to proceed next.'

Sadly, we're going to lose quite a few people to life. College, work,....eventually the mundane will set in again. (Apparently the guy above went straight there!)

I think a lot of people had trouble hanging on through the primary season...not realizing that politics has a long season.

But some of us will go on to make a difference.

And we'll always have Paris....or Britney. :)

[Minuteman2008]

If we really want to take over the GOP, then McCain must lose to the Democrats so the party can have time to examine what it should be about. Only a McCain loss can move the GOP back to a conservative platform. If McCain wins the party will continue to move in the opposite direction that we want.

There might even be a movement started to keep McCain out of the white house. I don't mean actual support for Democrats but mainly just a movement that tells the GOP it is time to start over.

I think Paul could have helped this happen with a third party run, but oh well.

[billjarrett]

I started a thread awhile back discussing how to get local at

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=112407

[slantedview]

i WILL NOT GIVE UP, EVER!

anyone who gives up prematurely was never truly with the cause to begin with.

all i have to say is look at how obama won his senate seat. 2 weeks before the election the stage was set for him to be demolished, then something unpredictable happened.

anything can happen. i will be in it till the end.

[polexi]

I'm sad, but far from giving up. BRING ON THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION

[colecrowe]

If we really want to take over the GOP, then McCain must lose to the Democrats so the party can have time to examine what it should be about. Only a McCain loss can move the GOP back to a conservative platform. If McCain wins the party will continue to move in the opposite direction that we want.

There might even be a movement started to keep McCain out of the white house. I don't mean actual support for Democrats but mainly just a movement that tells the GOP it is time to start over.

I think Paul could have helped this happen with a third party run, but oh well.

Or, instead of just Hillary beating McCain, Ron Paul could beat McCain as an iNDY! i think that would be even better. But I think about 60% of the people here would disagree with me. Their god is the GOP, Ron Paul or Country be damned.

[Liberty_is_NORML]

Check your email. I got it in my email from the Ron Paul campaign also. Of course not everyone will receive the email at the exact same moment. But it's legit. Should show up on the website before long.

Yeah, I got it.

It must be really true because this is the first e-mail that hasn't asked for a donation.

Sad.

[Sey.Naci]

Don't forget to support his campaign to retain his Congressional seat! Donate (http://www.ronpaulforcongress.com/)!

[kill the banks]

it's always been clear to me the key is a GOP takeover ~ united ron paul republicans

kill the banks

[dblee]

Let me spell it out for you:

He said little chance of a BROKERED CONVENTION


Why is everyone acting like it's over??? We still have the sublime pleasure of making John McCain's candidacy become the 6th plane he's gone down in flames in.


Let me be clear. The situation has totally changed With Romney out, there is little chance of a brokered convention, true. However, we still have a chance to win a lot of states and send a ROARING message to the establishment. We have a great chance at picking up Romney's supporters and many of them are already coming over. We can also finally use voter apathy to our advantage as the MSM has already crowned McCain the nominee.

It does sound like Ron is discouraged, however, donations have sort of dried up. LETS GIVE HIM A WIN IN WASHINGTON AND A HUGE MONEYBOMB TO RAISE HIS SPIRITS

Lets let our man know we're with him wherever and whenever.

So maybe he needs to divert some attention to his congressional campaign. He deserves that.

Remember one thing though. This has, and always will be a grassroots revolution. In the spirit of liberty and freedom, we must take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. This means it's not up to Ron Paul, the official campaign, the guy down the street, or anyone else.

IT'S UP TO YOU.






































YEAH, YOU.

[RonRules]

Concentrate all efforts on congressional runs for as many candidates as possible.

Help Ron Paul win his Texas seat, vote for him for President in the remaining states, write him in on the general elections, and support other Ron Paul Republicans guys like:

http://www.flytoliberty.com/

Vote for Ron. It would be nice to have over 10% and over 100 delegates at the convention. Who knows where McCain will be when we and the Democrats start throwing around the dirt.

[rockandrollsouls]

I don't know what to make of this...does that mean if he doesn't get the nomination he's going to discontinue all efforts? Not even an indy attempt? The tone of this letter almost makes it sound like he has lost hopes of winning the nomination. I'm still fighting onward, but man....it's going to be tough times ahead. Here's to hope and commitment. Anything can happen.

[affa]

Hey - some positive spin here - He just stated his LOYALTY to the Republican party.

This may get some people to take a second look at him.

[billjarrett]

I don't know what to make of this...does that mean if he doesn't get the nomination he's going to discontinue all efforts? Not even an indy attempt? The tone of this letter almost makes it sound like he has lost hopes of winning the nomination. I'm still fighting onward, but man....it's going to be tough times ahead. Here's to hope and commitment. Anything can happen.

Agreed.. What I read into it was basically he's staying in for the sake of staying in and going to focus on his congressional seat... but wants us to drive on with the message - which we need to do.

[Jim_Karr]

It's not over yet. McCain could have a heart attack. Anything is possible. For the good of our country who wants to jump out of the bush and yell BOO! to him? Anyone know any black magic or voodoo shit?

[JimInNY]

Personally, I think RP is making the right choice. In Congress in where laws are made. RP has a lot more influence than he use to, so that is good. We are in a revolution meaning that if played right we can take over the party and get rid of all the dead weights in the party if the party doesn't fall apart first.

Help keep the r3volution alive: http://newr3volution.com/

[SophisticatedFarmGirl]

I'm very proud of all and will continue the fight. This was an uplifting letter to me. He's not turning tail, but staying in the race for principle and to bring more people into the light. I will support him, always.

[wgadget]

I started focusing on local U.S. Congress runs a while ago. This movement is JUST beginning. Ron leads the way!

www.joinsanders.com

Even Rush today was saying the time is ripe for getting good Congressmen in office. That that's the only way to make real change. Of course, he was only talking about conservatives, not Ron Paul conservatives.

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

From the bottom of my heart...

This man has been nothing short of a blessing. If ever there was a role model to model yourself after, to strive to be, it's him. Ron Paul has taught me how to be a good person. He has taught me how to conduct myself. I've learned how to respect other individuals, their properties and more importantly... to care.

You guys and girls are all brilliant people. It's you that make me so proud to be an American. You are the ones that allow me to be so optimistic about the future.

You ARE the future.

I will forever be there for any Ron Paul supporter, anytime, anywhere.

A Ron Paul supporter is a brother or sister to me.

A Ron Paul supporter will never have any less than what I have... whether I have it or not.

You want the hand, forever I will give the arm.

I am so proud right now.

[nullvalu]

Or, instead of just Hillary beating McCain, Ron Paul could beat McCain as an iNDY! i think that would be even better. But I think about 60% of the people here would disagree with me. Their god is the GOP, Ron Paul or Country be damned.

While I would have supported a 3rd party run, I understand what Ron Paul is doing. The GOP is only a vehicle to attain our goals. Nothing more.

[kyleAF]

If we really want to take over the GOP, then McCain must lose to the Democrats so the party can have time to examine what it should be about. Only a McCain loss can move the GOP back to a conservative platform. If McCain wins the party will continue to move in the opposite direction that we want.

There might even be a movement started to keep McCain out of the white house. I don't mean actual support for Democrats but mainly just a movement that tells the GOP it is time to start over.

I think Paul could have helped this happen with a third party run, but oh well.

Yes. This is important. Remember: "All politics is local". We have to move on McCain big time. Run negative ads if need be. The GOP will vote the party if McCain gets the nod. WE know that there's no real difference between Hillary / Obama / McCain. WE can help ensure that the GOP begins to see this.

That's our job. Then we take it over from the ground up.
"All politics is local" <---that's the hallmark of this campaign...grassroots!

Of course, in the process, we continue to move Dr. Paul closer to the nomination. I disagree with his assessment of Romney's dropout. Between the general McCain backlash and the resurgence of Huckabee in the south, I don't see McCain as easily taking the nomination AT ALL!

The true death blow would be a VP bid by Romney or Huckabee. Until then, not much has changed IMO....

....that said---and I hate to bring this up---any tin foilers out there who think someone may have "suggested" to Dr. Paul and family that he do something like this?

[Bruno]

has anyone verified this yet? What is the source? It seems he would have placed this for release on his ronpaul2008.com?

[virginiakid]

Hey there, maybe it is time to put this thread to sleep and concentrate on the rest of the Presidential run and the congressional runs for office. Just my two cents.

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[miwg]

I'm very proud of all and will continue the fight. This was an uplifting letter to me. He's not turning tail, but staying in the race for principle and to bring more people into the light. I will support him, always.

100% agree.

[PaleoForPaul]

If paul doesn't run third party, someone else will. With McCain as the nominee there is a gaping hole to the right of him.

I doubt it would be buchanan, but buchanan would make the most sense...

[Shii]

has anyone verified this yet? What is the source? It seems he would have placed this for release on his ronpaul2008.com?

If you didn't get it in an e-mail you aren't on RP's list.

Look... this is the most sensible thing he could do... losing his Congressional seat would end the revolution before it even started.

[yongrel]

I dunno about y'all, but I'm incredibly motivated by this email. It makes me feel sure that Ron Paul is dedicated to this movement. He clearly wants this to blossom into something far greater than himself. I am thrilled to be a part of it with him and all of you.

I will keep fighting for liberty til my last breath. I'm hoping you'll all join me.

[nate895]

If we don't win WA tomorrow, I say all hope is lost, and we should begin thinking about the next race in 2012. See my Plan D (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=107756) thread in hot topics.

[Redcard]

I think it says that his over all goal was exactly what he will get.

[QCB79]

I'm very proud of all and will continue the fight. This was an uplifting letter to me. He's not turning tail, but staying in the race for principle and to bring more people into the light. I will support him, always.

+1

[Jim_Karr]

What about the vote fraud and the eletronic voting? How about the media who controlled this election? What are we to do about them? I think it is time to start a Ron Paul militia in this country. We could be bigger than NRA and GOA members are most likely Ron Paul supporters.
This is the time to get organized. Ron Paul brought us together for a reason. I think this is our calling people. It is time to get organized.

[FreedomFighter8008]

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Hell yeah! And here's another bit of data for you:

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/08/blogging-cpac-ron-paul-on-presidential-steroids/

The Revolution Lives!!!

[Archie]

From the bottom of my heart...

This man has been nothing short of a blessing. If ever there was a role model to model yourself after, to strive to be, it's him. Ron Paul has taught me how to be a good person. He has taught me how to conduct myself. I've learned how to respect other individuals, their properties and more importantly... to care.

You guys and girls are all brilliant people. It's you that make me so proud to be an American. You are the ones that allow me to be so optimistic about the future.

