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RadioDJforPaul
02-08-2008, 12:27 PM
Huge crowd!

http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=LNA/MGArticle/LNA_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354534017

virginiakid
02-08-2008, 12:29 PM
Wow---8,500!!!!

nullvalu
02-08-2008, 12:29 PM
Crap thats the biggest rally yet! At least the people at LU aren't quitters & are staying positive...

virginiakid
02-08-2008, 12:29 PM
BTW, broken link, doesn't work.

nullvalu
02-08-2008, 12:30 PM
try this?

http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=LNA/MGArticle/LNA_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354534017

virginiakid
02-08-2008, 12:30 PM
h ttp://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=LNA/MGArticle/LNA_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354534017&path=

http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=LNA/MGArticle/LNA_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354534017&path=

nullvalu
02-08-2008, 12:31 PM
h ttp://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=LNA/MGArticle/LNA_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354534017&path=

http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=LNA/MGArticle/LNA_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354534017&path=

no need to break story links, only polls

Bilgefisher
02-08-2008, 12:33 PM
here is another link from Lynchburg television.

http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0208/494607.html

pacelli
02-08-2008, 12:33 PM
8500 !?!?!?!

Heather in WI
02-08-2008, 12:34 PM
Holy cow!!! That's awesome!!!

Bilgefisher
02-08-2008, 12:34 PM
btw...Virginia is Feb 12th.

Ethek
02-08-2008, 12:37 PM
thats the school Jerry Farwell helped found right? I think Huck pulled about 8,000 there a couple months ago.

Wonder what earned Ron an invitation.

I really think a lot of evangelicals are missing the boat with not paying more heed to the constitution. Religion is always a divisive thing. Best way to spread the message is a limited government that can get in the way and not cause resentment with imposed attitudes. The bible does trump mans free will above all else.

virginiakid
02-08-2008, 12:39 PM
Yes that is Jerry Falwell's school.

Phantom
02-08-2008, 12:41 PM
Youyube?

virginiakid
02-08-2008, 12:42 PM
Somebody here is in the process, I hope it comes up soon because I really want to see as I was unable to attend the event. Arrgg....

fuzzybekool
02-08-2008, 12:49 PM
bump. I am sure the MSM had better things to do.

virginiakid
02-08-2008, 12:51 PM
Just curious though, I wonder how many of those students are going to vote for Huckabee, because they are told by their religious leaders to do that?

MayTheRonBeWithYou
02-08-2008, 12:51 PM
We asked Congressman Paul if he believes he can still win the presidency. He told us he wouldn't be campaigning if he didn't think so, because he wouldn't ask people to throw away a vote on a candidate who couldn't win. That being said, he also said he has no intention of being a spoiler in 2008. If he does not win the Republican nomination, he will not run as a third party candidate.

:(

DAFTEK
02-08-2008, 12:54 PM
Yah know, with all the Media Blackout by our great american proud owned networks like CNN FOX MSNBC Main streem crap who i wont buy any products that advertise on their crapy zionist channels,

Had to vent :D

Why don't we have grassroots recording his everyday events and stream it online on the main website? WTF its not that hard to do :mad:

Agent CSL
02-08-2008, 12:58 PM
Oh my gosh.
WOW!

Bilgefisher
02-08-2008, 01:38 PM
bump

colecrowe
02-08-2008, 02:01 PM
McCain skips the stimulus vote because it would be a lose-lose vote for him (cowardly politician). Ron Paul is willing to give up the chance to make a very opportune and important campaign speech to 8,500 people to do his job by voting on the floor of the House!

source: 2:24, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PruslSx9p18

chilledfresh
02-08-2008, 02:04 PM
This was the most amazing speech I've ever heard from Ron Paul. SPREAD THE VIDEOS!

Kade
02-08-2008, 02:06 PM
Huge crowd!

http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=LNA/MGArticle/LNA_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354534017

Liberty University strong armed themselves an accreditation, because they can't get one on their own. No serious organization would ever consider an "education" from Liberty anything than what it really is... a name brand government subsidized toilet roll.


