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krott5333
02-08-2008, 06:21 PM
This is what we need to be pushing at this point in time, as real conservatives how no where else to turn.

I think we should stay away from the war issue for now, and stress "TRUE CONSERVATISM".

Real conservatives can't possibly vote for McCain, and they don't really like Huckabee either. Now is the time to canvass heavily, and push Ron Paul's TRUE CONSERVATISM.

-Less Government
-Less Regulation
-Free Markets
-Strongest supporter of the Constitution and the 2nd amendment
-Less Taxes
-Less Red Tape!
-Strong on Border Security, and NO AMNESTY!
-Strong Economy

Think like the typical voter thinks. Its becoming more clear to me every day how we can tailor our message without pandering, and the media itself has admitted that real conservatives are confused about whom they should be supporting.

Its time to tell them!

Good luck!

-Patrick Krott

Santana28
02-08-2008, 06:22 PM
YES - and emphasize that Ron Paul is the ONLY one we can trust to deal with the issue of Illegal Immigration. This is the key to victory. we need MONEY for an advertising blitz - nationwide.

nodope0695
02-08-2008, 06:23 PM
Very smart advise...I find alot of war hawks out there who believe we're really at risk from Islamofascists taking away our freedoms. Ironic that the fascist extremists trying take away our freedom work in a big white domed building in Washington D.C.

Bruno
02-08-2008, 06:25 PM
Stress sound economic policy, and avoid mentioning the gold standard. Instead, focus on how the money is tied to oil.

Smiley Gladhands
02-08-2008, 06:25 PM
Yep...bump.

Trigonx
02-08-2008, 06:26 PM
Absolutely. Always talk about the economy because it affects EVERYONE.

Ex Post Facto
02-08-2008, 06:26 PM
I posted another thread on this. If we speak to Ron Pauls issues we can convert people. don't represent yourself as a Ron Paul supporter. Talk about the issues and being a conservative. Mention Ron Paul but not until you've talked about the issues.

itsnobody
02-08-2008, 06:26 PM
great plan, this will get us a lot more votes...

hawks4ronpaul
02-08-2008, 06:26 PM
I agree to stress (domestic) conservatism for the primary but you have good answers on terrorism if necessary:

Stop using the opponent’s frame and stop trying the losing battle of defending why RP is less.

RP provides more of everything good; more defense, more security, more intelligence.

RP provides the best military. All the others weaken our military.
RP provides the best national security. All the others weaken our security.
RP provides the best intelligence. All the others weaken our intelligence.
RP provides the best foreign policy. All the others weaken our foreign policy.

Ron Paul’s strong foreign policy:

Keep an unbeatable military.
Uphold the Constitution and US sovereignty: Declare the war, fight it, win it, and come home.
Fight terrorists with intelligence and special units to stop overstretching our troops and to keep our conventional forces free and ready for major conventional threats.
Secure our borders and enforce our visa laws to stop terrorists.
Maintain financial security through sound money, fiscal conservatism, and non-intervention (the smart way to be globally active)—You can’t win a war when you’re bankrupt.

Much more at http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

acmegeek
02-08-2008, 06:28 PM
I just wrote a piece strongly stressing Ron's position on war with a slightly different twist...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=116344

TNFreedom
02-08-2008, 06:29 PM
Couldn't agree more. I have been saying this since I joined you guys following Iowa. Despite the illogicalness of it, its just an absolute non winner with Republicans in this new era of the party. It is equivalent to being an ardently pro-life democrat, you are immediately written off as a loon that doesn't get it. If Dr. Paul was not so hawkish on the anti-war part we would have gotten alot more attention because other than that issue he is their dream candidate. I have had about 10 close republican friends tell me this. Many talk radio people have said this also.

cheese
02-08-2008, 06:34 PM
agree a billion percent here. win the marketing battle for the conservative title. convince people nonintervention is conservative later.

exomniac
02-08-2008, 06:35 PM
I guess Im alone on this. Ron converted me to anti-war because he makes the point that the reason we have a crumbling nation is because of the war. It is THE ROOT ISSUE that effects our nations foreign policy, economic stability and our national security.