You ARE the future.

I will forever be there for any Ron Paul supporter, anytime, anywhere.

A Ron Paul supporter is a brother or sister to me.

A Ron Paul supporter will never have any less than what I have... whether I have it or not.

You want the hand, forever I will give the arm.

I am so proud right now.

I too feel the exact same way And I ain't Even an AMERICAN LOL!!!!!! MYself and Other Canadians who crave the freedom message are so Proud of ALL you Awesome People..


STICK TOGATHER AND NEXT TIME YOU WILL HAVE TRIPLE THE SUPPORT TRIPLE THE MONEY AND TRIPLE THE STRENGH IN FIGHTING FOR CONGRESS AND 2012 ...

[beachmaster]

So if he's Republican to the core, does that mean he'll end up endorsing McCain if he's the nominee? God say it ain't so!

[virginiakid]

Just got the email myself. Guys lets put this to rest and build a strategy for the other states in th primary and congressional seats. Please put this aside now.

We need to continue to build the grassroots and keep in tact our precinct leaders.

[nullvalu]

What about the vote fraud and the eletronic voting? How about the media who controlled this election? What are we to do about them? I think it is time to start a Ron Paul militia in this country. We could be bigger than NRA and GOA members are most likely Ron Paul supporters.
This is the time to get organized. Ron Paul brought us together for a reason. I think this is our calling people. It is time to get organized.

Absolutely, don't back down on any fronts.

[billjarrett]

Another thought...

Could this be more rope-a-dope?

[dblee]

Yes. This is important. Remember: "All politics is local". We have to move on McCain big time. Run negative ads if need be. The GOP will vote the party if McCain gets the nod. WE know that there's no real difference between Hillary / Obama / McCain. WE can help ensure that the GOP begins to see this.

That's our job. Then we take it over from the ground up.
"All politics is local" <---that's the hallmark of this campaign...grassroots!

Of course, in the process, we continue to move Dr. Paul closer to the nomination. I disagree with his assessment of Romney's dropout. Between the general McCain backlash and the resurgence of Huckabee in the south, I don't see McCain as easily taking the nomination AT ALL!

The true death blow would be a VP bid by Romney or Huckabee. Until then, not much has changed IMO....

....that said---and I hate to bring this up---any tin foilers out there who think someone may have "suggested" to Dr. Paul and family that he do something like this?

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING... QFT +100000000


except the tinfoil bit.

[MsDoodahs]

Great, I'm more uplifted than ever!! I am willing to fight on. Who will join the loser above? This is election is only one battle. Who will continue the war with me?

:) I was in this fight long before Ron decided to make the run and I'll be in this fight long after.

Glad to know you, nullvalu.

[Cowlesy]

Romney is expecting a disaster in 2008 (McCain will NEVER win) and coming back as the White Knight in 2012.

[dblee]

oh BTW huck would alienate a lot of his support by getting on the same ticket as mccain

[Redcard]

This has NEVER been about the man, always about the message. Don't ruin it by making it about the man.

[nullvalu]

So if he's Republican to the core, does that mean he'll end up endorsing McCain if he's the nominee? God say it ain't so!

No. Way. He didn't vote for Bush in '04. ;)

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[tpreitzel]

Ron's just being realistic as he needs to retain his congressional seat IF his run for the GOP nomination doesn't successfully materialize. Hopefully, most of the fair weather supporters will leave and it's about time. We have much work to do for his run for POTUS yet. Personally, I don't care if Ron's chance of a brokered convention is nearly zero or not, because I'm the type of supporter who will work ardently for his selection as the GOP nominee until the Fat Lady sings in Minneapolis in September. ;) After September, we have just as important work, i.e. working toward selecting and electing congressional candidates, as we do now.

[Revolutn]

:( what a sad sad evening.

I can hardly believe it, but it's true, and I can't believe I'm posting it, but I'm on the verge of tears.


I personally worked so hard for this campaign.

The grassroots faithful worked so hard.
We worked our fingers to the bone.
We gave so deeply of our personal financial resources....that to come home and read what amounts to a resignation / concession / dropping out message from Ron himself just makes me want to cry.

All this effort and what did we get for it?
I never heard nor saw one ad.

I've been in the liberty fight for over a decade so I'm not giving up overall but this is our darkest hour.....our ray of hope is winking out of existence and the nWo tag team of McCain Clinton have taken the place of false choice that was Kerry Bush in 2004.

So I will carry on, but I confess I will need a night or a day or two lick my wounds and lament the opportunity that's been lost.

I am just heartbroken.

See you all in a few days....hopefully most of you won't fall off the face of the earth completely as well.

The biggest challenge confronting true Patriots has always been organizing and Ron has united us and brought us together for the first time in a helluva long time......so don't just walk away forever....

Rev

[robert4rp08]

The fight is not over. I'm still determined to get to the RNC to show the neocons what they're in for in the future.

[grizzums]

Hey - some positive spin here - He just stated his LOYALTY to the Republican party.

This may get some people to take a second look at him.

Loyalty to the Republican Party at the expense of the country...??? I know no greater Patriot alive today than Ron Paul....but I don't know what to think right now...I honestly feel let down and a bit angry. My caucus in Washington is tomorrow...was pumped...but now...:rolleyes: I need to just get some damn rest, PHUK!!!! I have had trouble sleeping for many weeks now...I'm gonna sleep well tonight...right after a few glasses of Chivas.

Maybe in the morning after some good sleep my perspective will change.

[familydog]

Romney is expecting a disaster in 2008 (McCain will NEVER win) and coming back as the White Knight in 2012.

Right wing talk radio's wet dream right there. Ann Coulter was on C-Span today gushing all over about Romney.

In any case, this letter changes nothing for me. I will keep up the good fight.

[virginiakid]

No. Way. He didn't vote for Bush in '04. ;)

Neither did I. I did a write in vote(voted for a real person, I never vote for a dead person or some fictitious person or charactor) and also voted Constitution party.

[amy31416]

So if he's Republican to the core, does that mean he'll end up endorsing McCain if he's the nominee? God say it ain't so!

Um, wha?

Of COURSE not!

He's Republican to the core, which means he would NEVER endorse someone like McCain--Ron Paul has principles!

[nate895]

2012 people, somebody want to run?

[kyleAF]

Just got the email myself. Guys lets put this to rest and build a strategy for the other states in th primary and congressional seats. Please put this aside now.

We need to continue to build the grassroots and keep in tact our precinct leaders.

I'll be canvassing in Texas tomorrow. For now I'll be reading these threads. Thank you.

[nullvalu]

:( what a sad sad evening.

I can hardly believe it, but it's true, and I can't believe I'm posting it, but I'm on the verge of tears.


I personally worked so hard for this campaign.

The grassroots faithful worked so hard.
We worked our fingers to the bone.
We gave so deeply of our personal financial resources....that to come home and read what amounts to a resignation / concession / dropping out message from Ron himself just makes me want to cry.

All this effort and what did we get for it?
I never heard nor saw one ad.

I've been in the liberty fight for over a decade so I'm not giving up overall but this is our darkest hour.....our ray of hope is winking out of existence and the nWo tag team of McCain Clinton have taken the place of false choice that was Kerry Bush in 2004.

So I will carry on, but I confess I will need a night or a day or two lick my wounds and lament the opportunity that's been lost.

I am just heartbroken.

See you all in a few days....hopefully most of you won't fall off the face of the earth completely as well.

The biggest challenge confronting true Patriots has always been organizing and Ron has united us and brought us together for the first time in a helluva long time......so don't just walk away forever....

Rev

I heard plenty of ads in Illinois. But that's not the point.. I know you'll be back and Ron Paul has been more successful than he ever dreamed. Just remember that. We're assembled as an army, our enemy is tyranny, and we won't back down.

[LibertyEagle]

Damn.. so basically Ron is telling us our chance to win the Repiublican nominee and ultimately become the POTUS is silm to none? I'll stay and fight til the end and NO MATTER WHAT, I WILL be voting for Ron Paul in November! If I didn't, then I would consider this whole past year a waste.

When you fight for what you believe in, it is NEVER a waste.

[miwg]

Dan McCarthy posted this on http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates:

"Ron Paul is not going to surrender, and John McCain will not take the Republican nomination without the fight of his life. Your donations and work as Precinct Leaders are needed now more than ever. Thank you all for everything you’ve done so far — the revolution has just begun."

I totally agree, Ron Paul hasn't given up yet. He's just being realistic. Let's not give up no matter what. Let's show McCain a good fight!

[DahuiHeeNalu]

iM IN THIS FIGHT TILL THE DAY I DIE..Thats what Dr.Paul taught me to never give up and we the people must change this!!!

[RlxdN10sity]

:( what a sad sad evening.

I can hardly believe it, but it's true, and I can't believe I'm posting it, but I'm on the verge of tears.


I personally worked so hard for this campaign.

The grassroots faithful worked so hard.
We worked our fingers to the bone.
We gave so deeply of our personal financial resources....that to come home and read what amounts to a resignation / concession / dropping out message from Ron himself just makes me want to cry.

All this effort and what did we get for it?
I never heard nor saw one ad.

I've been in the liberty fight for over a decade so I'm not giving up overall but this is our darkest hour.....our ray of hope is winking out of existence and the nWo tag team of McCain Clinton have taken the place of false choice that was Kerry Bush in 2004.

So I will carry on, but I confess I will need a night or a day or two lick my wounds and lament the opportunity that's been lost.

I am just heartbroken.

See you all in a few days....hopefully most of you won't fall off the face of the earth completely as well.

The biggest challenge confronting true Patriots has always been organizing and Ron has united us and brought us together for the first time in a helluva long time......so don't just walk away forever....

Rev

Its ridiculous that so many people are taking this letter this way. He said we are gonna fight on! He did not say he's dropping out. He just made it clear that there will not be a 3rd party run. He feels Romney dropping out has made a brokered convention less likely but we are going to the convention as long as the support remains for him to do so. That means we have to destroy McCain and win some of the remaining primaries. What the hell is wrong with some you, or is it something wrong with me? Sheesh....

[Thanehand]

What about the vote fraud and the eletronic voting? How about the media who controlled this election? What are we to do about them? I think it is time to start a Ron Paul militia in this country. We could be bigger than NRA and GOA members are most likely Ron Paul supporters.
This is the time to get organized. Ron Paul brought us together for a reason. I think this is our calling people. It is time to get organized.

Regardless of what happens, when it's all over, perhaps the grassroots will begin a lawsuit on behalf of the American people to use the free market to force pain and suffering on the companies that manipulated the election.

[xexkxex]

.....bummer.