Screw Liberty University and screw their assault of education.

virginiakid
02-08-2008, 02:21 PM
That was a very good speech. Tough crowd though. I noticed some of them were squirming. hehehe. Overall though, Ron Paul had a good crowd. Liberty U I imagine is pro-Huckabee, probably mainly because of what their preachers tell them. But I hope this message got them to think and start searching to see if what Ron Paul was saying is truth. Truth hurts Liberty U., and when we keep the same path, and we end up in the toilet, you will be looking back and saying to yourself. My goodness, Dr. Paul was right!

vroomery
02-08-2008, 02:37 PM
This was definitely an awesome speach. I was quite pleased that Ron stood his ground and still talked about having a non-interventionalist foreign policy. I was afraid he might get boo'd by some of the huck supporters.

For those that don't know, convocation is a manditory event for on campus students so a good bit of the people that attended might have not necessarily been RP supporters. More than likely they are Huck supporters b/c he came towards the end of last semester and Jerry Falwell Jr. endrosed him when he came. Unfortunately there are a ton of sheeple at this school, but i can feel the tide start to turn. Especially with Ron's speech today, people are learning. Even one of the campus pastors sitting behind Ron on stage looked like he was really diggin what he was talking about.

slantedview
02-08-2008, 02:37 PM
Wow, that was an EPIC speech. So clear, and concise. Best speech Ron has ever given.

WarningSLO
02-08-2008, 02:40 PM
McCain skips the stimulus vote because it would be a lose-lose vote for him (cowardly politician). Ron Paul is willing to give up the chance to make a very opportune and important campaign speech to 8,500 people to do his job by voting on the floor of the House!

source: 2:24, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PruslSx9p18

Actually, McCain made it back for the last round of voting and voted Yea:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00010

kirkblitz
02-08-2008, 02:41 PM
where is the youtube or audio copy?

2orb
02-08-2008, 03:54 PM
This was the best I've ever seen him speak. It was well paced; slower than he normally speaks. He seemed very relaxed and much more confident.

This is the man that the world needs to see. Not the one that gets two minutes to express his ideas in a 90 minute debate.

2orb
02-08-2008, 03:56 PM
where is the youtube or audio copy?

This is part 0 of 4 (1 of 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PruslSx9p18

lvp1138
02-08-2008, 04:00 PM
Best. Speech. Ever.

Spoke calmly, slowly, very presidential.

Quick
02-08-2008, 04:10 PM
It was a great speech.

Though, I'm sad to say it was a mandatory meeting and those who didn't show up had to pay a fine. He did get a lot of cheers though, so hopefully he converted a few students.

http://www.liberty.edu/studentaffairs/index.cfm?PID=1378

gpickett00
02-08-2008, 04:13 PM
Yeah, I just talked to my friend from back home who goes to Liberty. They have to go to a "convocation" every monday wednesday and friday and it just happens that they had Ron Paul today. Coolness

wfd40
02-08-2008, 04:15 PM
wonder if he's winging it?

rg123
02-08-2008, 04:17 PM
Yea he's winging it. He did it yesterday too

FreeMind&Market
02-08-2008, 04:17 PM
Did Falwell, jr have any additional comments? Curious, since he is a Huckster. Finally have to give credit to LU for doing something positive though.

mello
02-08-2008, 04:48 PM
Too bad that people will only be able to see this on Youtube.
The only way that this will be shown in the MSM is if hell freezes over.
And I live in Milwaukee!!! It's supposed to feel like 25 BELOW with the windchill tonight.

JeffSchulman
02-08-2008, 05:16 PM
You know, I really thought that Falwell (Sr.) was completely, irrational, high-tempered, and full of fire and brimstone. "Ban Teletubbies," I mean, come on!

All of these things may be true about his public persona, but I really was moved by a memoriam written for him by none other than Larry Flynt (the publisher of Hustler Magazine) when he passed away. I may not have liked Falwell, but after reading this article, I respected him.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-flynt20may20,0,2751741.story

Larry Flynt: My friend, Jerry Falwell

How the pornographer found himself in the embrace of the reverend who sued him.
By Larry Flynt, LARRY FLYNT is the publisher of Hustler magazine and the author of "Sex, Lies and Politics."
May 20, 2007
THE FIRST TIME the Rev. Jerry Falwell put his hands on me, I was stunned. Not only had we been archenemies for 15 years, his beliefs and mine traveling in different solar systems, and not only had he sued me for $50 million (a case I lost repeatedly yet eventually won in the Supreme Court), but now he was hugging me in front of millions on the Larry King show.

