anti-mccain vets want to start a REVOLUTION in the GOP

[haaaylee]

They even are using the tea party idea, ha!




McCain's Presidential Ambitions Set To Be Swiftboated
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth member set to launch counter-offensive to reclaim Republican Party

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, February 8th, 2008


Remnants of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group that contributed to torpedoing John Kerry's presidential ambitions in 2004 are set to derail John McCain's hopes of becoming the Republican nominee by forcing the GOP to jettison the Senator and instigating a revolution within the party to return it to its conservative roots.

It was McCain himself that leapt to Kerry's defense during the Swift Boat controversy four years ago and now the individuals that started the offensive against Kerry are set to turn on McCain.

The campaign is being led by Sergeant Ted Sampley who has devoted much of his post-military career to campaigning for the safe return of lost POW's stranded behind enemy lines. He is Vice President of Rolling Thunder Motorcycle Rally Washington, D.C., which has no less than half a million active members.

Sampley also runs Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain organization, which has been instrumental in exposing the fact that McCain's status as a war hero and the claim that he was tortured in Vietnam is a complete fabrication, as well as highlighting the fact that McCain poses as a veteran's advocate yet abandons them on every turnkey issue.


"We are planning right now a counter-offensive called GOP Tea Party, and in the spirit of 1773 when the colonists rebelled against the King of England and tossed all that tea over, we're going to rebel against the Republican Party and toss McCain over," Sampley told the Alex Jones Show.

"We hope to start a revolution within the Republican Party to cleanse it of all the left-leaning Republicans and McCain is a leftist if you look at his major activity," he added, pointing out that McCain has direct links to the Clintons and would be no different than having Hillary in the White House.

Sampley said that the move would consist of convincing around 10 per cent of Republicans to sign a pledge promising that they would not vote for McCain, and re-establish the real conservative roots of the Republican Party.

"We were the first to open up on John Kerry and we took a lot of crap," said Sampley, "the same stuff's going to be thrown at us about McCain that was thrown at us about John Kerry," said Sampley.

"McCain is a deceiver, he is the great deceiver, you can't trust him," he added.

[itshappening]

the only chance would be to win delegates around for other candidates

[Brown Sapper]

Maybe we should give them a little help.

[acptulsa]

the only chance would be to win delegates around for other candidates

And that's exactly what we need to get to the brokered convention we've been preparing for. Perfect! These guys are doing just what we need. I'll see if I can come up with a link to them and post it if I do.

[billjarrett]

And that's exactly what we need to get to the brokered convention we've been preparing for. Perfect! These guys are doing just what we need. I'll see if I can come up with a link to them and post it if I do.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

I say we make friends with these guys also. Dunno if they are pro Paul or not, but we need all the anti-McCain we can get.

[virginiakid]

Yes, take over the GOP! I wonder what would happen if the delegates at the national or state conventions decided not to vote for the person who won the state? I wonder what would happen?

[fuzzybekool]

Just like the Revolution sought help from others in the fight for freedom from England, we should now seek to enlist others in our mutual cause.

[Esor]

I'm going to try and find some information on them and send them an email.

[Shed]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.

[Highstreet]

I wish they would hurry up, or get a moneyed sponsor.

There is also the "Missing, Presumed Dead" video that is out there. If this hit the MSM, McCain's run would be dead in the water.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xBiti-ZbeO0

[JanusFIN]

Here is Veteran speaking about "singing bird McCain" couple of days ago in Live Broadcast...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhhvaIXA9A&eurl

He is a Traitor. :mad:

[Esor]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.

Yes, the attack part I understand. The Revolution within the GOP? I urge them to come join us.

[ConstitutionGal]

Rolling Thunder chapters have already been sending this information out to their lists for several weeks now. I'm glad to see them taking it to the next level.

[acptulsa]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.