[colecrowe]

Hey - some positive spin here - He just stated his LOYALTY to the Republican party.

This may get some people to take a second look at him.


Loyalty to the Republican Party at the expense of the country...??? I know no greater Patriot alive today than Ron Paul....but I don't know what to think right now...I honestly feel let down and a bit angry. My caucus in Washington is tomorrow...was pumped...but now...:rolleyes: I need to just get some damn rest, PHUK!!!! I have had trouble sleeping for many weeks now...I'm gonna sleep well tonight...right after a few glasses of Chivas.

Maybe in the morning after some good sleep my perspective will change.


FUCK loyalty to the goddamned Republican party. I've seen my buddies die and get all fucked up because of the mother fucking Republicans! Hundreds of thousands of us would donate tons and tons and canvass and do anything for him if he just ran iNDY!

Fuck you people who care about the GOP more than the country. End this goddamned fucking war now and restore honor and truth and gov't of the people to our government. We will become a war mongering nazi state if we do not elect Ron Paul


edit:
Umm... you are TOTALLY misreading what I wrote.

I have no loyalty to the GOP. I can't stand the GOP.

I was talking strategy. That he's showing loyalty to garner support for his presidential run in 2008, which he is NOT quitting.

I'm really sorry--that was NOT in any way directed towards you--but only towards the idea of loyalty to the GOP (I see you just mean the appearance of it).

sorry, should have made that clear.

[Rob]

:(:(:(

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.

Hey just stick with us and join the Republican Liberty Caucus. Did you get into this to support the Libertarian Party itself or be a part of the new libertarian movement?

[all J's in IL for RP]

2008, 2010, 2012; It's all about taking back the party. Look for good people to run as State Rep and start making the r3VOLution a reality.

And get all the delegates we can for the convention. With McCain the presumptive nominee, the pressure is off to choose between the lesser of two evils.

[Ixzion]

This has not and will not deter me from voting for Ron in VA.

[Karsten]

FUCK the GOP!!!!!

[beachmaster]

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING... QFT +100000000


except the tinfoil bit.
Yeah I've been wondering if something like this would be how it would go for some time now as well. This thing reads like a solemn concession speech, and as someone else pointed out, no calls for donations.

[kaleidoscope eyes]

:(:(:(

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.
see ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!

This fight goes on... we will instill in our children the principles held dear to our one and only candidate... Ron Paul.

We must heed the clarion call! Keep the Revolution moving people!

[Freemason]

Damn, I will continue to fight but I feel like someone stuck a knife in my heart.

[Redcard]

FUCK loyalty to the goddamned Republican party. I've seen my buddies die and get all fucked up because of the mother fucking Republicans! Hundreds of thousands of us would donate tons and tons and canvass and do anything for him if he just ran iNDY!

Fuck you people who care about the GOP more than the country. End this goddamned fucking war now and restore honor and truth and gov't of the people to our government. We will become a war mongering nazi state if we do not elect Ron Paul

He is a republican.. and he did say that he was NOT going to do 3rd party. It sounds like it would have gotten him tossed from his congressional race.

Look, just come to grips with the fact that he probably never expected to come this far. He's got a good thing started here.

[tpreitzel]

Right wing talk radio's wet dream right there. Ann Coulter was on C-Span today gushing all over about Romney.

In any case, this letter changes nothing for me. I will keep up the good fight.

Right. I simply can not believe the dejected nature of many of these responses. Personally, I think most Americans have had it so easy that they simply cave when the going get rough. Although realism is important, simply work normally in fighting for his nomination. Ron hasn't formally dropped out of the race. He's simply injected his realistic assessment of the possibilities. Wow! Optimism before an e-mail. Despair after an e-mail which even reinforces his commitment to seeking the GOP nomination. Get a grip!

[Free McKilt]

I say we take revenge on the Republican party (and McCain) and ensure that Obama wins. Keep RP in Congress (send him dough). Teach that bastard McCain a damn good lesson. And show the GOP we got muscle and are willing to use against their toady.

Plus the Democrats will completely mismanage the coming depression, they will completely mismanage the war (by trying to manage it instead of ending it), and in 4 years they will beg for Ron Paul and the Revolution (sounds like a rock band) to save their sorry asses.

[dima7b]

Guys he is NOT GIVING UP! This needed to be said and now we can move on with a clear goal...we are not going giving the nomination to McCain without a fight!

I am still voting for him here in Texas and will continue to spread his message and gather votes for him!

[nullvalu]

FUCK loyalty to the goddamned Republican party. I've seen my buddies die and get all fucked up because of the mother fucking Republicans! Hundreds of thousands of us would donate tons and tons and canvass and do anything for him if he just ran iNDY!

Fuck you people who care about the GOP more than the country. End this goddamned fucking war now and restore honor and truth and gov't of the people to our government. We will become a war mongering nazi state if we do not elect Ron Paul

If you thought this fight was against the "Republican Party" and that the "Republican Party" is responsible for the war, what were you doing here in the first place? There is NO DIFFERENCE between the Democrats & Republicans. Haven't you realized this yet?

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Its ridiculous that so many people are taking this letter this way. He said we are gonna fight on! He did not say he's dropping out. He just made it clear that there will not be a 3rd party run. He feels Romney dropping out has made a brokered convention less likely but we are going to the convention as long as the support remains for him to do so. That means we have to destroy McCain and win some of the remaining primaries. What the hell is wrong with some you, or is it something wrong with me? Sheesh....

If the GOP nomination starts to look utterly hopeless and donations continue to dry up, it's going to be hard for even Ron Paul to soldier on in this fight. It feels like a crushing blow to non-Republicans to rule out the third party/independent thing at this point. It's the one spark that might've kept hope alive for a Ron Paul Presidency if McCain soon gets the roughly 1200 delegates needed.

[golf247]

We need to take over the GOP from within. It's time for the counter-coup. However, we cannot lose our voice in Congress because we blindly held out for a GOP nomination or a win as a third party candidate. The chances are slim at this point, but if we keep supporting Dr. Paul in both the Presidential and Congressional races, we will continue to spread the message.

Some of you are getting it...there has been over $4300 donated to the Congressional campaign since I donated at 9:45 PM CST. Way to go!!

[beachmaster]

FUCK loyalty to the goddamned Republican party. I've seen my buddies die and get all fucked up because of the mother fucking Republicans! Hundreds of thousands of us would donate tons and tons and canvass and do anything for him if he just ran iNDY!

Fuck you people who care about the GOP more than the country. End this goddamned fucking war now and restore honor and truth and gov't of the people to our government. We will become a war mongering nazi state if we do not elect Ron Paul

I hear ya. I was all set to work with my fellow local meetup people to take over the local GOP. One of us however decided she would go Libertarian instead.

I'm thinking now I will change my registration and join with the Libertarians myself, and if RP isn't on the ballot come November, I'll vote for the Libertarian guy, whoever the hell that might be.

[ProfNo]

I am not happy about the email. It is realistic, but pretty much an admission of defeat. I wish he would have saved this until after Washington.

I am also unhappy that he said he will not run as an independent. I would have loved to see this, and would have fully supported it.

That being said, I am with Ron tell the end. I have said this before, and I will say it again, I will write him in if I have to.

Choosing Hillary, Obama or McCain is just so obviously more of the same, it just makes me sick.

[Jim_Karr]

No.

No no no. Don't ruin this thing he's started. He's got a number of people moving politically now. [edit for quote]

This has NEVER been about the man, always about the message. Don't ruin it by making it about the man.

Now your saying a militia is not ok with you? Your saying that we have no need for a militia ? No it is not a stupid thing to do. It is an American thing to do. You are wrong and if anyone wants to start a forum for this I will join along with many others. I am actually in a militia here in my state for reasons that people don't understand or want to not accept. I guess you haven't heard about martial law before. The way this country is going we need this. We need people we can trust and count on to survive. There is nothing violence about forming a militia.
IT IS VERY AMERICAN TO DO SO.

[dima7b]

I am not happy about the email. It is realistic, but pretty much an admission of defeat. I wish he would have saved this until after Washington.

I am also unhappy that he said he will not run as an independent. I would have loved to see this, and would have fully supported it.

That being said, I am with Ron tell the end. I have said this before, and I will say it again, I will write him in if I have to.

Choosing Hillary, Obama or McCain is just so obviously more of the same, it just makes me sick.

This isn't defeat...he doesn't mean that.
read this from the campaign blog

Ron Paul is not going to surrender, and John McCain will not take the Republican nomination without the fight of his life. Your donations and work as Precinct Leaders are needed now more than ever. Thank you all for everything you’ve done so far — the revolution has just begun.

[Ex Post Facto]

He isn't quitting yet. He will stay for the meantime to the convention. It just means that he realizes the campaign needs to cut back a bit on spending, to sustain until that time. I actually think this is a plan B.

Do not let the revolution die after this. I for one will be writing in "Ron Paul" in November. The sheep will decide who the next president is. If I have learned anything this election cycle, it's my vote doesn't count, as it's drowned out by sheep.

[amy31416]

FUCK loyalty to the goddamned Republican party. I've seen my buddies die and get all fucked up because of the mother fucking Republicans! Hundreds of thousands of us would donate tons and tons and canvass and do anything for him if he just ran iNDY!

Fuck you people who care about the GOP more than the country. End this goddamned fucking war now and restore honor and truth and gov't of the people to our government. We will become a war mongering nazi state if we do not elect Ron Paul

I am fully willing to devote all my efforts to first ending this war and all hostilities against foreign nations. That is my number one issue.

I do not now, nor will I ever give a rat's ass about the GOP, I have always tried to vote for what is best for this country.

The only other leader in modern day that I can think of who has invaded countries that do not pose a threat is Adolf Hitler. We can NOT allow this country to become a Nazi state, no matter what. He who does not know history is doomed to repeat it.

[colecrowe]

If you thought this fight was against the "Republican Party" and that the "Republican Party" is responsible for the war, what were you doing here in the first place? There is NO DIFFERENCE between the Democrats & Republicans. Haven't you realized this yet?

I am not specifically opposing the Republican party--I am opposing blind loyalty to it and the idea of putting the GOP above the country.

I AM equally opposed to both parties.

I don't see how you didn't understand that my post was protesting the loyalty BS.

[tpreitzel]

This isn't defeat...he doesn't mean that.
read this from the campaign blog

Ron Paul is not going to surrender, and John McCain will not take the Republican nomination without the fight of his life. Your donations and work as Precinct Leaders are needed now more than ever. Thank you all for everything you’ve done so far — the revolution has just begun.