It was 1997. My autobiography, "An Unseemly Man," had just been published, describing my life as a publisher of pornography. The film "The People vs. Larry Flynt" had recently come out, and the country was well aware of the battle that Falwell and I had fought: a battle that had changed the laws governing what the American public can see and hear in the media and that had dramatically strengthened our right to free speech.

King was conducting the interview. It was the first time since the infamous 1988 trial that the reverend and I had been in the same room together, and the thought of even breathing the same air with him made me sick. I disagreed with Falwell (who died last week) on absolutely everything he preached, and he looked at me as symbolic of all the social ills that a society can possibly have. But I'd do anything to sell the book and the film, and Falwell would do anything to preach, so King's audience of 8 million viewers was all the incentive either of us needed to bring us together.

But let's start at the beginning and flash back to the late 1970s, when the battle between Falwell, the leader of the Moral Majority, and I first began. I was publishing Hustler magazine, which most people know has been pushing the envelope of taste from the very beginning, and Falwell was blasting me every chance he had. He would talk about how I was a slime dealer responsible for the decay of all morals. He called me every terrible name he could think of — names as bad, in my opinion, as any language used in my magazine.

After several years of listening to him bash me and reading his insults, I decided it was time to start poking some fun at him. So we ran a parody ad in Hustler — a takeoff on the then-current Campari ads in which people were interviewed describing "their first time." In the ads, it ultimately became clear that the interviewees were describing their first time sipping Campari. But not in our parody. We had Falwell describing his "first time" as having been with his mother, "drunk off our God-fearing asses," in an outhouse.

Apparently, the reverend didn't find the joke funny. He sued us for libel in federal court in Virginia, claiming that the magazine had inflicted emotional stress on him. It was a long and tedious fight, beginning in 1983 and ending in 1988, but Hustler Magazine Inc. vs. Jerry Falwell was without question my most important battle.

We lost in our initial jury trial, and we lost again in federal appeals court. After spending a fortune, everyone's advice to me was to just settle the case and be done, but I wasn't listening; I wasn't about to pay Falwell $200,000 for hurting his feelings or, as his lawyers called it, "intentional infliction of emotional distress." We appealed to the U.S. 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, and I lost for a third time.

Everyone was certain this was the end. We never thought the U.S. Supreme Court would agree to hear the case. But it did, and though I felt doomed throughout the trial and was convinced that I was going to lose, we never gave up. As we had moved up the judicial ladder, this case had become much more than just a personal battle between a pornographer and a preacher, because the 1st Amendment was so much at the heart of the case.

To my amazement, we won. It wasn't until after I won the case and read the justices' unanimous decision in my favor that I realized fully the significance of what had happened. The justices held that a parody of a public figure was protected under the 1st Amendment even if it was outrageous, even if it was "doubtless gross and repugnant," as they put it, and even if it was designed to inflict emotional distress. In a unanimous decision — written by, of all people, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist — the court reasoned that if it supported Falwell's lower-court victory, no one would ever have to prove something was false and libelous to win a judgment. All anyone would have to prove is that "he upset me" or "she made me feel bad." The lawsuits would be endless, and that would be the end of free speech.

Everyone was shocked at our victory — and no one more so than Falwell, who on the day of the decision called me a "sleaze merchant" hiding behind the 1st Amendment. Still, over time, Falwell was forced to publicly come to grips with the reality that this is America, where you can make fun of anyone you want. That hadn't been absolutely clear before our case, but now it's being taught in law schools all over the country, and our case is being hailed as one of the most important free-speech cases of the 20th century.

No wonder that when he started hugging me and smooching me on television 10 years later, I was a bit confused. I hadn't seen him since we'd been in court together, and that night I didn't see him until I came out on the stage. I was expecting (and looking for) a fight, but instead he was putting his hands all over me. I remember thinking, "I spent $3 million taking that case to the Supreme Court, and now this guy wants to put his hand on my leg?"