Grassroots, on the other hand, do much better in the dirt. I wouldn't particularly praise Sampley unless you're sure you're canvassing someone who approves of Kerry's demise and the swiftboat efforts along those lines. However, some stuff to use against McCain is just what the doctor ordered right now.

http://members.aol.com/lilsispam/sampley.htm

Also remember to point out that McCain's for gun control!

[slamhead]

A half a million motorcyclist and Ron Paul supporters sounds good to me....lets get with them!!!!

[sgrooms]

Someone write a good letter and I'll email it to Ted Sampley, to try and coordinate our efforts. With the money we can raise, and their organization already in place, we should easily be able to de-rail McCain.

[yongrel]

Prison Planet: reliability is our middle name. Of course, our first name is "Full of Bullshit." But who uses first names anymore?

[raystone]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.


Morally wrong ? Is it better to do nothing to prevent him from the presidency, and watch him bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, killing 100,000 civilians as collaratal damage. (as the U.S. did in Iraq)

[tamor]

How do we derail someone with so many delegates --- do the delegates have to vote for Mccain when they get to the convention?

[haaaylee]

Prison Planet: reliability is our middle name. Of course, our first name is "Full of Bullshit." But who uses first names anymore?

There is no need to do that,
This isn't exactly a conspiracy article.


But yeah, someone should write a letter. I would but i'm off to work in a bit.

[JanusFIN]

Success in revolution you need three basic element:

Support - You
Army - Veterans
The Man - Ron Paul

If you guys understand your momentum, now, against the "singing bird" witch could be a good name for this operation, there is a win in front of you.

Huckabee is just a priest in the way to battle.

[slamhead]

How do we derail someone with so many delegates --- do the delegates have to vote for Mccain when they get to the convention?

By making him unelectable in the upcoming primaries.

[acptulsa]

How do we derail someone with so many delegates --- do the delegates have to vote for Mccain when they get to the convention?

Yes, but not forever. After two or three rounds, when McLame gives up, etc. according to state rules/law, they are unbound. That's the magical point where the brokered convention begins! We have to reach that point!

[Esor]

Here is what I would have sent if the email didn't fail:

I recently read an article detailing the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's "revolution" within the GOP party and corresponding attacks on John McCain. I just wanted to take the time to wish the Swift Boat Vets luck. I am a grassroots volunteer for the Ron Paul campaign for presidency. We advocate small government, fiscal conservatism, and among many other things, veteran's rights. I am not here to spout about the campaign, but to take time offer every Swift Boat Veteran good luck and urge you to look, if you already haven't, into Dr. Paul.

We need to return the GOP party to its conservative roots. Every election, they move closer and closer to the liberal viewpoints. Eventually, this will destroy the Republican party and give way to unchallenged big government. I truly believe that we are fighting for the same cause. The word of your efforts are spreading within the grassroots supporters of Ron Paul and I am sure you will recieve many more e-mails such as this one. It is time to de-rail McCain and change the course of this Country.

Short, sweet... you could come up with something better.

[Join The Paul Side]

We have to get these guys on our team. They seem to have the nads to publicly fling poo at Juan McCain.

[JanusFIN]

Prison Planet: reliability is our middle name. Of course, our first name is "Full of Bullshit." But who uses first names anymore?

Alex Jones is your "Good Morning America!" He is the voice, he have the balls, he is your best quest and best voice! He can get the people to their momentum, he can make them believe, he is your man number 2!

[Avalon]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous. Attack ads are only morally wrong if they are untrue or intentionally deceptive. It's perfectly moral to highlight the worst things about a person.

[hillertexas]

there are some more ideas here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1218590

[acptulsa]

We have to get these guys on our team. They seem to have the nads to publicly fling poo at Juan McCain.

I don't think we need a public association with them. We don't want Dr. Paul painted as a mudslinger at this late date. These guys are controversial, and not everyone approves of them.

Besides, they are on our side. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[haaaylee]

Didn't Ron Paul put a bill in or something to try to open the POW files McCain had blocked?? Or to somehow look into POW? Someone look that up and mention it in a letter/email.