Thank you! In fact, I recommend that EVERY supporter of Ron Paul cut and paste that response as necessary! You can tell that many of the "supporters" on this forum are really young without much staying power. :)

Ron Paul is not going to surrender, and John McCain will not take the Republican nomination without the fight of his life. Your donations and work as Precinct Leaders are needed now more than ever. Thank you all for everything you’ve done so far — the revolution has just begun.

[Ex Post Facto]

Now your saying a militia is not ok with you? Your saying that we have no need for a militia ? No it is not a stupid thing to do. It is an American thing to do. You are wrong and if anyone wants to start a forum for this I will join along with many others. I am actually in a militia here in my state for reasons that people don't understand or want to not accept. I guess you haven't heard about martial law before. The way this country is going we need this. We need people we can trust and count on to survive. There is nothing violence about forming a militia.
IT IS VERY AMERICAN TO DO SO.

I support State militia's. The state is the people's refuge when a federal government becomes tyranical.

[Redcard]

Now your saying a militia is not ok with you? Your saying that we have no need for a militia ? No it is not a stupid thing to do. It is an American thing to do. You are wrong and if anyone wants to start a forum for this I will join along with many others. I am actually in a militia here in my state for reasons that people don't understand or want to not accept. I guess you haven't heard about martial law before. The way this country is going we need this. We need people we can trust and count on to survive. There is nothing violence about forming a militia.
IT IS VERY AMERICAN TO DO SO.

I'd rather you work in the system and not use Ron's name to do something he likely would not agree with.

[familydog]

FUCK loyalty to the goddamned Republican party. I've seen my buddies die and get all fucked up because of the mother fucking Republicans! Hundreds of thousands of us would donate tons and tons and canvass and do anything for him if he just ran iNDY!

Fuck you people who care about the GOP more than the country. End this goddamned fucking war now and restore honor and truth and gov't of the people to our government. We will become a war mongering nazi state if we do not elect Ron Paul

What is your deal? Calm down. Most of us here realize that the best way to spread the message is through the GOP. We tried a go straight to the top, and it may not work out. The grassroots is smarter than the neo-cons. We know we have the power to overtake them and it starts from your local Republican party. Get involved and get active.

[VoteForRonPaul]

Good. I didn't want Ron to give up his Congressional seat. I would rather him not be President and be the lone voice of truth in our government than run for President and potentially lose it.

Go Ron!
He has been in Congress for 10 years and what happened?

[greeksta59]

we need Rand Paul his son to run for president in 2012

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

This isn't defeat...he doesn't mean that.
read this from the campaign blog

Ron Paul is not going to surrender, and John McCain will not take the Republican nomination without the fight of his life. Your donations and work as Precinct Leaders are needed now more than ever. Thank you all for everything you’ve done so far — the revolution has just begun.

I wish he would have put the above in his email.
Quelling the 3rd party rumors was beneficial, but the overall tone of the email was somber.

[rajibo]

FUCK loyalty to the goddamned Republican party. I've seen my buddies die and get all fucked up because of the mother fucking Republicans! Hundreds of thousands of us would donate tons and tons and canvass and do anything for him if he just ran iNDY!

Fuck you people who care about the GOP more than the country. End this goddamned fucking war now and restore honor and truth and gov't of the people to our government. We will become a war mongering nazi state if we do not elect Ron Paul

It's not just the Republicans. We overwhelmingly elected the Democrats to end this senseless war in '06 and they have done NOTHING.

[ShowMeLiberty]

Great, I'm more uplifted than ever!! I am willing to fight on. Who will join the loser above? This is election is only one battle. Who will continue the war with me?

Me! I will continue the fight with you and every other patriot who sticks with us.

I'm disappointed that the brokered convention is not likely anymore, but it doesn't mean there isn't still a chance. With about half the states still to hold primaries or caucuses, there are still a lot of former Romney supporters and former Thompson supporters to recruit.

Even if the White House is not ours this year, we do not stop now. We do not give up for any reason. What we are fighting for is more than the presidency.

We are fighting to restore and retain the very principles upon which this great nation was founded, before it is too late. There is no greater cause than freedom.

"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

[kyleAF]

And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side.

--From the letter.

I've always known that the real fight is an educational one.

"Raise a child in liberty, and they will fight with their last breath so as to die in it."

Raise a child in government-mandated 8 hour prison cells (school), and they'll grow up thinking the nanny state is a great thing.

We don't usually discuss Ron Paul's views on homeschooling and decentralization, but it's important. This is an ideological revolution as much as it is a political one, and schools are the first place to start.

I CAN'T WAIT to see us all rally behind a national initiative to free the kids!! Is it just me, or has Ron Paul raised an army of ardent and well-connected political activists? I'm excited!!

[colecrowe]

It's not just the Republicans. We overwhelmingly elected the Democrats to end this senseless war in '06 and they have done NOTHING.

I am not specifically opposing the Republican party--I am opposing blind loyalty to it and the idea of putting the GOP above the country.

I AM equally opposed to both parties.

I don't see how you didn't understand that my post was protesting the loyalty BS.

[hillertexas]

Thank you! In fact, I recommend that EVERY supporter of Ron Paul cut and paste that response as necessary! You can tell that many of the "supporters" on this forum are really young without much staying power. :)

Ron Paul is not going to surrender, and John McCain will not take the Republican nomination without the fight of his life. Your donations and work as Precinct Leaders are needed now more than ever. Thank you all for everything you’ve done so far — the revolution has just begun.

I'm going to put that in my sig.

[nullvalu]

I am not specifically opposing the Republican party--I am opposing blind loyalty to it and the idea of putting the GOP above the country.

I AM equally opposed to both parties.

I don't see how you didn't understand that my post was protesting the loyalty BS.

Apologies, then. I understand your anger. I am loyal to no party, I pledge allegiance to no party and would never do something so blind. I am loyal to my principles. Please do not be offended that we chose to use the GOP as a means to win this war against tyranny. They stand for NOTHING. WE do. WE are going to take this party and make it our own.

[Enzo]

I also don't give two shits about the GOP or the Republican or Democratic parties.

But, if that's the vehicle we are using.. then so be it.

I will continue to support Ron Paul.. and vote for him here in Texas.

I will also continue to support his Congressional campaign... as well as the campaigns of other Ron Paul "Republicans"


A year ago.. I didn't care about any of this... because I felt that this country was completely doomed to wallow in it's own shit.

Ron Paul, the Revolution, and all of you here have changed that for me.

I'm not gonna turn my back on everything now.

[Redcard]

It's not just the Republicans. We overwhelmingly elected the Democrats to end this senseless war in '06 and they have done NOTHING.

Hey, they tried to pass war funding bills with timelines attached to it.

It got vetoed. It didn't get passed. It wasn't overridden, and not through will of the Democrats.

There's not much we can do when the president vetos a bill and the republicans fail to help.

(Yes, I am a democrat, mostly. For Ron Paul, I'm a .. single candidate republican)

[tpreitzel]

Me! I will continue the fight with you and every other patriot who sticks with us.

I'm disappointed that the brokered convention is not likely anymore, but it doesn't mean there isn't still a chance. With about half the states still to hold primaries or caucuses, there are still a lot of former Romney supporters and former Thompson supporters to recruit.

Even if the White House is not ours this year, we do not stop now. We do not give up for any reason. What we are fighting for is more than the presidency.

We are fighting to restore and retain the very principles upon which this great nation was founded, before it is too late. There is no greater cause than freedom.

"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

Very good! Indeed, we fight on!

[colecrowe]

Apologies, then. I understand your anger. I am loyal to no party, I pledge allegiance to no party and would never do something so blind. I am loyal to my principles. Please do not be offended that we chose to use the GOP as a means to win this war against tyranny. They stand for NOTHING. WE do. WE are going to take this party and make it our own.

Thanks. I wasn't offended. I just hope he runs iNDY if nothing changes between now and March 4th.

[fedup100]

I'm not sure what to make of this letter....all I know is that I'm pissed. FUCK Obama, he's the medias fake Ron Paul....antiwar, 'change', young people, internet, money bombs. FUCK the media.

Yeah Obama is for "change", he has never said what the change will be. The change they are gonna see is no borders no country, a muslim in the white house and amerika will be the new south africa lite.

[chelu]

Ron Paul is going to keep fighting on until he is OFFICIALLY not given the Republican nomination. McCain will lose in a landslide, but not that it matters because the three contenders are all the same when it comes to policy. Dr. Paul will not end his campaign before the convention, only WE can end the campaign. The money has to keep flowing, the canvassing in the upcoming primary/caucus states needs to continue. Just remember, voter turnout in the GOP primary was very very low in 2004. That was because the nominee was already "chosen". We still have the opportunity to have some strong showings if turnout from the other camps, is in our favor. McCain always talks about what a great military leader he is/would be. Are we gonna prove him right and let him march all over us on his way to the convention? Are you ready to surrender or will you continue to fight?

[colecrowe]

No. He has always said he had "no intention" of running 3rd party and always talked of being a Republican.

At one time, he ran as a fucking Libertarian and officially resigned, in writing, from the GOP! How stupid are you people?

[Freemason]

Hmmm. How about a national campaign to write in Ron Paul for president?

[RlxdN10sity]

Is there distinct difference between 3rd party and Independent? He only ruled out 3rd party if anyone thinks we should read into it a bit and there is a distinction between the two.

[affa]

FUCK loyalty to the goddamned Republican party. I've seen my buddies die and get all fucked up because of the mother fucking Republicans! Hundreds of thousands of us would donate tons and tons and canvass and do anything for him if he just ran iNDY!

Fuck you people who care about the GOP more than the country. End this goddamned fucking war now and restore honor and truth and gov't of the people to our government. We will become a war mongering nazi state if we do not elect Ron Paul


Umm... you are TOTALLY misreading what I wrote.

I have no loyalty to the GOP. I can't stand the GOP.

I was talking strategy. That he's showing loyalty to garner support for his presidential run in 2008, which he is NOT quitting.

[Redcard]

At one time, he ran as a fucking Libertarian and officially resigned, in writing, from the GOP! How stupid are you people?

Well, apparently he didn't mean it then.

[all J's in IL for RP]

I hear ya. I was all set to work with my fellow local meetup people to take over the local GOP. One of us however decided she would go Libertarian instead.

I'm thinking now I will change my registration and join with the Libertarians myself, and if RP isn't on the ballot come November, I'll vote for the Libertarian guy, whoever the hell that might be.

And so the rEVOLution dies a little death wherever it is your meetup group hails from. The local GOP could have been yours, had you fought for it.

[fedup100]

The Federal Reserve and the IRS are very relieved this evening and you will be hearing from the latter soon. They now know they can jack you forever and they own your soul.