Archie
02-08-2008, 06:40 PM
Ron Should kept a soft-tone about his "iraq war" views untill he really has some numbers behind him in the polls. I said this before and I will say it again As A Child when your parents told you something and you didnt listen you would always hate hearing them say "I told you so" it was the most anoyying thing to here as a child because you knew you were Wrong and ya didnt want to hear it again ,Thats exactly how some repub conservative voters feel like there children and they really hate hearing ron talk abotu the war because they take it as him saying "I told yo SO" and even though its a fact that alot less republicans and not as gung-ho about the war in iraq know they still dont wanna here someone in there own party sound like the Democrats in the "I told you so" stuff they just find it anoyying and as Children do the will never admit there wrong because you keep saying "I told you so" ITs a shitty reality but most people who voted for the war in iraq and are now not so gun-ho about it dont wanna here people tell them "there wrong" because they are like little children so Screw it they already now there wrong on the iraq issue

lets just agree on the other stuff that they love that Ron talks about , If you need an example of what im saying just look at all the "repubs " who are not so gun-ho about the war today voting for McCain instead of Paul even though they know Paul is right on the war , they dont like the Democrat sounding "I told ya so" argument stuff they think Paul is doing to them .. ITs Retarded I know but like the one guy said focus on the "Marketing aspect" first and get some real support and numbers behind you and then they will be more then happy to listen to the Conservative argument against UN Style nation building wars , Use sugar not Vinegar to get them close to you first it only logical and I cant believe that RP handlers didnt use this strategy for day one Holy Crap do they not SEE what the Republican Party is like Today ? What did they think there were walking into a barrygoldwater style repub party LOL!!!!!! You have to win the modern day repub morons first and then get them to understand goldwater type republicanism .. You dont take someone driving a geo into a Ferrari after one driving lesson they would be way to scared to control such an awesome tool same goes for goldwater republicanism they need to move a little by little to that because it demands bigtime respect

hawks4ronpaul
02-08-2008, 06:47 PM
I guess Im alone on this. Ron converted me to anti-war because he makes the point that the reason we have a crumbling nation is because of the war. It is THE ROOT ISSUE that effects our nations foreign policy, economic stability and our national security.

Yes, each case can differ, but the root issue is usually easier AFTER you have won a convert on all the easier issues with smaller mental shifts.

"Paul supports you" is easier than "You must change to support Paul's issue."

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

sharedvoice
02-08-2008, 07:04 PM
Question for McCain:
With your long history of liberalism, why do you seek the Republican Party nomination?

John McCain (SongBird McCain) Traitor! (COMPELLING AUDIO LISTEN!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvXEsW4Fgg

FACT SHEET: Military record of John Sidney McCain III
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/mccain_post_card_word%5B1%5D.pdf

John "SongBird" McCain is Part of The Keating Five Scandel
http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/articles/0301mccainbio-chapter7.html

John McCain - Fit For Command?
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/4486

U.S. Sen. John McCain is no War Hero
http://www.namvets.com/Reading/john_mccain_is_no_war_hero.htm

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mccainpic.htm

Default McCain borrowed money from bank, used fundraising list as collateral!!!!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7837.html

Why Did McCain Block Release of POW Info?
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0523,schanberg,64705,6.html
http://iperceive.net/john-mccain-hanoi-collaborator/

How the Clintons will undo McCain
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=60020

McCain's Divorce
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm

"What happened to John McCain's first wife?"
http://askville.amazon.com/happened-John-McCain's-wife/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=7408966

VIDEO: John McCain in "Missing, Presumed Dead"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBiti-ZbeO0

Kennedy-McCain Amnesty Plan
http://www.newswithviews.com/Taft/john29.htm
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/1/25/131758.shtml

YouTube - John McCain- Weak on Immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs6wwg_ie6Y

Campaign Finance Reform: The Issue (McCain-Feingold)
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/campaignfinance/index.asp

McCain/Lieberman Gun Control
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/679560/posts

McCain Qoutes:

"Thank God for our form of government. The media won't let there be any cover-up." -- John McCain
"Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran..." -- John McCain

YouTube - McCain laughs, Sings Bomb Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I

"100 Years in Iraq would be fine by me." -- John McCain
"I'm not interested in trading with al Qaeda, all they want to trade is burkas. I don't want to travel with them, they like one-way tickets." -- John McCain

Senator McCain has hired a dual-nationality Mexican/American citizen (Juan Hernandez) to be his outreach coordinator to the Hispanic community. Juan Hernandez is the legalized version of a present-day Benedict Arnold!