[sgrooms]

I just sent an email to Ted Sampley and Trevor Lyman, asking both of them to get both organizations to work together.

I think the cooperation of both groups could do a lot of damage to mccain.

I'll edit this post with their replies.

[sratiug]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.Bull, it's immoral to say nothing. Unjustified wars that kill hundreds of thousands of people are immoral.

[JeffersonAndLiberty]

As some others have said....I think their efforts are fantastic, especially when you read the details of what they allege. But tying our campaign, even the grassroots effort, to this would be very damaging. Imo, just let them do their work, and if you choose to support, ride with, or defend them, then I'd do it as a concerned American or conservative, but not as part of the campaign or even grassroots effort.... Again, jmo.

[RPinSEAZ]

http://www.gopteaparty.com/

gopteaparty@gmail.com

[grizzums]

Yes, the attack part I understand. The Revolution within the GOP? I urge them to come join us.

I agree. We should work to build a coalition with these folks as we certainly have a common goal... Return the GOP back to its roots bringing true conservatism back into the fray, by way of a revolution.

I have been an àdvocate for leaving this party that I have grown to despise even with my personal free market fiscal conservative philosophies but I am now leaning on plugging my nose, getting more involved in the party to work to change it. I still vow to NEVER çast a vote for one of these neocons, fake or even semi conservatives...NEVER again, but I will work within the framework of the party to out these traitors.

[haaaylee]

Ron Paul Cosponsors "Combat Veterans Debt Elimination Act"
Posted February 8th, 2008 by manystrom

(PressMediaWire) Washington, DC Feb. 06, 2008

Congressman Ron Paul has signed on as a cosponsor of legislation that would prohibit the Secretary of Veterans Affairs from collecting certain debts owed to the United States by members of the Armed Forces and veterans who die as a result of an injury incurred or aggravated on active duty in a combat zone.

If a service member dies in combat and has received Montgomery GI benefits, his or her surviving family members are required to repay those loans.

So far the VA has attempted to recover over $56,000 from the families of 22 deceased service members, with the bulk of the money owed in the form of college loans.

“This practice is an outrage and adds insult to injury to our fallen war heroes. They have given their lives in service to their country and they deserve better than this,” stated Congressman Paul.

[affa]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.

Untrue or misleading negative advertising is morally wrong.

But saying John Doe voted for A, when everybody hates A, is not immoral even though it could be construed as negative advertising.

[Deborah K]

A really juicy scandal might force the Pr&ck to drop out! Anything is possible.

[JanusFIN]

Quoted...

“This practice is an outrage and adds insult to injury to our fallen war heroes. They have given their lives in service to their country and they deserve better than this,”

Congressman Paul

Oh, I love this guy, but still not a gay!

[Jae0]

While I dont think we should make our association with these people well know....
And little side dealing doesnt sound to bad.
Theres a lot of them.

[RonPaulFTFW]

Wow.

just prop Dr. Paul up as their leader please!

[FreestarMediaDotCom]

This video will end McCain. Watch it. Spread it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBiti-ZbeO0

[Russellk30]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.

So let me get this straight. If a candidate has a past record that is not exactly peachy and advertising is conducted to inform the voting public of the past transgressions, some moral boundary has been overstepped?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for practicing what I think is right, but don’t fool yourself into thinking that politics will ever be played on a fair ground. Believe it or not, some humans are only interested in power, and the truth, however ugly it might be, should be used to offset such interests.

Besides, what are we going to do about it? Outlaw all negative campaigning ever? Limit free speech? Who exactly would enforce such an endeavor?

[Jae0]

Its not negative if its true, in my opinion.

[dblee]

these guys could be our greatest allies... people with memories of vietnam can't look fondly on an ongoing undeclared neverending war in iraq...

how can we contribute?

[sharedvoice]

US Marine Iraq War/Afghanistan vet here, strongly opposed to McCain.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1662/sd2novrprallygifrh0.png

bump!
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBiti-ZbeO0

[WilliamC]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.