[ProfNo]

This isn't defeat...he doesn't mean that.
read this from the campaign blog

Ron Paul is not going to surrender, and John McCain will not take the Republican nomination without the fight of his life. Your donations and work as Precinct Leaders are needed now more than ever. Thank you all for everything you’ve done so far — the revolution has just begun.

What I meant is that the tone of the email is definitely one of someone who will keep fighting, but realizing the odds are not almost zero. Again, that is realistic, but sometimes you need to keep hope alive.

Ron has always, and will always, fight for Liberty. I love the man for what he has done, and I will support him until the end as I have said many times.

[colecrowe]

Umm... you are TOTALLY misreading what I wrote.

I have no loyalty to the GOP. I can't stand the GOP.

I was talking strategy. That he's showing loyalty to garner support for his presidential run in 2008, which he is NOT quitting.

I'm really sorry--that was NOT in any way directed towards you--but only towards the idea of loyalty to the GOP (I see you just mean the appearance of it).

sorry, should have made that clear.

[slantedview]

At one time, he ran as a fucking Libertarian and officially resigned, in writing, from the GOP! How stupid are you people?

name calling isn't going to help anything. if i may be so "stupid" as to point out, ron 1988 was 20 years ago. ron has been a republican almost the entire time since then.

[kyleAF]

bump

[Free McKilt]

We are taking over the GOP because it is collapsing. It is but an empty shell with a helluva lot of votes. And we want those sheeple to vote for us instead of the warmongering, socialist, corporate, traitors. That's why we take it over!

Fellow Libertarians, Republicans, Democrats, Hippies, Gun Nuts, Gold Bugs, Christians, Atheists, and Free People, do not defect and leave the GOP. Stay and fight from within. We have put aside old wounds and injuries to come together for Freedom, For our Families, our Friends, and our Future.

[dima7b]

What I meant is that the tone of the email is definitely one of someone who will keep fighting, but realizing the odds are not almost zero. Again, that is realistic, but sometimes you need to keep hope alive.

Ron has always, and will always, fight for Liberty. I love the man for what he has done, and I will support him until the end as I have said many times.

Agreed! The chances are slim, but the best way is not to let it get in the way. It is still possible; anything is. This won't be over for a whiiiiiiiile :D

[rajibo]

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I feel better now.

[mmarcman22]

Onward we fight! I will never give up! Fight!!!!

[slantedview]

i'd like to point out.... honestly, in a way i'd prefer ron to leave the GOP just so they could feel the power of his supporters as the rest of us made a rush for the exits. i registered republican just for ron paul. i've spent most of my life despising the GOP and I still despise it.

now i suppose i'll have to stick around for a while because ron is sticking around..?

[ArrestPoliticians]

I support State militia's. The state is the people's refuge when a federal government becomes tyranical.

You mean the state militias fighting in Iraq by order of the President of the Federal Government?

[amy31416]

Yeah Obama is for "change", he has never said what the change will be. The change they are gonna see is no borders no country, a muslim in the white house and amerika will be the new south africa lite.

I think the Muslim argument against BO is BS. Remember what RP said about Romney when there was some discrimination against him due to his religion?

Anyways, BO is not a Muslim, he's a Christian who was exposed to Islam in his upbringing.

Let's not sink to low levels because we're upset, the real thing against BO is his socialist agenda and his economics--he's the biggest spender out there and will speed up the economic downfall of this country. He also has very little substance.

[Cali4RonPaul]

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.

Good bye. Take care everyone, i will drop in from time to time as well.. we accomplished a great deal in this short amount of time.. its been great.

:(

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

If one is going to fight until the end, odds are pretty fooking irrelevant. They aren't even a factor. No reason to even bother calculating them if it's all or nothing and one's decision is already made.

[VoteForRonPaul]

I expected this to come, but the timing is piss poor!
Agreed!

[coffeewithchess]

February 8, 2008


Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter.

Sincerely,
Ron


I hope this means he is firing Kent Snyder, Lew Moore and Jesse Benton...

[tpreitzel]

Ron Paul is not going to surrender, and John McCain will not take the Republican nomination without the fight of his life. Your donations and work as Precinct Leaders are needed now more than ever. Thank you all for everything you’ve done so far — the revolution has just begun.

:)

Personally, many of you need to log off NOW and get some rest. We've got work to do tomorrow! ;)

Tomorrow.

[Hook]

Yep The Fight is gonna continue for freedom and liberty and there is no reason why people should be bummed out yes the short term goal may be hard to accomplish but the longterm goal is with in reach .. As A Canadian I want to Thank all you guys for fighting for the Freedom Cause and only pray and hope that all you fine people stick togather and triple your numbers in the future . MY canadian 2 cents is TO STICK TOGATHER dont let this forum dis-band and dont get all panzy about giving up all hope this Battle is Just about to Take off in a Very positive way ...


Great work guys and Im gonna drink a good ole Beer for you Guys in Canuckistan

You're Canadian 2 cents is worth about $2.00 American by now. :D

[latkinson6]

I will continue on, BAS for HA. If not Ron then I personlly hope(edit:if a mcaine nomination) for a dem to win. Of course I won't vote that way, I'll write in Ronald Ernest Paul on the ballot (no I won't pull a Don Luskin). but a dem win will gaurentee a (imo) rep in '12 or '16, and maybe a conservitve majority in the house and senate. in the mean time i will continue letter writting to local media and supporting Ron Paul Rebulicans around the country for public office. I dont just want to change the presidentcy but ALL of government. This cannot be done in just 1 or 2 years.
And as for the media it will take serious social and cultural changes to bring back and kind of honest reporting on a national level. These changes begin with us. You and me brother.
NPR and PBS will not recieve any donations from me. And I will be sure to let them know why.
Lets not give up. Keep Ron Paul your sign up in your yard for the next 5 years.

[LAgirl]

I hope this means he is firing Kent Snyder, Lew Moore and Jesse Benton...


HEAR, HEAR!!!

This was the single piece of good news in that whole letter....

[ProfNo]

HEAR, HEAR!!!

This was the single piece of good news in that whole letter....

Agreed...he does not need a national campaign (or at least a big one) he only needs us :D

Get us the materials, signs, etc, and a place to organize we will do the rest.

[RlxdN10sity]

You mean the state militias fighting in Iraq by order of the President of the Federal Government?

Silly, the forces fighting in Iraq are those of the Federal Government. State militias are composed of people from within that state and do not answer to the Fed.

[tpreitzel]

I hope this means he is firing Kent Snyder, Lew Moore and Jesse Benton...

He's just practical. Instead of retaining unneeded staff from past primaries, save some money and use funds elsewhere for upcoming primaries. The plan sounds completely rational to me.

[Cali4RonPaul]

Edit.

[MikeStanart]

:(:(:(

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.

In The words of Samuel Adams:

"We seek not your council, nor your arms."

[2BFree]

I intend to write in for Ron Paul in the General election anyway. I'll encourage as many as I can to do the same.

I'd rather not contribute my vote to any of the canidates we're left with. I'll stick with my principles.

[coffeewithchess]

HEAR, HEAR!!!

This was the single piece of good news in that whole letter....

It will only be good news if Kent Snyder, Lew Moore and Jesse Benton are all fired...this should have been done long ago and why it wasn't I don't know, but somebody at the campaign has wasted $20+ million and I haven't seen one RP National TV ad. RP should use the rest of his money to run national tv ads waking people up about real issues.

[Freemason]

I don’t know about you guys but I am going to continue to spread the Ron’s message of freedom and liberty to all my friends and family. I am also going to ask them to write his name in when they go vote for president.

[RockEnds]

Politics at the local and even Congressional level is fine until martial law is declared and none of it means anything if you're not one of the president's men. Congressional and local offices can help, but it's not the solution. Power has been concentrated in the executive, and everything can change with the stroke of one man's pen. It's a serious situation.

[Liberté]

I will continue on, BAS for HA. If not Ron then I personlly hope(edit:if a mcaine nomination) for a dem to win. Of course I won't vote that way, I'll write in Ronald Ernest Paul on the ballot (no I won't pull a Don Luskin). but a dem win will gaurentee a (imo) rep in '12 or '16, and maybe a conservitve majority in the house and senate. in the mean time i will continue letter writting to local media and supporting Ron Paul Rebulicans around the country for public office. I dont just want to change the presidentcy but ALL of government. This cannot be done in just 1 or 2 years.
And as for the media it will take serious social and cultural changes to bring back and kind of honest reporting on a national level. These changes begin with us. You and me brother.
NPR and PBS will not recieve any donations from me. And I will be sure to let them know why.
Lets not give up. Keep Ron Paul your sign up in your yard for the next 5 years.

That would pretty much end the Constitution of the United States... by the time 2012 rolled around we'd be voting to ratify the NWO Constitution!

I will keep my Ron Paul bumber stickers on until 2012... in the General Election I will bite my tongue and vote for the GOP nominee.

[colecrowe]

Fuck you people that are happy about this.

[FreedomFighter8008]

Ron Paul is not going to surrender, and John McCain will not take the Republican nomination without the fight of his life. Your donations and work as Precinct Leaders are needed now more than ever. Thank you all for everything you’ve done so far — the revolution has just begun.

:)

Personally, many of you need to log off NOW and get some rest. We've got work to do tomorrow! ;)

Tomorrow.

Agreed!! Washington State won't know what hit them by the end of the day tomorrow. Oh, yeah, that's right -- it will be LIBERTY!!! Wahoo!!

[latkinson6]

Politics at the local and even Congressional level is fine until martial law is declared and none of it means anything if you're not one of the president's men. Congressional and local offices can help, but it's not the solution. Power has been concentrated in the executive, and everything can change with the stroke of one man's pen. It's a serious situation.

Dont forget about the big corp. lobbyists.
I really dont see martial in our futer.

[Redcard]

Fuck you people that are happy about this.

I'm not HAPPY.

But, Ron Paul is a republican, and he has stated all along, this is about the message, not the man. Look at all the people that got into politics.

I'd MUCH rather Ron Paul lose the presidency and win the congressional seat than lose both the presidency and not even have the ability to try to get the congressional seat.

It's a tough decision, but frankly, it's not yours, it's his.

[LEK]

We must convince him to RUN FOR PRESIDENT! No more war!--no more debt! My brother and brother-in-law and myself and all my buddies are going to have to keep fighting this illegal, horrible war! Please Mr. Paul, run and fight for the country--not just your party!

+1

[tpreitzel]

Agreed!! Washington State won't know what hit them by the end of the day tomorrow. Oh, yeah, that's right -- it will be LIBERTY!!! Wahoo!!