McCain introduces bill to extend US health care to Mexico
http://www.digg.com/politics/McCain_introduced_bill_to_extend_US_health_care_to _Mexico

Vietnam Vet speaks of "Songbird" McCain
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/020708_never_tortured.htm

Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

US Documents pertaining to McCain’s COLLABORATIONS with the Communist
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_declassified_landing.htm

http://www.usvetdsp.com/gifs/mcaincuban.jpg

Google "Hanoi McCain"

Archie
02-08-2008, 07:05 PM
I guess Im alone on this. Ron converted me to anti-war because he makes the point that the reason we have a crumbling nation is because of the war. It is THE ROOT ISSUE that effects our nations foreign policy, economic stability and our national security.

ITs Because you didnt go at it like a child like 90% of the other Pro-iraq war repubs out there ,you dont mind listening to reason and logic if your on the wrong end of an issue like "nation building" while the other 90% only hear "I told you so" when Ron is speaking about his war stance , Its a shame really but we do have a good chance in converting these types aswell aslong as we dont act to cocky about "being right" on forign policy we just gotta work with them one step at a time and letting them feel very comfortable around the 90% of issues they reall love RP for .. Remember WE LOVE OUR CHILDREN even when they pretend to not here us Correct them with logic and reason..

Oh and Hurry up and make some babies if you already have MAKE MORE LOL!!!!!!! we are in a very high demand for people of your genes who actually dont mind correcting themselves when they here very good logic and reason:)

thehittgirl
02-08-2008, 07:16 PM
Ron Should kept a soft-tone about his "iraq war" views untill he really has some numbers behind him in the polls. I said this before and I will say it again As A Child when your parents told you something and you didnt listen you would always hate hearing them say "I told you so" it was the most anoyying thing to here as a child because you knew you were Wrong and ya didnt want to hear it again ,Thats exactly how some repub conservative voters feel like there children and they really hate hearing ron talk abotu the war because they take it as him saying "I told yo SO" and even though its a fact that alot less republicans and not as gung-ho about the war in iraq know they still dont wanna here someone in there own party sound like the Democrats in the "I told you so" stuff they just find it anoyying and as Children do the will never admit there wrong because you keep saying "I told you so" ITs a shitty reality but most people who voted for the war in iraq and are now not so gun-ho about it dont wanna here people tell them "there wrong" because they are like little children so Screw it they already now there wrong on the iraq issue

You are sadly right. But for some reason, I am glad Ron takes the approach he does. Many Americans don't look at the long haul, but the here and now, and like you said, don't like to admit it when they're wrong...and prideful. Someone in my meetup group said when the muck hits the fan, he wants to gather the masses, lock them in one giant room and say, "I told ya so, I told ya so, I told ya so....."
We thought that was funny....

Archie
02-08-2008, 08:19 PM
You are sadly right. But for some reason, I am glad Ron takes the approach he does. Many Americans don't look at the long haul, but the here and now, and like you said, don't like to admit it when they're wrong...and prideful. Someone in my meetup group said when the muck hits the fan, he wants to gather the masses, lock them in one giant room and say, "I told ya so, I told ya so, I told ya so....."
We thought that was funny....

HAHAHA that is sorta funny especially in light of my example of many good folks in the repub getting toined of by RP war stance cause they percive it as "I TOLD YA SO" But this is a lesson to be learned, Ron Paul is amazing when he speaks what we want to here about Iraq but the bottom line is we cant be so selfish on just one issue in the republican race for the nomination,We gotta stick to what "sells" well with the majority of the repubs voters and that is 90% what RP represent better then anyother candidate and he needs to capitalize in that not hurt himself because we want to say "I told you so" its not worth it for the short term and for the long term we dont wanna get rid of our kids when they dont admit there wrong we want to get them to see our side by using smart examples which will eventually prove our point because they will agree with 90% of the other stuff we tell them for there own good. ITs the same with the war issue you dont wanna force it on people to take one side or the other infact isnt that the whole RP message dont "Force people do accept your ideas" let them learn from us by our example . Same with the war issue if we stop acting cocky in the eyes of the other repubs who get anoyyed because they think were always saying "I told you so" in regards to iraq like there arch-enemy the big gov;t democrats are then we will win them over issue by issue leading to the most controversial one at the end when we got there support anyway ..