Well let's not have Ron Paul endorse them eh?

As long as they are only telling the truth, what's immoral about their doing so?

Now if they are putting out false information that's wrong.

[sharedvoice]

Now if they are putting out false information that's wrong.

It's not false information. It's true. Regardless.

Why Did McCain Block Release of POW Info?

McCain's ace in the hole is the rock solid support his former POW status engenders from veterans. Why, then, did he single handedly block the release of MIA/POW records? In doing so, he thwarted a 401-0 vote in the House and left families of MIA's stunned. Why? A new documentary narrated by Ed Asner explores this question and reaches the apparently compelling conclusion that McCain's motivation was to suppress his own records. From this, they move to speculation about what is in those records. I can't speak to the veracity of that speculation because ... we don't have the records. Whatever conclusions we reach on the latter front, McCain should be compelled to squarely address his suppression of these records. For more background, here is a 2005 piece (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0523,schanberg,64705,6.html) in the Village Voice. [ht: I Perceive (http://iperceive.net/john-mccain-hanoi-collaborator/)]

[Jim_Karr]

Huck is going to higher Chuck to go get some POWs and bring them back as he done in his movie. LMFAO

[humanic]

Attack ads are only morally wrong if they are untrue or intentionally deceptive. It's perfectly moral to highlight the worst things about a person.

Agreed. However, some of the allegations made by SBVFT in 2004 were untrue and intentionally deceptive. All you have to do is tell the truth about McCain and people will see him for the scumbag that he is. Because SBVFT (now "Swift Vets and POWs For Truth") have already proven themselves in the eyes of many as more concerned with politics than truth, many people will be skeptical of their allegations, even if they are completely true. We need a better messenger.

Some of the other anti-McCain vets, such as Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/) , seem quite upfront and truthful. I think they'd make a much better messenger. Even they seem to repudiate the Swift Boat Vets distortions. There is a link on the right-hand side of their page "Submerging the truth about Swift Boat Vets."

Our revolution is a revolution of truth, and when the truth is on your side, there's no need for liars.

[sharedvoice]

Question for McCain:
With your long history of liberalism, why do you seek the Republican Party nomination?

John McCain (SongBird McCain) Traitor! (COMPELLING AUDIO LISTEN!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvXEsW4Fgg

FACT SHEET: Military record of John Sidney McCain III
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/mccain_post_card_word%5B1%5D.pdf

John "SongBird" McCain is Part of The Keating Five Scandel
http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/articles/0301mccainbio-chapter7.html

John McCain - Fit For Command?
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/4486

U.S. Sen. John McCain is no War Hero
http://www.namvets.com/Reading/john_mccain_is_no_war_hero.htm

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mccainpic.htm

Default McCain borrowed money from bank, used fundraising list as collateral!!!!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7837.html

Why Did McCain Block Release of POW Info?
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0523,schanberg,64705,6.html
http://iperceive.net/john-mccain-hanoi-collaborator/

How the Clintons will undo McCain
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=60020

McCain's Divorce
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm

"What happened to John McCain's first wife?"
http://askville.amazon.com/happened-John-McCain's-wife/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=7408966

VIDEO: John McCain in "Missing, Presumed Dead"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBiti-ZbeO0

Kennedy-McCain Amnesty Plan
http://www.newswithviews.com/Taft/john29.htm
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/1/25/131758.shtml

YouTube - John McCain- Weak on Immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs6wwg_ie6Y

Campaign Finance Reform: The Issue (McCain-Feingold)
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/campaignfinance/index.asp

McCain/Lieberman Gun Control
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/679560/posts

McCain Qoutes:

"Thank God for our form of government. The media won't let there be any cover-up." -- John McCain
"Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran..." -- John McCain

YouTube - McCain laughs, Sings Bomb Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I

"100 Years in Iraq would be fine by me." -- John McCain
"I'm not interested in trading with al Qaeda, all they want to trade is burkas. I don't want to travel with them, they like one-way tickets." -- John McCain

Senator McCain has hired a dual-nationality Mexican/American citizen (Juan Hernandez) to be his outreach coordinator to the Hispanic community. Juan Hernandez is the legalized version of a present-day Benedict Arnold!