I LIKE your attitude, fighter!

BTW, I'm logging off for tonight. I promise this time . :) I NEED the rest. ;)

[Revolutn]

I heard plenty of ads in Illinois. But that's not the point.. I know you'll be back and Ron Paul has been more successful than he ever dreamed. Just remember that. We're assembled as an army, our enemy is tyranny, and we won't back down.

I didn't, but I'm glad someone did.

As for the army, I concur


Its ridiculous that so many people are taking this letter this way. He said we are gonna fight on! He did not say he's dropping out. He just made it clear that there will not be a 3rd party run. He feels Romney dropping out has made a brokered convention less likely but we are going to the convention as long as the support remains for him to do so. That means we have to destroy McCain and win some of the remaining primaries. What the hell is wrong with some you, or is it something wrong with me? Sheesh....


I'll tell you what's wrong with me.
I'm realistic.
I have critical thinking skills.
I can read the "it's been a nice run but it's effectively over" message in between the lines.

You can't. That doesn't make anything wrong with you, it just means you see things optimistically. An admiral, but not necessarily realistic trait or perspective.


I look forward to continuing the fight with so many of the great supporters I've met since May.....but I can't be in denial about the LONG TERM reality of that e-mail's meaning.

The only way he wins the nomination right now is to straight up win the majority of the delegates from here on out, and at present that is nowhere near realistic to expect he'll suddenly begin winning virtually all the remaining states.

I'm all for hope, I live on hope, but come on we get no MSM exposure, the GOP doesn't want him thus will shove Insane down it's members throat.

The revolution doesn't end, but it does take a drastic turn from it's present course.

[rajibo]

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[latkinson6]

That would pretty much end the Constitution of the United States... by the time 2012 rolled around we'd be voting to ratify the NWO Constitution!

I will keep my Ron Paul bumber stickers on until 2012... in the General Election I will bite my tongue and vote for the GOP nominee.

I wont rule that out either. we could also end up with the nau and amerobacks.
Or evan a TAU!!! but im still going to write in.

[virginiakid]

I re-read the message from Ron and I have to tell ya, I agree with several others here. That letter made me want to go out and fight more!! Very good letter, loved it.

[polexi]

I didn't, but I'm glad someone did.

As for the army, I concur




I'll tell you what's wrong with me.
I'm realistic.
I have critical thinking skills.
I can read the "it's been a nice run but it's effectively over" message in between the lines.

You can't. That doesn't make anything wrong with you, it just means you see things optimistically. An admiral, but not necessarily realistic trait or perspective.


I look forward to continuing the fight with so many of the great supporters I've met since May.....but I can't be in denial about the LONG TERM reality of that e-mail's meaning.

The only way he wins the nomination right now is to straight up win the majority of the delegates from here on out, and at present that is nowhere near realistic to expect he'll suddenly begin winning virtually all the remaining states.

I'm all for hope, I live on hope, but come on we get no MSM exposure, the GOP doesn't want him thus will shove Insane down it's members throat.

The revolution doesn't end, but it does take a drastic turn from it's present course.


Funny, I could really feel that in his email too. I guess some can't.

We know the nomination would be a miracle, but that's not the point. We'll continue to push the message!!!!:D

[LEK]

we need Rand Paul his son to run for president in 2012

I fear there may not be a United States of America to govern by then.

[beachmaster]

And so the rEVOLution dies a little death wherever it is your meetup group hails from. The local GOP could have been yours, had you fought for it.

I haven't made up my mind yet. I said I was thinking Libertarian, but I will take a few days to sort out my feelings on the matter. Time for another drink right now though.

[Neomatrix]

yeah, You.[/quote]

I'm In!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ron Paul For President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[colecrowe]

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[dirknb@hotmail.com]

Let him get through the Texas Primary and defend his Congressional seat against the neo-con idiot challenging him for the Republican nomination. After March 4th, we'll see where we stand. For now, there's no reason to stop doing what we've been doing. I think the email was as much a message to the Republican base in Texas' 14th Congressional District (not the Ron Paul diehards, just the average Republicans) as it was anything else. Sometimes, even Ron Paul has to play the political game. Don't lose sight of the White House.

[colecrowe]

What Will McCain Do Now? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080207/cm_uc_crjcox/op_455196)
Yahoo! News - 18 hours ago
"Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" is the mindless motto of the McCain foreign policy.

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/2-0&fp=47ad8300c5d48664&ei=FTWtR8-aJ6PqqwONuuSZDQ&url=http%3A//news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080207/cm_uc_crjcox/op_455196&cid=1130008903&sig2=km4qkeJ4nHjFgK_K4YQN8w

[colecrowe]

-In Mosul: A thunderous blast tore through a vacant apartment building in northern Iraq on Wednesday, killing at least 17 civilians and wounding more than 130:
Explosion Kills 17 in Northern Iraq: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gkx-3oYeFwuWKCusr2jrojs98w8wD8UBRSH00

-In Kirkuk: A roadside bombing killed at least six people and wounded 12 in the northern oil city of Kirkuk, a police source told Xinhua:
Six killed, 12 wounded in blast in Iraq's Kirkuk city: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-01/24/content_7483065.htm

-In Baquba: Iraqi security forces found the bodies of seven family members on Tuesday, all bearing signs of torture and shot execution-style, as they hunted al Qaeda fighters outside Iraq's volatile city of Baquba, police said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL2282893920080122

-In Tikrit: A suicide bomber walked undetected into a funeral yesterday evening and blew himself up, killing as many as 17 others and injuring nine in a predominantly Sunni village near Tikrit, police said:
Suicide bomber kills 17 at Iraqi funeral: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-woiraq225547364jan22,0,5309664.story

-Elsewhere (from same ^ article):
The attack comes just a day after a teenage suicide bomber walked into a party carrying a box of chocolates and detonated hidden explosives, killing himself, his cousin - a Sunni fighter working with U.S. and Iraqi forces - and four others in an apparent attack targeting U.S.-backed, anti-al-Qaida fighters. Nobody questioned the teen because he was a member of the family and known to many in the village near the former insurgent stronghold of Fallujah in Anbar province, west of Baghdad.

On Saturday, three suicide bombers attacked a police station in Ramadi, Anbar's provincial capital. Guards killed one attacker, but the other two detonated their explosives at the entrance, killing at least five officers.

Elsewhere yesterday, a parked car exploded in Qaiyara, about 50 miles south of Mosul, killing two civilians and wounding nine others. The explosion was targeting an Iraqi army patrol unit, said Brig. Gen. Abdul-Kareem Juboori, commander of Ninevah's police operation.[/u][/b]

[Freemason]

I love a good old fight and thats what the Neo-cons have coming to them. I to get my friends and head to my country republican party and move on it.

[beachmaster]

I will continue on, BAS for HA. If not Ron then I personlly hope(edit:if a mcaine nomination) for a dem to win. Of course I won't vote that way, I'll write in Ronald Ernest Paul on the ballot (no I won't pull a Don Luskin).

Yep... that was a sure fire clue wasn't it? (Luskin)

[Joe Schwartz]

It's not over yet. McCain could have a heart attack. Anything is possible.QFT.

McCain has a better chance of dying before the national convention (of natural causes, of course) than Ron Paul has of winning the election as a third-party or independent candidate.

[billjarrett]

I love a good old fight and thats what the Neo-cons have coming to them. I to get my friends and head to my country republican party and move on it.

As for your username, are you? If so, welcome brother.

[expatriot]

2012 people, somebody want to run?

You actually think the U.S. will still have elections by then?

Live Free. Period

The battles continue - right now. we can discuss 2012 on this November 5th :D

[Buffalo Bruce]

This is what Dr. Paul wrote, "(Romney's departure)does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. "

He is asking us for continue fighting for more delegates.

Lets do it , September is still seven months away-

1) Everyone in every state that has already had its primary can help with mail, contibutions, used signs, letters to the editor, etc. in the states that are still about to have a primary.

2) With Romney gone, many apathetic voters will not come to the polls because the MSM says McCain has it wrapped up. IF RP supporters all come out, our percentages will be way up and we can still give Ron a number of delegates.

3) The weather is nice in St. Paul in September. Everyone who has worked and spent on this campaign should get together in St. Paul, share ideas and stories, and celebrate the Revolution with Dr. Paul. I already have a place to stay.

4) We go back home energized for round two. We are Ron Paul. We are the Revolution.

[Freemason]

No just thought the name sounded cool lol

[colecrowe]

This is what loyalty to the GOP and believing in "the Revolution" and a 1/435th part of the House means to me:

This is just the last few months, just since the wonderful surge started working so well:

http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx

02/08/08NAME NOT RELEASED YETPending (http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16910&Itemid=21)Hostile - hostile fire - explosionAt-Tamim province 02/08/08NAME NOT RELEASED YETPending (http://icasualties.org/oif/pdf/20080209-01-MND-B-MND.pdf)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad (northwest of) 02/08/08NAME NOT RELEASED YETPending (http://icasualties.org/oif/pdf/20080209-01-MND-B-MND.pdf)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad (northwest of) 02/08/08NAME NOT RELEASED YETPending (http://icasualties.org/oif/pdf/20080209-01-MND-B-MND.pdf)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad (northwest of) 02/08/08NAME NOT RELEASED YETPending (http://icasualties.org/oif/pdf/20080209-01-MND-B-MND.pdf)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad (northwest of) 02/06/08Skelton, Bradley J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11677)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad (western part) 02/05/08Van Orman, Timothy R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11676)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMahmudiyah (died in Balad) 02/05/08Osmolski, John C.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11676)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMahmudiyah (died in Balad) 02/05/08Baez, Miguel A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11676)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMahmudiyah 02/05/08Alicearivera, RafaelDoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11673)Non-hostile - drowningTallil 02/04/08West, Christopher J. DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11671)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMuqdadiyah (Died in Balad) 02/04/08Hardy, Nathan H.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11669)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireNot reported yet 02/04/08Koch, Michael E.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11669)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireNot reported yet 02/02/08Barrett, Chad A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11666)Non-hostileMosul 01/31/08Straughter, Matthew F.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11665)Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attackBaghdad 01/31/08Schultz, David E.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11658)Hostile - hostile fire - indirect fireScania 01/31/08Norman, Michael A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11659)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad 01/28/08Craig, James E.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11654)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMosul 01/28/08Jeffries, Gary W.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11654)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMosul 01/28/08Marshall, Evan A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11654)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMosul 01/28/08Meyer, Brandon A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11654)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMosul 01/28/08Young, Joshua A. R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11654)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMosul 01/27/08Miller, Mikeal W.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11650)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackNational Naval Medical Center, Bethesda 01/27/08Rogers, Alan G.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11649)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad (northeastern part) 01/26/08Wilson, Robert J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11648)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad 01/25/08Crookston, Duncan CharlesDoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11644)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBrooke Army Med Center, TX 01/25/08Birkman, Tracy ReneeDoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11643)Non-hostile - injuryOwaset 01/22/08Sturdivant, Michael R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11636)Non-hostile - vehicle accidentKirkuk 01/19/08Whiting, Justin R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11632)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMosul 01/19/08Gluff, James M.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11634)Hostile - hostile fireAl Anbar Province 01/19/08Burress, Richard B.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11631)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackArab Jabour 01/19/08Schoolcraft III, Jon M.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11630)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackTaji 01/16/08Kimme, Danny L.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11626)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire, grenadeBalad 01/16/08Sharrett II, David H.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11626)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire, grenadeBalad 01/16/08Sigsbee, John P.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11626)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire, grenadeBalad (died in Pallouata) 01/12/08Lloyd, Keith E.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11618)Hostile - hostile fire - IEDTall Afar 01/11/08Christensen Jr., Curtis A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11621)Non-hostileAl Anbar Province 01/09/08Davis, Todd E.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11615)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack (house borne)Sinsil 01/09/08Gaul, Sean M.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11615)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack (house borne)Sinsil 01/09/08Sanders, Christopher A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11615)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack (house borne)Sinsil 01/09/08Pionk, Matthew I.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11615)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack (house borne)Sinsil 01/09/08Dozier, Jonathan KilianDoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11615)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack (house borne)Sinsil 01/09/08McBride, Zachary W.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11615)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack (house borne)Sinsil 01/09/08Hart, David J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11611)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireSamarra (died in Balad) 01/09/08Merlo, Ivan E.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11611)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireSamarra 01/09/08Pannier, Phillip J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11611)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireSamarra 01/07/08Hanson, Timothy R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11607)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireSalman Pak 01/06/08Gudridge, James D.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11606)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad (southern part) 01/05/08Lemke, Jason F.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11604)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackIbrahim Al Adham 01/04/08Brown, Menelek M.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11605)Non-hostile - drowningArabian Gulf 01/03/08Olmsted, Andrew J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11602)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireSadiyah 01/03/08Casey, Thomas J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11602)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireSadiyah 01/02/08Maseth, Ryan D.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11600)Non-hostileBaghdad 01/02/08Anderson, Joshua R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11601)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackKamasia 12/31/07Lacerna, Reno S.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11596)Non-hostile - illnessQayyarah 12/31/07Jeffries, Victor W.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11592)Non-hostileKuwait 12/30/07Berlin Jr., Joseph R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11595)Non-hostile - injuryBaghdad 12/26/07Inman, Rowdy J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11590)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireMosul 12/26/07Portell, Benjamin B.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11590)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireMosul 12/25/07Tutten, Bryan J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11589)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBalad 12/25/07Neesley, Peter C.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11586)Non-hostile - unspecified causeBaghdad 12/21/07Howell, George J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11584)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackRiyadh (near Hawijah) 12/20/07Ray, Jeremy E.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11582)Hostile - hostile fire - suicide bomberKanaan 12/17/07McDaniel, Juctin R. P.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11567)Non-hostile - injuryTaji (Camp Taji) 12/15/07Pratt, Austin D.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11566)Non-hostileBaghdad (Died in Balad) 12/14/07Lowery, Jonathan A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11564)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireMosul 12/13/07Smith, Daren A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11565)Non-hostileBaghdad 12/13/07Kelsey, Samuel E.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11562)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackTunis 12/13/07Naylor, Brynn J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11561)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireBaghdad (southern part) 12/11/07Carter, Mark T.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11559)Hostile - hostile fireIraq - details not released 12/10/07Lahmann, Johnathan A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11548)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack (suicide vehicBaiji 12/09/07Pickering, Randy W.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11546)Non-hostileBaghdad 12/05/07Snyder, Adam P.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11541)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBayji (died in Balad) 12/04/07Hernandez, Eric J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11541)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBayji 12/04/07White, Dewayne L.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11541)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBayji 12/03/07Dayton, KyleDoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11537)Non-hostile - vehicle accidentAshwah 12/01/07Reece, Matthew K.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11531)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad (eastern part) 11/30/07Emery, Blair WilliamDoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11532)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaqubah 11/28/07Tobiason, John J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11525)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireBaghdad 11/28/07Roberts, Allen C.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11524)Non-hostile - vehicle accidentAl Asad 11/27/07Cortes, Isaac T.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11521)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackAmerli 11/27/07Garrison, Benjamin J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11521)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackAmerli 11/22/07Martin, Jonathon L.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11516)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackRegensburg, Germany 11/21/07Henley Jr., Melvin L.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11513)Non-hostileBaghdad (Camp Stryker) 11/20/07Paredez Jr., Alfred G.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11512)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad (eastern part) 11/19/07Ayala, AlejandroDoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11502)Non-hostile - vehicle accidentKuwait 11/18/07Ferrero, Marius L.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11504)Hostile - hostile fire - suicide bomberBa'qubah 11/18/07Lee, Jason T.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11504)Hostile - hostile fire - suicide bomberBa'qubah (died in Balad) 11/18/07Nelson, Christopher J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11504)Hostile - hostile fire - suicide bomberBa'qubah 11/16/07Ganczewski, Steven C.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11499)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad 11/16/07Lewis, Mason L.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11498)Non-hostile - accidentBaghdad 11/14/07Burks, Peter H.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11503)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad 11/14/07Banks, Derek R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11490)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackSan Antonio, Texas 11/14/07Booker, Kenneth R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11497)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMukhisa 11/13/07Mason, Casey P.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11487)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireMosul (near) 11/13/07Kruse, Christopher R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11486)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMukhisa 11/13/07Schmidt, Peter W.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11486)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackMukhisa 11/12/07Sietsema, AshleyDoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11493)Non-hostile - vehicle accidentKuwait City 11/12/07Vanek, Joseph M.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11483)Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fireBaghdad 11/09/07Franklin, Jermaine D.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11479)Hostile - hostile fire - IED, grenadesJisr Naft 11/07/07Tiffner, Benjamin D.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11472)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackBaghdad 11/07/07Tumanuvao, LuiDoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11473)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackArab Jabour 11/06/07Ndururi, Christine M.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11463)Non-hostile - illnessCamp Arifjan 11/05/07Shaw, Daniel J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11465)Non-hostileTaji 11/05/07Bewley, Kevin R.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11464)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackSalah Ad Din Province 11/05/07Davis, Carletta S.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11467)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackTal Al-Dahab 11/05/07Linde, John D.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11467)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackTal Al-Dahab 11/05/07Stenroos, Derek T.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11467)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackTal Al-Dahab 11/05/07Muller, Adam J.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11467)Hostile - hostile fire - IED attackTal Al-Dahab 11/03/07Covert Jr., Dwane A.DoD Confirmation (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11460)Non-hostile - explosionAl Sahra

[all J's in IL for RP]

I haven't made up my mind yet. I said I was thinking Libertarian, but I will take a few days to sort out my feelings on the matter. Time for another drink right now though.

Have a few beers, shed a tear if you must, and get a good nights rest. But remember in the morning that next election cycle, you and your friends could be in the position to be endorsing, hosting and promoting a Ron Paul republican from within the party structure, instead of being on the outside looking in and damning the injustice of it all.

[nbruno322]

you need to realize that with the electoral system he would need to be able to win a state outright to get any electoral votes, besides LA he has not been able to do this in any of the primaries. I believe the only way to 3rd party run is feasible is if its McCain/Hillary, he would have no chance with Obama in there.

[nightlight]

Yeah I've been wondering if something like this would be how it would go for some time now as well. This thing reads like a solemn concession speech, and as someone else pointed out, no calls for donations.

Read again what the man said:

1. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get.

2. In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always.

3. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties.

[Redcard]

[Redacted by Moderator]

Now.. Ron Paul is a member of the GOP. Ron Paul is trying to change the GOP. Ron Paul is going for his GOP seat in GOP controlled Texas.

[CUnknown]

I think we shouldn't write in Ron Paul's name in the general election if he's not running. We should support the Libertarian party, they hold essentially the same beliefs as Dr. Paul himself. This Revolution isn't about one man, but the message.

We can be a huge boost to the Lib. party's voting base. We should stick together and make a difference where it can be felt the most strongly.

[Lord Xar]

I do have to laugh. I have identified a few trolls, lamenting with defeatist attitude.. ahhaha.

RON CLEARLY states "I AM NOT GIVING UP!". He does say with Romney out, convention is almost zero - BUT ROMNEY IS NOT OUT, he suspended his campaign. there is REASON FOR THAT.

Also, Ron does have an obligation to his constituents, thus his concurrent congressional bid IF the nomination does not work out.

What is the deal.

He says he is making things tighter and leaner, and he says he is moving on and he says UPWARD AND ONWARD!!!

GUYS. IF there is a GHOST OF A CHANCE, YOU GONNA TAKE IT!!!

HOW MANY OF YOU PLAY THE GOTDAYUM LOTTERY and THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!

So, ANTE UP. GET FOCUSED and lets do this.

WHAT IF RON WINS WASHINGTON? Or places second? What if in LA, we Place first or second.. MOMENTUM!!!!

You never know what tomorrow brings if you look towards it with hope and an obligation for opportunity. Right? We sure know what it will bring if we give up.

ONWARD AND UPWARD!!

[LAgirl]

What Will McCain Do Now? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080207/cm_uc_crjcox/op_455196)
Yahoo! News - 18 hours ago
"Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" is the mindless motto of the McCain foreign policy.

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/2-0&fp=47ad8300c5d48664&ei=FTWtR8-aJ6PqqwONuuSZDQ&url=http%3A//news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080207/cm_uc_crjcox/op_455196&cid=1130008903&sig2=km4qkeJ4nHjFgK_K4YQN8w


I hear you, Cole. Don't give up. It's not over. RP's not done yet.

We don't know everything that's going on behind the scenes, or why certain decisions are being made. But as you of all people must know, it's always darkest before the dawn.

Keep the faith. And stand strong. This is our mission.

[Eponym_mi]

FUCK the GOP!!!!!

I share this sentiment. However, if we do not participate in the political process, I believe we will have accomplished NOTHING. I will continue our fight in the GOP (for now).