Trying to win over base republicans by always bring up how "wrong iraq is" is like a Drug peddler trying to convince the pothead to shoot heroin its gonna be a tough sell to do HAHAHAHHAA

utrunner07
02-08-2008, 08:26 PM
To the orignal poster, you are 100% correct. I think the most R. Paul should ever say is we need to draw dawn our foreign commitments significantly and work on accomplishing our goals in Iraq and a strong and timely manner....

Geez, HQ should be required to read this board every day, so many ideas on here that if they were listened to would do this campaign greet good! (not all ideas, but many)

OP I would suggest calling headquarters on this one, and then try to get a job there :)

Phenom24
02-08-2008, 08:29 PM
I think he can do both - in a way that Americans will stand up and cheer for. I got inspired listening to Levin tonight...

Oh man, I'm going to be up late tonight...

:) rubs palms together...

colecrowe
02-08-2008, 08:34 PM
No. We aren't going to win in the GOP. We are polling 6% with them and 11 or more % as an independent (that's with nobody knowing who he is). More anti-war stuff and go iNDY.

spudea
02-08-2008, 08:34 PM
true conservatives must be anti war. All those things you just listed are only possible in times of peace.

Archie
02-08-2008, 08:35 PM
I fear that this Strategy might be to little to late There is a possibilty but its gonna be much harder then it would of if they did this early on when we had the MSM attention on the first money bomb, way back then would of been the perfect time to Use this strategy to nuke the other candidates into the abyss and win the base's support with RP just "toning the controversial iraq stance" down a little I mean that issue is way to divisive to put all your apples in that basket especially doing that in the Repub nominations you gotta win them on it much later on when you have locked in there support . And again he wouldn't have to censor himself about it he could just tone the divisive rhetoric down a little. I love it When Ron Talks Blunt truth about iraq but like I said this aint about one selfish issue were we can all say "told ya so" we need to realize that there is somehting much more bigger at stake.. RP Could have his cake and eat it to with this strategy..

And I dont know what Kinda stuff the RP campaign people have been smoking not to understand this Again its a tough sell for a Heroin dealer to try and get a pothead to shoot heroin with him ,its just as tough selling the RP iraq stance to modern day base average joesixpack republicans LOL!!!!!!!

utrunner07
02-08-2008, 08:37 PM
No. We aren't going to win in the GOP. We are polling 6% with them and 11 or more % as an independent (that's with nobody knowing who he is). More anti-war stuff and go iNDY.

That is not going to happen. Ron Paul is in this for the LONG TERM good of the country and knows that running as an independent could jeopardize that. I used to want him to run indy to but the more I thought about it the more i could see why he wouldnt. The quicker we realize its Rep. or nothing the better.

CitizenPlain
02-08-2008, 08:39 PM
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Free McKilt
02-08-2008, 08:43 PM
I agree, but only up until the GOP convention. After that it is the anti-war stance that beats Obama or Clinton.

Archie
02-08-2008, 08:46 PM
That is not going to happen. Ron Paul is in this for the LONG TERM good of the country and knows that running as an independent could jeopardize that. I used to want him to run indy to but the more I thought about it the more i could see why he wouldnt. The quicker we realize its Rep. or nothing the better.

good points And actually if Ron Paul really becomes "the gold standard" for the republican party then all the libertarian indy's and constitutinal indy will finnaly have a chance to come back to the GOP again , The modern day GOP needs a major surgical op and DR.Paul is the doctor who needs to perform the surgery on it LOL!!!!!!! Untill the system makes it easier for third party's to have any real chance there has to be a haven for those indy for the time being and thats the GOP for now . Even Ron Paul has run third party and he has come to state on many occasions that the system is created in a way that its very hard for a third party to even have legs let alone a body mass unless your some Billionaire Pop Cuture icon you just wont even come close to anything...