McCain introduces bill to extend US health care to Mexico
http://www.digg.com/politics/McCain_introduced_bill_to_extend_US_health_care_to _Mexico

Vietnam Vet speaks of "Songbird" McCain
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/020708_never_tortured.htm

Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

US Documents pertaining to McCain’s COLLABORATIONS with the Communist
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_declassified_landing.htm

http://www.usvetdsp.com/gifs/mcaincuban.jpg

Google "Hanoi McCain"

[ArrestPoliticians]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.

Negative advertising is morally wrong? "Though shalt not commit adultery" is negative advertising against adulterers.

[haaaylee]

bump

[swifty_s]

And that's exactly what we need to get to the brokered convention we've been preparing for. Perfect! These guys are doing just what we need. I'll see if I can come up with a link to them and post it if I do.

This must go viral "Let the Rebellion Begin"

http://gopteaparty.com/

[liberteebell]

Wait a minute. Wtf is wrong with these people? There's been a r3VOLution going on for the past year. They got juan mc100war because they refused to look at the most conservative person they've ever had running in their party and now they're whining and talking about reforming the party?

Why don't they just get on board with us????????????????????????????????????????

Or am I missing something......

[Feelgood]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.

I can live with that. :)

[Feelgood]

This must go viral "Let the Rebellion Begin"

Good site, however the list of Neocon's link they have on the left side, bother me greatly. I was gonna sign their pledge, but even that link doesnt exist. Here is a partial list of the neocon's they have links to...

Sean Hannity
Rush Limbaugh
Numbers USA
Laura Ingraham
Glenn Beck

Very disturbing list.

[swifty_s]

My god "Hannity!" of all people, thats enough to make me stop and think a little harder, thank's for the wake up call.
Although I still think that having McCain in the spotlight will only hurt him and help usher in a brokered convention, did you hear the contrasting responses to his and RPs CPAC speeches

[freelance]

While such an attack by this group might be good for the Ron Paul campaign, negative advertising is morally wrong and politically hazardous.

Who cares? NAU is morally wrong. Amnesty is morally wrong. One hundred more years of war is morally wrong. Shall I continue? And, don't bother to give me, "two wrongs don't make a right." SCREW IT! Either this is a movement or it's not. Shall we submit to McCain, and keep the moral high ground, or shall we attack and have a fighting chance for our future.

Get your priorities straight.

[dawnbt]

Good site, however the list of Neocon's link they have on the left side, bother me greatly. I was gonna sign their pledge, but even that link doesnt exist. Here is a partial list of the neocon's they have links to...

Sean Hannity
Rush Limbaugh
Numbers USA
Laura Ingraham
Glenn Beck

Very disturbing list.

Remember all the above folks HATE McCain!

[sgrooms]

Just got a reply from Ted.


Sam,
A lot of our people are for Ron Paul. I'd love to see Paul supporters helping to run with this. It will work if we can all coalition to STOP McCain. We have the time.
The Tea Party web should be fully operational within 24 hours. We welcome the help.

Sincerely,
Ted Sampley

Please don't share this phone number. My cell: XXX-XXX-XXXX

[Thomas Paine]

We need to take out John McCain via a coordinated swiftboat attack. McCain is unfit to command a KP crew, much less this nation's armed forces.

[robert4rp08]

wtf are they waiting for?

[Revolution9]

Hahaha! I never, ever, never thought i would see the day where i was going to go Yay! Swiftboaters! Go get em!.. But here I am going Yay! Go get em Sarge! Our ragtag band of patriots is there to land a swiftboot or two to the scuffle and down this boys rubber duckie of a POTUS run.

Politics make strange bedfellows for sure. How amusing.

Best
Randy