Soon after that episode, I was in my office in Beverly Hills, and out of nowhere my secretary buzzes me, saying, "Jerry Falwell is here to see you." I was shocked, but I said, "Send him in." We talked for two hours, with the latest issues of Hustler neatly stacked on my desk in front of him. He suggested that we go around the country debating, and I agreed. We went to colleges, debating moral issues and 1st Amendment issues — what's "proper," what's not and why.

In the years that followed and up until his death, he'd come to see me every time he was in California. We'd have interesting philosophical conversations. We'd exchange personal Christmas cards. He'd show me pictures of his grandchildren. I was with him in Florida once when he complained about his health and his weight, so I suggested that he go on a diet that had worked for me. I faxed a copy to his wife when I got back home.

The truth is, the reverend and I had a lot in common. He was from Virginia, and I was from Kentucky. His father had been a bootlegger, and I had been one too in my 20s before I went into the Navy. We steered our conversations away from politics, but religion was within bounds. He wanted to save me and was determined to get me out of "the business."

My mother always told me that no matter how repugnant you find a person, when you meet them face to face you will always find something about them to like. The more I got to know Falwell, the more I began to see that his public portrayals were caricatures of himself. There was a dichotomy between the real Falwell and the one he showed the public.

He was definitely selling brimstone religion and would do anything to add another member to his mailing list. But in the end, I knew what he was selling, and he knew what I was selling, and we found a way to communicate.

I always kicked his ass about his crazy ideas and the things he said. Every time I'd call him, I'd get put right through, and he'd let me berate him about his views. When he was getting blasted for his ridiculous homophobic comments after he wrote his "Tinky Winky" article cautioning parents that the purple Teletubby character was in fact gay, I called him in Florida and yelled at him to "leave the Tinky Winkies alone."

When he referred to Ellen Degeneres in print as Ellen "Degenerate," I called him and said, "What are you doing? You don't need to poison the whole lake with your venom." I could hear him mumbling out of the side of his mouth, "These lesbians just drive me crazy." I'm sure I never changed his mind about anything, just as he never changed mine.

I'll never admire him for his views or his opinions. To this day, I'm not sure if his television embrace was meant to mend fences, to show himself to the public as a generous and forgiving preacher or merely to make me uneasy, but the ultimate result was one I never expected and was just as shocking a turn to me as was winning that famous Supreme Court case: We became friends.

Mani
02-08-2008, 05:21 PM
Ron Paul is on the front page of Liberty University's website!

http://www.liberty.edu/

Mani
02-08-2008, 05:22 PM
Here's the school's article about his visit:

http://www.liberty.edu/libertyjournal/index.cfm?PID=15758&artid=87

Energy
02-08-2008, 05:30 PM
You know, I really thought that Falwell (Sr.) was completely, irrational, high-tempered, and full of fire and brimstone. "Ban Teletubbies," I mean, come on!

All of these things may be true about his public persona, but I really was moved by a memoriam written for him by none other than Larry Flynt (the publisher of Hustler Magazine) when he passed away. I may not have liked Falwell, but after reading this article, I respected him.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-flynt20may20,0,2751741.story

Larry Flynt: My friend, Jerry Falwell

How the pornographer found himself in the embrace of the reverend who sued him.
By Larry Flynt, LARRY FLYNT is the publisher of Hustler magazine and the author of "Sex, Lies and Politics."
May 20, 2007
THE FIRST TIME the Rev. Jerry Falwell put his hands on me, I was stunned. Not only had we been archenemies for 15 years, his beliefs and mine traveling in different solar systems, and not only had he sued me for $50 million (a case I lost repeatedly yet eventually won in the Supreme Court), but now he was hugging me in front of millions on the Larry King show.


Great piece. Though I wonder if Falwell wanted to be friends because he thought he can more easily sway Flint away from adult entertainment.

DAFTEK
02-08-2008, 06:48 PM
Obama had 18.5 Thousand in a seated stadium and another 3000+ outside looking at a jumbotroon today!

If this keeps up and the trend continues i can almost put a months paycheck that Obama will be elected if he goes against McWar

digiphaze
02-08-2008, 07:06 PM
Well I'd say that I could probably get an hour more sleep if Obama is elected rather than hitlary... Which would be none.

blakjak
02-08-2008, 07:10 PM
If this keeps up and the trend continues i can almost put a months paycheck that Obama will be elected if he goes against McWar

I'd put up a year's paycheck.