If Paul loses the nomination I would want him to run third party just to stick it to the bums LOL!!!!! But I wouldnt be upset if he didnt bother Poor guy must not of even had a good nites sleep in a long time:(

BigRedBrent
02-08-2008, 09:34 PM
We need Educational Ads !!!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=114669

cheese
02-08-2008, 10:04 PM
Who the fuck 1-starred this. You can't just flip a switch making conservatives turn anti-war after 8 years of brainwashing. Sell Paul on everything he stands for, and ease the war issue. Take it from a previously pro-war sheep, you can't fully understand why the Bush foreign policy is fucked until you fully understand Paul's liberty principle.

Archie
02-08-2008, 10:13 PM
Great Poine cheese its sad that RP handlers in his campaign didnt have the Brains or wit to understand that trying to get modern repubs to become Anti-war at the flip of the switch as you said is exactly what im saying with the heroin dealer trying to get the pothead to shoot heroin with him ITS A TOUGH FREAKIN SELL LOL!!!!!!!

This Thread seems to be attracting very smart views on understanding why RP has failed to gain the support he needed to win the Republican nomination . Alot of people seem to ignore that todays Republican party has been molested and brainwashed by Troskyist neo-cons for 8 years it took an attack like 9/11 to get the modern day repub voters to suport "nation building" its gonna take swift strategy to win these good folks back again to the goldwater ways from there current paranoia and confusion ..

again dont throw the baby out with the bath water. Just cause someone is as cheese says a "pro-war sheep" as he once was doesnt mean we gotta "scorn them with I told you so" just ease them into the mold again without alot of "forceful divisive" rhetoric ..

TNFreedom
02-08-2008, 10:21 PM
To the orignal poster, you are 100% correct. I think the most R. Paul should ever say is we need to draw dawn our foreign commitments significantly and work on accomplishing our goals in Iraq and a strong and timely manner....




Very well said.

This is one of THE main things that Ron is lacking in my opinion. Romney, McSongbird, Hil, & Obama have armies of "wordsmiths" telling them how to phrase stuff like this and in the soundbite culture that we unfortunately live in, it clearly works.

krott5333
02-08-2008, 10:36 PM
I guess Im alone on this. Ron converted me to anti-war because he makes the point that the reason we have a crumbling nation is because of the war. It is THE ROOT ISSUE that effects our nations foreign policy, economic stability and our national security.

I agree that we should not be ashamed of his anti-war message, and the war does need to be spoken out against. However, the time is ripe to get the neo-connish "true conservative" base, so to speak, and we must strike while the iron is hot.

coffeewithchess
02-08-2008, 10:42 PM
Yea, RP can preach having a STRONG NATIONAL DEFENSE without mentioning removing the troops from Iraq.

krott5333
02-08-2008, 10:55 PM
No. We aren't going to win in the GOP. We are polling 6% with them and 11 or more % as an independent (that's with nobody knowing who he is). More anti-war stuff and go iNDY.

:rolleyes:

krott5333
02-08-2008, 10:56 PM
true conservatives must be anti war. All those things you just listed are only possible in times of peace.

I realize this, and you realize this, but the sheeple neoconservatives who still consider themselves conservatives do not.

krott5333
02-08-2008, 10:56 PM
I agree, but only up until the GOP convention. After that it is the anti-war stance that beats Obama or Clinton.

well thats a given, and you can worry about that then.

krott5333
02-08-2008, 10:57 PM
Yea, RP can preach having a STRONG NATIONAL DEFENSE without mentioning removing the troops from Iraq.

He does not need to skirt around the Iraq issue. He simply needs to reassure people that he is THE conservative candidate, and the easiest way to do this it to expose the others in contrast to himself.

Show his strong record on immigration while showing John McCain's weak record on immigration.

etc etc

Archie
02-09-2008, 12:12 AM
yep Ron Paul doesnt need to skirt anything he just needs to stay away from sounding to much like the "I told you so" Guy about iraq just needs to spend his time on stuff like the previous poster said about how McCain is a leftist radical when he introduced his amnesty bill and also on his Global warming peddling hysteria which wil evolve into a Global UN loving Carbon tax for everyone to pay in the future.