Personally, I believe all of the existing parties are dysfunctional in some manner or another, either organizationally or in their lack of sound princples. This angers me to no end, and I hope that I am not alone. :mad:

In any case, I'd like to encourage everyone to direct their anger toward influencing and participating in whatever organization they believe will be most effective in promoting an agenda of small, constitutional, non-interventionist, and peaceful goverment. We need not agree on what organization that may be.

As Ron Paul has suggested repeatedly throughout his campaign, its the message that matters...not the messenger. Keep fighting for our message and do not return to a state of apathy!

[Broadlighter]

In a revolution, you have to pick and choose your own battles. The way to win it is to survive it. We beat the Brits simply because we were willing to keep fighting. That's how we'll have to win this one and that means changing course.

I'm in.

Liberty forever!

[pacelli]

http://www.ronpaulforcongress.com/

Moneybombing congress now.

[hillertexas]

I do have to laugh. I have identified a few trolls, lamenting with defeatist attitude.. ahhaha.

RON CLEARLY states "I AM NOT GIVING UP!". He does say with Romney out, convention is almost zero - BUT ROMNEY IS NOT OUT, he suspended his campaign. there is REASON FOR THAT.

Also, Ron does have an obligation to his constituents, thus his concurrent congressional bid IF the nomination does not work out.

What is the deal.

He says he is making things tighter and leaner, and he says he is moving on and he says UPWARD AND ONWARD!!!

GUYS. IF there is a GHOST OF A CHANCE, YOU GONNA TAKE IT!!!

HOW MANY OF YOU PLAY THE GOTDAYUM LOTTERY and THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!

So, ANTE UP. GET FOCUSED and lets do this.

WHAT IF RON WINS WASHINGTON? Or places second? What if in LA, we Place first or second.. MOMENTUM!!!!

You never know what tomorrow brings if you look towards it with hope and an obligation for opportunity. Right? We sure know what it will bring if we give up.

ONWARD AND UPWARD!!

+1

[colecrowe]

We get it, Crow.

You don't like the GOP. Reported for spam.

Now.. Ron Paul is a member of the GOP. Ron Paul is trying to change the GOP. Ron Paul is going for his GOP seat in GOP controlled Texas.

Whatever. I am gone. I will still support Dr. Paul with money, calls, and canvassing, etc. But I sure hope he runs iNDY if that seems like the best thing to do after March 4th.

I will write him a letter, an email, and call (each of those) every day nicely telling him how much I (and everyone I know) hopes he will go iNDY and save this country.

Goodbye (I'm just saying that because I'll probably be banned--but I don't care). You all act like you love the GOP more than this country.

You want me to put up, well then here (this is besides the over 300 cold calls and 200 houses I've canvassed, plus more crap--this doesn't count the $100 for the MLK money bomb, the $51 for the Anniversary money bomb, the 250 for the danged blimp, the 250 for something else I don't even remember now, plus 100 here and another 100 there, plus about 75 for my meetup collection baskets!):


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Here's my grandpa-in-law:

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My dad's doesn't show up, even though he gave 100.

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BUT

I admit, and am happy to do so: There is no reason to think we need to go iNDY until we see what happens between now and March 4th. He MIGHT start stomping McCain based on low voter turnout due to apathy since the media has 110% called it for McCain, and based on how horrible a choice McCain is and how much he is getting lambasted in on the air and in print, and at the 'watercooler'. Especially as Iraq of course continues blowing up and the economy gets worse. Here is my proof:

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But after March 4th...


I'm out if in a month's time he continues to win 0 states and still has less than 15% support and yet refuses to go iNDY (I'll still write him in and spread the word, make calls, etc., but I probably won't donate anymore, and I'll be very sad).


Well, I can safely say...if donations dry up....Paul will be forced to call it quits, so please continue to DONATE.

http://www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com/

my dad said he'd donate another 500 to Paul (IF he announces 3rd party) (he donated 200 on Dec. 16th--but that was when it seemed like he REALLY could maybe, possibly win the Nom. I would donate 500 the day he declares (even though it will hurt financially), whereas I can't afford to give anymore (I gave just over a 1,100 in Q4 to the cause--so shut up) for his Republican run; and gramps would probably wager another 1776.00

The 2nd and 3rd tier, broader-base of supporters aren't (many or most of them) going to donate MORE--if they already have once--because TO THEM it is obvious or at least nearly certain that he's not going to get the Nom from the Republican party (I'm not saying I believe that--but they DO). However, they would be very willing and enthusiastic about supporting him in an iNDEPENDENT run. Primary Calendar: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/calendar.asp (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/calendar.asp)

Month


Date

Feb.


9


Kansas Republican caucus
Louisiana



12

District of Columbia
Maryland
Virginia



19

Washington
Wisconsin

March


4

Ohio
Rhode Island
Texas
Vermont



11

Mississippi
April


22


Pennsylvania
May


6

Indiana
North Carolina


13

Nebraska
West Virginia primary


20

Kentucky
Oregon


27

Idaho Republican primary
June


3

Montana primary
New Mexico Republican primary
South Dakota
August


Aug. 25-28

Democratic National Convention — Denver, CO
September


Sept. 1-4

Republican National Convention — Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN[/quote]All the best,
Ron Paul Forums[/quote]

[noztnac]

Ross Perot deja vu.

[WizarDave]

McCain's Presidential Ambitions Set To Be Swiftboated

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/020808_presidential_ambitions.htm

Remnants of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group that contributed to torpedoing John Kerry's presidential ambitions in 2004 are set to derail John McCain's hopes of becoming the Republican nominee by forcing the GOP to jettison the Senator and instigating a revolution within the party to return it to its conservative roots.
...
The campaign is being led by Sergeant Ted Sampley who has devoted much of his post-military career to campaigning for the safe return of lost POW's stranded behind enemy lines. He is Vice President of Rolling Thunder Motorcycle Rally Washington, D.C., which has no less than half a million active members.

Sampley also runs Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain organization, which has been instrumental in exposing the fact that McCain's status as a war hero and the claim that he was tortured in Vietnam is a complete fabrication, as well as highlighting the fact that McCain poses as a veteran's advocate yet abandons them on every turnkey issue.
...
Sampley dismissed the importance of McCain's delegate support, saying that as long as 10 per cent could be made to sign the pledge, the Republicans would be forced to jettison McCain, leading to a brokered convention and the selection of a different nominee.

[Redcard]

You all act like you love the GOP more than this country.

Nope.

I'm a Democrat for everyone but Ron Paul.

For him, I'm a republican.

It's just, when the Republicans are out there creating bigger government than the democrats, it scares me. I want the republican party to be back to the voice of smaller government.

[inibo]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4187xzqYffL._SS500_.jpg

I've already ordered a copy. While I'm waiting for it I'm reading Andrew Napolitano's books and getting getting more angry by the day.

[hillertexas]

Redcard...Leave Colecrowe alone! :(

[latkinson6]

Moneybombing congress now.

Today was a RonPaulforcongress money bomb day. At least thats what I was told.
I donated.

[all J's in IL for RP]

I think we shouldn't write in Ron Paul's name in the general election if he's not running. We should support the Libertarian party, they hold essentially the same beliefs as Dr. Paul himself. This Revolution isn't about one man, but the message.

We can be a huge boost to the Lib. party's voting base. We should stick together and make a difference where it can be felt the most strongly.

Except the Libertarian party has never shown an ability to elect anyone, anywhere. If the r3VOLution message is to carry forward, it ought to be through the GOP. That's where it began to begin with.

[billjarrett]

You all act like you love the GOP more than this country.

I'm going to jump in here, and I say this in all respect... It's not love of the GOP, it's actually the opposite.

If you look at Dem votes vs Rep votes so far, the GOP is failing. I'm seeing reports in other threads that many local GOPs are very weak and vulnerable. The GOP already has the infrastructure we need, we just need to claim it as ours.

We have been pulled from many walks of life here, some Reps, some Dems, some indys/3rd parties, and some people who never even cared. But we all agree on the message. Who cares what the "official" GOP stands for tonight, when we can have it stand for our message tomorrow?

[humanic]

I think it's pretty clear COLECROWE is being sincere, and I for one care how he feels and appreciate his point of view. I've been reading through this entire thread and I appreciate the diversity in points of view and sincere expressions thereof. I've found his posts interesting and thought provoking. Belittling him, calling him a spammer, and so on, strikes me as ignorant and borderline sociopathic.

[literatim]

Take Over the GOP! Join the Republican Liberty Caucus, Ron Paul is a Member! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=111402)

[Redcard]

Redcard...Leave Colecrowe alone! :(

I do not have to take being called a troll, a shill, and a bunch of other names. I can report him because it's a violation of the TOS. I don't have to agree with the groupthink here on every count. Not agreeing doesn't make me a troll.

But I will NOT be abused or harassed.

[2BFree]

It is probable that Ron will go back to the house and vote for his principles, even if he's voting alone.

I'll go to the voting booth in the general election and do the same. - this announcement changes nothing for me.

It makes no difference to me if Ron runs as a third party or not. A third party had very little likelihood of winning anyway. So what is the actual difference if you write in Ron Paul or vote for him under a third party? None.

Ron's still running - I'm still voting.

[wowronpaul]

jeez people, we have not quit, it is just a bit harder, but they just make us stronger.
stop acting like he quit this race.
focus and keep your eyes on the prize....freedom.

[gjdavis60]

Let's change the Congress.

Seat by Seat.Exactly. We need to start focusing on electing all those who support the message. That is how this movement will eventually succeed.

[newnews]

The ABSOLUTE BIGGEST REASON HE SHOULD RUN 3RD PARTY?

Something like 60+% of the American people are against the Iraq war


McCain and Billary will continue these wars and many more to follow.

ON THIS ISSUE ALONE, we SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY OBLITERATE THOSE TWO TRAITORS and both the corporate dick sucking "parties"

Sorry but a revolution within only the GOP makes me sick to my stomach

[fuzzybekool]

The battles we fought were not in vain. We must continue and seek our foes in new battles to come. We have built an army of patriots that number in the millions, and now the torch is on our hands to light the way for others to join.

We must remain steadfast and secure in the knowledge that we can change the political landscape as we have done already. Because of us, the national media now knows what monetary policy is and how inflation is produced by the federal reserve printing money out of thin air. We helped to defeat Neo-Cons and knock them out of the race. Citizens across this country now know what "blow-back" is and how our foreign policy is crippling our economy.

So I do not proclaim defeat, but victory. United we stand or divided we will fall. Let us march forward, our heads held high, our eyes firmly gazed upon the prize we seek.

LIBERTY !